Will future editions of GTA be the only game we'll ever need?

December 31, 2014

I'm too tired to read the other posts atm so I apologise in advance if someone has already alluded to the point I'm about to make.

Rockstar is a can of baked beans. Beans beans are great, you can use them in loads of different ways and they taste nice. But. It's still a can of beans. It will never beat freshly made meals with fresh ingredients.

Now this makes no sense...tbh it stopped making sense to me after compared R* to a can of beans...but now I have typed too much and feel as if it would be a waste of time to delete everything.

As I am typing this I realise I could of summed my reply up in a much easier way.

So: Jack of all trades, master of non.

This is the phrase that springs to mind. Yes, it has FPS, racing, shooting, flying, a story etc, but it excels in non of these areas when compared to games designed for a specific purpose. Whilst GTA is a great game, it will not be the ultimate answer.

Having said this, it is a great game to come to if as a player you suck at the specific genre games. e.g. suck at battlefied, come into GTA free roam and kill everything cos you couldn't kill anything in BF. Or suck at forza/gran turismo come on GTA and be an 'Elite Racer' and win aaginst people who don't actually care what the end result is as long as they know they've pissed you off during the race.

We will see an influx of these players as the series progresses no doubt!

December 31, 2014

I just want to be able to f*cking sit down.

Thats it.

In world full of benches, beach chairs, stumps, and hot tubs, not sitting down is a deal breaker. First online multiplayer crime sim to offer that and im all in. f*ck gta.

They'd still probably fck it up.

Next Update, SC snapmatic full of images like this:

December 31, 2014

I get the point of OP, but I don't want (or see) the future of gaming being a thing like a "second life". GTA is great because it gives you liberty, but all this liberty wouldn't be good in every game. Sometimes is good to have objectives and a certain line to follow, a history and things like that or else things would get a little lost.

Variety is important.

But isn't that the point of GTA? I never seen a game this varied.

Also people pointed out how it's not as good as *insert dedication format game here*

Rockstar are not experts nor hire experts to make racing feel like Grand Turismo or make sports as in depth as Madden or first person shooters like CoD.

It was never meant to.

But for casuals? This is a fantastic and diverse game in most aspects that replaces most genre's out there. So sure a car can easily go up a mountain. But seen those race cars and how low t the ground they are? They get hung up or have their gizzards ripped from beneath them so easily. You really want to interrupt a race just for that much realism?

GTAO is a casual players dream come true and it fits most of their needs.

Yup, it is. Maybe I was not so clear on what I meant, sorry. The variety I said was other game types and styles, other game titles. (:

I agree that GTA don't need to have a extremely realistic race simulation (or shooter) 'cause it would probably take most of the fun away. The thing with GTA is that we don't need to take anything serious if we don't want to, you can do really stupid and crazy stunts with your bike or you can try to focus on trying to act as close to reality as you want. Is good to have this kind of liberty and the game not being focused only in one way of playing it. And for casuals (as myself) it is great.

But what I meant is that is good to have variety to choose which type of game you want to play. Some people may not like this "do whatever you want" in every game and this is ok too.

December 31, 2014

I have a thesis that future versions of GTA will be the only game we'll ever need. To be perfectly honest, even the current version (on current gen) satisfies most, if not all, of my gaming needs....

...Future GTA games will mean better graphics, better animation, and most important of all, far bigger worlds. There will be more buildings to enter and more things to do.

While I don't think it'll ever become "The only game you'll ever need", I feel that GTA:O is an impressive undertaking, that with a little tweaking could become a truly immersive experience.

I honestly think they should 're issue the online part as its own stand alone game and it could be what we want/need and so much more.

I honestly believe that they will at some point. If GTA:O gains and maintains the traction that R* intends for it to have, I could easily see them releasing it as a standalone game down the road.

It's good but it has massive flaws as well:

- The single player story and the game's general aspect, vibe and environment is far too comedy based, childish and immature. It lacks seriousness, realism and maturity. GTA IV, RDR, The Last of Us etc. all have that.

- Combat is immensely imbalanced as people abuse explosives to no end. 99% of Freemode combat only involves either explosives, miniguns or assault shotguns. Auto-Aim is also heavily reliant on rolling and Bulletproof Helmets force people to wear them if they want to improve.

