PROOFED & RARE vehicle discussion

[OrionSR]

Has anyone ever saved the Andromada on PC? Is this strategy just a PS2 thing? Does PS2 version make a difference?

 

Are there PC players that would want to test Andromada saving strategies using a crafted save? I can't use a Chain Game save since the garages have been tweaked, but I could "unlock" a new save a put an Andromada cargen parked right in front of the hangar door and a FI Rhino in the garage. And a Swat and Firetruck spawn to manage the flames, although the FI Rhino should manage just fine. A force spawning PCJ would probably help more. Satchel? Grenades? Other weapons of setting? What would make the idea test save? Fireproof CJ, infinite sprint. It doesn't take long for me to set up a save to run tests if you want to run the tests.

[DragonpokeZ]

I'm willing to test the save. Right here right now, I have 3 hours non-stop to test it

[Lethal Vaccine]

System Error Guide lists it as unobtainable I guess from PC experience because the wreck immediately will vanish. On PS2, it stays around much longer it would appear. In fact, when jam8tone was around here in February 2015, he was planning on recording himself getting the Unique Andromada, but was gonna do it on the Xbox Version, since it doesn't work on PC says others. His last uploaded Video was 7 months ago and he hasn't been here or his Youtube Channel since then. You guys can try, but I don't think it will work. Plus if Melancholia is saying it can't be taken out of the Hanger without using Health Cheats, I don't really see it important to get...

[DragonpokeZ]

Many things were listed as unobtainable at System Error's Guide and then proven wrong

 

It could be obtained as a novelty, although personally I would just say 'f*ck it' and obtain it on my joke savefile if anything

[Lethal Vaccine]

A lot on that Guide is still accurate, though. There may be new methods and such to get some things, but most of what is on there is spot on with what is obtainable and what isn't. Stuff like the Police Car and the BF-400's aren't on there cuz they are new, of course, nor is the Mobile Device Method for the Sultan and System Error is long gone from the scene...

 

I mean, think about it...Shoot Andromada with Minigun to have it explode. Mission Failed. Now use a Rhino Tank to push it in. If it was that easy and worked, people would have it already...But my theory is, it doesn't work cuz the wreck vanishes...

Edited October 9, 2015 by Militia

[DragonpokeZ]

I've been doing my own testing and I can conclude that... It is possible, but requires too much damn accuracy and patience

 

The Andromada's clipping is horribly glitched. Some parts of the plane aren't solid but if they're sticking out of the garage then the plane vanishes. Even then, once the plane is in, it can't be taken out. The wreck definitely vanishes a lot. Maybe if it didn't vanish, it would be easier to get

[Space Cowboy]

I have tried to obtain the Andromada so many times on the PC; usually I manage to put nearly whole wreck into the garage but then I need to push it a little more and at that point it always vanishes... It led me to thinking that the wrecks on the PS2 don't disappear as quickly as on the PC; I am convinced that there is no other explanation as I have timed the process a few times and it certainly didn't take me longer than the it took the guy on youtube (I am assuming that all of you used the video on youtube where someone uses tank to push the wreck as a reference). I have been told that the Andromada vanishes on the Xbox too but I can't confirm that.

Hmmm,do you have any saves available, Orion? I would be able to run a few tests. I think that the trickiest part is the timing; I remember getting the wreck stuck a few times and it disappeared before I was able to push it further.

[OrionSR]

<Andromada>

 

This is a rather crude save with an Andromeda crammed in the hangar by spawning a new one after the door started closing. I think there's a FI Rhino in the garage but I'm not sure it's of much use. IIRC, CJ has minigun and satchel ammo but the icons are messed up due to the trainer. If you'd like I'll make something with an Andromeda spawn you can push into the hangar as a wreck. But in the end I'm not sure if testing on garaged or gargen vehicles is directly comparable to the wreck in a mission. I suppose I could just surround a large section of airstrip with a giant garage zone - mark it off with skull posts or something so you can tell where the boundaries are.

