UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion & DIY Home Improvement Thread

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I've only heard of Love Island because of Your Face Or Mine tends to have people from Love Island on as 'celebrities'...

BBC News made a big thing about the presenter's death;

 

But once the initial reports of the assault against her boyfriend had been released, at least the BBC didn't go all out to hound her personal life.  They understood and respected the pleas of her agent about her fragile mental condition (which I believe had led to the initial assault and why her boyfriend was standing by her, even though he couldn't contact her while the trial was pending).

 

The hounding and resulting suicide were caused by freelance paparazzi, looking for a cheap story and an easy sell to the paper rags that continued chucking dirt.

 

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I want a rebate on my TV license for it; I pay for the news, not Love Island news.

 

I does bring into sharp focus the issue of mental health though, as well as criticism of media outlets that continue to probe into issues and private lives where they really shouldn't.

 

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Actually, I pay because this country's not paradise and can still find a reason to mess with me.

 

Well, at least you know they're all out to get you.

[sivispacem]

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I pay for the news

If I paid for the news and still remained as ignorant as you I'd be looking for a refund.

[ilovebender.com]

3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

If I paid for the news and still remained as ignorant as you I'd be looking for a refund.

Say's someone stuck in the past.

Times change, literally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmAdJoj_ZPM

[sivispacem]

42 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Say's someone stuck in the past.

It's a funny notion of "stuck in the past" which has me informing the future direction of some of the biggest economic and political players out there. But then, I know not to trust the world view of uneducated construction labourers.

 

Remind me again, what have you done to benefit the standing of the UK, or, to paraphrase some of your political idols, "make Britain great"?

[Smith John]

1 hour ago, sivispacem said:

I know not to trust the world view of uneducated construction labourers.

I know man, the views of uneducated jail birds are of much more value to society than those dumb white van men!

[jpm1]

actually i think what ilovebender is trying to tell us it's that he wants a EU with the USA. because the Europe located 100 km from his coasts is not is race, lol. Europe being created by France, and Germany, he can't win the game anymore. in that Europe France wins. so he makes with his little buddies a little poo, so France doesn't win. i think this is it. I think he's right actually; i would have done the same. we have an expression here in France to say going make a poo, we say going to the throne. it's so good, so relaxing, who can resist to a big nice poo during an era of crisis

 

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by jpm1

[ilovebender.com]

34 minutes ago, jpm1 said:

actually i think what ilovebender is trying to tell us it's that he wants a EU with the USA.

Well... Something like that; but I don't think we should have freedom of movement; I'm pretty sure America doesn't want a bunch of people on the dole/welfare from the UK for one  thing; but to have a supply chain not rooted for an EU market would be nice; so I'm all for buying American if we ever signed a trade deal. I wonder what if anything America would ever want from the UK, that's not for me to say, that's up to America to decide what it wants of the UK and it's up to the UK to agree or not; but I wouldn't want a deal that blocks other deals, I also want to buy Japanese and EU; I'm looking at a price increase on WTO if worst comes to the worst, but when did trade deals turn into freedom of movement not to mention flags and identity; it's just a single market, not a country.

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because the Europe located 100 km from his coasts is not is race, lol.

Geo politics might push UK to undercut the EU for its own competitive survival.

It's either sign a deal with the EU, but the PM states a crux of Brexit in that divergence is coming otherwise, what would be the point of Brexit, and he's said he's willing to deal with the EU on WTO terms since he's seeking a Canada-style deal and the EU is treating the UK different based on being attached to the UK on the island of Ireland or 21 miles across the Channel. Let's not forget Eurostar that makes it up here to London from Paris (and beyond); if the EU insists on geo politics, then WTO with the EU is fine, doesn't mean WTO with someone else though, who's 3, 000 miles away or 6, 000 miles away.

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Europe being created by France, and Germany, he can't win the game anymore.

Then believe he's walking away on WTO, by he, I mean Bojo/Boris Johnson/Mr PM.

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in that Europe France wins.

UK's in Europe, EU is in Europe, EU isn't Europe; in the EU, France is big, in Europe, the EU is big, in the world, UK isn't big, but isn't in the EU, so what happens in the EU, doesn't really matter; We'd sooner trade WTO than Brexit for continuity. 

