Why do people not like Johnny K?

[don ovdi' island]

 

There's something called opinions.

I'm baffled by this. People don't like JK because "there's something called opinions?"

Why even bother spaming the thread with this nonsense?

What's wrong with you? What is there to be baffled by? What is it that you dont understand? "Why do people not like Johhny K?"

Gee, I dont know why.. it's an extremely subjective thread/topic. Who are these "people"? Why do people wonder why people dont like Johnny K? Why dont people like CJ? There's no answer.. everyone's opinion will vary. Some people may not like him because they do not like biker culture. Others may not like him because of his voice acting. Others may not like him because he wears a leather jacket. Some may not like him because his name starts with J. See where I'm going with this? Why do some people like comedy shows, while others like drama? Because everyone has their own personal taste and opinions on matters. His post was just pretty much saying all that in a condensed form.

 

Personally i never had a problem with Johnny K. he's a better pro tag than everyone in GTA V combined.

[El Tigre chino]

he is a generic protag(gta5 fanboy)

Edited December 31, 2014 by El Tigre chino

[Femme Fatale]

I'd like to ask Rockstar the same thing.

Ask them while pointing a gun at them...

[Drunken Cowboy]

As Johnny K's self-proclaimed number one fan, I don't think a topic like this needed to exist. It's not gonna change anyone's opinions and even if I think people are idiots for having them they're 100% entitled to them.

But to analyze.

 

- The game. Do you think people REALLY like CJ when they post memes about CJ and San Andreas? They're just nostalgic for the game; consequently, saying their protagonist is better. The TLaD DLC was really niche. If people couldn't get around the leather and death metal to enjoy game mechanics and the story, they just condemn it and all the characters involved in it, very unfairly too.

 

- The game vs. game mentality. I think people who like GTA V or like Trevor see these clashes as a game superiority argument. People who liked GTA V or GTA IV have to use hyperbole to drive their point home, saying they f*cking hated Johnny because they merely just liked GTA V more, or people say it about Trevor because they liked GTA IV more. Same goes for people who want to show how much more they liked TBoGT than TLaD... f*cking Saints Row-esque sandbox casuals... Ya'll are ruining the gaming industry.

 

- Superficial analyzing. "Johnny whined about Billy so he must be a whinny loser and Trevor killed a bunch of people so he must be badass." Dig a little deeper to discover the motives and construction of characters, in television, in movies, and in games. Maybe then we'll stop over and under rating characters... Hell, good character exposition and exploration is part of the fun, I'm a junkie for audio logs in sh*t like Bioshock or Watch_Dogs.

 

 

You're totally welcome to hate Johnny and TLaD, but if you're gonna be vocal about it, play the game first with an open mind. Even as someone who likes heavy metal and hogs I didn't think I'd like the game going in and was delightfully proven wrong.

[woggleman]

I like Johnny. I wish him and Trevor would have been allies in V instead of how things turned out.

[Niobium]

Simple, Anti-Semitism

 

 

[Nuke.]

I actually have TLAD on disc, but I played the first mission and I'm finding it extremely hard to continue it. Not because it's bad or anything, but it's legit hard to play as Johnny after knowing his fate in V.

[Niobium]

- Superficial analyzing. "Johnny whined about Billy so he must be a whinny loser and Trevor killed a bunch of people so he must be badass." Dig a little deeper to discover the motives and construction of characters, in television, in movies, and in games. Maybe then we'll stop over and under rating characters... Hell, good character exposition and exploration is part of the fun, I'm a junkie for audio logs in sh*t like Bioshock or Watch_Dogs.

 

pretty much this. a lot of people have never even played TLAD. so when they play the mission "Mr. Phillips", they say to themselves, "well, johnny was apologizing to the man who f*cked his girlfriend, therefore he must be a meth-addicted biker pussy" without realizing that johnny was never a wimp in TLAD. they do not realize that they completely changed johnny's character rather than keeping him consistant, in order to make the trevor-killing-johnny scene work.

[DAD - E]

Trevor hates bikers

[fefenc]

For real? His story was cool and entertaining with all that underground sh*t, he's the third best GTA character for me, Luis is the second one and CJ is the best GTA character ever created.

