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BRITLAND

UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion Thread

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A J

Sense of humour is needed.

 

Farage is too scary for Cameron, so he needs the support of more wishy washy parties too afraid of stating a direct and honest policy in these tv debates. I'll be voting UKIP because Farage is straight to the point. Too bad his party is clueless in other ways though.

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Coin

I liked your post better when it was just 'S', to be honest.

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sivispacem

I don't see how Farage is "straight to the point". He has a propensity towards simply lying when the statistics don't support his argument. "The point", if you can call his desire to bankrupt the UK in some ill-advised nationalist witch-hunt a point, is sadly championed uber alles and appears to be ignorant of empirical reality. Sure, his supporters will come out and claim the statistics don't matter as much as defending the vague notion of "Britishness" from the invasive species that is "foreign influence" but I struggle to see how an impartial external observer would be swayed by that.

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Svip

I don't see how Farage is "straight to the point". He has a propensity towards simply lying when the statistics don't support his argument. "The point", if you can call his desire to bankrupt the UK in some ill-advised nationalist witch-hunt a point, is sadly championed uber alles and appears to be ignorant of empirical reality. Sure, his supporters will come out and claim the statistics don't matter as much as defending the vague notion of "Britishness" from the invasive species that is "foreign influence" but I struggle to see how an impartial external observer would be swayed by that.

 

Oh, if it was up to me, I'd make you all drive on the right and make you use km/h. Speaking as a foreign boogieman.

 

I'd also remove 'bland tea' from your shops and force you to pick between Earl Grey and English Breakfast, mwhahahaha!

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Mr. House

How long till UK becomes Islamic state ? Europe's a lost cause at this point, If anything the west should go in their now and strip them of everything, their traitors, plain and simple,

 

You couldn't pay me to go to Europe at this point, It's a cult society,

 

So what's my plan ? honestly the way I see it i'm going to wait things out a bit more here in Australia and when it becomes clear Australia has no hope of redemption im going to do what any sane person would do, Move to the states, Head to the bible belt get a gun licence, and hide out back woods strapped to the high heavens,

 

 

In all seriousness does anybody else think this way ? has anybody else came up with a plan because if you're one of these ''ignore it and the problem wont exist'' types, you're going to be in for a rude awaking soon enough !

 

to many people in the western world think it's racist to protect and defend ourselves that's why I've given up hope and came up with the ''hillbilly plan'' because honestly where else will be safe ? altleast in the states we can get guns

 

 

I'm just so we're clear im only half joking,

 

 

 

It's amazing how politics are different right there. Here in Brazil I will never vote for any conservative party/politician in my life. But the conservatives there seem to be less "evil" (it is an exagerated term I know). Here in Brazil conservatives are far-right people with absurd Ideas(Military dictatorship for example), and the worst thing is that they have been growing since 2013.

PS: I'm all for left wing (I'm a socialist myself).

So you think it's perfectly ok to be racist against white people ? good to know ! you think it's ok for brown men to rape white women !? because that's what leftist stand for !

 

they are all about hate, they want to punish peaceful people living peaceful lives and you support that ?

 

you support the rape culture in Sweden ?

 

 

you're are scum, how does committing violent acts against other race's because of stuff that happened in the past justified ? my girlfriend wasn't alive back than should she be raped too ????

 

think about what you're supporting ! wake up !

 

For some reason my view on the damage marijuana causes on the brain has severely changed.

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BRITLAND

David has got this one bagged and tagged. Out of all the candidates he is the only one who is making sense.

Most polls show Labour taking the lead between 1-5 %, I know it doesn't always translate to seats but they're a big party and consider the UKIP factor among votes, if UKIP weren't as popular as they are now the Tories would defo win but I'm afraid this year it's all up for grabs, and Cameron saying he may not show up for debates will scare voters away.

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am30

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

Farage is straight speaking and doesn't seem to go for meaningless soundbite, we keep the pound and we finally at long last might have a decent chance at getting some proper immigration controls - Australia seems to do this rather well, hopefully we get something similar. I see UKIP as a step back towards some form of Thatcherism, which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance rather than the nanny state giving everything on a plate to anyone who asks. In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

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Coin

"Australia seems to do this well"

 

No, we don't. Abbot's immigration policy can f*ck itself right off.

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Mr. House

Thatcherites are scum pigs

 

In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

L

M

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>mfw Thatcherite

>mfw opposes foreign interventionism

>mfw thinks Farage would be anti interventionist.

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Captain VXR

 

How long till UK becomes Islamic state ? Europe's a lost cause at this point, If anything the west should go in their now and strip them of everything, their traitors, plain and simple,

 

You couldn't pay me to go to Europe at this point, It's a cult society,

 

So what's my plan ? honestly the way I see it i'm going to wait things out a bit more here in Australia and when it becomes clear Australia has no hope of redemption im going to do what any sane person would do, Move to the states, Head to the bible belt get a gun licence, and hide out back woods strapped to the high heavens,

 

 

In all seriousness does anybody else think this way ? has anybody else came up with a plan because if you're one of these ''ignore it and the problem wont exist'' types, you're going to be in for a rude awaking soon enough !