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so he makes with his little buddies a little poo, so France doesn't win. i think this is it. I think he's right actually; i would have done the same. we have an expression here in France to say going make a poo, we say going to the throne. it's so good, so relaxing, who can resist to a big nice poo during an era of crisis

 

In Belgium people bet on a field with a grid on where the cow pats. The name when translated into English is 'sh*t-yourself-rich'.

Europe is so scatological, you should see the devout EU followers sing Ode to Joy under Brussels rule of the unelected unaccountable 24 who control 500, 000, 000 people.

2 hours ago, sivispacem said:

It's a funny notion of "stuck in the past" which has me informing the future direction of some of the biggest economic and political players out there. But then, I know not to trust the world view of uneducated construction labourers.

 

Remind me again, what have you done to benefit the standing of the UK, or, to paraphrase some of your political idols, "make Britain great"?

Are you @IGLOO WHITE

Have you taken your medicine.

 

What hurts the most is that you assume I'm all 'Make Britain Great' when I'm all, Britain is Great, f' the EU' when the EU thinks it's better than America or Afghanistan etc. 

Why should EU have freedom of movement outside of the EU? Why can't we have a points based immigration?

Edited February 18, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

UK isn't big, but isn't in the EU, so what happens in the EU, doesn't really matter

Ah yes, the largest economic bloc on the planet doesn't matter because a labourer from Croydon says so.

 

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Europe is so scatological

Gentle reminder that getting shat on by a bird is considered good luck in the UK.

[ilovebender.com]

Just now, sivispacem said:

Ah yes, the largest economic bloc on the planet doesn't matter because a labourer from Croydon says so.

You talk like @IGLOO WHITE and he showed up when I stared pawning your A' on Jeremy Corbyn being racist.

Just now, sivispacem said:

Gentle reminder that getting shat on by a bird is considered good luck in the UK.

What? lol

[sivispacem]

16 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Are you @IGLOO WHITE

Fairly unlikely given my first action on returning to the forum after the birth of my child was banning him.

 

16 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Have you taken your medicine.

Is this a question or a statement?

 

16 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

when I'm all, Britain is Great

And what have you done to contribute to that greatness, pray tell?

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

he showed up when I stared pawning your A' on Jeremy Corbyn being racist.

What? lol

You've got me confused with someone else again. I don't recall making any comment at all on Labour and anti-Semitism.

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

What?

Yes.

[ilovebender.com]

9 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Fairly unlikely given my first action on returning to the forum after the birth of my child was banning him.

Sure Pal, whatever.

 

Is any of your life true?

 

Are you @IGLOO WHITE

 

Can someone pls run a IP address search on that guy and a list of suspects; I have my doubts.

 

I really have a hard time believing people in positions of power on internet communities.

Fair doo's if you're telling the truth, but, how do we know?

Your life is yours, I'm not asking you to proof your life, but I'm sure a fair and honest simple check of the log around here, if there's way to see all our IP address to flag up multi accounts or even... IP address anomalies from a tell tale sign of the use of a proxy like.... If @IGLOO WHITE's IP's country changes every time they switch account maybe, then that'll be a sign of a proxy and a secret double account by someone here - then that should be grounds enough to ban @IGLOO WHITE just to shut down this what I believe to be a double account / play thing / forum rule violation of one of you'se guys' dirty little secret. lol

Edited February 18, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Raavi]

Not even a congrats when the man said he just had a child?

 

You motherf*cker.

[sivispacem]

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Is any of your life true?

 

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

then that should be grounds enough to ban @IGLOO WHITE just to shut down this what I believe to be a double account

It's already banned...do you not listen?

 

And yes. Public VPN for access. IP addresses bouncing around all over the place. Not much more to go on, but I'm sure whoever it was will be up to similar tricks again.

