UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion & DIY Home Improvement Thread

[ilovebender.com]

Do not even think to ask me why you should watch it, just watch it. @sivispacem

Or don't, but if you don't, then don't bother posting about it.

[sivispacem]

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

Do not even think to ask me why you should watch it, just watch it. 

"Watch this video"

 

Yet can't explain why I would want to, or how its relevant. That's a bit sad really.

 

Did you watch the video? I don't think you did because you can't explain it. You should watch it. Really watch it though. Watch it until you understand it. And can explain it.

 

Then do.

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

"Watch this video"

 

Yet can't explain why I would want to, or how its relevant. That's a bit sad really.

 

Did you watch the video? I don't think you did because you can't explain it. You should watch it. Really watch it though. Watch it until you understand it. And can explain it.

 

Then do.

It's about Germany championing the Schengen Agreement, duh.

The video doesn't go into details like Hitler was the one who's dream it was, but then it's trying to sell the idea.

 

You should see the argument the video makes.

When they say experts question the need for a common currency, they just animate a bunch of borders and crying face to illustrate it's bad to have borders in Europe so VW can build engines in Hungary and have just in time delivery without the need for expensive warehouses or traffic stopping at a border.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

 I won't tolerate it.

What are you going to do about it then?

 

The funniest thing is I have watched the video. I did ages ago. It's a pretty vanilla explanation of Schengen from DW. Snore. I knew it all anyway.

 

What's really clear is that you've not understood it, so you should watch it. Watch it until you understand it, then you might stop asking stupid questions and making idiotically ill informed statements.

[ilovebender.com]

Just now, sivispacem said:

What are you going to do about it then?

 

The funniest thing is I have watched the video. I did ages ago. It's a pretty vanilla explanation of Schengen from DW. Snore. I knew it all anyway.

 

What's really clear is that you've not understood it, so you should watch it. Watch it until you understand it, then you might stop asking stupid questions and making idiotically ill informed statements.

So why not erect borders and do away with the common currency given all the different standards of living and labour costs?

You must just champion the exploitation of cheap labour over putting up checks at borders and ending of freedom of movement for goods, services and people over these different living standards.

[sivispacem]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

but then it's trying to sell the idea.

So DW, the German public broadcaster, is selling the narrative that Schengen is Hitler's dream?

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You should see the argument the video makes.

I've got no idea what you think the video says, but it's definitely not that.

[ilovebender.com]

Just now, sivispacem said:

So DW, the German public broadcaster, is selling the narrative that Schengen is Hitler's dream?

No, it was Hitler's dream, but DW just say it was a post WWII dream for Europe and didn't mention who's (because we all know who's it was) since they're trying to sell it.

[sivispacem]

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

So why not erect borders and do away with the common currency given all the different standards of living and labour costs?

Addressed days ago in the European politics thread, do keep up.

 

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You must just champion the exploitation of cheap labour

What makes you say that?

 

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

No, it was Hitler's dream, but DW just say it was a post WWII dream for Europe and didn't mention who's

You're beyond a joke. You know nothing if the history of the EU if you think it's anything other than multilateral in origin.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

No, it was Hitler's dream, but DW just say it was a post WWII dream for Europe and didn't mention who's (because we all know who's it was) since they're trying to sell it.

 

It was Churchill's aim as well.

[sivispacem]

Just now, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

It was Churchill's as well.

And Vincent Auriol's, and Charles de Gaulle's

[ilovebender.com]

Just now, sivispacem said:

 

 

What makes you say that?

You think borders are bad. You think protectionism's bad too. But in this instance, you think borders are bad so instead of having borders to force VW to move production to Germany for just in time delivery to continue, you're not seeing a problem with opening borders across Europe for cheap labour to build things that are sold in Germany and added to the German GDP.

1 minute ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

It was Churchill's aim as well.

Churchill agreed with Hitler's vision and always maintained UK shouldn't be apart of it.

 

Hitler spawned this idea; then after the war, Churchill learned of it, and thought it was a good idea, but that UK kept out of it.

Just because Churchill agreed with Hitler's dream for Europe that is the Schengen, doesn't mean it was his idea; it means he agreed with Hitler's vision for Europe (but without UK being involved).

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Churchill agreed with Hitler's vision and always maintained UK shouldn't be apart of it.

 

Hitler spawned this idea; then after the war, Churchill learned of it, and thought it was a good idea, but that UK kept out of it.

Just because Churchill agreed with Hitler's dream for Europe that is the Schengen, doesn't mean it was his idea; it means he agreed with Hitler's vision for Europe (but without UK being involved).

 

That's Brexiter Bullsh*t, spawned from them patching 2 of his speeches together and treating it as one complete speech.

