UK Politics & Current Affairs Discussion & DIY Home Improvement Thread

[ilovebender.com]

Doesn't matter anyway, since when did Brexit mean the EU applies to Britain?

 

UK's got this get out of jail free card, so even if Turkey decides to let out refugees it's been holding on the EU 28's behalf, it serves the EU right for out sourcing taking care of its refugees in a country with a regime like Turkey's.

But even if that were to happen, UK's Brexiting, Brexit is the UK Monroe Doctrine; how the Monroe Doctrine clears the United States from having to worry about what happens in Europe, Brexit clears the UK from having to worry about what goes on in the EU. 

Simply put, Brexit is saying to the EU that the EU's problems aren't the UK's problems anymore, and that we can do our own thing; That's what Brexit is.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Svip]

As Brad pointed out with the regulatory superpower that is the EU, in or out, the UK simply cannot afford to not abide by EU regulations.  The only difference is that out the UK would have no say in EU regulations.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

What has this got to do with the British post Brexit though?

Exactly, the UK won't be an EU member, so the population of the UK loses access to EU services.  Well done for not thinking of the consequences of your actions.

 

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

And... No one's a citizen of a state in America how we're citizens of our countries in the EU, and no one in the EU's a citizen of the EU like they are citizens of the US.

But a Californian and a Marylander may live several thousand miles apart and can claim to be US citizens, but they have national laws to adhere to, and also state laws that can differ quite seriously.  For instance, California has very strict laws on perishables and tries to limit imports of fruit and vegetable into the state, even from other US states.  Because they have different standards on pesticides and chemicals compared to the rest of the US and they don't want the contaminated produce in their stores if they have illegal treatments on them.

 

That's the whole point of the EU, like the US national Government, it sets the absolute minimums the citizens should expect to live by in terms of their standards.  If national / state regulators wish to change those minimums to their own, higher standards, that's fine too.  If the EU likes those standards, eventually they'll adopt them region wide.

 

8 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Because the EU isn't a country.

It's a collection of countries trying to work for a common goal on a level playing field.  The UK is throwing that level playing field away and stamping it's feet, expecting to gain something.  It won't.

5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Simply put, Brexit is saying to the EU that the EU's problems aren't UK's problems anymore.

That's about the level expected of the prime Gammon of this world....

 

The problems won't go away at all, they'll get far worse, and the Government cannot blame the EU this time for all it's woes.  That scapegoat has sailed!

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

Exactly, the UK won't be an EU member, so the population of the UK loses access to EU services.  ..

We haven't gotten access to USA or China too, doesn't mean the sky's falling.

 

All because we're not going to have access to the EU, doesn't mean a thing since we're leaving the EU anyway.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

All because we're not going to have access to the EU, doesn't mean a thing since we're leaving the EU anyway.

Which you keep saying, without ever providing a real benefit as to leaving the EU.  It's all hope and prayer, nothing ever concrete and quantifiable evidence.

[ilovebender.com]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

It's a collection of countries trying to work for a common goal on a level playing field.  The UK is throwing that level playing field away and stamping it's feet, expecting to gain something.

We're gaining getting out of the EU.

What common goal?

The common goal of shut up and do as they say?

We don't want a level playing field if it's with countries like Ireland or Romania; they might want equality with the UK and so enjoyed being in the EU, but we're not a poor country seeking equality with a big neighbour.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

1 hour ago, ilovebender.com said:

How stupid are you 

How stupid are you?The specific comment I was asserting was untrue that:

 

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

You don't accept 

I do accept that the government have no direct control, outside of its prescribed regulatory frameworks, over the actions of companies (with obvious exceptions). They do however have a responsibility to ensure the availability of pertinent information that enables companies to take actions.

 

And quite frankly I'm not enough a silly enough cunt to honest-to-god described the NHS as a "company". Holy f*ck what absolute drivel.

 

 

 

For the record, though, the UK government actually does hold significant financial stakes in a significant number of private entities, including in some cases holding the "golden share" that effectively makes them the controlling stakeholder regardless of the actual proportion of shares they directly own.

 

The most notable example is Rolls-Royce PLC, but since 2016 the UK government has had a policy of maintaining a golden share in all critical national infrastructure projects funded through foreign investment.

[Svip]

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We don't want a level playing field if it's with countries like Ireland or Romania; they might want equality with the UK and so enjoyed being in the EU, but we're not a poor country seeking equality with a big neighbour.

Then why did the UK join the EEC in the first place?  The 1975 UK referendum on joining the EEC got 67.33% approval.  Somewhat more than the percentage that voted to leave in 2016.  Were the people lied to in 1975?

[ilovebender.com]

4 minutes ago, Svip said:

Then why did the UK join the EEC in the first place? ...

