UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion & DIY Home Improvement Thread

[ilovebender.com]

8 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Presumably you mean I don't see how it is like imperialism? No, I don't, because I understand the definition of imperialism, unlike you.

Oh pray tell.

 What is your definition of imperialism? I'm not really talking about Brexit and a British Empire, I'm talking about Brexit and a UK being a free country once out of the European Union style of imperialism that's on the way out that you're all in favour for - if we're free to become a vassal state to America, as I say, America First is a better fit than EU First.

What do you think it is in this day and age, 'modern imperialism'?

It could be democratic as well as taken by force.

Mother Russia ceased the Crimea from the Ukraine by force, democracies in Europe signed up to treaties to create The European Union of self appointed un accountable chamber on a term period being shuffled from one post to another without public scrutiny imposing its will on a house that only gets to rubber stamp legislature instead of introducing it.  

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He can have that when it's on the statute books- IE when it's actually law. Seems a bit stupid to give people credit for legislation that's not even passed yet.

 

Laws should be controlled and bad laws should be changed. The people who control the law are probably in Westminster anyway, but the people who determine trade aren't. They're until Brexit, telling us what shape a banana is until killing that silly notion to demand cookies when I browse the internet.

The UK can be f'cked up - I heard of internet pr0n bans being proposed by Tories who fornicated with pigs in Eton, the preppiest of the preppiest schools in this country where every other prime minister with a penis has been, warring on tax avoidance, then when the story broke about this incident with this pig f'cking back in the good ol' days at Eton, the whistle blower turned up fighting for his life in a hospital due to 'natural causes' of a mysterious illness. I would have linked you this, but the yoke of oppression strikes again.

 

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Laws, can be broken by civil servants to do the dirty work of those who make the law.

Also, trade matters, it matters a lot, so Brexit is a bad idea for trade, but, EU isn't the world, UK's sold arms to Saudi Arabia and Turkey so, you know, EU doesn't matter as much as trade, and as for Brexit, there's a Chinese Word that springs to mind.

https://translate.google.com/?rlz=1C1GGRV_enGB812GB812&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#en/zh-CN/crisitunity

feck the EU! America First, yay!

 

 

 

 

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Speak for yourself, where I live is positively delightful. Then again, our violent crime rate is 1/20th of that of yours so...

 

I speak for those who are forced to pay for Doctor Who under threat of imprisonment (no lie).

I speak for the THC that is still criminal in its possession meaning for drugs and knife crimes when CBD is now legal, THC isn't. London could give Amsterdam some relief from red eyed tourists if THC was legalised for recreational use for residents and visitors.

I see many reasons not to call the UK paradise when I look outside of my London bubble. I see greatness across the UK too, it's not like I hate the place or the British aren't my countrymen and women. It's not like UK hasn't created protections we should all be proud of such say rights of minorities be they ethnic or sexual orientation or creed or whatever - but, it's hardily paradise, I mean, c'mon!

We can change certain things, legalise this, stop forcing that, make a money pot on the Thames perhaps for the world to wash theirs in, IDK, but, UK could be paradise with some minor changes, imo.

 

8 hours ago, sivispacem said:

 

Firstly, it's not really "down the road"; it's further away (over 5 miles)

Dude...

To me, f'cking Westminster's down the road; sh*t...

 

lol.

Brixton from Brigstock Road; is either out through Melfort Road or up Green Lane, turn right, up through Stretham on London Road when you reach London Road (A23) passing the common (Streatham Common) on the right and the ice rink on the left, through the high street passing St. Leonard's Church (where to get to Tooting, Balham, Clapham etc 'Wansdworth is, turn left there)... but straight on, up the high street (going to Brixton) as it turns into (still the same road from London Road, the A23 but now going by another name) Stretham Hill which leads up to Brixton Hill which takes you down to Brixton. You could also turn left here for Clapham and Vauxhall or right for Camberwell and Peckham. 

Myatts Field is deeper in past the Brixton Academy, Brixton Academy's by the skate park there, past that on the right is Myatts Field. After that it starts to become Vassal which is towards Kennington and the Oval, I know Myatts Field South. IDK Angell Town.

I know an estate here and an estate there when it comes to London, and I also don't know/don't like to go to an estate here and an estate there. I know one in Brixton though, that I like. I don't know Angell Town though, (to me) Angell Town's just that level of crazy and rough that makes me fearful (that step too far for me and I'm probably not wanting to be there if I'm there or looking to get out quick kind of situation, like, ideally before everybody wakes up or I get myself noticed if I get lucky and find myself there from a night out). That's me and Angell Town, that's me and Atlee Close in Thornton Heath too, if I'm honest with you. Angell Town and Atlee Close, now those places are kinda rough/scary, the rest of the scary looking estates are mostly harmless, but those two (Angell Town and Atlee Close), are ones where I am on high alert looking over my shoulder, just because I have local knowledge.