- Freemode should have had world events, special missions and dynamic activities. There's a special place for constant killing. It's called a Deathmatch.

- Driving Physics given traction are broken. Super Cars can easily climb mountains, drive up grassy/rocky hills and can practically go anywhere full speed. Nobody uses roads in the countryside anymore, it's always a straight line from A to B which is ridiculous. Super cars would break down upon entering off-road terrain.

- Vehicle variety is imbalanced as again, 90% of everyone only uses the car which has the top stats in it's class. Cars should have balanced performance where it's the player's choice to choose with what he wants to race with without any major disadvantages. Super Race = Zentorno, SUV Race = Huntley, Off-Road Race = Sanchez (Which is a motorcycle that's heavily overpowered against all other off-roads)

- Online doesn't have a story or career campaign at all. Everyone is everything. A soldier, a car thief, a drug dealer, a hitman, a jet pilot etc. If they added specific careers for player's to choose from, that would give Online meaning.

Example: Mercenary Career, only in this career do you have Merryweather as a contact. Most jobs you receive are military orientated. Exclusive safe house at the Merryweather Docks with personal helipad. Car Thief Career: All your missions come from Simeon, you get special discounts at LS Customs. You can own exclusive 12 car garages. Everything you do is car related. Each career having an exclusive heist at the end.

I want Online to be an actual MMO. Right now it's just a griefing explosive-ridden deathmatch.

That is what R* actually wanted it to be, but the "muh k/d bruh" crowd has virtually ruined that aspect

Awhile ago I suggested a racing game that was all inclusive. You could change around where your displays went, change engines, open world. Then they made games like Gran Turismo and Forza that literally gave us that and guess what. A new game every 4 years.

That kind of goes into something I had in mind. In the high end garages, we have that area behind glass with a vehicle lift, etc. and we pay a mechanic, yet for any kind of upgrade, we have to go to LSC. I have always though that we should have the option to have our mechanic work on our cars in house. The only difference would be that instead of everything being instant, you'd have sort of a cool-down period depending on what is being done. during that time, the vehicle would be unavailable, and you'd be able to see the mechanic back there with your vehicle "working" on it...

I just want to be able to f*cking sit down.

Thats it.

In world full of benches, beach chairs, stumps, and hot tubs, not sitting down is a deal breaker. First online multiplayer crime sim to offer that and im all in. f*ck gta.

That has always been a strange thing with me as well..That and the fact that you have non useable computers sitting everywhere. standing right next to a computer and your character needs to use his phone to get on the internet?

It's little things that count. With a few slight tweaks that may or may not come, GTA:O could be an even more impressive game than it already is, and one that could keep people interested for years.

December 31, 2014

if they add some sport thing like baseball or basketball, they would have me on the hook for good...

December 31, 2014

if they add some sport thing like baseball or basketball, they would have me on the hook for good...

Have always thought the same thing. The only other games I play are The Show, Madden, NBA2k and FIFA. If GTA had even half-assed versions of those sports, I'd never need to play anything else. Pickup/sandlot/churchyard games would be sweet.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Hoosierdaddy76

December 31, 2014

Variety is important.

Yeah and therefor imo the gaming-industry needs storytelling.

There is no way a generalist will ever beat a specialist....

Sport-, Racing-, Strategy-, Adventure- & RPG games wont die cause of GTA. Same as game-icons like Lara Croft f.e they live for storytelling... they wont be beaten by 2nd life simulations.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Chrunchip

December 31, 2014

You have some pretty low standards if GTA is your go to game, I doubt you have ever touched a PC? Didn't think so, I'll see myself out.

LOL you mean all the free games via theft?

Or the paying more to play on a 1080P tv?

Or having to hope you don't screw up building your own PC yourself without screwing up and damaging your new PC?

Or the huge price of buying if you DON'T build it yourself?

Was PC Gaming from 2000 to 2011 and built all but my first PC.

So please don't think and if you need help I'll see you out. Thx.

2000-2011, so you only experienced like 3 years of the good stuff? And missed out on the next 3 of even better things.