To have a European army, to have a single flag and to sing Beethoven when winning gold at the Olympics, to have the same currency over radically different economies and to allow ex convicts and un educated people the right to live and work here while distrusting our good friends the Americans, isn't that why we joined the EEC?

 

Or maybe I'm wrong and it was about selling steel in Europe or something, and all that other stuff that UK didn't sign up to and indeed once veto'd happened later.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Svip]

The UK ratified the Maastricht Treaty in 1992.  Albeit with opt-outs from specifically phase 3 of EERM, so the UK wouldn't have to adopt the Euro.  Along with several judicial opt-outs.  The debate in Parliament in 1992 was not about whether or not to ratify the Treaty, but of which provisions to opt-out.  The UK accepted the transition of the EEC into the EU.

 

The UK could have left in 1992, if they wanted.  But they didn't.

Edited December 21, 2019 by Svip

[sivispacem]

Lol "EU Army". The main proponent of using the standing militaries of EU member states has been the UK. Sadly last time I checked foreign and defence policy remains firmly within the purview of individual member states. We could probably have avoided a few recent disasterous conflicts.

 

11 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Or maybe I'm wrong 

Usually a safe bet.

[ilovebender.com]

1 hour ago, sivispacem said:

 

 

Usually a safe bet.

Says someone in the UK sporting an EU flag, lol, I'm wrong?

 

You're either stupid or closed minded, but you need to accept Britain's leaving the EU.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

Yes, you're wrong. 

 

Last time I checked we were still in the EU, not that it has any bearing on the flag below my profile picture. 

[ilovebender.com]

9 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Yes, you're wrong. 

 

Last time I checked we were still in the EU, not that it has any bearing on the flag below my profile picture. 

I think it's funny people think Brexit's going to be like the end of the world or something when if anything, Brexit could push us closer to our friends and allies with whom we actually share common ideals with.

We don't share freedom of expression or rights of the majority these other lesser countries in the EU have in loo of freedom of speech and rights of minorities who's common currency spans weaker and healthier economies with no borders for protection of domestic unskilled jobs, so why would we want to be in an economic or political union with them when we don't want a federalised Europe telling us what to do.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Raavi]

5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We don't share freedom of expression or rights of the majority other lesser countries in the EU have in loo of freedom of speech and rights of minorities

 

For the sake of f*ck. Not this sh*t again.

[ilovebender.com]

6 minutes ago, Raavi said:

 

For the sake of f*ck. Not this sh*t again.

Dude, look it up, it's real.

If you ain't got Freedom of Speech or Rights of Minorities, then your ideals and culture are alien to UK's, and I for one believe we should translate this into a free trade deal with our friends rather than a bunch of backwards Eurotrash who hate America and freedom.

I wouldn't even say it's worth debating anyway since Brexit's going to happen, you know, toodaloo EU.

You've lost if you want to remain in the EU anyway, so, yeah.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[sivispacem]

Just now, ilovebender.com said:

Dude, look it up, it's real.

It's not, it's idiotic drivel.

 

Hence why you've not been able to provide a single authoritative source to support it, and why you've repeatedly and roundly ignored numerous pieces of evidence to the contrary.

 

Because you're a delusional fantasist.

[ilovebender.com]

5 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

It's not, it's idiotic drivel.

 

Hence why you've not been able to provide a single authoritative source to support it, and why you've repeatedly and roundly ignored numerous pieces of evidence to the contrary.

 

Because you're a delusional fantasist.

It's really not, I know you're on drugs when you dismiss freedom of speech and rights of minorities as fictional or unimportant to a country's ideology.

I've shown you videos have I not? So what if the video's from WWII, our freedoms of which we share are even older than that.

So I've shown you all the evidence needed, and you dismiss it on drugs all over a want of staying close to backward countries with backward ideologies which means freedom is lost on them so they can set regulation over Europe including the UK.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Eurotrash

Ah, brings the memories flooding back....

 

 

 

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

Ah, brings the memories flooding back....

 

 

 

Didn't have Sky or cable then huh.

 

I was watching Sky One back in the day, we had Friends on Sky One and The Simpsons.

A lot of American entertainment on cable, maybe that's what's wrong, you never had cable.

[sivispacem]

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

It's really not

It's is. If you were correct, you'd be able to evidence it. You can't, or won't.

 

Conversely vast swathes of evidence proving your assertions factually wrong has been posted, and you literally just pretend it's not there whilst repeating the same drivel like a broken record.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I know you're on drugs

Pretty unlikely. Not really worth losing my job over failing a random test.

 

You though?

 

Your mouldy flat certainly looks like somewhere you'd go to shoot up and it would at least explain why you're so idiotically delusional.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I've shown you videos have I not?

Not any that actually support your claims, you haven't. Most of them could be scarcely less relevant if you tried. 