[Kampret]

I actually have TLAD on disc, but I played the first mission and I'm finding it extremely hard to continue it. Not because it's bad or anything, but it's legit hard to play as Johnny after knowing his fate in V.

 

True. Once you knew Johnny K's fate in V, it's hard to enjoy TLAD's story. F*ck you Trevor.

[The Dedito Gae]

For real? His story was cool and entertaining with all that underground sh*t, he's the third best GTA character for me, Luis is the second one and CJ is the best GTA character ever created.

Lol m8!!

You said a bunch of times that Niko and Johnny sucked and Luis Lopez is better than Mario Bros.

I'm dissapointed to know you are just another CJ fanboy...

True. Once you knew Johnny K's fate in V, it's hard to enjoy TLAD's story.

speak for yourself. Edited December 31, 2014 by Midnight Hitman

[Peachrocks]

I actually don't care for the biker theme, heavy metaletc. much at all still don't but I really liked tlad precisely because it wasn't a stereotype and the characters had so much to them.

 

As for playing tlad after V, considering how well structured and written tlad is and having it end like it does in V makes me see that ending as nothing more than bad fan fiction and I treat it as such. Like it doesn't exist. Hell having a clone of Johnny die in his place would be more logical and consistent with tlad then what was done in V almost anything would be better, almost any way of killing him would be better.

[B Dawg]

 

I actually have TLAD on disc, but I played the first mission and I'm finding it extremely hard to continue it. Not because it's bad or anything, but it's legit hard to play as Johnny after knowing his fate in V.

 

True. Once you knew Johnny K's fate in V, it's hard to enjoy TLAD's story. F*ck you Trevor.

 

Don't have that problem myself. In fact, it shows how bullsh*t V story is

[El Zodape]

Well, I don't hate him. I don't hate any GTA protagonist, to be honest. The thing is, I don't find him interesting. It's like, just like 90% of GTA's protagonists (and probably video games in general), he is nothing special. It's just another guy, with dark sense of humour, raspy voice, good guy who casually does bad things, even if he is a criminal. That kind of personality, I've seen it countless of times, not only in other videogames, but even in other GTA games. I'm especially talking about "the dude who acts bad but is good". Basically, in my eyes, there's not much difference between him, CJ, Luis, and Vic for certain reasons, and there's not much difference between him and Tommy for other reasons. All of these protags only add to the pile of videogaming's "Totally not risky nor inspired and nothing special characters" that I've seen plenty of times over and over again. I'm also including Franklin to that list, and probably Claude aswell. Johnny and the guys I've just listed, are simply not memorable to me. They are cool guys to play with, but I really won't have fond memories of them (Claude being the only exception because of nostalgia).

 

The only characters that stand out from the rest, imo, are Michael, Niko, and Trevor. They've been done before? Sure, but not as much. Nope. Not by a long shot. Since I don't see these kind of protagonists all the time, they are special in my eyes.

 

Also, I don't like bikers all that much.

 

Just my point of view.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Zodape

[MrDeSanta]

Well, I don't hate him. I don't hate any GTA protagonist, to be honest. The thing is, I don't find him interesting. It's like, just like 90% of GTA's protagonists (and probably video games in general), he is nothing special. It's just another guy, with dark sense of humour, raspy voice, good guy who casually does bad things, even if he is a criminal. That kind of personality, I've seen it countless of times, not only in other videogames, but even in other GTA games. I'm especially talking about "the dude who acts bad but is good". Basically, in my eyes, there's not much difference between him, CJ, Luis, and Vic for certain reasons, and there's not much difference between him and Tommy for other reasons. All of these protags only add to the pile of videogaming's "Totally not risky nor inspired and nothing special characters" that I've seen plenty of times over and over again. I'm also including Franklin to that list, and probably Claude aswell. Johnny and the guys I've just listed, are simply not memorable to me. They are cool guys to play with, but I really won't have fond memories of them (Claude being the only exception because of nostalgia).