The first half of the key quote is from the 30's depression era, the second half is 1946 and taken from his Zurich speech.

 

Do keep up Bucko.

https://www.ft.com/content/3d6bbabc-7122-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926

[ilovebender.com]

We're leaving the EU soon anyway, so, good riddance to backwards Europeans. May they enjoy the wall their regulations erect around them, UK's going global.

2 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

That's Brexiter Bullsh*t, spawned from them patching 2 of his speeches together and treating it as one complete speech.

Actually, saying it's bullsh*t is Remainer bullsh*t.

 

We all know what Hitler's peace time plan for Europe was and we all know the EU resembles that dream more than anything else. Why else do you think people call it the Fourth Reich?

Why else do you think Euroskepticism exists?

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

10 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You think borders are bad. 

Point to where I've said that.

 

10 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You think protectionism's bad too. 

Objectively, it is. Protectionism stifles growth, deflates wages and slows economic progression. It's only seen as a positive by anti-globalists and bigots.

 

10 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

 for cheap labour to build things that are sold in Germany and added to the German GDP.

I don't think you understand GDP properly.

 

4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We're leaving the EU soon anyway

I think you only repeat this when you have no coherent rebuttal but want to try and get the last word in. It's very sad.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We're leaving the EU soon anyway, so, good riddance to backwards Europeans. May they enjoy the wall their regulations erect around them, UK's going global.

 

The only thing the UK is doing is going back to the 1970's. 

 

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Actually, saying it's bullsh*t is Remainer bullsh*t.

 

Ignoring the facts again, how very Brexiter of you.

[ilovebender.com]

1 minute ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

Objectively, it is. Protectionism stifles growth, deflates wages and slows economic progression. It's only seen as a positive by anti-globalists and bigots.

Protectionism's called fair trade numb nuts.

It adds tariffs to cheap labour and protects developing economies from being dumped on by being under cut by imported goods.

[sivispacem]

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

Protectionism's called fair trade 

You don't understand what fair trade is either. Quelle surprise.

[ilovebender.com]

12 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

The only thing the UK is doing is going back to the 1970's. 

Whatever Dude, it's 2020.

I don't think we had Trump in the White House in the 1970's.

I don't think we had China leading the world in the 1970's.

It's not going back to the 1970's.

It's not reverting to a pre EEC situation, Brexit is moving forward and in 2020, the world has a stagnated EU, however, Remainers think it's 2015 and that the EU is the world when the rest of the world doesn't really care what the EU says.

 

Do you accept that the common currency and open borders is why the EU is doomed?

The economics were never there for the common currency to work. We all know unskilled people from poor countries flooded without restraint to more prosperous countries and not the other way around; Sure, we're free to live in Romania, but, why would we want to when they pay sh*t in Romania compared to UK, freedom of movement isn't a 2 way street just because we don't want to go to some backwards backwater butt f*ck nowhere place no matter how free we are to - that's why EU migration was one way.

In 2008 I believe (around then/that time) the Euro failed - and they had to break the rules to save it.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

Whatever Dude, it's 2020.

I don't think we had Trump in the White House in the 1970's.

I don't think we had China leading the world in the 1970's.

It's not going back to the 1970's.

 

Your cross-border trade policy is.

 

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

It's not reverting to a pre EEC situation, Brexit is moving forward in a stagnated EU, however, Remainers think it's 2015 and that the EU is the world when the rest of the world doesn't really care what the EU says.

 

The UK has been a stagnated economy for longer than the current EU stagnation phase.  Brexiters think 2020 is going to be great, prepare to be bitterly disappointed when the UK gets exactly nowhere over the coming months with it's, 'extensive schedule of new trade agreements.'

[ilovebender.com]

11 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

Brexiters think 2020 is going to be great,

It'll be better than being in this crap called the EU.

Remainers think leaving the EU is like the end of the world.

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prepare to be bitterly disappointed...

No, you prepare to get disappointed when life goes on after the transition period ends and that all the scare mongering you've clearly fallen for doesn't happen.

Think of Brexit Chaos like the Y2K Virus, the so called Millennium Bug or even the chaos UK not joining the single currency was meant to bring.

Prepare to be disappointed and embarrassed when you see Brexit's just the same Retard.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

No, you prepare to get disappointed when life goes on and all the scare mongering you fell for amounts to more b/s.

I didn't know that acknowleding the recession that even the government have conceded is a likely result of Brexit was "scaremongering".

[ilovebender.com]

2 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

I didn't know that acknowleding the recession that even the government have conceded is a likely result of Brexit was "scaremongering".

Last I heard, UK's already signed bilateral deals in Europe with the likes of France for security and Switzerland for market continued access and the United States are eager to sign a deal given we're not tied to the EU too much.

How is this an acknowledge recession?

