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UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion Thread

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Clem Fandango

Anyone know where I can get some Saint George print toilet paper?

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Smith John

Next shelf to the hammer & sickle baby wipes. 

 

Although I must warn you, they've been in limited supply since 2016.

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Tchuck

Personally I can't wait for the Brexit to happen so I can say "I told you so" to leavers once their living situation invariably worsens. Same as I've been doing with dumbass Brazilians who supported the new president's neoliberalist policies and are now getting f*cked in the ass.

 

Also independent Scotland would be brilliant. Smash the union.

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executor404
1 hour ago, Tchuck said:

Personally I can't wait for the Brexit to happen so I can say "I told you so" to leavers once their living situation invariably worsens.

But maybe leaving the EU is exactly what prevents the UK from a bad living situiation.

 

Given the chances of an incoming economy crisis probably caused by the EU. Many signs point to this. Low interest rates, low bankruptcies and no bank earnings. The policies of the ECB only prolong it but it will make it worse in the end, the recession in Germany could be the accelerator.

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Raavi
1 minute ago, executor404 said:

Given the chances of an incoming economy crisis probably caused by the EU

Lmao.

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3 minutes ago, Raavi said:

Lmao.

Great argument. The EU is mainly an economic union only based on the euro. It is a currency without any countervalue and only exists because of the union. As far as I know the ECB is part of the EU and their money politics are one of the main factors why the crash will hit harder. Like I said, low interest rates only prolong it, but it will get worse. The problem is too deep to analyse in a simple forum post. The lines of arguments are hours long and and demand some knowledge. And english is not my main language, which makes it even harder.

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2 minutes ago, executor404 said:

Great argument. The EU is mainly an economic union only based on the euro. It is a currency without any countervalue and only exists because of the union. As far as I know the ECB is part of the EU and their money politics are one of the main factors why the crash will hit harder. Like I said, low interest rates only prolong it, but it will get worse. The problem is too deep to analyse in a simple forum post. The lines of arguments are hours long and and demand some knowledge. And english is not my main language, which makes it even harder.

The EU is a political and economical union based on the treaties. The euro is the currency used by a subset of EU member states that form a monetary union called the eurozone. The ECB is the central bank for the eurozone.  The "big bad EU" line of argumentation is just lazy.  

 

For the record, I disagree with the ECB policy under Draghi but have higher hopes for Lagarde. It also has to be born in mind that the EMU is still not completed, we are in the third and final phase.

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2 hours ago, executor404 said:

But maybe leaving the EU is exactly what prevents the UK from a bad living situiation.

 

Given the chances of an incoming economy crisis probably caused by the EU. Many signs point to this. Low interest rates, low bankruptcies and no bank earnings. The policies of the ECB only prolong it but it will make it worse in the end, the recession in Germany could be the accelerator.

Nope. Leaving the EU is only gonna make your living situation worse. It'll create complications where there were none. It would also give the EU literally all the bargaining chips in any future deals. You saw how they were with the brexit, right? Rejecting Britain's proposal time and time again. Now apply that to every single facet of trading. You guys are royally f*cked. Royally f*cked. Good luck getting good deals on anything.

 

And economic crisis caused by the EU? Seriously? Nah. The impending economic crisis in the UK will be caused by the UK itself and its departure from the EU. All the arguments pro-exit used by the brexiteers turned out to be bunk. Every single one of them. And you will pay the price for it.

 

Come on united Ireland and independent Scotland. The EU would welcome you with open arms.

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3 hours ago, Tchuck said:

Nope. Leaving the EU is only gonna make your living situation worse. It'll create complications where there were none. It would also give the EU literally all the bargaining chips in any future deals. You saw how they were with the brexit, right? Rejecting Britain's proposal time and time again. Now apply that to every single facet of trading. You guys are royally f*cked. Royally f*cked. Good luck getting good deals on anything.

 

And economic crisis caused by the EU? Seriously? Nah. The impending economic crisis in the UK will be caused by the UK itself and its departure from the EU. All the arguments pro-exit used by the brexiteers turned out to be bunk. Every single one of them. And you will pay the price for it.

 

Come on united Ireland and independent Scotland. The EU would welcome you with open arms.

 

Blaming it all on the EU and Labour is what allowed the Tories to romp home, with a campaign plan that basically stated, 'the public are dumb, let's manipulate that!'

The only winners from this are the Tories and their rich benefactors.  Their aim was always to create a 'Singapore Style economy' on the edge of Europe, which created a low tax playground for the mega-rich, while the employees and those in poverty get nothing but longer hours and fewer rights.  (They're already drooling at the thought of ripping up protections like the Human Rights Bill.)