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[Pesos]

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Because it's Black, right?

 

All you Liberals are the same, racist, intolerant, and prejudiced.

If you're not hating on a black neighbourhood, you're hating on a blue political party; if you're not hating on the British, you're hating on America, and @Pesos if you do move to America, don't you see that detention centre waiting for you if you make it through the jungle and across Mexico?

No, it's because it's a depressing sh*te hole. And ethnicity has nothing to do with it because your house is the worst looking one on your street by far.

 

The detention centre angle doesn't really work, cos you're an uneducated construction worker who has to strip on the side to make ends meet. You have little to no societal value, lol.

[ilovebender.com]

3 hours ago, Pesos said:

No, it's because it's a depressing sh*te hole...

It's livelier than Belgium, but then, so was a refugee camp in Calais, in France, that was livlier than Belgium, I swear to God, the first time I went (to Belgium, no lie, 2015), I stepped off the bus and they just fertilized the place and damn, I went back to the bus that was heading to a weekender in Amsterdam from London. New country, had a look, had a smell even, damn, (Belgium literally smelt horrible that day) went back to the bus, first time in my life going and that's what I did.

I believe they have fun though in Belgium, just competition pipe smoking and the kinda crap you'd find in butt f''k no where. I don't hate them and they've done nothing to me, but, that/Belgium actually smelt like a sh*t hole, and it was depressing because it was dull. Looked nice, I guess, but, I wouldn't want to live there. Then again, if people in Europe are anything like people in Britain, they'd probably enjoy a 'polite way to say being a freak/marital aid in the cupboard' with our crazy European ways, so you get horny Europeans and horny Brits are no exception to this, but what else is there to do?

Should I move to Belgium?

(I mean, I speak English, I'm a musician, they might love me)... I might do a 'Beatles' and be a talented Brit on the continent, have my cake and eat it too, use my freedom of movement, work in Brussels or somewhere, and pass the time with guitar, while enjoying Brexit for UK, I'd be living in the EU a British citizen; if we can work out freedom of movement freedom Brexit. If not, screw the EU, it's a political tyranny that uses money to control. Instead of bombs, they issue sanctions and withhold funds, and being in the EU isn't free, countries need these funds perhaps to also stay in the EU so they're coerced into submission for fear of having their livelihood, their funds from richer countries in the EU (Germany, UK, France) taken away. - In my opinion, that's a practice that the UN or someone should outlaw to allow an EU country to scrutinise the EU without the fear of going hungry - f' the EU. America First.

The EU is full of countries willingly doing what it wants to, and Scotland.

The EU is a tyranny that's signed into for the money and the line of credit. The EU'd stop you from selling to them as a form of protectionism.

UK's one country, it entered as one, it's leaving as one, if it's here in a 100 years, I'd be surprised, but I doubt I'd be here in 100 years (very much).

 

 

3 hours ago, Pesos said:

 

 

The detention centre angle doesn't really work, cos you're an uneducated construction worker who has to strip on the side to make ends meet. You have little to no societal value, lol.

Spoken like a Nazi.

I bet race has nothing to do with it but ideology does huh.

What values do you hold sneering at an uneducated stripper?

How do you define value? Is it a class system you deem you're better than being all middle class or high earner but then being so liberal you claim to be looking out for the little guy?

Exactly what paid for your education?

Edited January 14, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Tchuck]

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

Spoken like a Nazi.

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

For those who actually know what they are talking about, namely @sivispacem, Britain will keep the same trade deals until the end of 2020 at least, right? Extendable up to 2022 if Britain asks for it. If nothing is agreed upon before then, Britain will revert to using basic WTO deals to negotiate with Europe, yes? How long you reckon it will take before business sort of go "back to normal" under these WTO deals? How likely do you think it is that Britain will accept a deal with the EU before the end of the period?

[ilovebender.com]

55 minutes ago, Tchuck said:

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

For those who actually know what they are talking about, namely @sivispacem, Britain will keep the same trade deals until the end of 2020 at least, right? Extendable up to 2022 if Britain asks for it. If nothing is agreed upon before then, Britain will revert to using basic WTO deals to negotiate with Europe, yes? How long you reckon it will take before business sort of go "back to normal" under these WTO deals? How likely do you think it is that Britain will accept a deal with the EU before the end of the period?

