2 year old boy shoots his mother inside Walmart

[Ai®a©ob®a]

I smell a rat. Firstly what nuclear scientist needs to carry a concealed weapon? Secondly I find it hard to believe a woman as smart as she is could do something so stupid.

 

Also she was irresponsible her husband is talking strangely by saying otherwise. If she did leave her gun in there it's totally her fault.

Everybody makes mistake and this mistake costed her, Her life.

 

A lot of folks in the U.S carry concealed weapons for whatever reason it may be.

[a20characterusername]

 

Is that all you god damn patriots have to say when someone questions a 200 year old piece of paper? It's as stupid as living by the bible. One guy calls me stupid, you just tell me to shut up. It's like all you are thinking is "Oh no they gon take mer gerns". f*ck your amendment, it's stupid. You should not be allowed to carry a firearm on you, period. If you can't see why it's stupid and your only come back is shut up, well, 'Merica.

You really don't get it, do you?

 

You didn't "question" anything- you made a snarky remark with no substance.

 

Your entire argument is "your laws are old and therefore irrelevant", which is basically saying that every other law or rights we have are irrelevant as well. And again, you do realize that "200 year old piece of paper" has gone through numerous changes since its inception? So yes, it's a stupid argument. There's nothing "patriotic" about pointing out a very simple fact on how our system works. Like I already said, learn the basics of a subject before speaking on it. THAT is why I called you stupid, not because your opinion differs from mine, but because it's founded on willful ignorance.

 

Nobody is thinking "Oh no they gon take mer gerns", we're thinkng "Non-Americans would stop trying to act as if they not only know how our system operates, but think their uninformed opinions actually matter" You don't live here, so stop trying to tell people who do, what to do. That's another thing that -you guessed it- makes you stupid. How would you like it if Americans started telling Australians what they "should" be doing at every turn? Something tells me you wouldn't like that very much.

 

As for your "nobody should be allowed to carry a gun, period" remark? Yet more stupidity, mostly because it's impossible. Sorry, but you can't "un-invent" guns, and good luck trying to get hundreds of millions of people to willingly disarm, nevermind the hundreds of millions more worldwide.

 

And with that, I'm done wasting my time on you.

Edited January 1, 2015 by a20characterusername

[Wayne Daniels]

 

 

Is that all you god damn patriots have to say when someone questions a 200 year old piece of paper? It's as stupid as living by the bible. One guy calls me stupid, you just tell me to shut up. It's like all you are thinking is "Oh no they gon take mer gerns". f*ck your amendment, it's stupid. You should not be allowed to carry a firearm on you, period. If you can't see why it's stupid and your only come back is shut up, well, 'Merica.

You really don't get it, do you?

 

You didn't "question" anything- you made a snarky remark with no substance.

 

Your entire argument is "your laws are old and therefore irrelevant", which is basically saying that every other law or rights we have are irrelevant as well. And again, you do realize that "200 year old piece of paper" has gone through numerous changes since its inception? So yes, it's a stupid argument. There's nothing "patriotic" about pointing out a very simple fact on how our system works. Like I already said, learn the basics of a subject before speaking on it. THAT is why I called you stupid, not because your opinion differs from mine, but because it's founded on willful ignorance.

 

Nobody is thinking "Oh no they gon take mer gerns", we're thinkng "Non-Americans would stop trying to act as if they not only know how our system operates, but think their uninformed opinions actually matter" You don't live here, so stop trying to tell people who do, what to do. That's another thing that -you guessed it- makes you stupid. How would you like it if Americans started telling Australians what they "should" be doing at every turn? Something tells me you wouldn't like that very much.

 

As for your "nobody should be allowed to carry a gun, period" remark? Yet more stupidity, mostly because it's impossible. Sorry, but you can't "un-invent" guns, and good luck trying to get hundreds of millions of people to willingly disarm, nevermind the hundreds of millions more worldwide.

 

And with that, I'm done wasting my time on you.