Obviously no PC real gamer, I pay for my games, guess what if you have a job you can afford stuff, yeah weird huh?

Ever heard of Steam? Guess not, there's no shortage of discounts there.

Lousy arguments for an obviously pc-player-turned-hater.

You seem pretty mad too though, I just wrote a silly comment, and you felt the desire to reply with all that nonsense, lmao.

December 31, 2014

GTA has been the only console gave I have needed since my PS2 in 2003

December 31, 2014

So: Jack of all trades, master of non.

This is the phrase that springs to mind. Yes, it has FPS, racing, shooting, flying, a story etc, but it excels in non of these areas when compared to games designed for a specific purpose. Whilst GTA is a great game, it will not be the ultimate answer.

Which is exactly what I said in my OP, and more to the point why I specified future versions of GTA.

More people seem to be getting my point now, but initially all people wanted to do was point out why GTA isn't perfect. Not once have I said GTA is the perfect game, or that it is currently the game to end all games. I did say that it satifies almost all MY needs, but that was just a personal opinion.

No, I'm talking about the future here. I'm talking about a time when all the various elements (FPS / racing etc etc) WILL be as good as their dedicated counterparts. Rockstar is one of the biggest outfits out there, and there's nothing to suggest that in years to come they won't be employing various teams who are expert in their field. This means a dedicated racing sim team, a dedicated FPS team.... and so on and so on.

Mark my words, GTA (or games of this ilk) is the future of gaming. Perhaps to say GTA will be the only game avaialble is stretching things, but I firmly believe the blockbuster genre games of today, will eventually be aimed at a very small market.

Edited December 31, 2014 by OurJud

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

I suppose so, but I fail to see why anyone would buy a dedicated racing sim, in which all you can do is race, when they could have a GTA type game that offers this AND everything else too.

And I stress again, I know GTA is currently a Jack of all trades, master of none, but future future future.

Edited December 31, 2014 by OurJud

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

I suppose so, but I fail to see why anyone would buy a dedicated racing sim, in which all you can do is race, when they could have a GTA type game that offers this AND everything else too.

And I stress again, I know GTA is currently a Jack of all trades, master of none, but future future future.

GTA isn't a racing game. Sure it has a lot of variety but each game type does not surpas that of a dedicated game like Forza or CoD.

December 31, 2014

A lot of people (too many to quote imo) mention the story of SP and Online both lacking but i think you have to be careful with how many cutscenes you put in a game because at some point it becomes overkill and it becomes more of an interactive movie rather than a game. I have my fair share of questions about things mentioned in the game but that just leaves it open for R* to possibly explore later on. I think the story was well rounded, it moved along a lot quicker than i would've liked (mostly in terms of Trevor and Mike falling in and out and such, but they're both prime examples of why therapy is needed in the world).

For online, there's not a whole lot you can do with a story of sorts before you repeat it over and over. You can't have a story nearly as complex and in depth as SP, i doubt even a story 1/10th of what it is in GTA V. The story in Online is loose and sits back because you're replaying the same missions constantly for new profit. Online isn't about the story, it's about the multiplayer aspect and telling a new story every time you play a new mission with a new set of people. You're meant to find new ways to play that mission, solve the same problem, and experience new things as you do it. Online is more about the community than the story. I do think changing seasons would help give a little more structure to it as well as adding things like world events to the news and Bleeter and changing the scenery by maybe "finishing" some of the buildings they're constructing in Los Santos. or having the road construction move around the state. Small things that would change periodically to create development. but that all requires some serious time, effort, and work. Not to mention you wouldn't be able to really do it because of the timeline of Online to SP where Online takes place 3 months before SP does.

So that would require R* to either backtrack on all that, which they could quite easily since there's no direct, definite, evidence linking some of the lines said in SP to Online events. (The first one being when Frank talks about Martin having witnesses and such killed, then when Lester talks about a new guy he's work with and how they're too unstable, etc. those are all "your" online character). I just wish you had been able to actually employ your character as a gunman or something with your stats for the in-game heists, otherwise, what was the point of the off handed reference? An honorable not-quite-a-mention?

