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Ziggy455

Anti-Rape Nail Polish: Screw safety precautions, men shouldn't rap

Anti-rape nail polish or no?  

10 members have voted

  1. 1. Is it a viable invention or an insult to women?

    • Yes.
      4
    • No.
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Ziggy455

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/26/anti-rape-nail-polish-stop-rapists

 

I've heard several discussions on this new anti-rape nail polish which, effectively is used to detect altering substances such as the date-rape drug and others. This anti-rapist precaution seems to have pissed some people off though, with people I know, and outrageous feminists claiming that "Women shouldn't have to protect themselves, men should just stop raping us."

 

Well, yeah, okay--that's a very dignified response to a looming threat, but am I the only one who sees some sort of asininity in this? It's like saying that I feel offended in the fact I have to look left and right before crossing the street, when in fact cars should just stop hitting people.

 

My stance is in the far biased side of this being a pro-device with women. Anti-rape nail polish? That seems like a very dependable thing which is open to the public, but do you believe it's actually a worthy invention, or do you believe that it's offensive and that men should just stop trying to rape women? You know my stance, but what about yours?

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Otter

Let's back up for a minute and acknowledge that this is a project with prototypes only, an entry in a funding competion. So while the concept is cool and all, it's just a concept, and the guys who created it aren't sociologists.

 

Your 'crossing the street' allegory isn't fair. Cars are supposed to be in the street. So no, I don't think the 'men shouldn't rape people' position is asinine. I do think this project is good for one thing - raising awareness - but we shouldn't accept that we live in a world where girls need to do this. We shouldn't be telling girls to suspect all men are rapists, because they aren't. Anyone who says otherwise needs to go talk to a therapist.

 

And while that may sound short-sighted... Consider the impracticalities of this thing and the overconfidence it would provide if if it ever struck a false negative. Or the awkward situation of a false positive. It's a super interesting product idea and I'm sure very reassurig to the ultra paranoid... But then again, they wouldn't accept a drink from Bill Cosby anyhow.

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Mr. House

Suggesting that women should have to 'take precautions' via only dressing a certain way or limiting what they do dress is the height of ignorance and insulting to boot, it matters not whether dressing a certain way supposedly decreases your chance of being raped, although that is debatable at best and if there is any remnants of what is called a patriarchy in western society, that attitude is certainly it. However I'm also baffled by the phrase 'we should teach men not to rape'. Firstly, this harkens back to a Ricky Gervais joke stating exactly the opposite, pointing out that society does not need to tell people not to do certain things as they are self evident. I understand the point of the phrase, but it's hyperbolic and rather useless. I have an issue with the notion of 'rape culture' existing. Frankly, I think suggesting the west has a culture promoting rape is quite insulting to any liberal sensibilities in the west. Maybe it doesn't look it so much, but we have moved far from the era of the Vikings. Nobody genuinely considers rape acceptable and in fact I would go as far as to say that your stereotypical male actually reacts very violently to those that rape women; rapists are treated with almost as much public hostility as child killers, quite frankly.

 

I'm not going to deny that there are clear issues when it comes to certain circumstances, such as possible corruption when civil services deal with cases of rape and a certain stigma attached to reporting rape, yet to suggest this culture encourages it suggests a large misunderstanding of this society as a whole. Rapists are likely committing their acts due to mental illness or some active ill will, not the blessing of society.

 

On the matter of preventative measures such as women carrying pepper spray or 'Anti rape nail polish' then I have no profound remarks towards it other than in relation to detractors, to which I would point to the above paragraph, particularly in relation to the 'teaching men not to rape' spiel. I see no issue with this, particularly given the alternative suggested is the useless teach men not to rape or the downright insulting women should dress less provocatively.

 

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Side note; your link is broken and your poll makes no sense. You posed two questions and then gave the answer yes and no.

Edited by Mr. House

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Gay Tony

Don't see how it's insulting.

 

I mean, not walking through a dark alley/shady place at nighttime for anyone is a safety precaution.

 

Well, people just shouldn't rob you, right?

 

 

 

edit: wait a second something isn't right with this poll.....

Edited by mr toasterbutt

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Otter

Dressing provocatively equates to walking down a dark alley? I'm afraid to know what flirting adds up to in this formula...