Man, you don't need to disarm anybody, nobody has to hand in any guns, I'm not saying make guns illegal, just don't allow firearms to be carried in public, it's not a big deal is it?

[Dingdongs]

 

 

Is that all you god damn patriots have to say when someone questions a 200 year old piece of paper? It's as stupid as living by the bible. One guy calls me stupid, you just tell me to shut up. It's like all you are thinking is "Oh no they gon take mer gerns". f*ck your amendment, it's stupid. You should not be allowed to carry a firearm on you, period. If you can't see why it's stupid and your only come back is shut up, well, 'Merica.

You really don't get it, do you?

 

You didn't "question" anything- you made a snarky remark with no substance.

 

Your entire argument is "your laws are old and therefore irrelevant", which is basically saying that every other law or rights we have are irrelevant as well. And again, you do realize that "200 year old piece of paper" has gone through numerous changes since its inception? So yes, it's a stupid argument. There's nothing "patriotic" about pointing out a very simple fact on how our system works. Like I already said, learn the basics of a subject before speaking on it. THAT is why I called you stupid, not because your opinion differs from mine, but because it's founded on willful ignorance.

 

Nobody is thinking "Oh no they gon take mer gerns", we're thinkng "Non-Americans would stop trying to act as if they not only know how our system operates, but think their uninformed opinions actually matter" You don't live here, so stop trying to tell people who do, what to do. That's another thing that -you guessed it- makes you stupid. How would you like it if Americans started telling Australians what they "should" be doing at every turn? Something tells me you wouldn't like that very much.

 

As for your "nobody should be allowed to carry a gun, period" remark? Yet more stupidity, mostly because it's impossible. Sorry, but you can't "un-invent" guns, and good luck trying to get hundreds of millions of people to willingly disarm, nevermind the hundreds of millions more worldwide.

 

And with that, I'm done wasting my time on you.

Man, you don't need to disarm anybody, nobody has to hand in any guns, I'm not saying make guns illegal, just don't allow firearms to be carried in public, it's not a big deal is it?

 

Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry a firearm in public if you are duly licensed to do so...?

Edited January 2, 2015 by Irviding

[Mr. House]

Nobody is thinking "Oh no they gon take mer gerns", we're thinkng "Non-Americans would stop trying to act as if they not only know how our system operates, but think their uninformed opinions actually matter" You don't live here, so stop trying to tell people who do, what to do. That's another thing that -you guessed it- makes you stupid. How would you like it if Americans started telling Australians what they "should" be doing at every turn? Something tells me you wouldn't like that very much.

Lol 'if'

 

Fact of the matter is that everything the US does both directly and indirectly affects the rest of the western world and will do so to an even greater degree once the heavily US-centric TTIP trade agreement goes through. Not that that matters anyway, your assessment that not living in a country makes you void from criticising it is malformed and also hypocritical given how loud Americans are in saying what Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, China, Palestine, Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, Serbia, Russia and North Korea should and should not do. I'm willing to be that you and the majority of Americans have no idea how ANY of those countries operate.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Mr. House

[a20characterusername]

Lol 'if'

 

 

Fact of the matter is that everything the US does both directly and indirectly affects the rest of the western world and will do so to an even greater degree once the heavily US-centric TTIP trade agreement goes through. Not that that matters anyway, your assessment that not living in a country makes you void from criticising it is malformed and also hypocritical given how loud Americans are in saying what Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, China, Palestine, Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, Serbia, Russia and North Korea should and should not do. I'm willing to be that you and the majority of Americans have no idea how ANY of those countries operate.

 

And it's equally stupid when Americans try telling people of other nations what to do in their own lands, be it government or citizen.

 

Except I didn't say that not living in a country makes someone's cricitism void, I said not living in a country, as well as not having a grasp on how that country operates renders it a useless opinion. Let's say I criticized Japan's gun laws, for example--sure I'm free to, but the criticism wouldn't amount to anything if it were little more than "I don't like the way you do things, stop doing those things because I said so", now would it? Which is pretty much what Wayne Daniels' 'point' boiled down to. It's pretty stupid to claim that the Constitution should be rendered irrelevant beause there's a part of it one doesn't like, while using its age as an excuse. Because, you know, it's not like there have been several dozen changes to it since it first came about or anything. Once again, (and hopefully for the last time) that's my main point.