One thing can be said, GTA did and always has raised the bar in terms of gaming experiences. R* puts tons of effort into not only the big things in their games but the small details like the choice of names for things, how many of these and thats to put in this scene, what wording to use in this scene, etc. Now with the remastery of V for PS4/X1/PC they raised it again with even more small details added in. They've created their own worst enemy and that's not being able to live up to or create something different enough from GTA V for either an episode or GTA VI, which ever it may be.

~~~~anything i said after that i soon realized was just my late night ramblings so i'm cutting myself off~~~~

December 31, 2014

You have some pretty low standards if GTA is your go to game, I doubt you have ever touched a PC? Didn't think so, I'll see myself out.

LOL you mean all the free games via theft?

Or the paying more to play on a 1080P tv?

Or having to hope you don't screw up building your own PC yourself without screwing up and damaging your new PC?

Or the huge price of buying if you DON'T build it yourself?

Was PC Gaming from 2000 to 2011 and built all but my first PC.

So please don't think and if you need help I'll see you out. Thx.

2000-2011, so you only experienced like 3 years of the good stuff? And missed out on the next 3 of even better things.

Obviously no PC real gamer, I pay for my games, guess what if you have a job you can afford stuff, yeah weird huh?

Ever heard of Steam? Guess not, there's no shortage of discounts there.

Lousy arguments for an obviously pc-player-turned-hater.

You seem pretty mad too though, I just wrote a silly comment, and you felt the desire to reply with all that nonsense, lmao.

........ Are you done with your excuses? Good. Now to correct you.

-3 years of the 'good stuff' ? Isn't one year enough? How many years of the good stuff does it take to convince someone? Who are you to decide what is actually good? Feeling stupid yet? Don't worry you screwed up a lot so there is other examples.

- Obviously you are desparate if you are calling someone you don't know as someone who is NOT a PC gamer. You don't set the standards chap. You have an opinion and a lousy one at that. BTW that's an opinion too. But I don't try to portray myself as reeking with desperation to defend my beloved hobby of theft er- choice.

- I paid for every single one. PC gamers have among them plenty of thieves because it's so easy to steal game companies properties. Why you think Rockstar gave you all the finger for so long? They wanted to sell their game before it was mostly stolen from them by PC 'enthusiasts'. Dude seriously *sniff* you need to change. That desperation of defending your choices is so strong.

- I have and I reject it. Now that you can say is all on me. I never hated PC gaming. But I see why few companies would do more than give PC sloppy seconds or in GTA V case; thirds.

- There is no argument. We both have different opinions and you want to start one with yourself because you came at me almost completely unarmed in ignorance. I cannot fight a delusion.

- Not mad at all. Amused with your reply as it did nothing more than support my claims.

Here's a tip: if you want to discuss like an adult. Use less accusations towards strangers. Use less assumptions. This point I seriously doubt you could find the front door so someone needs to see you out.

Oh and the door is that way you need to turn around first.

=)

Edited December 31, 2014 by Elric_Francis92

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

I suppose so, but I fail to see why anyone would buy a dedicated racing sim, in which all you can do is race, when they could have a GTA type game that offers this AND everything else too.

And I stress again, I know GTA is currently a Jack of all trades, master of none, but future future future.

GTA isn't a racing game. Sure it has a lot of variety but each game type does not surpas that of a dedicated game like Forza or CoD.

GTA isn't because it's more than that? So no it's not a racing game. it's a racer, first and third person shooter, ext,ext-

Racing in GTA is competitive option. It just can't compete against the likes of Grand Turismo on it's own but it HAS a racing game in it as it DOES do everything one can do in a racing game which is- um- race. =)

Kinda like saying Mario Kart 8 or F-Zero wasn't an actual racing game just because it's not ultra realistic or uses actual real life cars.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Elric_Francis92

December 31, 2014

But not the best in story telling which i think is one of the important things for gta and every game. The last of us is the first game i have played to have me attached to the characters emotionally and for a game to do that is amazing.

Better story telling than Destiny lol

IMO, I wish there was an option after beating the story to watch it all play out as a movie and just have short scripted scenes in place of where we did relevant missions.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Fox2Quick

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