We've got the likes of Sajid Javid in the cabinet, and he used to be a banker in Singapore.

If we could keep London competitive, then that's a way to keep business in Britain. 

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

How is this an acknowledge recession?

The ONS has been pretty clear on the odds of economic contraction, and they're usually pretty spot on. The only people who haven't basically accepted that a recession is the likely outcome of Brexit are the most fanatically delusional of ardent Brexiteers. 

 

A recession is only two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. Not hard to expect with a global economic slowdown underway even putting Brexit aside.

[ilovebender.com]

9 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

The ONS has been pretty clear on the odds of economic contraction, and they're usually pretty spot on. The only people who haven't basically accepted that a recession is the likely outcome of Brexit are the most fanatically delusional of ardent Brexiteers. 

 

A recession is only two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. Not hard to expect with a global economic slowdown underway even putting Brexit aside.

Look, we're leaving the EU, we're a culture who loves tax avoidance, IDK about you, but, The City runs on it.

Sure, we'd grow less as things stand coming out of the EU than we would remaining.

But if we factor in all our new freedoms such as the ability to be a low tax haven and to shift our profits to lower taxed states and countries; then employers will come with their jobs and we'd still be earning a living.

If the EU's war on tax avoidance with a general anti abuse rule to overrule national tax loop holes wasn't a good reason to get out of the EU, then sovereignty and divergence from the EU is a good reason to get out of the EU.

 

Also, if UK became a state of America, we'd be poorer than Mississippi; but we're not joining America, we're not leaving Europe. We're most probably going to be a red carpet for America in this part of the world, and that's better than being in the EU with all its regulations and taxation laws.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Look, we're leaving the EU

So you keep saying, usually in lieu of addressing actual points.

 

5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Also, if UK became a state of America, we'd be poorer than Mississippi; but we're not joining America

What are you blithering about?

[ilovebender.com]

7 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

So you keep saying, usually in lieu of addressing actual points.

 

What are you blithering about?

That UK's going in for tax avoidance in all our divergence talk and we're going to be closer to America now and the EU f*cked up big time with their anti abuse rule overruling national tax havens.

Get used to it.

https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/

 

Tax avoidance is good, don't let the EU tell you it's not.

 

UKIP and the dumbasses may have put pressure on for a referendum; but it's a bunch of Tories who're delivering the outcome.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

That UK's going in for tax avoidance

Going to be tough to pay for the massively expensive proposed public works and regeneration of the North of England whilst tax revenues decline, isn't it?

 

You also seem to forget that one of the first actions was to scrap proposed reductions in corporation tax rates during the election.

 

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

dumbasses

The irony of literally the stupidest person I've ever experienced calling anyone a dumbass is palpable.

[ilovebender.com]

10 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Going to be tough to pay for the massively expensive proposed public works and regeneration of the North of England whilst tax revenues decline, isn't it?

Gives a f*ck about North of England? If they get development, sure, if not, at least London and the South East is better off, and guess where I'm from?

Sure, it'll be nice for them to have prosperity too for the North, why not, but it's not really top of our concern; that sounds more like Rebecca Long Bailey than Boris Johnson, but; he knew these places voted for Brexit and he needed to win an election so probably spoke about tossing them a bone, but, does it look like North of England matters to a tax avoidance banker who believes UK's a sh*t hole too until things change in the UK.

If you're rich in the UK, it doesn't matter where you're from and where you work.

I'm not saying it's equal, but it is fair; London makes the money, so London gets the money.

Sure, the rest of England is nice, but, you seem to think it's top priority in London that the North of England gets regenerated - It's not.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Gives a f*ck about North of England? 

The Tories, given that's what won them the election.

 

4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

you seem to think it's top priority in London that the North of England gets regenerated 

It's actually pretty high on the government's priority list. Expect to see funding diverted from the South East to keep their newly acquired electorate happy.

[ilovebender.com]

10 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

The Tories, given that's what won them the election.

 

It's actually pretty high on the government's priority list.

You believed that?

 

Sure, they lent The Tories their votes, and any Tory who wanted to retain them would suddenly increase spending up there....

But really, this government are there to 'Get Brexit Done' (so the Punch and Judy mantra goes). We're being taken out of the EU on a mandate steered by bunch of Singapore Bankers like Sajid Javid or American born born in the same city as President Trump our PM Boris Johnson or, IDK whatever rich toffee nose snob Jacob Rees-Mogg is, but I bet he's got his own reasons for Brexit too.

The one's steering the country at moment though there because of these votes, are still the same people with the same aims as before in Brexit.

 

I for one love that we've got an American born prime minister making all the right noises in trade with America who was also Mayor of London (just, wow, y'know) bringing us out of the EU and diverging from the EU.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com