 

You're right, I have no idea how Venezuela or Russia operates, and notice how I never open my mouth about Venezuela or Russia? As for the other nations you mentioned- you might be surprised as to where I've been and lived, so you'd likely lose that bet.

Edited January 2, 2015 by a20characterusername

[9i OTD]

Damn. That's shocking. Despite this I'm still pro-gun though and wouldn't want any changes to american firearm laws.

[Dingdongs]

 

Nobody is thinking "Oh no they gon take mer gerns", we're thinkng "Non-Americans would stop trying to act as if they not only know how our system operates, but think their uninformed opinions actually matter" You don't live here, so stop trying to tell people who do, what to do. That's another thing that -you guessed it- makes you stupid. How would you like it if Americans started telling Australians what they "should" be doing at every turn? Something tells me you wouldn't like that very much.

Lol 'if'

 

Fact of the matter is that everything the US does both directly and indirectly affects the rest of the western world and will do so to an even greater degree once the heavily US-centric TTIP trade agreement goes through. Not that that matters anyway, your assessment that not living in a country makes you void from criticising it is malformed and also hypocritical given how loud Americans are in saying what Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, China, Palestine, Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, Serbia, Russia and North Korea should and should not do. I'm willing to be that you and the majority of Americans have no idea how ANY of those countries operate.

 

What he is trying to get at is that people from other countries do not understand American culture. We see such arguments from Europeans all the time, Piers Morgan being a great example, of Europeans just not quite getting that guns are an integral part of American culture.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Irviding

[hornedturtle]

It's not that we don't understand it, we just laugh at you because of it.

[Dingdongs]

[sivispacem]

Thing is, we do understand American culture. It's just a crap defence for behaving stupidly, and pretty much the biggest contributor to the various social issues that manifest themselves there.

[Dingdongs]

Thing is, we do understand American culture. It's just a crap defence for behaving stupidly, and pretty much the biggest contributor to the various social issues that manifest themselves there.

I never said it wasn't. What this woman did was stupid and she was a horrible and irresponsible gun owner. And I'm sorry but many Europeans do seem to just not understand that guns are an ingrained part of American culture and just say they should be banned and act as if overnight we will have a majestical fairyland. I know you aren't one of those and I've seen you argue against blanket gun bans, but I'm sure you can recognize such an ideology exists amongst European.

As for the second part, can you expand on that? Surely you aren't saying that the cultural proliferation of firearms is a chief contributor to societal issues here.. I would say they are no more than a tool that stokes fire to already existing issues. Violent crime doesn't exist as a result of guns.

[lil weasel]

If she did leave her gun in there it's totally her fault.

The Sandy Hook people claim it is the fault of the employees who made the gun and the ammunition in the first place. The things people will do to make a living!

[Femme Fatale]

 

If she did leave her gun in there it's totally her fault.

The Sandy Hook people claim it is the fault of the employees who made the gun and the ammunition in the first place. The things people will do to make a living!Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

[make total destroy]

Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

 

No it wasn't.

[Femme Fatale]

 

Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

 

No it wasn't.The shooter was "somewhat autistic," that was his brother's words, of course I'm not saying all autistic people are like him...

 

For example, a guy is driving, has a seizure, crashes, kills some people, and he himself dies...A seizure caused the tragedy...Should we loathe all people who suffer from seizures? No. Just like the shooter, and his autism...

[make total destroy]

The shooter was "somewhat autistic," that was his brother's words, of course I'm not saying all autistic people are like him...

 

 

 

Then what the f*ck are you saying? You literally just said:

 

Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

 

As if there were literally no other mitigating factors in the case, which is an absurdly reductionist incredibly f*cking stupid view, at best.

