UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion & DIY Home Improvement Thread

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I'm not really a fan of just in time delivery.

 

I assume that's because it's an EU thing.

 

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If Europeans want just in time delivery, they shouldn't have different living standards and open borders; - It'll all be 'on time' if every part was built in a single country; none of this 'build in an Eastern European backwater and ship to Germany for assembly b/s. It exploits cheap labour.

 

Boeing still has worldwide supply chains for the damn components! Rolls Royce make the engines and they're shipped as completed units for final assembly for instance.

 

You'd clearly understand the supply chain system if you had any understanding of how business operates.

 

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If Boeing can build their aeroplanes under one roof, then why does Airbus need to dick around building all over the EU to be assembled in just in time delivery?

 

Airbus has giant hangers for 'final assembly' too.  All the bits are made off site and shipped for assembly in those Boeing hangars as well.

[Ned Bingham]

4 hours ago, Svip said:

UK wants Aussies not Romanians!

No way, they cause too many bush fires.  OTOH, women might like their bushes being set on fire 

[ilovebender.com]

1 hour ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

I assume that's because it's an EU thing.

It's a tad ominous to say the least how they neglect to mention exactly who's post war dream for Europe this was

 

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Boeing still has worldwide supply chains for the damn components! Rolls Royce make the engines and they're shipped as completed units for final assembly for instance.

 

You'd clearly understand the supply chain system if you had any understanding of how business operates.

and it doesn't need freedom of movement over these different standards of living.

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Airbus has giant hangers for 'final assembly' too.  All the bits are made off site and shipped for assembly in those Boeing hangars as well.

Again with your championing of exploitation of cheap labour.

"Who needs borders if it slows my cheap labour sending my goods home?"

"Country? What country? I see a country with cheap labour, that's what I see.

I want to build there because it's cheaper than building here, that's what country I see, f*ck your border, I want to f*ck your country and have them make my sh*t I'd then assemble and sell in my country, f*ck you border f*ck you cheap labour, you'd get what your country pays you and not a euro cent more."

Edited January 9, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

It's a tad ominous to say the least how they neglect to mention exactly who's post war dream for Europe this was

It's a tad ominous to say the least, that you keep posting ideas linked to 75 years ago, while having an ideology that was last active in the UK a century earlier.  Oh for the glory days of the British Empire, eh?

 

 

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

and it doesn't need freedom of movement over these different standards of living.

Again with your championing of exploitation of cheap labour.

"Who needs borders if it slows my cheap labour sending my goods home?"

"Country? What country? I see a country with cheap labour, that's what I see.

I want to build there because it's cheaper than building here, that's what country I see, f*ck your border, I want to f*ck your country and have them make my sh*t I'd then assemble and sell in my country, f*ck you border f*ck you cheap labour, you'd get what your country pays you and not a euro cent more."

 

So you're all for cheap labour, well, that's what you're getting, thanks to the Brexit votes passed in the Commons, by the Tory majority.

[sivispacem]

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

It'll look like a political declaration and a customs alignment with the EU after leaving the EU.

And how is that demonstrably worse than no-deal then?

 

3 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I thought everybody was clear on what a bad deal meant 

Even the government can't agree with themselves on what a "bad deal" means.

 

2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

If Boeing can build their aeroplanes under one roof

... they don't? They're by and large built using a technique know as "aerostructure assembly", where other companies such as Spirit and Triumph actually build most of the airframe components which are then bolted together by Boeing.

 

That's even putting aside things like supply of avionics, electronic systems, engines, navigation, autopilots, instrumentation and telemetry, hydraulics, interior fittings, wheels and brakes, communications, safety systems, fuelling, control surfaces, radar, audiovisual and entertainment equipment, plumbing, heating and refrigeration, auxillary power, thermal insulation, and a myriad of other critical components that are supplied by third parties.

 

In fact, the divested nature of Airbus' business which encompasses both aerostructure fabrication and many of the supporting critical components means that if anything proportionally more of their aircraft are built in-house.

 

 

Also, f*cking lol at the notion of aerospace engineers being "cheap labour". Their average salaries are three plus times that of the national average.

[ilovebender.com]

4 hours ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

 

Also, f*cking lol at the notion of aerospace engineers being "cheap labour". Their average salaries are three plus times that of the national average.

Did you even watch the video?!

How is VW building in Hungary to be shipped back to Germany in just in time shipping not cheap labour?