 

No video you've posted provides any empirical evidence that the UK or US is freer than, say Germany.

 

No video you've posted provides any empirical evidence that European countries lack minority rights or freedom of speech.

[ilovebender.com]

3 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

It's is. If you were correct, you'd be able to evidence it. You can't, or won't.

 

Conversely vast swathes of evidence proving your assertions factually wrong has been posted, and you literally just pretend it's not there whilst repeating the same drivel like a broken record.

 

Pretty unlikely. Not really worth losing my job over failing a random test.

 

You though?

 

Your mouldy flat certainly looks like somewhere you'd go to shoot up and it would at least explain why you're so idiotically delusional

Because you're a dumb moron piece of sh*t who hasn't bothered studying history doesn't mean history has to be proven to you dummy!

 

Also, in regards to the EU; It's like you're a classic conservative, afraid of change and wanting things to be like how they were in the past in 2015.

 

We're leaving the EU, you could want to stay in the EU all you want, but UK's leaving.

I for one think this is good considering EU fosters anti American sentiment which is a red line crossed in British eyes since they're our kin who love freedom like we do.

 

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

Didn't have Sky or cable then huh.

 

I was watching Sky One back in the day, we had Friends on Sky One and The Simpsons.

A lot of American entertainment on cable, maybe that's what's wrong, you never had cable.

Sky One was (and still is via the company) owned by Rupert 'Dirty Digger' Murdoch, which explains why you blindly preach the right wing media as your sources of hope and faith.

 

Besides, most American shows never make it to the UK and Europe, because they're generally of the same grade as their food standards....

[ilovebender.com]

7 minutes ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

Sky One was (and still is via the company) owned by Rupert 'Dirty Digger' Murdoch, which explains why you blindly preach the right wing media as your sources of hope and faith.

 

Besides, most American shows never make it to the UK and Europe, because they're generally of the same grade as their food standards....

Whatever Fritz, been to Lidl lately? It's hardily M&S or even Tesco.

Lidl when compared to UK's domestic supermarket chains, is really for poor people, because we like a better quality as a whole I guess in the UK? IDK.

 

Also, not that it matters, but, BMWs in this country are driven by black people; BMW stands for black man's wagon in the UK, not that it matters, but in Germany; BMW's like their Rolls Royce or something, a car reserved for the elites or something; not in the UK though, just saying, it doesn't matter but this is a fact. Lidl and BMW might be for posh people in Germany, but this isn't Germany; we have M&S and Rolls Royce right.

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Svip]

Or there was a market for a supermarket to target poor people, that regular UK supermarkets weren't targeting?  Then again, who cares about poor people?

[sivispacem]

1 minute ago, ilovebender.com said:

Because you're a dumb moron piece of sh*t

When your feeble skills of discussion fail you, which is exceptionally frequently, all you have left to fall back on is insults.

 

I've been pretty tolerant of your sh*t so far but next time I get an ad hominem instead of a coherent response, it will be your last post on this forum in 2019.

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

hasn't bothered studying history

I don't know what your obsession with "history" is. The "history" you've presented has no bearing on the claims you've made. 

 

Anyway, the last thing you want to get into with me is any kind of intellectual penis measuring contest. I can say without any shadow or question of doubt that I'm vastly more knowledgeable than you on just about any subject- including history- other than possibly male erotic dancing.

 

7 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

We're leaving the EU

The UK is, but that doesn't necessarily mean I will be. For all you know I could already be a dual national.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

4 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Whatever Fritz, been to Lidl lately? It's hardily M&S or even Tesco.

Lidl when compared to UK's domestic supermarket chains, is really for poor people, because, we like a better quality as a whole I guess in the UK? IDK.

 

Yeah, right....

 

I have worked at the bakery which produced the fruit loaf for both M&S and Lidl.  It was the exact same loaf, it just went into different packaging!

[ilovebender.com]

1 minute ago, Uncle Sikee Atric said:

 

Yeah, right....

 

I have worked at the bakery which produced the fruit loaf for both M&S and Lidl.  It was the exact same loaf, it just went into different packaging!

But why is Lidl nasty and cheap then if it's on par with M&S?

Edited December 21, 2019 by ilovebender.com

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

But why is Lidl nasty and cheap then if it's on par with M&S?

 

Because M&S thinks the rich are stupid and pay a premium?

[sivispacem]

Tesco isn't really British anymore. One of its majority shareholders is a US private equity firm, and another is the Central Bank of Norway. 

 

There's also no substantive difference in the quality of produce from LIDL to other large UK supermarkets. In fact for things like meat, I've often found it better. Plus when was the last time you could pop to Asda and buy a Dremel?

 

Also, the automotive bit of Rolls-Royce is wholly owned by BMW.