 

FYI: Don't test with a Chain Game save. rubregg made the hangar's zone a bit taller than normal.

Edited October 10, 2015 by OrionSR

[Lethal Vaccine]

Just a suggestion, but there is a All Missions PC Saves Topic. You could just download one before Stowaway, go pick up a Minigun pickup, go get a Tank from Area 69 or 6 Star Wanted Level and save the game. Then you are set, with the exact ideal conditions to obtain it.

[DragonpokeZ]

That is how I've been doing my testing, actually. That, and spawning Andromadas with trainers

[Space Cowboy]

<Andromada>

I loaded the save and CJ didn't have any weapons (I tried switching but neither icons nor weapons showed up; there wasn't a tank either). The crammed Andromada explodes even after a slightest touch and the wreck immediately disappears. Andromada in Stowaway doesn't disappear that fast but then again that's when I push the wreck and it's not in the garage like in this case. I wonder if it's even worth trying when the wreck disappears as soon as you touch it or get inside. I noticed that in the youtube video the Andromada's cockpit was in front unlike in this save. In which way do you guys push the Andromada in?

[DragonpokeZ]

I pushed it in front and backwards. Both are annoying

[Lethal Vaccine]

That is what I was afraid of. That is why it's classified as unobtainable on PC due to these circumstances. It disappears very quickly. On PS2, it stays around much longer for some reason. But wrecks in front of the Garages like the Sawn Off Shotgunning Vehicles, for instance, will vanish like normal. It's not like those stick around on PS2 or anything. If you take the camera off of them for a brief moment, it disappears and if you get it too close to the Garage, it'll also disappear. So I am not sure why the Andromada wreck stays there for a while on PS2...

[DragonpokeZ]

Can the Cargobob be impounded on any Impound garage?

[OrionSR]

If you are still playing on that chain game save then you'd have to check to be sure. rubregg spent a great deal of time weaking the impound zones to allow as many vehicles to spawn properly as possible. You may just have to go and look. Cheat the first time either way, see what works before collecting it the hard way.

 

My guess, it's too large for anything other than the hangar, or if playing a CG save, the roof of the Doherty garage.

Edited October 11, 2015 by OrionSR

[Lethal Vaccine]

Does anyone know the Mothership Model which when you remove the paintjob it will be White, but also Black? HeroBrineR007 told me there is 3 Motherships and depending on which Model you get, it can be White, with 3 different other colors. Usually it's White and Red. If I get that one, then oh well, but I'd like it to be White and Black. I will have it tomorrow or the following day. Tomorrow or the following day, I will also be done with the Save as I am 94.65% right now and got all the Special Vehicles I wanted but this EC Camper from Riot.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Militia

[OrionSR]

I'm not sure, but so far this hypothesis matches your observations. I think the Unique and Rare Transport Guide has notes on each.

 

All Motherships are white and white. Paintjob 0 is the Mothership.

 

// Are you going to San Fierro?0674: set_car_model #CAMPER numberplate "OUTTHERE" 00A5: [email protected] = create_car #CAMPER at -1077.6 -1650.2 75.3 0229: set_car [email protected] primary_color_to 1 secondary_color_to 1 06ED: set_car [email protected] paintjob 0 02AC: set_car [email protected] immunities BP 0 FP 0 EP 1 CP 0 MP 0// Black Project00A5: [email protected] = create_car #CAMPER at 22.4045 1881.61 16.6484 0229: set_car [email protected] primary_color_to 1 secondary_color_to 1 06ED: set_car [email protected] paintjob 0 00A5: [email protected] = create_car #CAMPER at 22.4045 1881.61 16.6484 0229: set_car [email protected] primary_color_to 1 secondary_color_to 1 06ED: set_car [email protected] paintjob 0 00A5: [email protected] = create_car #CAMPER at -783.169 2430.03 156.23 0229: set_car [email protected] primary_color_to 1 secondary_color_to 1 06ED: set_car [email protected] paintjob 0 02AC: set_car [email protected] immunities BP 1 FP 1 EP 1 CP 1 MP 1 // Riot0674: set_car_model #CAMPER numberplate "OUTTHERE" 00A5: $7997 = create_car #CAMPER at 1242.9 -805.4 82.9 0229: set_car $7997 primary_color_to 1 secondary_color_to 1 06ED: set_car $7997 paintjob 0 

But Campers also have a 3rd color visible. I suspect this color is drawn randomly from carcols.dat.