Why does VW's need for cheap labour outweigh Europe's sovereign borders?

 

 

Did you know that Europe is so backwards, they haven't the ability it seems to be patriotic without being xenophobic and so probably haven't the ability for the thinking power to accept a national flag as anything but a reminder of the far right.

[Svip]

Today I learnt that the EU is basically another Volkswagen.

[ilovebender.com]

We have this long

https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/

until Brexit.

 

Just think, this time next month, we won't be in the EU anymore.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Just think, this time next month, we won't be in the EU anymore.

Just think, this time next month and Leavers still won't have a fecking clue what they've won!

[ilovebender.com]

10 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

Just think, this time next month and Leavers still won't have a fecking clue what they've won!

Are you Irish?

I thought only Irish people on Father Ted said fecking.

You can't even swear right you f*cking f*ck wit.

 

 

What have we won?

Well, leaving the EU is like our getting out of jail free card, especially if we diverge and don't have to pay a divorce bill.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

9 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

How is VW building in Hungary 

Last time I checked, VW wasn't an aerospace company. 

 

9 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why does VW's need for cheap labour outweigh Europe's sovereign borders?

How is it any different from other globally divested supply chains? TVs made in Japan are made substantially from components shipped over from China where labour costs are lower. 

 

What even is your point here? I don't see what it has to do with national sovereignty at all; that companies set up operations in places with power wage costs to reduce overheads (and often remain competitive with competitors who are domicile within lower wage nations) is a surprise to exactly nobody.

 

9 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

so probably haven't the ability for the thinking power to accept a national flag as anything but a reminder of the far right.

I don't recall the EU taking issues with members states displaying their national flags; probably 'cos it never happened and, like the rest of your opinions and views, is absolute incoherent drivel.

[ilovebender.com]

25 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Last time I checked, VW 

Then stop talking about f*cking aerospace companies, retard.

Watch that video, last time I checked, that video highlighted VW, dickwad.

25 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

How is it any different from other globally divested supply chains? TVs made in Japan are made substantially from components shipped over from China where labour costs are lower. 

 

What even is your point here? I don't see what it has to do with national sovereignty at all

Because you don't know about open borders and freedom of movement for goods, services and people?

 

How does a TV made in Japan with parts in China or an aeroplane made in the US with parts in China got sh*t to do with the EU's open border system for just in time delivery?

 

Are you missing the point on purpose?

 

 

Yes, global supply chains are a reality, no one's disputing that; what does Boeing having engines from Rolls Royce have to do with open borders since Boeing and Rolls Royce seem to do just fine without open borders. I don't know why you're so stupid.

First, you're all for the EU; then you're all for Iran (or anyone who isn't America), and now you're comparing Boeing to the just in time model in the EU? You know and I know that UK and US don't have freedom of movement, yet you cite Rolls Royce to me as someone who builds engine parts for Boeing! And? Your point?

What has this got to do with Just In Time Delivery in the EU? You argue it's needed; I argue it's only needed to accommodate paying for cheaper labour and having them send the finished products home in a move that cares more about convenience and cost saving  than sovereignty.

God you're dumb.

 

Why can't VW build all the parts in Germany?

Because they'd have to pay a higher living standard.

If VW built all the parts in Germany, this would allow for just in time delivery since and there'd be borders to cross to no delays or traffic jams when moving from one plant to another.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

19 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Then stop talking about f*cking aerospace companies

It was you who brought up Boeing and Airbus with a load of totally inaccurate bullsh*t you muppet.

 

19 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Are you missing the point on purpose?

It's hard to miss something which isn't there. Thankfully, I knew it wouldn't be there when I posted, and knew you'd respond with a litany of insults and no actual argument, because you're a pathological uneducated moron.

 

It's always easy to see when you're losing the plot or grasp of your arguments because we end up with a screeching incoherent post full of insults that says literally nothing about the topic at hand.

 

19 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

what does Boeing having engines from Rolls Royce have to do with open borders 

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how just in time delivery or freedom of movemrnt are a violation of national.

 

20 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

God you're dumb.

Says the person whose yet again managed to conflate the replies of two posters as if they were one.

 

Maybe next time figure out who the f*ck you're responding to before you reply, you absolute pillock.

[ilovebender.com]

Just now, sivispacem said:

 

 

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how just in time delivery or freedom of movemrnt are a violation of national.