Did UK sell arms to Turkey or Saudi Arabia under WTO?

Or when UK sold arms to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, because of UK's EU status, was that the EU selling these arms to Turkey and Saudi Arabia under WTO when UK sold arms to Turkey and Saudi Arabia under WTO?'

Well, whatever case, EU isn't the world and UK's probably sold to places under WTO terms and conditions before.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/11/turkey-fighter-jet-project-britain

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-uk-trade-yemen-war-crimes-a9073836.html

 

UK should work on other trade deals around the world before seeing what can be done with the EU once the EU works out what business it can do with a UK perhaps not using EU regulation.

We might have a closer relationship with the United States so the EU might want to rethink what, if anything, it would like a deal with Brexit Britain over; so I don't think Britain should be quick to accept a deal with the EU without exploring the world now Britain's back on the market.

Edited January 14, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Tchuck]

23 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

UK should work on other trade deals around the world

What makes you think they aren't? You are aware that the EU is the largest trading partner of the UK, right? You can't just replace your largest trading partner overnight. Or over a year. Or over a decade. Specially since, you know, the rest of the world doesn't want what Britain is exporting, for myriad factors. Not to mention that importing the stuff that the UK imports from the EU, from other nations, will carry on a lot more expenses and issues. But then, what would you know about business? Maybe I'll make a youtube video so that you finally get it.

 

24 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

once the EU works out what business it can do with a UK perhaps not using EU regulation.

That's not how this works, bucko. EU regulation will not change to accommodate the UK. Not by a longshot. It could change when the UK was there and had the power to influence, and it won't change since the UK is the lesser partner in this trading deal. They have little to offer. EU holds the cards. I don't know why you think UK will have the power to change anything.

 

26 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We might have a closer relationship with the United States

Lol. Literally nothing that has happened so far has shown this to even remotely be the case. Least of all when you have an election which could put in a new president and shift US' interests again. America doesn't need what the UK is exporting. And UK will pay through the nose for inferior quality in most things coming from America. But you're the one that wouldn't mind maggots and rat turds in your food.

 

28 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

so I don't think Britain should be quick to accept a deal with the EU without exploring the world now Britain's back on the market.

Newsflash: Britain was always in the market. It could always have negotiated with other countries besides the EU ones. Do you want to know why they didn't? EU ones were way more profitable, had better quality of goods, better prices, better regulated. You seem to have this idea that Britain's economy was being held hostage by the EU, being forbidden from trading with anyone else, and now they finally can! Freedom! Independence Day!

 

Your comprehension of global economy, trading, politics et al is amusing.

[ilovebender.com]

23 minutes ago, Tchuck said:

What makes you think they aren't? You are aware that the EU is the largest trading partner of the UK, right? You can't just replace your largest trading partner overnight. Or over a year. Or over a decade. Specially since, you know, the rest of the world doesn't want what Britain is exporting, for myriad factors. Not to mention that importing the stuff that the UK imports from the EU, from other nations, will carry on a lot more expenses and issues. But then, what would you know about business? Maybe I'll make a youtube video so that you finally get it.

Anti British inflammatory b/s, why wouldn't the world still buy British? UK sells things countries are buying all over the world. UK's in the EU so the EU can't be our largest trading partner you idiot because we're technically EU.

 

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That's not how this works, bucko. EU regulation will not change to accommodate the UK. Not by a longshot.

Who said that it would?

UK however could very well be changing to accommodate somebody else.

If the EU wants to do business with us then, that's entirely up to them, but if they want a deal with Brexit Britain, they can have one, I'm just not sure it could be a close partnership deal the EU want.

 

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It could change when the UK was there and had the power to influence, and it won't change since the UK is the lesser partner in this trading deal. They have little to offer. EU holds the cards. I don't know why you think UK will have the power to change anything.

The EU isn't holding cards over the world. And so what if UK's in the EU or not, UK can still trade on WTO with the EU. UK does trade, you do know this right?

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Lol. Literally nothing that has happened so far has shown this to even remotely be the case. Least of all when you have an election which could put in a new president and shift US' interests again. America doesn't need what the UK is exporting. And UK will pay through the nose for inferior quality in most things coming from America. But you're the one that wouldn't mind maggots and rat turds in your food.

Anti American bashing with your anti British bashing, I guess the EU scare mongering has reached Japan.

If paying through the nose for imported goods from the US because UK's in the EU, then if UK had a customs union with the US than any import duties will disappear meaning the UK won't be paying through the nose to buy American you idiot @Tchuck

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Newsflash: Britain was always in the market. It could always have negotiated with other countries besides the EU ones.