 

The only characters that stand out from the rest, imo, are Michael, Niko, and Trevor. They've been done before? Sure, but not as much. Nope. Not by a long shot. Since I don't see these kind of protagonists all the time, they are special in my eyes.

 

Also, I don't like bikers all that much.

 

Just my point of view.

The only reason Johnny may feel little undeveloped to some people is that he is the protagonist of the shortest GTA DLC. If he`d be put into full title then i`m sure more people would like him.

 

offtopic;

I wouldn`t count Trevor amogst the best protagonists. Simply because he is overreacted. His overdid personality and agression knocked him out of the top way in the middle.

If they`d tone down his personality and violence for 50% and remove this nonsense with Johnny then he would be great protagonist.

He is interesting that`s for sure but not someone who deserves to be taken seriously.

However i agree about Michael and Niko, these 2 are by far the best GTA protags, with deep personality and background. So they feel more real than Trevor.

 

1. Michael

2. Niko

3. Johnny

4. Vic

 

Vic and Johnny are too underrated and the main reason goes to being only the DLC.title. Just look at which protagonists are underrated and unapreciated amogst fans;

Toni

Vic

Luis

Johnny

 

The ones from DLC packs. But i`m not judging by whetherr it`s just a DLC or full title. If i like some protagonist then i like him even if he has only 22 missions. Unlike Luis he is the type of protagonist that is likable enough even if someone dislike bikers and heavy metal theme. He simply has good personality.

[HaythamKenway]

This cutscene sums up Johnny in a nutshell:

 

 

I mean, what is not to love about this awesome bastard?

Edited December 31, 2014 by HaythamKenway

[OneManCrimeWave]

 

Being honest, he was just bland, boring and uninteresting for me. Nothing was unique about him and I don't see how he qualifies as a supposed "badass" that everyone calls him.

Why Johnny was a badass? To me because he had a strong personality, he was smart and loyal but yet he was the man of authority. He didn`t take no crap from nobody, not even from Billy in the begining when Billy was still the chapter leader.

He had balls, infact he was so brave that he didn`t give a sh*t if he dies. This is confirmed by his own quotations during the shootouts;

"I don`t care if i die"

"let`s get this over with"

"kill me already"

 

Now if this isn`t a badass than i don`t know what it is.

 

Sorry man, but I still don't see how JK qualifies as someone unique or a badass. Everything that you've mention is sh*t that I've seen from other protagonists in the GTA series as well. He's not my least favorite one, (that title goes to that douchebag Luis Lopez), but he's certainly not someone who's interesting or has a long lasting appeal to me either.

Edited January 1, 2015 by OneManCrimeWave

[MrDeSanta]

 

 

Being honest, he was just bland, boring and uninteresting for me. Nothing was unique about him and I don't see how he qualifies as a supposed "badass" that everyone calls him.

Why Johnny was a badass? To me because he had a strong personality, he was smart and loyal but yet he was the man of authority. He didn`t take no crap from nobody, not even from Billy in the begining when Billy was still the chapter leader.

He had balls, infact he was so brave that he didn`t give a sh*t if he dies. This is confirmed by his own quotations during the shootouts;

"I don`t care if i die"

"let`s get this over with"

"kill me already"

 

Now if this isn`t a badass than i don`t know what it is.

 

Sorry man, but I still don't see how JK qualifies as someone unique or a badass. Everything that you've mention is sh*t that I've seen from other protagonists in the GTA series as well. He's not my least favorite one, (that title goes to that douchebag Luis Lopez), but he's certainly not someone who's interesting or has a long lasting appeal to me either.

 

Well, like @dreadluxx already said it`s a subjective thing. One may find him boring and other may adore him.

Diferent tastes i guess.

 

Tbh, i don`t like heavy metal music or the biker scene too much. But i liked Johnny very much. Because of his personality. The game was very interesting to me mainly because of Johnny. Otherwise i wouln`t even play it. Some may love TLAD just because of this whole biker scene but i loved it mainly because of Johnny. He really was a person whom you`d want to have as a friend.

 

But that`s just how i feel.