 

to many people in the western world think it's racist to protect and defend ourselves that's why I've given up hope and came up with the ''hillbilly plan'' because honestly where else will be safe ? altleast in the states we can get guns

 

 

I'm just so we're clear im only half joking,

 

 

 

It's amazing how politics are different right there. Here in Brazil I will never vote for any conservative party/politician in my life. But the conservatives there seem to be less "evil" (it is an exagerated term I know). Here in Brazil conservatives are far-right people with absurd Ideas(Military dictatorship for example), and the worst thing is that they have been growing since 2013.

PS: I'm all for left wing (I'm a socialist myself).

So you think it's perfectly ok to be racist against white people ? good to know ! you think it's ok for brown men to rape white women !? because that's what leftist stand for !

 

they are all about hate, they want to punish peaceful people living peaceful lives and you support that ?

 

you support the rape culture in Sweden ?

 

 

you're are scum, how does committing violent acts against other race's because of stuff that happened in the past justified ? my girlfriend wasn't alive back than should she be raped too ????

 

think about what you're supporting ! wake up !

 

For some reason my view on the damage marijuana causes on the brain has severely changed.

 

One moron =/= all cannabis users.

 

Consider http://www.alternet.org/drugs/intelligent-people-are-more-likely-use-drugs-why

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am30

"Australia seems to do this well"

 

No, we don't. Abbot's immigration policy can f*ck itself right off.

 

I've had relatives emigrate there and it was pretty difficult for them to get in. They only got in as they could show that they'd be self reliant and would not need hand outs from the state.

 

 

Thatcherites are scum pigs

 

In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

L

M

F

A

O

 

>mfw Thatcherite

>mfw opposes foreign interventionism

>mfw thinks Farage would be anti interventionist.

 

Awesome reply, you've convinced me! You probably weren't even born during the Thatcher days so rely on the warped leftist media to misguide you.

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Svip

In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

Well, I guess 949 years too late is as good as any too start.

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Zook

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance

Hmm self-reliance is just a codeword for f*ck you you're on your own. There's really nothing wrong with helping people :^:

 

Thatcherism does not work! How can you be so blind.

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Captain VXR

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

Farage is straight speaking and doesn't seem to go for meaningless soundbite, we keep the pound and we finally at long last might have a decent chance at getting some proper immigration controls - Australia seems to do this rather well, hopefully we get something similar. I see UKIP as a step back towards some form of Thatcherism, which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance rather than the nanny state giving everything on a plate to anyone who asks. In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

Straight speaking like blaming motorway traffic on immigration? Like considering British people of full or partial foreign descent like me to be second class citizens? The UK has a permanent opt out on the Euro. As for the wonders of Thatcherite economics, try visiting any town in the Welsh valleys or northern England and asking the locals what Thatcher did to them. Isolationist foreign policies do not make sense from a security perspective as it also means we would be on our own in the event of a hostile threat. With increasing threat levels from Russia and extremist Islamists we need a more united international front based on mutual cooperation and protection. Australia was founded on uncontrolled mass immigration destroying the local culture, hardly the place I'd use for an example of 'sane' immigration policies.

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Zook

 

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

Farage is straight speaking and doesn't seem to go for meaningless soundbite, we keep the pound and we finally at long last might have a decent chance at getting some proper immigration controls - Australia seems to do this rather well, hopefully we get something similar. I see UKIP as a step back towards some form of Thatcherism, which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance rather than the nanny state giving everything on a plate to anyone who asks. In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

Isolationist foreign policies do not make sense from a security perspective

Isolationists are truly clueless. I also assume he wants us to be a large exporter and a powerful country with a place in the world. But the more we trade the more interests, and we need to exert power and intervene when these interests are threatened. We would be nothing as an isolated nation.

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Svip

Fog in channel! Europe cut off!

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Mr. House

It's almost as if I were making a joke, but it's certainly Ironic that you couldn't get that.

 

Awesome reply, you've convinced me! You probably weren't even born during the Thatcher days so rely on the warped leftist media to misguide you.

Nah I just have to rely on the gutted corpses of northern cities, mate.

 

The fact that you think the british media is leftist says more about your ability to think than it does mine, when the BBC is a liberal organisation and the largest private media company with 40 odd percent control is Rupert Murdoch.

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Mr. House

I may be a bit tired and hungover at the moment..... Fyi, no need to capitalise 'ironic'.

Mate I'll Capitalise Anything I Want. Until The Conservatives Make It Illegal That Is.

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Captain VXR

 

I may be a bit tired and hungover at the moment..... Fyi, no need to capitalise 'ironic'.

Mate I'll Capitalise Anything I Want. Until The Conservatives Make It Illegal That Is.

 

You've just changed my vote.

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Spaghetti Cat

 

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance

Hmm self-reliance is just a codeword for f*ck you you're on your own. There's really nothing wrong with helping people :^:

 

Thatcherism does not work! How can you be so blind.

 

Pardon this minor intrusion from a lowly American, but self-reliance doesn't mean the absence of charity. In-fact quite the opposite. You can choose which places your dollars (or pounds as it were) will go and if that's a good use of your monies. As opposed to a government mandated redistribution which among other things waists money in the bureaucracy.