 

As for the Independence of the rest of the UK, that's going to be difficult with such a majority in London cancelling out everything for parties like the SNP.  It could take time for such events to happen, but the devolved nations may well start to drift away in time.  If they do achieve Independence, they won't join the EU next day, it'll take time for that to happen, although they could match their economies and trading policies to enter the single market on day one.  They can then decide to either join the EU officially, or remain as they are from there.  (Let's not forget Gibraltar hasn't many options either, where they go could be a large indicator of what happens for the devolved nations as a whole.)

 

It's incredible to see how dumb the British public can be.....

 

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To give people an idea of the generation gap, the voting pattern of age groups has been compiled.  You can get an impression of the differences between 18-24 year olds and the over 65's :

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Ned Bingham

For He's a jolly good fellow

He's a jolly good fellow

He's a jolly good fellow

And every one pays the price

 

Now everything starts to get interesting.  As someone who hates his fellow man but wants to live the life of Reilly I'm not sure where my feelings lie.

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Grotti Vigilante

Quite the election, but cannot say I am the least bit surprised. Boris Johnson has the personality and media on his side which in itself would've been enough to win, but also because he was offering to get leaving the EU done with. The fact he had a withdrawal agreement on the table probably helped tremendously in his campaign, combined with Labour's plans being somewhat unrealistic. I mean no way on Earth could they have gotten what they wanted by taking an extra tenner off the top 5% of earners per week. Not ideal results, but not the least bit shocking. Despite having a lot of lies and misleading claims in their campaign, as well as seriously dodgy tactics, it's no surprise the Conservatives once again used the same rhetoric to win. I just hope Boris no longer has to appease the hard-right sect of his party to get his Brexit deal done with. I mean considering he's a known liar he might just do that.

 

I just hope at this point Labour realises that getting rid of Comrade Corbyn won't be enough. Labour must elect a new leader whose more centrist and more realistic as a choice. Talk of making it a female leader worries me because the people making an effort to make sure it's a female leader rather than just having a leader who happens to be a woman are usually on the same side of the spectrum as Corbyn. I don't want the next election to be another far-left politician who has the backing of the PC identity politics brigade and would rather we just had a credible leader, who may just happen to be a woman. Since they now have more female than Labour MPs, that might just be a credible prospect, I just hope the Cult of Corbynistas don't influence the choices too much. I would initially have suggested Hilary Benn, but I don't know too much about him or if he'd win. Probably still more credible than Corbyn though.

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I'm a Conservative party member in South London; all be it in a lousy Labour safe seat, I'm glad,  jubilant even; that my party won this general election with a majority to crush Jeremy Corbyn.

 

I'm singing this about Corbynism

 

 

Freedom beats Socialism (and when you're on the side of freedom, you're never wrong) and free market economy beats command economy - Christmas has come early this year.

 

I got a tax refund this year too; the cheque came the other day; I literally cashed my cheque for my tax refund and then went to vote Tory (in that order) and then woke up to learn the result.

What a good day.

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Boris Johnson said he'd look into scrapping the TV license, and I for one hope he does.

Would it hurt the BBC to sell ad' space instead of asking for a whole month's income of somebody on Universal Credit to pay for their TV license?

Either make those on benefits who can't afford it exempt or scrap it.

 

 

All the sad Labour/Corbynistas on TV today though, happy day, oh, happy day.

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Since a trade deal with the EU will be EU First and a trade deal with America will be America First; the days of UK First seem to have died in the 1970's/before my time.

So out of EU First or America First, I chose America First.

I want a free trade deal with America and a hard Brexit from the EU allowing UK to undercut the EU and compete with the EU and not be subject to the EU.

 

The EU are a bloc of former Fascists and Communists and Socialists, and America took our Magna Carta for their Bill of Rights hence the special relationship between UK and America.

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Uncle Sikee Atric
5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

The EU are a bloc of former Fascists and Communists and Socialists,

 

Congratulations on making the EU a truly multi-factional effort.  That's every political wing in one description!

(It's totally wrong as well, but let's not make the matters of reality hamper your descent into madness.)

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14 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

Congratulations on making the EU a truly multi-factional effort.  That's every political wing in one description!

(It's totally wrong as well, but let's not make the matters of reality hamper your descent into madness.)

Yeah, no, so?

 

You do realise countries in the former USSR now make up the Eastern Bloc in the EU, there's your former Communists, and what used to be Franco Spain or even Nazi Germany are also in the EU, there's your former Fascists; as for Socialists; look at Portugal and a huge, huge coalition of Socialist MEPs; there's your Socialists.