 

 

Because freedom of movement says there is no borders and a country needs to protect its borders from the unskilled and the undesirable. 

It's called border control, perhaps you should look that one up?

How is just in time delivery of cheap labour within the EU (because China and Japan don't have this) a better trade off than refusing low skilled migrants from settling and taking low skilled jobs from locals?

You do know that with borders, just in time delivery wouldn't exist unless production was done in a single country.

And what of the borders in Japan and America that don't seem to stop their cheap labour?

Why does EU need to get rid of borders and border checks?

 

Did you watch that f*cking video?

[Svip]

Border checks don't stop cheap labour.  That's not the reason for removing of borders within the Union.  The purpose is to make actual travel in border regions less taxing.  There are plenty of Europeans who live near a national border, and work on the other side.

[sivispacem]

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Because freedom of movement says there is no borders 

No it doesn't. You've completely misrepresented what freedom of movement actually constitutes; it's not the wholesale removal of borders, it just entities goods and services to cross them unimpeded as part of a multipartite agreement between nations.

 

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

refusing low skilled migrants from settling and taking low skilled jobs from locals?

Low skilled foreign workers displacing domestic employees is a far right myth. All mathematical analysis on the subject has proven such; the only group negatively impacted in terms of job displacement are actually other low skilled migrants.

 

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You do know that with borders, just in time delivery wouldn't exist unless production was done in a single country.

This is clearly and demonstrably total drivel. Cross-border JIT and demand based manufacturing is incredibly common across a wide range of industries.

 

That you think it can only exist with open borders is a truly laughable and ridiculous farce.

[ilovebender.com]

7 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

No it doesn't. You've completely misrepresented what freedom of movement actually constitutes; it's not the wholesale removal of borders, it just entities goods and services to cross them unimpeded as part of a multipartite agreement between nations.

 

Low skilled foreign workers displacing domestic employees is a far right myth. All mathematical analysis on the subject has proven such; the only group negatively impacted in terms of job displacement are actually other low skilled migrants.

 

This is clearly and demonstrably total drivel. Cross-border JIT and demand based manufacturing is incredibly common across a wide range of industries.

 

That you think it can only exist with open borders is a truly laughable and ridiculous farce.

Did you even watch that video on the Schengen Area?

 

Who's post war dream was this for Europe? (The video didn't want to name names, but it was actually Hitler's dream for Europe).

Why does VW build engines in Hungary? (Because it makes VW cars more competitive and cost effective exploiting cheap Hungarian labour).

Why are borders bad? (Because they'd create a need for VW and many others to build expensive warehouses).

So they'd just do away with borders in the EU so VW can have engines built in Hungary delivered just in time.

Watch this video.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Svip]

So wait.  Your logic is that because VW had to build warehouses, they advocated open borders within Europe?  I am not sure warehouses are a huge strain on a supply chain.

[sivispacem]

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Did you even watch that video on the Schengen Area?

I don't need to because, unlike you, I actually understand it in the first place.

 

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why does VW build engines in Hungary (because it makes VW cars cost effective exploiting cheap Hungarian labour)

VW Group also builds engines in Germany, India, Brazil, Spain, the UK, China, Mexico, Czechia, Sweden and South Africa. If the driver in setting up operations was low wage costs, why are so many comparatively high wage countries represented in that list?

 

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

So they'd just do away with borders in the EU 

So you're saying that free movement only exists so VW can exploit cheap labour?

 

9 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Watch this video.

Respond to my posts and I'll think about it.

 

If you repost that video without addressing another posters comments directly again, it'll be a ban.

[ilovebender.com]

Europe needs borders and doesn't need a common currency.

 

[sivispacem]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

Europe needs borders and doesn't need a common currency.

You need to respond to other posters.

[ilovebender.com]

10 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

Respond to my posts and I'll think about it..

You could watch the video and then I'd respond to you in a matter be fitting someone who wasn't prattling about trying to compare just in time delivery to f*cking Boeing and Rolls Royce.

9 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

You need to respond to other posters.

You could just edit it in to the reply above since your reply about not viewing my video I posted first yesterday blocked this post from the reply I was making.

 

I posted the video yesterday, I'm waiting for you to watch it; Only a moron would reply to something they never watched and then ask for a reply to their reply as a precondition to actually watching what they should have replied to yesterday; but then, you are a Remainer; I don't think you're very old because you're not very wise and you stink of youth pigheadedness coupled with not knowing anything.