[jpm1]

Congratulation man. really beautiful child

 

 

@ilovebender.com here ya go. the big bad French trying to dominate the Anglois. so your solution to solve a global geostrategical problem is nationalism. there's actually one thing interesting with our debate. the more i discuss with far rightists, the more mein kampft gets clearer, and understandable to me. i used to think Hitler was an idiot, but actually his comprehension of how the masses work was pretty good. it hurts to say it, but he understood that for the masses, the simpler, and the clearer are the images, the greater are the chances for the message to get caught. Don't take it as a personal offense, but in your world everything seems so simple, so clear

 

 

[ilovebender.com]

14 minutes ago, Raavi said:

Not even a congrats when the man said he just had a child?

 

You motherf*cker.

Not when I'm all

and that's the first I've heard lol.

11 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Awww, when it first loaded, I didn't know what to expect, and saw the top load first, and thought it was going to be a picture of a bald guy, but, awww.

5 minutes ago, jpm1 said:

 

 

 

@ilovebender.com here ya go. the big bad French trying to dominate the Anglois...

It's always race with you. lol

 

Earlier you called the Americans Anglo-Saxons and thought they'd come to our Anglo-Saxon rescue (or something lol); you do know it's not about race and there are many races in the UK in 2020.

Is your name Le Pen? Sorry, it's just, you keep going on about Anglo and Anglo-Saxon and stuff; what about Afro Carribean or Asian (etc) ? What about BAME people?

Edited February 18, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

Wait, your internet is slow enough that pictures load in pieces, like 1990s dial-up?

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

It's always race with you. lol

The French are a nationality, not a race. Ethnically they're the same as modern Britons.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

what about Afro Carribean or Asian (etc) ? What about BAME people?

How many of them do you think are pro-Brexit? Also, the "A" in "BAME" stands for "Asian" so your earlier mention is superfluous. And Afro-Caribbeans are handily covered off by the "B".

[ilovebender.com]

7 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Wait, your internet is slow enough that pictures load in pieces, like 1990s dial-up?

 

The French are a nationality, not a race. Ethnically they're the same as modern Britons.

British is a nationality, like French, like American, I feel I have to point this out to @jpm1 who talks about anglos and anglo-saxon and stuff and the ethnic white people like UK is a white country instead our patchwork heritage which means 'ethnically' we come in many backgrounds.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

British is a nationality, like French, like American, I feel I have to point this out to @jpm1 who talks about anglos and anglo-saxon

I think he's mocking the notion amongst Brexiteer types that modern Brits are somehow ethnically distinct from the European continent when we're actually mostly French.

 

The UK is 87% white, France is actually more ethnically diverse at only about 84%.

[ilovebender.com]

8 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

I think he's mocking the notion amongst Brexiteer types that modern Brits are somehow ethnically distinct from the European continent when we're actually mostly French.

You never met a black Brexiteer I take it.

I've met people in Thornton Heath who never knew what Brussels was in 2015; but I liked her anyway, and she was a born business woman.

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It's ironic whenever I saw a Pro EU rally that all of them were white and I wondered where they all came from or why nobody invited the black people.

You could have tired old stereotypes all you want, but even 'the nasty racist Brexit Party' bought some colour to the EU Parliament and that's one thing we should always be proud of about the UK, we care more about if you're rich or poor than if you're black or white. Stormzy and I are practically neighbours, and our Conservative MP hopeful never gets elected in this Labour stronghold is this black guy, and Stormzy says sh*t about how Boris Johnson's racist while supporting Jeremy Corbyn, someone who's been investigated for racism against the Jewish community; imo, Stormzy's like our Kanye West when Obama called Kanye West a Jackass. 

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Smith John]

>Just becomes a father

>Still makes time to argue on da webz 

 

That's some dedicated sheeeat!

[sivispacem]

15 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You never met a black Brexiteer I take it.

Oh I'm sure they exist, but Brexit support is almost entirely a White British phenomenon.

 

Ethnic minorities are significantly more likely to be remainers, which goes some way to explaining why the mist ethically diverse areas of the country tended to have the highest Remain vote, whereas those that are significantly less diverse generally showed the inverse (with some exceptions of course, like my current constituency which was a fairly large majority remain but ranks fairly lowly in ethnic diversity).

 

15 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You could have tired old stereotypes all you want

It's not a stereotype, it's fact. 