 

Why would anyone like the UK who doesn't depend on the EU to ward off the tyrants, want to be with these backward historical losers when we don't need the EU for our peace and prosperity?

 

The EU went wrong when they decided to compete with America and regard America as hostile. Good bye EU, hello Brexit and trade deals around the world.

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Uncle Sikee Atric
18 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Yeah, no, so?

Please state the nature of the medical emergency!

 

 

18 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You do realise countries in the former USSR now make up the Eastern Bloc in the EU, there's your former Communists,

 

I never knew the former Eastern Bloc states were present at the formation of the EU!  I always thought it came into being from the states of Western Europe during the 70's and 80's, long before the end of the cold war.

 

18 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

and that what used to be Franco Spain or even Nazi Germany are also in the EU, there's your former Fascists; as for Socialists; look at Portugal and huge, huge coalitions of MEPs.

 

So just because the history of nations means they include a few periods where extreme wing parties started pulling the strings, means that country is forever tarnished with that image....  Well that f*cks up Boris' and Trump's legacy because they're clearly into the extreme right wing, so you're in effect supporting Nazis today.

 

18 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why would anyone like the UK who doesn't depend on the EU to ward off the tyrants, want to be with those who do and need the EU for peace?

 

*Singing* "War, HUH, What is it good for?"

So the English Channel is the perfect barrier to prevent the filthy Europeans coming over here and taking our important jobs?  I'm guessing you'd be a brain surgeon, with your 2 GCSE's, if it wasn't for that pesky Polish neurosurgeon with 10 years of experience!

There's a tyrant in Number 10 today, and you're celebrating his appointment!  Given your previous comments I'm assuming you're not exactly banking millions, so you're about to find out what you've managed to achieve (Clue, you're going to suffer, but it'll always be easier to blame everyone else for your mistake).

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17 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

Please state the nature of the medical emergency!

 

 

 

I never knew the former Eastern Bloc states were present at the formation of the EU!  I always thought it came into being from the states of Western Europe during the 70's and 80's, long before the end of the cold war.

 

 

So just because the history of nations means they include a few periods where extreme wing parties started pulling the strings, means that country is forever tarnished with that image....  Well that f*cks up Boris' and Trump's legacy because they're clearly into the extreme right wing, so you're in effect supporting Nazis today.

 

 

*Singing* "War, HUH, What is it good for?"

So the English Channel is the perfect barrier to prevent the filthy Europeans coming over here and taking our important jobs?  I'm guessing you'd be a brain surgeon, with your 2 GCSE's, if it wasn't for that pesky Polish neurosurgeon with 10 years of experience!

There's a tyrant in Number 10 today, and you're celebrating his appointment!  Given you're previous comments I'm assuming you're not exactly banking millions, so you're about to find out what you've managed to achieve (Clue, you're going to suffer).

Boris Johnson won and Jeremy Corbyn's Momentum thugs are crying, how is that a tyrant who won a majority to govern?

You do realise a trade deal with the US will be trading with a like minded people? You do realise England was there for the formation of the United States and that they borrowed key things from us for their own country; things that make us close; as for France; Rights of the majority meaning state oppression against minorities like Romani Gypsies or Muslims are the way in France.

 

The EU is not a country, so their flag and anthem make a mockery of us like the Third Reich did in Nazi Germany.

Flags and anthems don't make a country, so the sooner we give the EU a run for their money, the better.

 

Also, France, #metoo was a lost concept to the French people and one person in France even suggested women like being raped...

Europe is a backwards mud puddle, and I should know, I've seen it.

 

Maybe after Brexit, we can hang a person again?

A life sentence in the UK means 12 years and all across the EU freedom of movement means ex-cons can live and work and migrate, no questions asked, no matter what crimes they've done - How is that justice?

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Uncle Sikee Atric
4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Boris Johnson won and Jeremy Corbyn's Momentum thugs are crying, how is that a tyrant who won a majority to govern?

The policy makes the legacy, not the politician.  He only backed Leave as a way to boost his own image, he never intended to win, just crawl to the top job via the sympathy vote.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You do realise a trade deal with the US will be trading with a like minded people? You do realise England was there for the formation of the United States and that they borrowed key things from us for their own country; things that make us close; as for France; Rights of the majority meaning state oppression against minorities like Romani Gypsies or Muslims are the way in France.

Building walls to prevent Mexican immigration, creating points-based Aussie immigration systems that tend to have the annoying side effect of causing holding camps, where the unwanted can be kept away from the public eye and swept under the carpet.  Yeah, you're sure creating the image of wanting to be with like minded people! 