 

 

I know it is you f''ktard, what else do you think I've been explaining to you? lol!

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 Do you want to know why they didn't? EU ones were way more profitable, had better quality of goods, better prices, better regulated. You seem to have this idea that Britain's economy was being held hostage by the EU, being forbidden from trading with anyone else, and now they finally can! Freedom! Independence Day!

 

Your comprehension of global economy, trading, politics et al is amusing.

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

8 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Oh pray tell.

 What is your definition of imperialism?

The definition of imperialism. A policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization and use of military force. Compare and contrast.

 

All this rambling about "modern imperialism" in the context of the EU is nonsense, because the defining characteristic of imperialism is that it's foist upon its victims, whereas membership of the EU is voluntary.

 

So your analogy doesn't work.

 

8 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

The European Union of self appointed un accountable chamber on a term period being shuffled from one post to another without public scrutiny imposing its will on a house that only gets to rubber stamp legislature instead of introducing it.  

I see you're still getting this totally factually wrong despite being corrected multiple times. Your views would probably be better respected if they were coherent and based in fact, y'know.

 

8 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Laws should be controlled and bad laws should be changed. 

When you miss the point this badly you end up sounding like one of those AI chatbots rather than a real person.

 

8 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I see many reasons not to call the UK paradise when I look outside of my London bubble.

I see plenty within that bubble too, including plenty that afflicts is which doesn't really exist outside of London. You're just blinded by your obsession with the capital and unable to see it.

 

8 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

To me, f'cking Westminster's down the road; sh*t...

Whatever makes you feel better about living in the UK's murder and rape capital, I suppose.

 

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

How do you define value? 

Take your pick from economic, social and cultural contributions. Either way, you're the bottom of the pile.

[Pesos]

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Spoken like a Nazi.

I bet race has nothing to do with it but ideology does huh.

What values do you hold sneering at an uneducated stripper?

How do you define value? Is it a class system you deem you're better than being all middle class or high earner but then being so liberal you claim to be looking out for the little guy?

Exactly what paid for your education?

I was talking value strictly in the purview of how the American immigration system works, as you brought up the border hopping nonsense. When it comes to their preference system, you fall into the least preferable category. You're the least valuable, by far, to the US in other words.

[sivispacem]

There's no stronger indicator of someone being completely devoid of arguments and worthwhile contributions than their descent into labelling any detractor regardless of actual views a "Nazi".

 

It's the intellectual equivalent of sh*tting in the sandpit.

[Tchuck]

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Anti British inflammatory b/s, why wouldn't the world still buy British? UK sells things countries are buying all over the world. UK's in the EU so the EU can't be our largest trading partner you idiot because we're technically EU.

Dumbass, if you are trading with EU countries, you are trading with the EU you absolute dolt. Here, 157 billion pounds of UK's exports go to EU countries; Germany, Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland. All part of EU agreements. That's literally a third of your exports going to EU countries, under EU regulations, you absolute retard. You stop trading with them, who is gonna absord a third of your exports? No-one else. You wanna continue trading with them? You'll have to abide by their regulations.  

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Who said that it would?

UK however could very well be changing to accommodate somebody else.

If the EU wants to do business with us then, that's entirely up to them, but if they want a deal with Brexit Britain, they can have one, I'm just not sure it could be a close partnership deal the EU want.

You did? That was one of the points of Brexit; to be able to negotiate the way that was favourable to the UK, and to not have to abide by the "crushing regulations" imposed by Nazi Germany EU. Britain will now have to swallow EU regulations whole, or lose a third of their export partners.

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

The EU isn't holding cards over the world. And so what if UK's in the EU or not, UK can still trade on WTO with the EU. UK does trade, you do know this right?

The EU holds cards over negotiating with EU members. You wanna impose sh*tty regulations on the EU? You can't. Jesus christ you are absolutely dense. 

 

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Anti American bashing with your anti British bashing, I guess the EU scare mongering has reached Japan.

Aahahahahha. Excuse me for comprehending reality and not needing to lie to myself to escape the fact that I live in a sh*thole and need to strip for a living since I lack any form of qualification. 

 

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

then if UK had a customs union with the US than any import duties will disappear meaning the UK won't be paying through the nose to buy American you idiot @Tchuck

I highlight the important bit, again showing that you live in a fantasy land. IF it was beneficial to the US, you would have it. IF it's more beneficial for them to tax you, they will.

 

Reply when you stop living in fantasy land and want to deal in reality.

[ilovebender.com]

10 hours ago, Tchuck said:

 

 

I highlight the important bit, again showing that you live in a fantasy land. IF it was beneficial to the US, you would have it. IF it's more beneficial for them to tax you, they will.

