do you think we will ever see the downfall of R*?

[DaWiesel]

Whatever, I'm not gonna fan the flames anymore. You have your opinion and I've got mine.

 

It's not really an opinion but anyway, don't worry, I won't bite you.

 

V has the problems it has because they heard the (stupid) complaints that IV had in the past, actually, they listen to his fanbase a lot and that's the problem.

 

Just as "stupid" as complaints towards V maybe. Well, people have different opinions. The only thing we can do is to grow up and respect each other. But with the average age on this forum I doubt that will ever happen.

[The Dedito Gae]

Just as "stupid" as complaints towards V maybe. Well, people have different opinions. The only thing we can do is to grow up and respect each other. But with the average age on this forum I doubt that will ever happen.

Some complaints are justified and some are stupid personal opinions , it really pisses me off when people are complete fanboys or complete haters, people on this forum need to find a balance between both.

[DaWiesel]

 

Just as "stupid" as complaints towards V maybe. Well, people have different opinions. The only thing we can do is to grow up and respect each other. But with the average age on this forum I doubt that will ever happen.

Some complaints are justified and some are stupid personal opinions , it really pisses me off when people are complete fanboys or complete haters, people on this forum need to find a balance between both.

 

 

I'm not anything of both but I lean towards GTA fanboy definitely. I see flaws in both IV and V but I don't take them as serious as some other people. I actually care more for the points that both games did well and don't let the issues overshadow them completely.

[Nah nah nah Gta 6]

 

 

 

And again there's people trying to talk for the rest of the fans that the game was bad, jesus...

 

What we got instead was a cheesy shoot em up...

 

Not as cheesy as III, VC and SA though.

I speak for myself only but lets not pretend that millions of other people don't agree that GTA V is a stain on the series. Over the top missions, terrible writing, forgettable plot, rushed ending, and Michael De Santa is the only protagonist even worth a mention. Sure, you can make the argument that GTA III, VC, and San Andreas were cheesy but them games came way before Rockstar set the bar so high with RDR and GTA IV. All they did with GTA V is try to please casuals and ended up disappointing millions of their core fans.

 

I love how you only mention how bad the story is and not the gameplay, over the top missions were in all GTA's, so why are you complaining the fact it is in V?

GTA III wasn't a huge success because of it's plot, it was the awesome Gameplay.

 

Gameplay? Do you mean the visible bullet wounds that appear on our characters but cause no actual injury animation, look ridiculous, and follow us into cutscenes, or how about the "Special Abilities" that turn our already overpowered protags into superheroes. Let us not forget the super cops who can hit you at 1000 yards with a hand gun right in the head and can track you down regardless of where you go, Trevor's "Rampages" where he can kill 50+ guys with hardly any damage and no "star" received for it, the personal vehicles that are forced on us, the automatic healing health, the rating system that makes you feel like you suck for not playing their way, or the very linear missions...I can go on and on. As for over the top missions, this is not the 3D era so quit comparing it to GTA III.

 

You do realize this is a f*cking video game, not a game trying to be a realistic as possible, when another game such as Max payne does it, it's perfectly ok. You expect bullet holes to just magically disappear? Wow, nitpicking much?

Regenerating health is there because of the increased difficulty, try playing an online survival alone.

Stop comparing it to the older games because they're 3D era? Really? I don't even know where to start on this stupidity, if you compare SA to IV (which are 4 years apart), it's not ok, but it's perfectly ok to compare IV to V (which are 6 years apart), I don't have a problem with people comparing either games, but saying you can't compare them because they're in different eras? GTFO.

 

GTA IV must of been your first.

[woggleman]

If they made another game like IV it would not have been half as successful as V. Many people outside of this forum bought V because R marketed it as completely different from IV. The vitriol V gets on this forum is child's play compared to how IV was loathed most places places outside of here.

 

Some of these people live in an alternate universe where IV was universally loved instead of torn to shreds nearly everywhere outside of this forum. I love IV as much as you guys but I no I am in the minority and R would have been complete fools to make another game in that vein. What says it all to me is that a remastered version of V is much more successful than brand new DLC for IV. What does that tell people? I have a friend who wouldn't touch V until I let him play mine because he was that let down by IV and he has been a long time GTA fan.