There's close, as in 20 odd miles of Channel, versus close as in a few thousand miles of Atlantic Ocean.  I wonder which one will mange to accept time-sensitive goods the quicker, and cheaper?
 

 

10 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

The EU is not a country, so their flag and anthem make a mockery of us like the Third Reich did in Nazi Germany.

Flags and anthems don't make a country, so the sooner we give the EU a run for their money, the better.

 

The UN isn't a country either, but it has a flag and anthem.  The Champions League isn't a country, but it has a flag and anthem....  The International Olympic Committee isn't a country, but it has a flag....  You get the picture, but I mentioned that one because you used the word, 'run.'

 

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Also, France, #metoo was a lost concept to the French people and one person in France even suggested women like being raped...

 

Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson have also tweeted examples not a million miles from the one French case, but since they both supported Boris, it's handy to forget that fact, and label them heroes, isn't it?

 

14 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Europe is nothing special, just a backwards muddy field.

The UK will be having plenty of muddy fields shortly, mostly because the farming industry is about to collapse, especially in the higher regions that rely on livestock.

An interesting by-product of that is the fact the National Parks of the UK are also now under threat!  Until now they've relied on farmers to provide the maintainance and keep them looking pretty, but since they're generally in higher regions where arable farming isn't possible due to weather and ground conditions, there will soon be no one to keep them running on a day to day basis.

 

But let's not ignore the fact that if Europe is a muddy field, you've included the UK in that description as well, given the location of the British Isles and the continent they're attached to via the narrow sand bar that is currently under the English Channel.  But let's not get 20 odd miles in the way, huh?

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25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You do realise a trade deal with the US will be trading with a like minded people?

We're not like the US, nor should we aspire to be. Despite their reputation as a bastion of free enterprise, they're far less economically free than most of Western Europe

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

The EU is not a country, so their flag and anthem make a mockery of us

Holy non sequitur, Batman!

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Third Reich did in Nazi Germany.

It's only taken you about four posts to invoke Godwin's Law; nice going.

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

one person in France

Arguments from anecdote are always a bit sh*t; making a sweeping assessment on circa 500 million people living in 27 countries doesn't do anything other than make you look ignorant.

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Maybe after Brexit, we can hang a person again?

Why would we want to? 

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

A life sentence in the UK means 12 years

Actually, the average minimum term for a life sentence is 18 years. In fact, minimum terms for a life sentence are almost never under 15 years.

I really hope the whole of your local party aren't this deluded on the basic facts of our judicial system.

 

25 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

How is that justice?

If people have completed the sentence handed down at their conviction, then justice, by definition, has been served.

What's "just" about imposing further penalties on people who have already paid their debt to society?

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28 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Maybe after Brexit, we can hang a person again?

 

Counsel of Europe != European Union. It's a completely separate institution. The ECHR, well your transposition of it, the HRA 1998 will continue to apply post Brexit. Which specifically prohibits capital punishment. 

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Warnings aside for posting a meme highlighting the many things Momentum have in common with the Nazi Party...

I couldn't be happier of British Politics today rejecting a command economy and favouring freedom, as I state, if you're going side against freedom, you're on the losing side, as witnessed by the UK's vote in the Dec 2019 General Election handing Labour their worst result since 1935.

 

Good day to all of us indeed who believe freedom is right.

29 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

But let's not ignore the fact that if Europe is a muddy field, you've included the UK in that description as well, given the location of the British Isles and the continent they're attached to via the narrow sand bar that is currently under the English Channel.  But let's not get 20 odd miles in the way, huh?

Do we sit on our backsides in NATO expecting others to pay our way?

Do we bet on cow defication on a gridded field like Belguim's Waar schijt de koe?

Do we not have the rights of the minorities? (because that is rare in this world and UK has it and gave that to America).

UK is in Europe, but London, my native and home part of the union (United Kingdom union) where I reside, is not a backwards mud field being bet on for where a cow pats with a right of the majority for state oppression of a minority.

London, in case you forgot, is a world city. No muddy fields here and if push came to shove and the UK broke up, I'd push for London independence and don't think I won't. Make the border the M25 for all I care.

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Stop double posting. We have an edit button for a reason.

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1 minute ago, sivispacem said:

Stop double posting. We have an edit button for a reason.

Posts also get merged, how am I supposed to know when a reply gets merged or not?

Is there a clock or something?

 

Anyway, stop counting posts and start reading them - Why should the UK not be closer to the US (a like minded people) and be subject to the EU (a bunch of backward people in a mud field)?