 

But regardless, yes, stopping robberies is hell of a lot better than deflecting them from select people. :p That's really what the argument boils down to: we shouldn't just accept that 'rape happens' and operate under that assumption as a society. It's not a suggestion that all men are rapists, nor is it a suggestion to throw caution to the wind.

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Ziggy455

I may have been halfway to inebriation when I made the poll.

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Dingdongs

Don't see how it's insulting.

 

I mean, not walking through a dark alley/shady place at nighttime for anyone is a safety precaution.

 

Well, people just shouldn't rob you, right?

 

 

 

edit: wait a second something isn't right with this poll.....

That's true, but I would say this nail polish is more so for women wearing it to feel better & safer when they are going out and to me there is nothing wrong with that. The notion that this stuff is going to prevent date rapes seems pretty ridiculous.

Edited by Irviding

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Gay Tony

Dressing provocatively equates to walking down a dark alley? I'm afraid to know what flirting adds up to in this formula...

 

No at all, I was just saying this shouldn't be insulting for women.

Edited by mr toasterbutt

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Otter

I think the insult is when this line of reasoning is invoked after the fact. IE - 'if she didn't wanna get raped she should have buttoned up her blouse'.

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eroch

I heard the polish doesn't even work that well, and that it's still in extremely early R&D.

 

Either way, people gotta complain about something.

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EphemeralStar

The link doesn't work anymore and the poll question is confusing T__T

Anyway... I think it's a pretty rad concept. I personally don't go out to clubs to drink and what not (because I'm a loser) but I imagine if I did, and if this works, it'd be nice ! I don't get why some would find this offensive.... sometimes people think too hard about something and find reasons to be pissed off with it.

Edited by EphemeralStar

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JessicaAllen

I can't wait for this. It's really hard been a girl and trying to accept a drink.

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Clem Fandango

I have an issue with the notion of 'rape culture' existing. Frankly, I think suggesting the west has a culture promoting rape is quite insulting to any liberal sensibilities in the west.

The point isn't that Western culture aggressively condones rape. Obviously that's not the case. The point is that the culture goes to great lengths to excuse rapes that don't fit a certain criteria (ie, a young, chaste woman being held down), and minimises and trivialise the issue generally. If a jury lets an obvious rapist off the hook because the defense managed to convince them that the victim is sexually promiscuous, there's obviously cultural factors at play.

 

 

 

Nobody genuinely considers rape acceptable and in fact I would go as far as to say that your stereotypical male actually reacts very violently to those that rape women; rapists are treated with almost as much public hostility as child killers, quite frankly.

Again, only in regards to rape that fit a certain criteria. If it's known that you violently held someone down and raped them, you're right that you probably can't show your face at any more parties. But in certain company it's generally considered acceptable to rape someone who's passed out from drink, to continue having sex with someone who has revoked consent, or to physically pressure someone into giving oral sex. In my experience, people don't react violently to those sorts of rape, rather, they rationalise and excuse it.

 

And of course, rampant victim blaming. "She shouldn't have been out drinking" isn't a feminist strawman, it's something that a shocking percentage of the population will say when confronted with news of a rape.

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Dingdongs

I agree with everything you've said, but what about cases of when both partners were drinking? Many feminists would argue the guy is a rapist still.. cases where the girl is not totally blacked out but is pretty drunk and is begging a guy who is only a few drinks in to f*ck her, I mean is that rape? Where is the limit? The point im trying to make is problem isn't our culture but rather the question of where that line is drawn and how you prove these cases.

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Clem Fandango

I agree with everything you've said, but what about cases of when both partners were drinking? Many feminists would argue the guy is a rapist still.. cases where the girl is not totally blacked out but is pretty drunk and is begging a guy who is only a few drinks in to f*ck her, I mean is that rape? Where is the limit? The point im trying to make is problem isn't our culture but rather the question of where that line is drawn and how you prove these cases.

Well, I've been in that situated and turned her down because I didn't want to wake up next to a surprised woman with no recollection of the night before. It's an interesting question, I've been meaning to pose to someone with more understanding of the legal or psychological nuances surrounding consent. I'd think that it's not rape if an incredibly drunk person initiates the sex, or reciprocates physically. They're impaired, but they're still making a clear choice- and how much onus can you put on someone to gage their dates blood alcohol level? Although, if someone is stone cold sober and trying to seduce a drunk hiccuping mess, they should probably take a look at their life.

 

If two people are equally drunk and both consent, it's definitely not rape. They can't both be rapists.

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