 

Reply when you stop living in fantasy land and want to deal in reality.

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to the US to give the EU a run for its money?

If the UK became a vassal state in Europe for the US, then wouldn't that be worth the time giving the EU a headache and US a foot  in Europe since the EU aims to compete with US and China?

 

 

14 hours ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

Take your pick from economic, social and cultural contributions. Either way, you're the bottom of the pile.

So rich people are better than poor people and high earners are better than low earners and educated people are better than uneducated people? You're an idiot.

You don't even understand tax avoidance and you probably had a silver spoon that gave you any gap year or education.

Who paid for your education? Unless you're that guy in Yorkshire who used to work a bread factory?

Then you're just mad London's getting all the money for some reason wanting to change things.

 

Brexit, like it not, will always trump a Remainer/hater of democracy; you don't like it but there's something to be loved about  your so called unwashed masses common folk holding the keys to your future because this country's like that outside of the London Bubble and I or where I voted didn't vote Brexit so could stand up and actually preach Remain like Scotland does if I wanted to, and I bet you voted Remain but lost the vote because you're in a sh*thole that voted Brexit.

 

I wonder if you're a Remainer in a Brexit voting backwater who hasn't cottoned on to the EU not being the world yet? Either way, you're a sycophant to the EU who time and time again no matter what the EU does, can see the EU as doing nothing wrong and the rest of the world as disgusting and backwards.

This fantasy and hider or EU history has all but turned you against UK and US; your friends and countrymen. The EU has poisoned your mind.

 

Why aren't Americans drinking maggots if its probably got maggots in it?

Do you think every carton of OJ has maggots?

You should give your parents back their tuition fee.

There's probably a word in German for being educated by idiots.

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[make total destroy]

imagine taking issue with the notion that rich people are better than poor people but then going and voting for the tories lol

[ilovebender.com]

27 minutes ago, make total destroy said:

imagine taking issue with the notion that rich people are better than poor people but then going and voting for the tories lol

Dude, in the UK, I became a Tory after Jeremy Corbyn pissed me off the second time.

It became so terrible in the UK, it was join the Tories to fend off Jeremy Corbyn who was coming off like Hitler or Maduro with his extreme left.

 

It was a combination of Labour failures and Tory promises of global Britain.

Labour failed me as a Remainer in my native London by occupying Parliament Square for their own means.

No politcal leader should ever mess with your personal plans and shut up your voice to voice a genuine concern 'such as Brexit  was to me back when I was still a Remainer when the vote actually happened and I got scared of the future this country was heading in'.

but Jeremy Corbyn did; that was 'strike one'.

Then in summer 2017, he decided to mess up London again by working with trade unions to create disruption which made me late for work which in my uneducated line of blue collar job, runs the very real risk of losing it, and after a long grueling day at work, made late waiting feeling left stranded in getting home and my train a nightmare when I saw one; I even raised this issue with the trade union that took industrial action who were sympathetic but useless and then my last resort, my MP, who was wasteful and playing a silly little blame game while being useless blaming the Tory government for Corbyn's hold on the RMT union (for some reason, saying it was the government's fault for not caving into his demands)... So I became a Tory when Labour were annoying and useless.

Summer 2017.

I must confess I got more political AFTER I became a Tory and it was after I joined the Tories that I even heard of Momentum. I've heard of Owen Jones and I've heard of Jeremy Corbyn, not heard of Momentum though; I wasn't really tuned in like that, but as soon as I heard of Momentum; which I regarded as unwashed thugs who are anti Semites and anti capitalists calling each other 'Comrade' supporting someone blindly who supports Maduro and supported Chavez.

It became clear to me it was either, be a Tory or be a Nazi, so I still feel like I've backed the right horse given I joined when Momentum were acting up on London.

8 hours ago, Tchuck said:

 That's literally a third of your exports going to EU countries, under EU regulations...

Did you know the world's biggest single market isn't the most valuable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets

Also, I still believe in America having a foot in Europe over the EU having a say in the UK to work against America any day (driving up the costs of being closer to America, who does the EU think they are)?!; and since  I seem to be getting my way on that one, fingers crossed eh?

 

EU out, America in I say, yay London! (What's happening with the NFL, are we still getting that here)? Great culture.

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[sivispacem]

2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

So rich people are better than poor people and high earners are better than low earners and educated people are better than uneducated people?

Not at all. I'm talking broadly about societal contribution, not personal economic prosperity. People who go beyond simply fulfilling their social contracts and actually work to positively contribute to society.

