You shouldn't be able to move in Passive Mode

[hesselgren]

a couple of days ago, i saw i guy with a bounty on a rooftop. i was in passive already in the hydra just fooling around. i had nothing to do really so i hovered around him for like 10 minutes just for fun, then i saw that he paused, so i turned of passive and killed him while he was paused. i felt like a total ass but it was so funny (for me)

 

cool story bro

[JulesDennis]

 

People who complain about Passive Mode are the people who get owned by people who know how to utilize it.

 

LOL. No. You know "how to utilize" passive mode? What a magnificent accomplishment! Step 1: Press the button that makes you invincible. Step 2: Do whatever you want (climb up on the roof with your enemy who had high ground on you; go get a Lazer; go get your tank - do whatever, the world is your oyster! Step 3: Turn off passive mode and kill that pesky enemy, preferably when his back is turned. Optional step 4: Turn passive back on ASAP so you don't have to suffer any unfortunate blowback.

 

If you're using passive mode to "own" people, you're a large part of what's wrong with this game. The only solution to aggro passive mode users, 9 times out of 10, is to go passive yourself, which is why it's a f*cked mechanic in a combat situation. It needs a tweak or two to stop people from using it this way.

 

 

Passive mode is there for another reason: to use IF YOU DONT WANT TO FIGHT..So there is nothing wrong with "passive mode" but with people who use it to score "cheap" kills.

 

Honestly the entire concept of calling in a tank should just be removed. Stuff like that should have to be stolen from military bases or have to cost way more than $200.

 

Finally we get to the point of the post(As many already pointed).This is not about "passive mode" but it is a "tank problem".And of course it shouldnt be because tanks are now easy to kill but...

 

Anyway if R**** did this to the tank then is has to be for all armoured cars/trucks plus jets,helis...So say bye bye to kurumas/insurgents/hydras for example..(That actually is not a bad idea IMO)

[Nutduster]

 

 

People who complain about Passive Mode are the people who get owned by people who know how to utilize it.

 

LOL. No. You know "how to utilize" passive mode? What a magnificent accomplishment! Step 1: Press the button that makes you invincible. Step 2: Do whatever you want (climb up on the roof with your enemy who had high ground on you; go get a Lazer; go get your tank - do whatever, the world is your oyster! Step 3: Turn off passive mode and kill that pesky enemy, preferably when his back is turned. Optional step 4: Turn passive back on ASAP so you don't have to suffer any unfortunate blowback.

 

If you're using passive mode to "own" people, you're a large part of what's wrong with this game. The only solution to aggro passive mode users, 9 times out of 10, is to go passive yourself, which is why it's a f*cked mechanic in a combat situation. It needs a tweak or two to stop people from using it this way.

 

 

Passive mode is there for another reason: to use IF YOU DONT WANT TO FIGHT..So there is nothing wrong with "passive mode" but with people who use it to score "cheap" kills.

 

 

I completely agree, except the part where you say there's nothing wrong with passive. What's wrong with it is that the game lets you use it to score cheap kills. They can and should tweak it to make that harder to do, if not impossible - while not interfering too much with people who use it just to go about their business.

[CraigSCFC]

Anyone that scores a cheap kill should have an instant bounty placed on them and be 'fined' $25k.

[JulesDennis]

 

 

 

People who complain about Passive Mode are the people who get owned by people who know how to utilize it.

 

LOL. No. You know "how to utilize" passive mode? What a magnificent accomplishment! Step 1: Press the button that makes you invincible. Step 2: Do whatever you want (climb up on the roof with your enemy who had high ground on you; go get a Lazer; go get your tank - do whatever, the world is your oyster! Step 3: Turn off passive mode and kill that pesky enemy, preferably when his back is turned. Optional step 4: Turn passive back on ASAP so you don't have to suffer any unfortunate blowback.

 

If you're using passive mode to "own" people, you're a large part of what's wrong with this game. The only solution to aggro passive mode users, 9 times out of 10, is to go passive yourself, which is why it's a f*cked mechanic in a combat situation. It needs a tweak or two to stop people from using it this way.

 

 

Passive mode is there for another reason: to use IF YOU DONT WANT TO FIGHT..So there is nothing wrong with "passive mode" but with people who use it to score "cheap" kills.

 

 

I completely agree, except the part where you say there's nothing wrong with passive. What's wrong with it is that the game lets you use it to score cheap kills. They can and should tweak it to make that harder to do, if not impossible - while not interfering too much with people who use it just to go about their business.

 

 

There are many things players use to get a cheap/easy kill in this game.Pv,jets,getting their character into walls or even roads,invisibility,god modes to name a few.

Still my point is that the problem is players and not "passive mode"..I had so many fights with people going into passive mode just to use it to kill me that I dont give a s*** anymore.Most times I go passive myself and follow them around until they leave the session or just stand there doing nothing until they feel safe to leave passive mode (why they think that I am not looking at them and that they will get a "cheap" kill I do not know) to kill them again....

[Nutduster]

 

There are many things players use to get a cheap/easy kill in this game.Pv,jets,getting their character into walls or even roads,invisibility,god modes to name a few.

Still my point is that the problem is players and not "passive mode"..I had so many fights with people going into passive mode just to use it to kill me that I dont give a s*** anymore.Most times I go passive myself and follow them around until they leave the session or just stand there doing nothing until they feel safe to leave passive mode (why they think that I am not looking at them and that they will get a "cheap" kill I do not know) to kill them again....