 

camper, 1,31,1,0, 1,31,1,0, 1,20,3,0, 1,5,0,0, 0,6,3,0, 3,6,3,0, 16,0,8,0, 17,0,120,0

This table is the line above with the 3rd color names described earlier in the file.

 

 

camper, third color

1,31,1,0, white

1,31,1,0, white

1,20,3,0, cherry red

1,5,0,0, black

0,6,3,0, cherry red

3,6,3,0, cherry red

16,0,8,0, light blue grey

17,0,120,0 antelope beige

 

Please let us know if your observations match the predictions.

 

Edited October 13, 2015 by OrionSR

[Lethal Vaccine]

Thanks man. I will let you know either tomorrow or the next day which color I get Anxious to finish SA Mobile and go onto 3 VCS Saves!

[DragonpokeZ]

Yes, the Mothership can spawn with a 3rd color of either white, red, or black. That's why some Motherships look different than others:

 

 

 

 

My personal favorite is the black one Although if you want to decolor it then I think the best one t get would be the white version

Edited October 13, 2015 by DragonpokeZ

[OrionSR]

I'm seeing regular spawns of the light blue grey and antelope beige when spawned by a trainer and with a car generator. These two colors are fairly close to white and it's difficult to tell the difference without forcing the first two colors as while with the car generator. Force spawn car generator's btw, respawn instantly when cleared with a clear area command; never noticed that before, it's pretty handy.

Edited October 13, 2015 by OrionSR

[Lethal Vaccine]

My personal favorite is the black one Although if you want to decolor it then I think the best one t get would be the white version

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you remove the paintjob, they are always White, which is EC, but I am talking about this "other" color on it. I don't want the Mothership paintjob as I have an AP Mothership on PS2 with this hippy paintjob. Usually it will be Red when you remove it which I am fine with as there is nothing I can do about it, I suppose, but if it has this Black with it as well, it would look cooler. This is the one I am trying to go for in Riot. HeroBrineR007 got this one from Riot and then turned it into EC White with this Black in it. The one next to it, is the AP Mothership from Black Project. However, he showed me a Video of him turning this into EC White as well, but it has the RED stripe on it and NOT the Black, like the one sitting next to it...

Edited October 13, 2015 by Militia

[OrionSR]

The grey and beige colors are hard to recognize without white and white primary and secondary colors.

I can't figure out how to link this image back to the larger picture. It looks like the camper has windows that can see through walls.

Edited October 13, 2015 by OrionSR

[Lethal Vaccine]

Wow!!! Awesome, man. I actually like the completely solid White one the best. I didn't know that it could turn into that. That is really cool, actually. Either way, I will be happy with any of the colors I get, though!

 

I'll let you guys know shortly. I am doing 35% Gang War Territory right now (I don't go for 100%, only on PS2) and then I can do Riot and get this Mothership and turn it EC White and pass the final 2 Story Missions and the Game is done. Should be completely done in less than 2 hours. I will post the Save to the Forum when I am done, too. It's less Total Playing Time than my previous Mobile Save and less Mission Attempts, but 10 less Special Vehicles, but Idc cuz the ones I had previously on Mobile are on my NEW PS2 Save which has basically everything I could possibly want other than the DP/EP/FP/MP Police/BF-400, but both of these are on Mobile of course, as well as the AP Sultan, etc...