 

Not a concept you're familiar with, despite all your claims of pride for, and affinity with, the nation you call home. Pretty rubbish nationalist if you ask me, but then again most are.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

You don't even understand tax avoidance

> Single-handedly ran a VAT registered limited company for two years, including doing all my accounting myself.

> Gets lectured on "tax avoidance" by a builder-cum-stripper that routinely confuses it with tax evasion.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

you probably had a silver spoon that gave you any gap year

I never took a gap year. I certainly also never got handouts. Unlike you, it would seems- given you've claimed to be living rent-free in the family home.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Who paid for your education?

I think you'll find that was me.

 

Whilst I took out a student loan to cover the costs of my undergraduate degree, I'd paid back the full balance of loan and maintenance within 10 years of completing my studies- and then some, in fact, as I overpaid my loan to the tune of about three grand and haven't got round to claiming it back yet. 

 

I paid for my postgraduate out if my own pocket. Work has paid for all my professional qualifications, though.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I bet you voted Remain but lost the vote because you're in a sh*thole that voted Brexit.

I wouldn't bet if I were you, especially not that, given that I've already told you my constituency was strongly Remain.

 

As I've said before, whilst I don't think Brexit was the right decision, it's not going to be substantively economically harmful to me or my family. It's poor said like you with whom my sympathies lie; you're basically grist for the mill of whatever comes next.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I wonder if you're a Remainer in a Brexit voting backwater 

Well wonder no longer, as I'm not.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

This fantasy and hider or EU history has all but turned you against UK

My net contribution to the safety, security, strategic position, economic prosperity, cultural standing and social cohesion of this country on an average Tuesday outweighs the sum contribution of your entire miserable life. 

 

I've done more to make this country great than you could hope to achieve in your wildest dreams. Because you're a charlatan and a chickenhawk.

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Do you think every carton of OJ has maggots?

I think you have me confused with somebody else.

[Tchuck]

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to the US to give the EU a run for its money?

No, it will be more beneficial to the US to exploit a Britain desperately in need of trade. US regulations are worse than EU ones in many aspects. If EU nations refuse certain exports from Britain, Britain will have no choice but to accept whatever terms the next best nation offers. 

 

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

If the UK became a vassal state in Europe for the US, then wouldn't that be worth the time giving the EU a headache and US a foot  in Europe since the EU aims to compete with US and China?

Again, fantasy land. What the hell you on about vassal state? Or are you suggesting every nation in the EU is a vassal state to... Germany? Belgium? Again, your lack of knowledge in trading, economy, politics etc is showing.

 

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Did you know the world's biggest single market isn't the most valuable?

No sh*t sherlock. But the EU is the closest to you, and it is the one that currently receives a third of your exports. Or are you suggesting US and China and whoever else will simply change to accommodate Britain? 

 

4 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Also, I still believe in America having a foot in Europe over the EU having a say in the UK to work against America any day

What the hell you are on about? You are aware that EU nations already do trade with the US, right? 

What is this idea of EU having a say in the UK to work against America? What the hell kind of delusion is this? The EU barely had any say in the UK, but you don't know how the EU works. Being in the EU allowed the UK to have a say in the EU. Now it doesn't. Now the EU will decide things by itself, and the UK will have to suck it up. I know you have some dream of daddy US coming up and rescuing the UK from the nazi EU, but this is beyond even the realms of fiction. 

 

Get a grasp of how the EU works first before you bitch about it.

[ilovebender.com]

51 minutes ago, Tchuck said:

No, it will be more beneficial to the US to exploit a Britain desperately in need of trade. US regulations are worse than EU ones in many aspects. If EU nations refuse certain exports from Britain, Britain will have no choice but to accept whatever terms the next best nation offers. 

Which is fine by me, no deal Brexit. If the EU doesn't want a Canada style deal with UK further down the road, that's on the EU.

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Or are you suggesting every nation in the EU is a vassal state to... Germany? Belgium? Again, your lack of knowledge in trading, economy, politics etc is showing.

France, IDK, Ireland, yes, Greece, f' yes, Poland, Hungary, I'm going to say yes again.

It's hard to say if every country is since Germany is one and France enjoy a position of power in this bloc.

 

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No sh*t sherlock. But the EU is the closest to you, and it is the one that currently receives a third of your exports. Or are you suggesting US and China and whoever else will simply change to accommodate Britain? 

Well, let's get closer to America then, increase shipping across the Atlantic I say, and I'm saying UK changes to accommodate America as a sign of Brexit. Why should anyone change to accommodate the UK when the UK is the one going through the change?