 

 

For example, a guy is driving, has a seizure, crashes, kills some people, and he himself dies...A seizure caused the tragedy...Should we loathe all people who suffer from seizures? No. Just like the shooter, and his autism...

 

Edited January 2, 2015 by make total destroy

[Ai®a©ob®a]

 

 

Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

 

No it wasn't.

The shooter was "somewhat autistic," that was his brother's words, of course I'm not saying all autistic people are like him...

 

For example, a guy is driving, has a seizure, crashes, kills some people, and he himself dies...A seizure caused the tragedy...Should we loathe all people who suffer from seizures? No. Just like the shooter, and his autism...

 

For once i agree with MTD...

 

You're a moron, Why don't you go and read The Official Report released by CT police several months ago

[Femme Fatale]

 

The shooter was "somewhat autistic," that was his brother's words, of course I'm not saying all autistic people are like him...

 

 

 

Then what the f*ck are you saying? You literally just said:

 

Autism was to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting...

 

As if there were literally no other mitigating factors in the case, which is an absurdly reductionist incredibly f*cking stupid view, at best.

 

 

For example, a guy is driving, has a seizure, crashes, kills some people, and he himself dies...A seizure caused the tragedy...Should we loathe all people who suffer from seizures? No. Just like the shooter, and his autism...

 

Touché...

[igotskiz]

I pity the child for the future that is now in hold for them. I hold none of their actions against them. Purely a victim of the situation they were in.

 

And it amazes me that, like everyone else when incidents occur, many in this thread immediately turn to finger pointing, in order to push some kind of stereotype or agenda (ban guns, Americans are stupid, etc).

[sivispacem]

 

Thing is, we do understand American culture. It's just a crap defence for behaving stupidly, and pretty much the biggest contributor to the various social issues that manifest themselves there.

I never said it wasn't. What this woman did was stupid and she was a horrible and irresponsible gun owner. And I'm sorry but many Europeans do seem to just not understand that guns are an ingrained part of American culture and just say they should be banned and act as if overnight we will have a majestical fairyland. I know you aren't one of those and I've seen you argue against blanket gun bans, but I'm sure you can recognize such an ideology exists amongst European.

As for the second part, can you expand on that? Surely you aren't saying that the cultural proliferation of firearms is a chief contributor to societal issues here.. I would say they are no more than a tool that stokes fire to already existing issues. Violent crime doesn't exist as a result of guns.

My point is that the fact guns are ingrained in American culture, and the fact this culture dictates an entitlement not only to access firearms but to use then at the merest hint of provocation, does indeed contribute to societal violence. It's an ideology almost unique to the US.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

I pity the child for the future that is now in hold for them. I hold none of their actions against them. Purely a victim of the situation they were in.

 

And it amazes me that, like everyone else when incidents occur, many in this thread immediately turn to finger pointing, in order to push some kind of stereotype or agenda (ban guns, Americans are stupid, etc).

Would it make you feel better if we blame the NRA? That if the mother had a second gun she could've protected herself against her raging 2 yo old?

 

I saw that comment on another board, Couldn't help but shake my head

[Fonz]

"She was not the least bit irresponsible," Terry Rutledge said.

I can tell that guy is wrong just by reading the headline. Why was she even carrying a gun while shopping with her kids?

Edited January 2, 2015 by Black_MiD

[Dingdongs]

 

 

Thing is, we do understand American culture. It's just a crap defence for behaving stupidly, and pretty much the biggest contributor to the various social issues that manifest themselves there.

I never said it wasn't. What this woman did was stupid and she was a horrible and irresponsible gun owner. And I'm sorry but many Europeans do seem to just not understand that guns are an ingrained part of American culture and just say they should be banned and act as if overnight we will have a majestical fairyland. I know you aren't one of those and I've seen you argue against blanket gun bans, but I'm sure you can recognize such an ideology exists amongst European.

As for the second part, can you expand on that? Surely you aren't saying that the cultural proliferation of firearms is a chief contributor to societal issues here.. I would say they are no more than a tool that stokes fire to already existing issues. Violent crime doesn't exist as a result of guns.