 

 

Pretty unequivocal.

 

8 minutes ago, Smith John said:

>Just becomes a father

>Still makes time to argue on da webz 

 

That's some dedicated sheeeat!

If you can't use your sleep deprived baby addled brain for something, then it's s waste of time being up. Granted I should probably be learning Vietnamese or something.

[ilovebender.com]

15 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Oh I'm sure they exist, but Brexit support is almost entirely a White British phenomenon.

 

Ethnic minorities are significantly more likely to be remainers, which goes some way to explaining why the mist ethically diverse areas of the country tended to have the highest Remain vote, whereas those that are significantly less diverse generally showed the inverse (with some exceptions of course, like my current constituency which was a fairly large majority remain but ranks fairly lowly in ethnic diversity).

 

It's not a stereotype, it's fact. 

 

 

Pretty unequivocal.

I know, I'm from South London, I voted remain, where I voted remain voted remain; I know.

 

So why were all the EU Remain Protester's white?

That's what I wanted to know; where did all the white people come from?

Never saw so many white people. I saw more people in Notting HIll Carnival still; so it was hardily a huge a remain protest, but still, a lot of white people, looked like they forgot to invite the black people; I even compared it to Notting Hill since it was around the same time.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/anti-brexit-protest-attracts-1-million-in-london-demanding-a-second-referendum

 

 

Meanwhile in Notting Hill right...

 

https://news.sky.com/story/notting-hill-carnival-almost-100-arrests-as-event-sees-record-heat-11794450

This more like the country I'm from tbh (not entirely, but, it's closer than the pro EU rally was by a long shot).

Crowded, diverse and not caring about the EU. This is a microcosm of it, and that Remainer EU rally, isn't a demographic my eyes are used to, hence I noticed it was all white people and I wondered where all the black people were.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

So why were all the EU Remain Protester's white?

So you're presented with a chart that categorically proves the statement I made correct, and your response is to ask me questions about an alleged remain protest that's only reference is your vauge recollection, and might be entirely fictitious? 

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

So you're presented with a chart that categorically proves the statement I made correct, and your response is to ask me questions about an alleged remain protest that's only reference is your vauge recollection, and might be entirely fictitious? 

I saw it live on the news, and was like

'where did all the white people come from?'

[sivispacem]

Unfortunately I don't think many ethnic minorities are in the comfortable financial position of being able to take random weekdays off to support Remain protests, such is the income disparity created by decades of institutional racism.

 

Conversely, Notting Hill Carnival is both a West Indian event in its heritage, and also occurs on a weekend.

[ilovebender.com]

13 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Unfortunately I don't think many ethnic minorities are in the comfortable financial position of being able to take random weekdays off to support Remain protests. Conversely, Notting Hill Carnival is both a West Indian event in it's heritage, and also a weekend.

The Pro EU Rally was on a Saturday and so what, both Notting Hill Carnival and that Pro EU Rally was open to all, but has it not occurred to you that only a small minority of people in the UK actually care about the EU that much to take to the streets to try and stop Brexit?

Why was that Pro EU Rally white? People haven't got time to care about the EU, that's the truth; unless they're a tired old Liberal who think they represent the country - if they did, where were all the Black people? Why did the Brexit Party have colour if @jpm1 analyse is accurate about Brexiteers?

People act like Black people aren't Brexiteers despite people of all colours not giving a ' about the EU except for a few White people, hence the Pro EU Rally being an eye opener wondering where all the White people came from - noticing that someone forgot to invite all the Black people. I saw it on TV, it was a sea of White people, don't see that in the UK in London at least.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

11 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

both Notting Hill Carnival and that Pro EU Rally was open to all

Difference is that one of them is explicitly a celebration of black culture.

 

11 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

only a small minority of people in the UK actually care about the EU that much to take to the streets to try and stop Brexit?

All estimates show that the various pro-Brexit rallies were significantly smaller than the anti-Brexit ones; what conclusion should be drawn from they fact?

 

11 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why was that Pro EU Rally white?

I'm not convinced it was particularly.