 

I can't really comment on domestic issues, but Thatcher is regarded with helping bring down Communism, along with Reagan and Pope John Paul.

 

Just my view from across the way, carry on.

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Svip

I think Gorbachev did a lot more to 'bring down communism'.

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Mr. House

Thatcher is also regarded as obliterating public services, redividing a country and being a precursor to the neoliberal politics of the 90s. So, do you care to go back to your post and preface it with a point?

 

As opposed to a government mandated redistribution which among other things waists money in the bureaucracy.

Care to back that up with a fact?

 

Oh, of course not.

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GTA_stu

She single handedly wrekt more British job prospects than probably all the FILTHY FOREIGNERS combined. On the other hand she pwnd Argentina and restored British glory.

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Captain VXR

 

 

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance

Hmm self-reliance is just a codeword for f*ck you you're on your own. There's really nothing wrong with helping people :^:

 

Thatcherism does not work! How can you be so blind.

 

Pardon this minor intrusion from a lowly American, but self-reliance doesn't mean the absence of charity. In-fact quite the opposite. You can choose which places your dollars (or pounds as it were) will go and if that's a good use of your monies. As opposed to a government mandated redistribution which among other things waists money in the bureaucracy.

 

I can't really comment on domestic issues, but Thatcher is regarded with helping bring down Communism, along with Reagan and Pope John Paul.

 

Just my view from across the way, carry on.

 

I would argue that Lech Walesa and Vaclav Havel were more influential than Thatcher in bringing down communism.

 

Also, donating to charities does no necessarily mean the money will be spent wisely or efficiently. Government mandated redistribution amongst other things has made the Scandanavian countries some of the best economically in the world.

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Uncle Sikee Atric

 

 

UKIP for me, if I bother to vote.

 

Farage is straight speaking and doesn't seem to go for meaningless soundbite, we keep the pound and we finally at long last might have a decent chance at getting some proper immigration controls - Australia seems to do this rather well, hopefully we get something similar. I see UKIP as a step back towards some form of Thatcherism, which can only be a good thing given the emphasis on self reliance rather than the nanny state giving everything on a plate to anyone who asks. In fact, I'd be happy with a Government who would just stop interfering with foriegn nations in matters that do not concern the UK.

 

Isolationist foreign policies do not make sense from a security perspective

 

Isolationists are truly clueless. I also assume he wants us to be a large exporter and a powerful country with a place in the world. But the more we trade the more interests, and we need to exert power and intervene when these interests are threatened. We would be nothing as an isolated nation.

 

If you think there are too many foreign accents among the passengers on public transport, vote UKIP!

 

If you think women should be banned from wearing trousers, vote UKIP!

 

If you think isolationism is the perfect answer to an increasingly global world, in the same way as sticking your fingers in your ears and going, "la, la, la. I am not listening!" To your loved ones is the answer, vote UKIP!

 

If you think, letting a political leader that has about a third of his party membership drawn from BNP backgrounds be PM, vote UKIP!

 

If you think letting a party leader that has shown links to employing illegal immigrants as cleaners and should be tried in court for the offence, become PM, vote UKIP!

 

Generally, voting UKIP is a really bad idea....

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Svip

She single handedly wrekt more British job prospects than probably all the FILTHY FOREIGNERS combined. On the other hand she pwnd Argentina and restored British glory.

 

I'm pretty sure that 'glory' has all but died out now. John Major - whose name no one can remember - wasn't exactly the most exciting Prime Minister Britain has ever had.

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GTA_stu

Government mandated redistribution amonst other things has made the Scandanavian countries some of the best economically in the world.

 

Did wonders for the Soviet economy too, or so I'm told.

 

@Svip, ok, briefly restored British glory. Which is now at an all time low. Oh well, back to playing Victoria2 until Nige comes in and saves us. Toodles.

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Svip

 

Government mandated redistribution amonst other things has made the Scandanavian countries some of the best economically in the world.

 

Did wonders for the Soviet economy too, or so I'm told.

 

 

Our redistribution is appropriately limited. Scandinavian countries are not plan economies, the redistribution is limited to necessities, not production of goods. Sure we have regulations, but generally speaking a free market.

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Spaghetti Cat

Thatcher is also regarded as obliterating public services, redividing a country and being a precursor to the neoliberal politics of the 90s. So, do you care to go back to your post and preface it with a point?

 

As opposed to a government mandated redistribution which among other things waists money in the bureaucracy.

Care to back that up with a fact?

 

Oh, of course not.

 

No not really...perhaps you should go back and re-read what I wrote. I was only commenting on the view from OUTSIDE England about Mrs Thatcher. Sure she may be polarizing there, but there is another view that you might consider before a knee-jerk reaction.

 

Also, my comments were directed at post about self reliance, which the poster thought that would reduce charity. Not so said I. Self reliance means that YOU can direct where your money goes rather than the government. While I might not be up-to-date on on the English government, I can assure you that any bureaucracy waists money.

 

So while I might be an outsider with respect to this discussion, maybe you can be less confrontational when responding. Thanks.

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