 

AA is a guy who is mad that they didn't make Trevor a racist so don't try and argue with him.

Edited December 17, 2014 by woggleman

[American Viking]

 

 

 

 

And again there's people trying to talk for the rest of the fans that the game was bad, jesus...

 

What we got instead was a cheesy shoot em up...

 

Not as cheesy as III, VC and SA though.

I speak for myself only but lets not pretend that millions of other people don't agree that GTA V is a stain on the series. Over the top missions, terrible writing, forgettable plot, rushed ending, and Michael De Santa is the only protagonist even worth a mention. Sure, you can make the argument that GTA III, VC, and San Andreas were cheesy but them games came way before Rockstar set the bar so high with RDR and GTA IV. All they did with GTA V is try to please casuals and ended up disappointing millions of their core fans.

 

I love how you only mention how bad the story is and not the gameplay, over the top missions were in all GTA's, so why are you complaining the fact it is in V?

GTA III wasn't a huge success because of it's plot, it was the awesome Gameplay.

 

Gameplay? Do you mean the visible bullet wounds that appear on our characters but cause no actual injury animation, look ridiculous, and follow us into cutscenes, or how about the "Special Abilities" that turn our already overpowered protags into superheroes. Let us not forget the super cops who can hit you at 1000 yards with a hand gun right in the head and can track you down regardless of where you go, Trevor's "Rampages" where he can kill 50+ guys with hardly any damage and no "star" received for it, the personal vehicles that are forced on us, the automatic healing health, the rating system that makes you feel like you suck for not playing their way, or the very linear missions...I can go on and on. As for over the top missions, this is not the 3D era so quit comparing it to GTA III.

 

You do realize this is a f*cking video game, not a game trying to be a realistic as possible, when another game such as Max payne does it, it's perfectly ok. You expect bullet holes to just magically disappear? Wow, nitpicking much?

Regenerating health is there because of the increased difficulty, try playing an online survival alone.

Stop comparing it to the older games because they're 3D era? Really? I don't even know where to start on this stupidity, if you compare SA to IV (which are 4 years apart), it's not ok, but it's perfectly ok to compare IV to V (which are 6 years apart), I don't have a problem with people comparing either games, but saying you can't compare them because they're in different eras? GTFO.

 

GTA IV must of been your first.

 

Actually, Grand Theft Auto was my first but thanks for playing. And, like I told the other guy, I'm not gonna fan the flames and get this thread locked up. Enjoy your opinion.

[wiizardii]

Let's not jump the shack, this was one game that was not liked in this community, and GTA Online is hated by people including me, but lets not lose the grip here. If GTA VI is all about SP and it is a very good game, people will change their opinion. Don't start hating R* now because of one thing.

[woggleman]

Let's not jump the shack, this was one game that was not liked in this community, and GTA Online is hated by people including me, but lets not lose the grip here. If GTA VI is all about SP and it is a very good game, people will change their opinion. Don't start hating R* now because of one thing.

That plus this forum might not always dislike. Look at IV. It went from a disgrace to god's gift to gaming in V years on this forum.

[DeadByDagger]

GTAV was the most successful Rockstar release to date. And it's a quality game. Now, not everybody likes it, and that's to be expected of any sequel in an established and highly revered franchise. You can't please everybody all at once. There's always going to be the people who prefer one GTA over another and they're never happy with a new one unless it's a replica of their favorite one.

 

The cold hard fact of the matter is that Rockstar takes their time and puts effort into every release. Just because some people don't like it, does not make it a bad game. Opinions are subjective. Personally, I've played every GTA game since the original first released on PC. I love each game for different reasons, and GTAV is no different. Sure, I miss features from earlier releases, but I can always go back to those games and play them whenever I want.

 

Until Rockstar releases an actual technical mess that isn't just the vocal minority complaining that the game isn't what they envisioned in their heads, Rockstar's in no danger.

[Drunken Cowboy]

 

 

I think GTA V is the Modern Warfare II in the progression, still has a lot of critical acclaim, but the loyal fans are keeping a bemused attitude toward their current bullsh*t and future titles.

Here's hoping GTA VI is World at War and not Black Ops 2.

So, not only wherever you go you spit hate on GTAV, but now you also do that on MW2 and BO2? Mlol... keep denying greatness.