 

Remember, Britain is 87% white. Which is actually a more accurate demographic representation of the country; the pictures of the anti-Brexit match or the pictures of the West Indian cultural event?

[ilovebender.com]

43 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Difference is that one of them is explicitly a celebration of black culture.

 

All estimates show that the various pro-Brexit rallies were significantly smaller than the anti-Brexit ones; what conclusion should be drawn from they fact?

 

I'm not convinced it was particularly.

 

Remember, Britain is 87% white. Which is actually a more accurate demographic representation of the country; the pictures of the anti-Brexit match or the pictures of the West Indian cultural event?

I'm from Thornton Heath, that's in Croydon, in case you haven't heard, it's 'Blacker than Brixton' where I reside.

if it's not 'Immigration Street' - of course I'd notice something like a sea of White People 'coming out of the wood work/out of no where/suddenly taking to the streets of London' and compare when compared with Notting Hill identify with Notting Hill as better a reflection of UK today.

 

Truth be told, Thornton Heath Carnival is like a family friendly smaller version of Notting Hill.

Let's compare it to the "masses" who marched in support of the EU

 

 

 

Vs.

 

 

such a mighty march that's a reflection of modern UK (I say sarcastically).

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing this is an accurate representation of the UK today, instead, it really is a minority of people who wanted to stay in the EU.

 

Truth be told, to me, Notting Hill back there looks pretty White (Thornton Heath Carnival is just a local event around the corner in my part of Croydon that you love to put down), so again, you could tell right away I thought it was odd how the Pro EU Rally didn't have a single Black person and how even Notting Hill had a bigger turn out on the main day of (people regardless of colour I might add). 

More people went to Carnival than attended the Pro EU rally and when the UK had to vote in December 2019, the electorate spoke. - It's only a minority of people who wanted to stop Brexit, hence that's why not everybody was represented, because it's just a small minority as seen in the the Pro EU Rally that the EU tried to talk up and pretend it was the masses; if it was the masses, why were they all white, why didn't it look as crowded as Carnival if it was such a big rally?

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Why did the UK twice vote for Brexit if that's not what people want?

 

 

You seem to think Remainer's speak for the country, but they don't even look like a reflection of the country and there's clearly more people out enjoying themselves than worry about Brexit.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I'm from Thornton Heath

That's kinda irrelevant though, isn't it? Your particular area of residence has exactly zero relevance to the statistically demographics of the country. Well not exactly zero, but as close to zero that it might as well be

 

7 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why did the UK twice vote for Brexit if that's not what people want?

It didn't.

[ilovebender.com]

34 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

That's kinda irrelevant though, isn't it? Your particular area of residence has exactly zero relevance to the statistically demographics of the country. Well not exactly zero, but as close to zero that it might as well be

I'm not saying Thornton Heath is a reflection of the UK, but I am saying it's my UK and Notting Hill is a better representation of the UK than either EU Rally where the White People came to protest or Thornton Heath/where I'm from. 

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It didn't.

So the General Election in Deceber 2019 wasn't about Brexit, it was about Corbynism,?

Are you saying people lent Tories their votes not to get Brexit done, but because they couldn't support Jeremy Corbyn?

TBH, either scenario resulted in the best result in a  generation - which I might add gave the PM his majority and now here we are, 2 months later and out of the EU since 3 weeks ago after 3 years of nothing.

 

People in the UK aren't all Anglo-Saxon, neither are people in  America but since @jpm1 only from the EU, he probably knows no better than the EU lies that millions in London marched in favour of the EU when it was a few thousand at most.

I'm from London, I know what millions of people look like and as for the UK, I know a sea of white people looks odd and black and white people together like Notting Hill and the millions going out enjoying themselves is a much better reflection of the UK today.

 

Face it, people who want the UK to join the EU are the minority.

That's why their marches aren't so crowded, that's why they don't reflect the country today; that's why people voted for Brexit - if the Pro EU Rally represented the country, I think we'd still be in the EU, but we're not and it's hardily a representation of the country, I just found it odd that they were all white wondering where all the white people came from, personally - being used to the country and London the way it is, that EU Rally looked so white, and I'd hardily say millions attended.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ilovebender.com