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What the hell you are on about? You are aware that EU nations already do trade with the US, right? 

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What is this idea of EU having a say in the UK to work against America?

I can't import into London from America (or else where in the world outside of the EU) without paying to import to the EU.

They set the import duty, fine, but then they set the regulation to work against America, who are like our "Besties" in the UK/our best friends.

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What the hell kind of delusion is this? The EU barely had any say in the UK, but you don't know how the EU works. Being in the EU allowed the UK to have a say in the EU. 

And leaving the EU means they can say what they want and it shouldn't have any bearing with me trading with the rest of the world.

 

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Now it doesn't. Now the EU will decide things by itself, and the UK will have to suck it up.

Or find somebody else to trade with.

Do you even understand the basic theory of no deal Brexit trading with Australia and America?

Don't you even understand the basic theory of no deal WTO?

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I know you have some dream of daddy US coming up and rescuing the UK from the nazi EU, but this is beyond even the realms of fiction. 

Who knows what'll happen in the future?

 

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Get a grasp of how the EU works first before you bitch about it.

Or, Brexit.

Why now weeks before departing the EU, would anyone want to grasp its red tape and regulation?

It's full of weak countries when Germany and France look strong by comparison, a united front all well and good, but not a democracy I'd want to be in with their hostile regulations.

Edited January 15, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

6 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Well, let's get closer to America then, increase shipping across the Atlantic I say, and I'm saying UK changes to accommodate America as a sign of Brexit. 

You still haven't provided an answer in how you propose perishable and short lifespan goods, or those needed for JIT manufacturing or engineering, are imported to the UK. 

 

6 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why should anyone change to accommodate the UK when the UK is the one going through the change?

Yes why indeed would you expect this if the EU, pray tell?

 

6 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

They set the import duty, fine, but then they set the regulation to work against America, who are like our "Besties" in the UK

Perhaps "besties" to you, but I think you'll find that most people look more favourably upon EU countries than the do the US; especially the US right now.

 

6 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Or find somebody else to trade with.

If only it were that easy. You seem to entirely underappreciate the complexities in establishing trade deals even with close ideological partners.

 

On the subject of vassal states, Brexit has made this a certainty for Britain. The great irony is that we've got from being the premier strategic power in the largest economic bloc on the globe to a third-tier priority even amongst our closest friends.

[ilovebender.com]

3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Perhaps "besties" to you, but I think you'll find that most people look more favourably upon EU countries than the do the US; especially the US right now.

To our government, to our country, and to our people.

That's who America are "besties" to.

 

Most people look favorably to America than they do the EU, you seem to forget the ties America and UK people have.

Like Brazil & Japan, France & Germany, we have UK & USA.

Just because a few people might have ties to countries in Europe, doesn't mean more people look more favorably to EU countries.

Look how many people in the UK have family and friends in America.

Look how many Americans say they have links to the UK.

There's probably even some people in America who think London's in America.

If you ever go to America, you'd see British brands being sold right from when you pull out of the airport to when you make it where you're staying; from Harry Potter to Jaguar to Reebok to quaint English shops selling British imports for all the British expats we have out there.

 

Edited January 15, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Tchuck]

37 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

If you ever go to America, you'd see British brands being sold right from when you pull out of the airport to when you make it where you're staying; from Harry Potter to Jaguar to Reebok to quaint English shops selling British imports for all the British expats we have out there.

You'll also see Japanese, Italian, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Chinese brands by the cartload. Does that mean that America is now besties with everyone? lol. This is such a pathetic and ignorant reading of geopolitics.

 

Guess what, if we go by import volume, America imports 10 times more Chinese goods than UK ones. 6 times more Canadian and Mexican than UK ones. 2 times more Japanese and German than UK ones. I guess they are all better friends to America than the UK, eh?

 

I've been to America. On Three occasions. I've visited Washington (both the state and DC), Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, and New York. I've seen a lot more Chinese, German, French goods than UK ones. sh*t you wanna talk besties? Look no further than Mexico or Canada, which receive 81% and 76% of their imports from America.

 

Again, your notion of trading and geopolitics is laughable.

[sivispacem]

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

Most people look favorably to America than they do the EU

Yeah, this isn't actually true, though. The US falls far behind the likes of Europe (50%) with a 29% "importance" ranking to the British public. Less than 1 in 5 aspire for the UK to be substantively more like the US (19%). The number of Brits thinking that the UK and US have a special relationship has declined from 80% to 57% between 1992 and 2016.

 

Only 50% of Britons held a favourable view of the US in 2018 (the last year we have data for), compared to 69% in 2009. Interestingly, 68% of Britons held positive views towards the EU the same year.