 

 

I'm not going to debate on debate because you like to draw people into the etticut of debate while missing what's being debated and to me that's just pointless. You suck at debate for doing that. Watch the video, then come with your reply, before you miss the point again and champion VW exploiting Hungary justifying the Schengen Agreement.

 

So don't lecture users on how to debate, that's debating debate, and that's just retarded, I won't get drawn into that no matter how much you like to debate about f*cking debating.

Watch the video.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

someone who wasn't prattling about trying to compare just in time delivery to f*cking Boeing and Rolls Royce.

 

17 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

If Boeing can build their aeroplanes under one roof, then why does Airbus need to dick around building all over the EU to be assembled in just in time delivery?

F*ckwit.

 

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I posted the video yesterday, I'm waiting for you to watch it

Tell me why I should. What does it tell me about Schengen that I don't already know?

 

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I don't think you're very old because you're not very wise 

Thankfully your views on wisdom are equally as stupid as your views on every other subject, so it doesn't really mean much.

[ilovebender.com]

What does this have to do with the f*cking Schengen Agreement exploiting cheap labour in Eastern Europe?

Airbus can prattle about all they want and probably need the Schengen Agreement to do it.

How come Boeing doesn't need open borders to make their planes?

[sivispacem]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

What does this have to do with the f*cking Schengen Agreement

Covered that several posts ago, try to keep up.

 

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

How come Boeing doesn't need open borders to make their planes?

Oh so now you do want to talk about aerospace companies? You can go read my post on the last page and respond to that then.

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

 

Tell me why I should. What does it tell me about Schengen that I don't already know?

If you watched it, you'd understand what I was on about.

Ever thought about that?

I'm on about Just In Time Delivery being bad and borders needed and different standards of living, IDK what you're trying to talk about when talking about supply chains of things not even in the EU.

1 minute ago, sivispacem said:

Covered that several posts ago, try to keep up.

 

Oh so now you do want to talk about aerospace companies? You can go read my post on the last page and respond to that then.

Just watch that video, or stfu.

 

Like, quit typing, watch it, or stop wasting forum time replying for replying sake.

No one cares what you have to say or what you know since you're not replying to the video yet again.

[sivispacem]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

If you watched it, you'd understand what I was on about.

If you can't even explain what it says, why should I watch it? You clearly don't understand it yourself otherwise you'd be able to summarise it.

 

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

I'm on about Just In Time Delivery being bad

Might want to take that up with the global high tech manufacturing industry given that it's the prevailing method of production and has been for the best part of half a century.

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

IDK what you're trying to talk about when talking about supply chains of things not even in the EU.

You brought them up in the first place, you spunk-trumpet. I'm responding to your comments.

[ilovebender.com]

Britain's leaving the EU soon, so I guess you're going to be a total Tool all month and beyond until you settle down and realise Brexit wasn't the end of days like you were told. 

5 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

If you can't even explain what it says, why should I watch it? You clearly don't understand it yourself otherwise you'd be able to summarise it.

Why should I explain it anymore than I already have when it's all in the video you could watch but as I said, are being pigheaded and stubborn so now probably won't since you apparently have a learning difficultly and an IQ of 0 since you don't want to open your mind and you're a dunning-kruger since you think you know it all already. 

 

Free advice dude, as to your stubborn behaviour you're now displaying. Quit your f*cking sulking over Brexit, get over it, and don't be such a f*cking heel and watch a f*cking video. You're annoying me now.

You're acting like a bratty teenager, seriously, and I won't tolerate it. Watch a video, grow up, quit sulking. Brexit's soon, get on with life.

Edited January 10, 2020 by ilovebender.com

[Svip]

My word, you're engaging.  Even broken records have less predictability.

[sivispacem]

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Why should I explain it anymore than I already have 

If the video matches the explanation you've provided then it's not worth watching because it's hilariously contradictory and incorrect. 

 

I suspect what's actually happened is you've massively misinterpreted it as it's from a reasonsbly authoritative source (and therefore tells me things I already know).

 

Before I waste my time watching something which tells me what I already know, I've asked you to summarise your understanding of it, largely so I can uproariously laugh at what a dog's dinner it will invariably be.

 

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Free advice dude

I don't take advice from builders or strippers, "dude". Or people who call other people "dude", for that matter.

 

13 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

You're annoying me now.

Aww diddums.