I suppose so, but I fail to see why anyone would buy a dedicated racing sim, in which all you can do is race, when they could have a GTA type game that offers this AND everything else too.

And I stress again, I know GTA is currently a Jack of all trades, master of none, but future future future.

GTA isn't a racing game. Sure it has a lot of variety but each game type does not surpas that of a dedicated game like Forza or CoD.

GTA isn't because it's more than that? So no it's not a racing game. it's a racer, first and third person shooter, ext,ext-

Racing in GTA is competitive option. It just can't compete against the likes of Grand Turismo on it's own but it HAS a racing game in it as it DOES do everything one can do in a racing game which is- um- race. =)

Kinda like saying Mario Kart 8 or F-Zero wasn't an actual racing game just because it's not ultra realistic or uses actual real life cars.

The thing about the above exchange between me and am30, regarding the racing thing, is that he completely chose to ignore the fact that I stressed GTA is (in its current state) a Jack of all trades, master of none. Future GTA installments WILL be able to compete in these areas, and that's my argument as to why it may be the only game we'll ever need.

Edited December 31, 2014 by OurJud

December 31, 2014

No.

Obviously.

December 31, 2014

I dont know why ppl hate the story. I for one like it one of the best stories behind gta iv and gta iii

December 31, 2014

Gta is a great game but its not the greatest game. Its not what I thought it was going to be. The trailer stretched out what online was going to be like. I was expecting some type of car show aspect but sadly none of that. Hell the trailer even had jets flying past windows in the apartment. You cant see any of the current action out the window.

I was expecting a more personal experience but sadly that wasn't the case. Now I love gta and everything it has to offer BUT so much more could have been done but I also believe that was due to last gen and the lack of support it could offer.

I honestly think they should 're issue the online part as its own stand alone game and it could be what we want/need and so much more.

But that is up to players. The trailer showed us this wonderful game where people where running around in free-mode doing things together. But the sad reality of it is that players spend 90% of their time in free-mode just trying to kill each other.

And you can see jets (other players) through the window. I've personally done it for friends. Get them in their apartment looking out a certain window. I'll fly low, then go vertical at their building, making my belly scrape their window.

Edited December 31, 2014 by CaliMeatWagon

December 31, 2014

It'll depend what each individual wants from a game.

I suppose so, but I fail to see why anyone would buy a dedicated racing sim, in which all you can do is race, when they could have a GTA type game that offers this AND everything else too.

And I stress again, I know GTA is currently a Jack of all trades, master of none, but future future future.

GTA isn't a racing game. Sure it has a lot of variety but each game type does not surpas that of a dedicated game like Forza or CoD.

GTA isn't because it's more than that? So no it's not a racing game. it's a racer, first and third person shooter, ext,ext-

Racing in GTA is competitive option. It just can't compete against the likes of Grand Turismo on it's own but it HAS a racing game in it as it DOES do everything one can do in a racing game which is- um- race. =)

Kinda like saying Mario Kart 8 or F-Zero wasn't an actual racing game just because it's not ultra realistic or uses actual real life cars.

The thing about the above exchange between me and am30, regarding the racing thing, is that he completely chose to ignore the fact that I stressed GTA is (in its current state) a Jack of all trades, master of none. Future GTA installments WILL be able to compete in these areas, and that's my argument as to why it may be the only game we'll ever need.

I didn't choose to ignore anything, though you need to accept that other will hold different opinions to your own narrow view. If you care to read properly what I wrote (or get an adult to help you as that seems to be required), I am hinting at the whole jack of all trades, master of none scenario. The game is full of watered down game modes compared to that of dedicated games for various gaming activities.

If you are really into racing or flying, you're not going to buy GTA are you? You're going to buy games like Forza and Birds of Steel. GTA is lacking in a lot of areas compared with other games before you can say it would be the only game you'll ever need.

December 31, 2014

GTA V / Online already fulfills nearly all my gaming needs. Yes, it's flawed in a few aspects, but overall it feels like the GTA game I've wanted for my entire life.

I can't wait to see what Rockstar comes up with next for the franchise, although I do know it will take a long time. My next nearly-impossible ambitions for a GTA game: European setting, Pink Floyd on the radio, the return of the Deluxo/ Delorean.

Edited December 31, 2014 by henriquedematos

December 31, 2014