 

 

The problem may be the players, but the solution can be in the game. There have been multiple proposals that would nip this sh*t in the bud. One: a long cooldown (2+ minutes) after killing another player, before you can use passive mode. Two: a longer timer (20 seconds seems about right) after deactivating passive, where you are vulnerable but can't use weapons yet. Three: a longer cooldown (maybe 5 minutes) between uses of passive mode, to prevent people from ducking in and out of it while fighting. None of these would greatly affect people using it for its intended purpose; all of them would handcuff players from using it to further their griefing, or to score cheap kills in a cowardly way.

 

As for other methods of killing (jets, etc.) - none of the legitimate ones are as out of balance as misuse of passive, and the illegitimate ones (god mode, wall breaches) should be patched. I mean, it kind of sounds like you're arguing against improving the game and fixing its flaws, and I just don't understand that mentality. Just because the game has other problems doesn't mean R* shouldn't fix this one. They should fix ALL of them, if possible. It's a great game but far from perfect.

[JulesDennis]

 

 

There are many things players use to get a cheap/easy kill in this game.Pv,jets,getting their character into walls or even roads,invisibility,god modes to name a few.

Still my point is that the problem is players and not "passive mode"..I had so many fights with people going into passive mode just to use it to kill me that I dont give a s*** anymore.Most times I go passive myself and follow them around until they leave the session or just stand there doing nothing until they feel safe to leave passive mode (why they think that I am not looking at them and that they will get a "cheap" kill I do not know) to kill them again....

 

 

The problem may be the players, but the solution can be in the game. There have been multiple proposals that would nip this sh*t in the bud. One: a long cooldown (2+ minutes) after killing another player, before you can use passive mode. Two: a longer timer (20 seconds seems about right) after deactivating passive, where you are vulnerable but can't use weapons yet. Three: a longer cooldown (maybe 5 minutes) between uses of passive mode, to prevent people from ducking in and out of it while fighting. None of these would greatly affect people using it for its intended purpose; all of them would handcuff players from using it to further their griefing, or to score cheap kills in a cowardly way.

 

As for other methods of killing (jets, etc.) - none of the legitimate ones are as out of balance as misuse of passive, and the illegitimate ones (god mode, wall breaches) should be patched. I mean, it kind of sounds like you're arguing against improving the game and fixing its flaws, and I just don't understand that mentality. Just because the game has other problems doesn't mean R* shouldn't fix this one. They should fix ALL of them, if possible. It's a great game but far from perfect.

 

 

Like I said (and many others) the main problem the OP shared was:

"I got in a fight.

The other goes passive to get his tank.

Now he is killing me.

Need to change "passive mode" because he used it to get to his tank."

 

How players use various features of the game in their favor in order to get "cheap" kills is another matter.

If you ask me many things should change/fix.I agree with you.But it is not the OP issue...

I never use cheap tricks,OP jets,pvs,wall breaches and stuff so I dont mind if everything is fixed.(In fact I want them to get all fixed)

But I've learned (the hard way) how to deal with players that do use them.So "passive mode" tricks is not a problem for me...

And if you ask me wall breaches is way bigger issue than a guy going into "passive mode".Or the "legit" Zerdorno backwards driving...

There are "legit" ways to kill in this game that they are as "cheap" as you can get.

[Nutduster]

There are no legit killing methods in this game as cheap or difficult to counter as passive being used that way. It's at-will invincibility until you turn it off. Backwards Zentornos can be blown up; jets can be shot down. Also, you have to call for your Zentorno and get in it; you have to buy a Hydra, call it in and get it airborne; you have to steal a Lazer from the military base. Passive mode requires one thing - pressing a button. There's no comparison at all.

 

I agree with you about god mode and wall breaches, but those are bugs, pure and simple. That has no bearing here.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Nutduster

[JulesDennis]

There are no legit killing methods in this game as cheap or difficult to counter as passive being used that way. It's at-will invincibility until you turn it off. Backwards Zentornos can be blown up; jets can be shot down. Also, you have to call for your Zentorno and get in it; you have to buy a Hydra, call it in and get it airborne; you have to steal a Lazer from the military base. Passive mode requires one thing - pressing a button. There's no comparison at all.

 

I agree with you about god mode and wall breaches, but those are bugs, pure and simple. That has no bearing here.

 

 

You dont get my point.I really dont care about passive mode.It can be deleted from the game.

It is supposed to be used by players who either need protection from higher level griefers or as a way to just free roam without having to look behind them every 2 sec.

Lets erase the passive mode from the game.Or make it like last gen consoles.I dont mind/care.

The problem would remain:people using tricks or OP vec to get "easy-cheap" kills...

Either you learn how to deal with them or just cry about them all the time.

 

And let me tell you :if you are driving around and after 5 sec a guy with his hydra/lazer comes by (just after he calls Lester and hides his possition) just to shoot the explosives bullets on the area you are,killing everything (you included) there,is not as cheap or difficult to counter as passive I would stop writing about "legit" or "cheap" kills.

 

But the OP problem is the TANK...He cant fight back if someone is using a TANK...

Need to say it again?The passive guy did not use "passive mode" cheap kill trick...

Used it to get to the TANK.And then KILLED HIM..

PROBLEM=TANK

HOW TO SOLVE THIS:LEARN HOW TO FIGHT TANKS.

Passive mode tricks is another story.

Edited April 6, 2015 by JulesDennis

[deadx23]

this again, if i only could walk backwards on passive mode