 

EDIT: I am having trouble losing the paintjob. It was so easy in HeroBrine's Video he showed me. Open, close without looking. Done. Not working for me. It's keeping the hippy paintjob...Wtf...

 

EDIT 2: Yeah, not working. Tried 2 different garages, tried 20+ tries opening and closing it without looking. Never disappears. f*cking bullsh*t. 99.47% with all 18 Special Vehicles I wanted, but can't lose the f*cking paintjob and won't pass EotL until I do this. Stuck...

 

EDIT 3:

seriously doesn't work. Watch the end. He opens and closes it without looking at it and the paintjob is gone within 2 seconds, literally. I opened and closed the Garage like 40 times. Tried running away from it fast while it closed, etc, etc. NEVER disappears. This is getting a bit stupid...

 

EDIT 4: Whatever, I had enough of SA - 99.47% - http://gtasnp.com/tisG9e

Edited October 13, 2015 by Militia

[Bnd]

As far as i know its patched on Mobile becouse it was glitch when you can loose paintjob of "normal created cars" - like when you play casualy, put modified elegy with paintjob in doherty, and drive past garage then after sometime paintjob was gone, so yeah its only my theory its patch, nor it was not working for me as well.

[Lethal Vaccine]

That's strange cuz HeroBrineR007 showed me a Video literally 8-9 days ago of him playing on Mobile and he lost the paintjob and showed me what to do but when I do that, it doesn't work. I am gonna have to send him my Save, I guess, so he can lose it for me. Unfortunately, he barely comes into the Chat we have going on outside of the Forum due to being busy with School and sh*t. Sometimes I don't see him for 3-4 days. So far he's been gone 30 Hours (says the Chat history) so I hope he comes back soon. This is pathetic. All I want to do is lose the paintjob, then pass EotL and be done, but have to wait...

 

I can't post the Save to the Forum until it's done with, as well...

Edited October 14, 2015 by Militia

[Bnd]

Meybe it depends on Version you play?

[Lethal Vaccine]

It's a good point, but I don't believe it's right, either. I mean, he's on Android. I have it for iOS. But my Version is 1.6. His is 1.8, thus newer. But it works for him, there...

 

Whatever, I will just have to wait for him to reply and see the message. I've already posted the Save in our personal Chat, so when he comes back, he'll quickly lose it for me, and then send me the Save back so I can put the EC White Camper where I want it to go and pass EotL and upload the Save to the Forum and be done with SA for good. I need to move onto VCS...

[Bnd]

Good luck with that!!!

 

 

 

You was mentioning you don't like no extra vehicles while back...

You should really check out EP/EC Lightless Taxi in VCS looks like new model in that game.

I don't have picture to show but... its Black "stock" car (actually stock taxi/cop car doesn't exist in VCS)

 

 

[Lethal Vaccine]

Good luck with that!!!

 

 

 

You was mentioning you don't like no extra vehicles while back...

You should really check out EP/EC Lightless Taxi in VCS looks like new model in that game.

I don't have picture to show but... its Black "stock" car (actually stock taxi/cop car doesn't exist in VCS)

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Yes, I know all about the "Got Protection?" Mission to convert 4 Door Vehicles into EP and I know about "In the Air Tonight" to convert anything to EC Black. I also know about Lightless Taxis and Cabbies, but Glitched Vehicles don't really interest me. I never bothered using the EP Conversion, either. I've used the EC Black conversion countless times, though. There is better Vehicles to be obtained than this, imo, and I already have the 36 that I am going for. Same 36 I got before, but instead of a useless EC Black Streetfighter and EC Black Wintergreen, I rather a BP/PP Barracks OL and EC Chrome Red Quad (When Funday Comes - I already will have a FP/PP/TP/EC Quad from When Funday Comes so I will get the Red one which you pass to get).

 

 

[DragonpokeZ]

Update on my collection: I'm out of the country, and on to San Fierro! Obtaining them AP Boxville and AP/EC Maverick is going to be a nightmare though...