 

 

So the EU is, in fact, viewed more positively than the US by the British people.

 

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

Look how many people in the UK have family and friends in America.

Compare that number with those who have direct links to other EU countries and you'll notice it's quite small.

 

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

If you ever go to America, you'd see British brands being sold 

Britain exports only a fraction of the value of many other nations to the US.

 

Moreover, Jaguar aren't British-  they're actually Indian now given they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Tata Motors LTD. 

 

Also, Reebok are German owned (a subsidiary of Adidas) and their physical corporate presence has been in the US for a while now. So they're also not British.

[Tchuck]

It's incredible that two of the three brands he chose to use as an example aren't even British anymore, lol. Shows how much he knows about Britain.

[Smith John]

17 hours ago, make total destroy said:

imagine taking issue with the notion that rich people are better than poor people but then going and voting for the tories lol

At this point in clown world, the Tories are more pro-working class than the Labour loons currently at the helm of the party. Crazy, innit chap! Tories are still cunts tho, but, well.

 

And forgive my arrogance, but I remember a few regular participants on this forum predicting Nigel Farage would fade away into the abyss prior to the 2015 GE. How'd that work out for you. So, I'm not sure I can take anything said by the remainers in here seriously. I do try, though.

[Guest]

His party won 0 seats in the 2019 general election.    

 

[Smith John]

You might want to learn a thing or two about tactical standing, and then you'll understand why Labour and the Lib Dems were annihilated to make sure Brexit gets delivered.

 

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

23 minutes ago, Smith John said:

You might want to learn a thing or two about tactical standing, and then you'll understand why Labour and the Lib Dems were annihilated to make sure Brexit gets delivered.

 

Tactical standing means bull.  Farage's BXP still got zero seats at the 2019 election, even though he only stood down in Tory held seats from the 2017 election.

The best thing about the 2019 election is, the Brexiters have got no one else to blame anymore.  So when all the predictions appear, prove to be true (already the inflation figures have slumped to 1.3%, so recession may be not far behind), and reality bites, all the Rejoiners and the EU have to do is grab some popcorn and watch the UK burn!   Brexiters are still not going to agree what they won, instead they're going to turn on each other, especially the leaders that got them to where they are now.

Brexit got delivered only in spirit, that's why the Blonde Boy Blunder is so keen to shut the Government Department.  The word may disappear from the records, but Brexit is going to drag on all this decade, at the minimum.

[Smith John]

11 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

but Brexit is going to drag on all this decade, at the minimum.

Not so sure; the remainers dragged this out for 3 and half years already, and last month's election result was a pretty blatant reflection of the leavers at it all being delayed, and delayed, and delayed, and...

 

And, again:

3 hours ago, Smith John said:

And forgive my arrogance, but I remember a few regular participants on this forum predicting Nigel Farage would fade away into the abyss prior to the 2015 GE. How'd that work out for you. So, I'm not sure I can take anything said by the remainers in here seriously. I do try, though.

So yeah, your predictions mean precisely dick to me.

Edited January 15, 2020 by Smith John

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

1 minute ago, Smith John said:

Not so sure; the remainers dragged this out for 3 and half years already, and last month's election result was a pretty blatant reflection of the leavers' at it all being delayed, and delayed, and delayed, and...

And there you go again, blaming someone else, proving the point that you can't bear to look in a mirror because your reflection finds you guilty.

Farage took 20 years of constant bitching about the EU before Cameron finally shut him up with that referendum, by 2030 he'll be a historical foot note, well on the way to going down as one of the greatest villains of  modern political history.  Especially because the resulting economic outcomes, lowering of public standards, and the inevitable break up of the UK as a nation, were all caused by self inflicted wounds resulting from his 20 years of bitching.

I be he tries to avoid that in the ghost-written autobiography, soon to be in your favorite bargain bin for a fiver (that's run away inflation).

[Smith John]

You sound like a very, very angry young man. 

 

And as I said before in this thread, the break up of the UK isn't going to happen anytime soon, no matter how much wee Krankie, that raging pisshead Blackford and the rest of their followers kick and scream.

Edited January 15, 2020 by Smith John

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

1 hour ago, Smith John said:

You sound like a very, very angry young man. 

 

And as I said before in this thread, the break up of the UK isn't going to happen anytime soon, no matter how much wee Krankie, that raging pisshead Blackford and the rest of their followers kick and scream.

It's a long way to the next General Election and I've never said it'll happen tomorrow....  The Courts, tied in to the Scottish Assembly Elections in 2022 will be when the bitter truth starts to bite.