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Came to this topic from page 80s, somewhere around this May. Apparently that was the last time I viewed it. Almost every single prediction made by the labour supporters since then was wrong lmao

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12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why should the UK not be closer to the US (a like minded people) and be subject to the EU (a bunch of backward people in a mud field)?

A trade deal of that size usually takes years to negotiate.  Suppose President Trump does not win re-election in November, what kind of trade deal could you then expect?

 

I am just saying, wouldn't it be safer to simply submit to the United States, and become a territory within their realm?  Or apply for statehood, but you know how slow that process can be.  At least as a territory, you can get rather close to the US market.  And with the new North American trade deal, Canada and Mexico too!

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23 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Anyway, stop counting posts and start reading them

I see you've got absolutely nothing to say about the glaring inaccuracies highlighted in your previous posts?

Perhaps you should heed your own advice here rather than posting rambling, contradictory diatribes?

 

23 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why should the UK not be closer to the US

It would be difficult for the UK to be much closer to the US as it currently stands, at least on a geopolitical level. It's called "the special relationship" for a reason.

Can you cite one single objective benefit to the UK realigning towards US markets and away from European ones?

 

23 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

(a bunch of backward people in a mud field)?

Ignoring the laughable chauvinism, exactly what about the UK- economically, culturally, politically, socially- do you have such a misguided sense of pride in?

Most of the rest of Northern Europe has us licked in every single metric you care to name- they're freer societies with wealthier, happier citizens, higher standards of living and far greater social cohesion than the UK.

 

52 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Do we sit on our backsides in NATO expecting others to pay our way?

Yes- we contribute basically the bare minimum to avoid drawing the ire of our US overloads, plus sling them a few long-term rented bases they can run forward operations out of next time they want to play toy soldiers in the Middle East.

 

52 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Do we bet on cow defication on a gridded field like Belguim's Waar schijt de koe?

Which is objectively so much more backwards than betting on which your dogs is going to rip a rabbit, badger or fox to pieces, isn't it?

 

52 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Do we not have the rights of the minorities?

We're miles behind most of Northern Europe on every issue to do with rights.

 

52 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

London, in case you forgot, is a world city.

As are, by most metrics, Munich, Amsterdam and Paris. 

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3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

...

 

We're miles behind most of Northern Europe on every issue to do with rights.

 

As are, by most metrics, Munich, Amsterdam and Paris. 

Can't even mow your lawn in Munich on a Sunday with a powered lawn mower because it's in a built up area.

Try wearing a burqa and getting a ride on a bus in Amsterdam or Paris, exactly what rights are we far behind in by miles here in London?

When you have majority rights then you get the state telling you what to do that it knows better than you and the rights of the majority is the right of the bulldozer over a migrant camp and refusal of a bus ride to a lady wearing her burqa; Crazy stuff happens when the right of the majority happens, that's why here in UK and indeed in America, we have the rights of the minority, protecting those from pitch fork & torch wielding angry mobs sponsored by the state.

 

Don't get me started on how many countries not too far away don't have freedom of speech.

UK has freedom of speech, so does America, and freedom of speech out weighs and is superior to freedom of expression which is the closest some countries get falling short of actually having freedom of speech.

 

And anyway, the Tories won a working majority, so, yaya.

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Grotti Vigilante
39 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Can't even mow your lawn in Munich on a Sunday with a powered lawn mower because it's in a built up area.

Try wearing a burqa and getting a ride on a bus in Amsterdam or Paris, exactly what rights are we far behind in by miles here in London?

When you have majority rights then you get the state telling you what to do that it knows better than you and the rights of the majority is the right of the bulldozer over a migrant camp and refusal of a bus ride to a lady wearing her burqa; Crazy stuff happens when the right of the majority happens, that's why here in UK and indeed in America, we have the rights of the minority, protecting those from pitch fork & torch wielding angry mobs sponsored by the state.

I don't understand the implications here. Are you saying that if the ethnic majorities have rights then the ethnic minorities are oppressed? 

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Don't get me started on how many countries not too far away don't have freedom of speech.

UK has freedom of speech, so does America, and freedom of speech out weighs and is superior to freedom of expression which is the closest some countries get falling short of actually having freedom of speech.

Many argue that the UK doesn't have true free speech because people the basic principle of such a right is not being prosecuted by the state. There are several cases, however, where people have been arrested for things said on Twitter, even if they were not aimed at anyone in particular, or even if they were just jokes. Let us not pretend that the US and UK are some kind of utopias even though there are places with better quality of life in the world, most especially northern Europe.

 

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