My point is that the fact guns are ingrained in American culture, and the fact this culture dictates an entitlement not only to access firearms but to use then at the merest hint of provocation, does indeed contribute to societal violence. It's an ideology almost unique to the US.I wouldn't say that is the overarching culture though. While Americans by and large do support gun rights, most do support legitimate restrictions like licensing, background checks, and waiting periods. Even 73 percent of NRA members support such restrictions. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/apr/04/lee-leffingwell/lee-leffingwell-says-polls-show-90-percent-america/)

The idea that American gun rights supporters which yes are the majority, simply believe in blanket access to firearms to everyone from convicted murderes to mental patients is a misconception. One that is pretty easy to subscribe to because the voices calling for no restrictions are the loudest. But they are not the majority.

 

As for the part about using them at the slightest provocation, that's again not true everywhere. In Florida we saw the stand your ground law vindicate George Zimmerman for the shooting of Trayvon Martin wherein Zimmerman was the aggressor. In most of the country that doesn't fly. Most states have a castle doctrine but most do not use stand your ground, people have a duty to retreat unless it is your own home that is being broken into. Even in the states that have stand your ground, they do not represent a great amount of the U.S. population (the Deep South and New Hampshire/Maine I think) and I would wager that most Americans believe firearms only should be used as a last resort or if someone has broken into your home, not at the slightest provocation.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Irviding

[darthYENIK]

Darwin Award nominee. Sad as hell, but she did it to herself by allowing a child to be within reach of a gun.

[9i OTD]

The gun would have been loaded and cocked if a two year old could fire it. Again I'm still pro-gun but it's a dumb idea to have a ready-to-fire gun within the reach of someone who can't handle it safely.

[Wayne Daniels]

The gun would have been loaded and cocked if a two year old could fire it. Again I'm still pro-gun but it's a dumb idea to have a ready-to-fire gun within the reach of someone who can't handle it safely.

What's dumb is the law saying you can carry around a gun around. I'm pro gun as well, my family shoots. They have guns in their homes, locked in safes. Just can't imagine what it would be like here if people could just walk out their house and go shopping with a shotgun slung over their shoulder.

 

And I am trying to educate myself better on this by the way. Right now I'm looking at google images, all I'm seeing is people shopping with full on automatic rifles, why the f*ck do you need that to go shopping? What, are you's living in Syria or something? Only the army should have access to those weapons.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Wayne Daniels

[a20characterusername]

What he is trying to get at is that people from other countries do not understand American culture. We see such arguments from Europeans all the time, Piers Morgan being a great example, of Europeans just not quite getting that guns are an integral part of American culture.

 

What I was getting at was that most people who don't live here don't understand our system of laws, at least not fully.

 

When someone says "the right to bear arms is irrelevant because it's on an old piece of paper", it's a non-argument, is what I'm getting at. One because the age of a law doesn't necessarily determine its relevance, and two because the Constitution has been altered many, MANY times since it first came about. THAT is the part that many non-Americans (and sadly, some Americans) either seem to not know or just flat out ignore. Why not apply the same logic to freedom of speech? I mean, that's written on the same old "200 year old piece of paper".

 

I don't care if someone is pro or anti gun, what I *do* care about, however, is the logic used behind the arguments on either side.

Edited January 3, 2015 by a20characterusername

[Niobium]

i was wondering when the posts blaming the mother would come

[Artful.]

 

 

 

The gun would have been loaded and cocked if a two year old could fire it. Again I'm still pro-gun but it's a dumb idea to have a ready-to-fire gun within the reach of someone who can't handle it safely.

What's dumb is the law saying you can carry around a gun around. I'm pro gun as well, my family shoots. They have guns in their homes, locked in safes.

 

Out of curiosity, what do your family own guns for?

 

Anyway, the mother was a complete idiot. It's a real shame for the kid though, he's going to be lied to for the majority of his life or he'll grow up knowing he killed his mum and neither of those are good things.