Edited January 1, 2015 by MrDeSanta

[fefenc]

 

For real? His story was cool and entertaining with all that underground sh*t, he's the third best GTA character for me, Luis is the second one and CJ is the best GTA character ever created.

Lol m8!!

You said a bunch of times that Niko and Johnny sucked and Luis Lopez is better than Mario Bros.

I'm dissapointed to know you are just another CJ fanboy...

If you paid attention to my signature, it told that "Luis is the best HD GTA character ever created", not the best GTA character created.

 

Johnny (TLAD) is cool and fine to me, he doesn't bitch about his life, nor remember us that he's the poor guy every mission, the times I complained about him was the times I've seen how he turned into a pussy on GTA V in comparison to what he was on IV, since CJ doesn't exist on HD era, Luis is my favorite character from the actual GTA era and what they've done with Johnny has made me concerned about a possible Luis apparison on V and the stupid way they'll find to kill him.

 

Niko sucked hard because everything he does is complain about his life in an annoying way, johnny was more badass, but CJ is a myth because we have much more freedom to control CJ's bodytype and his style and we feel that he's trully evolving through the storyline. Niko, by the other hand, only evolves his rants about europe and how dirty America is through IV storyline.

 

EDIT: Niko is an hypocrite, he always makes a sad face after killing someone, but he changes his mind immediately after you put 50 bucks on his hands.

Edited January 1, 2015 by fefenc

[The Dedito Gae]

This cutscene sums up Johnny in a nutshell:

 

 

I mean, what is not to love about this awesome bastard?

holy sh*t!!

Johnny is the biggest hero of the gta multiverse, he just saved the only child in the world!!

[Majestic81]

To me he's a badass. being loyal, real, rational, not afraid to go down for his brothers. he cares about them, he even still cares about Ashley even after all she put him through. thats what i liked about him. basically he's a badass while still being human. he feels like a real character. other than Niko, no one else in GTA has that trait. mix that with his f*ck-you-ness, beer drinking and hell raising attitude and you've got yourself a good character. he also had that survival trait which was in Niko as well. and you could identify with him and the TLAD story if you tried.

 

And thats the reason why people hate him. because he was a realistic character and not a psycho who kills everyone. regardless i think there is more fans who like him than hate him.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Majestic81

[AzelfandQuilava]

Can't really say much about him, since I never played TLAD.

 

I guess it's because "everyone" was raging on these forums about his death (which in my view was complete laziness by the writers), so everyone else who didn't care about it got annoyed at the ragers and following them, Johnny himself...

[MrDeSanta]

To me he's a badass. being loyal, real, rational, not afraid to go down for his brothers. he cares about them, he even still cares about Ashley even after all she put him through. thats what i liked about him. basically he's a badass while still being human. he feels like a real character. other than Niko, no one else in GTA has that trait. mix that with his f*ck-you-ness, beer drinking and hell raising attitude and you've got yourself a good character. he also had that survival trait which was in Niko as well. and you could identify with him and the TLAD story if you tried.

 

And thats the reason why people hate him. because he was a realistic character and not a psycho who kills everyone. regardless i think there is more fans who like him than hate him.

This.

Like i said before, if Johnny would be a real life person then he`d surely be someone whom you`d want to have as your friend.

Loyal and realistic badass.. Johnny and Niko had the best personality amogst GTA protagonists. Even if i like Michael as well, i can`t say the same for him.

 

So yeah i think Johnny has more fans than haters. I think Luis is way more hateable than Johnny. Which is ok because he is real prick with no personality. Unlike Johnny,

[JetsRLove]

Because Niko was a depressing, yet great, character then we get Johnny: an even more depressing character with some cliche,"Oh no, my leader is actually bad" story.

[Uncle Vlad]

Probably the same reason many people didn´t like Niko...they prefer gimmicky characters and not well developed, serious characters.

[will.]

Not a fan of heavy metal or the like irl, but I went in with an open mind, when EFLc was released, like Drunken Cowboy mentioned and I loved it as well. Johnny's one of my favourite protagonists, I remember being damn depressed after finding out the direction R* took his character with GTAV. The feels