Are you trolling or calling Black Ops 2 a good game? If it's the latter, I'm calling the president of the internet to put "tasteless know-nothing" on all your internet accounts.

[Shenmue18]

 

If they can come out with a game as bad as GTA V and still get people to not only buy their future games, but give them critical acclaim, they're fine. Rockstar isn't going to receive anywhere near as much backlash for the problems their games have as other devs would just because they're Rockstar.

Meanwhile in reality, millions of people see GTA V as an awesome game. So you're in the minority.

 

I just said, the majority of people have and will continue to give GTA games an overwhelming amount of critical acclaim, no matter what type of problems the game has. There's also plenty of people who like the game, but have complained about its flaws, especially the online issues it has had. My point is that those people are going to be willing to put up with those flaws and continue to buy Rockstar's games, even if they wouldn't if it was a different developer.

 

Millions of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, so I really couldn't care less what a lot of the masses think, that's not going to sway my opinion on the game.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Shenmue18

[helpplease]

Well San Andreas was a horrific excuse of a game but everyone lauds it so I dont think R* can do any harm.

[Jerome]

Some complaints are justified and some are stupid personal opinions , it really pisses me off when people are complete fanboys or complete haters, people on this forum need to find a balance between both.

This. I don't like people that can't see both sides of the medal, people that think V is the worst game ever made (worst than E.T lol, 12 year olds) and people praising IV and almost making love to their GTA IV copy (that they used to hate before V was released)

Each games has it's pros and cons, GTA V's not perfect, IV's neither. People must learn to deal with it.

 

OT: I hope I'll never get to see that.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Economically? No. In fact I think it'll only increase for years to come. As far as the quality of their games though? In my opinion, yes. If VI is anything like V but even more GTA:Online focused and less focused on SP and the little details, then I won't buy it and I'll stop caring about GTA as a whole. I'll be in college by then so I doubt I'll really care anyway as I won't have much time I'm sure.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Sting4S

[UshaB]

Yes.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

They are fine for the time being because we're always anticipating the next game and personally, I will continue to eat up everything they serve me because it's like a drug and I always found some fun in every 3D GTA game they release.

 

Funny how opinions differ because here we have some people saying V was a disappointment after the "epic" IV yet I feel the complete opposite and thought IV was ten step backwards after SA which V has now put a fix on by bringing back all the fun features that IV robbed us off. And I still enjoyed playing IV for what it was.

[CarnageRacing00]

If they made another game like IV it would not have been half as successful as V. Many people outside of this forum bought V because R marketed it as completely different from IV. The vitriol V gets on this forum is child's play compared to how IV was loathed most places places outside of here.

 

Some of these people live in an alternate universe where IV was universally loved instead of torn to shreds nearly everywhere outside of this forum. I love IV as much as you guys but I no I am in the minority and R would have been complete fools to make another game in that vein. What says it all to me is that a remastered version of V is much more successful than brand new DLC for IV. What does that tell people? I have a friend who wouldn't touch V until I let him play mine because he was that let down by IV and he has been a long time GTA fan.

 

AA is a guy who is mad that they didn't make Trevor a racist so don't try and argue with him.

 

GTAV was the most successful Rockstar release to date. And it's a quality game. Now, not everybody likes it, and that's to be expected of any sequel in an established and highly revered franchise. You can't please everybody all at once. There's always going to be the people who prefer one GTA over another and they're never happy with a new one unless it's a replica of their favorite one.

 

The cold hard fact of the matter is that Rockstar takes their time and puts effort into every release. Just because some people don't like it, does not make it a bad game. Opinions are subjective. Personally, I've played every GTA game since the original first released on PC. I love each game for different reasons, and GTAV is no different. Sure, I miss features from earlier releases, but I can always go back to those games and play them whenever I want.

 

Until Rockstar releases an actual technical mess that isn't just the vocal minority complaining that the game isn't what they envisioned in their heads, Rockstar's in no danger.

 

You guys are dead on. Anyone claiming V to be a rushed, featureless, bland piece of trash of a game is CLEARLY blowing it way out of proportion. When you put IV and V up against each other, the differences are clear as day. There's nothing to debate - V is a more complete, more detailed, feature-filled and open gaming experience than IV, there's just no question. People may not like some of the choices Rockstar made as far as gameplay mechanics, but welcome to the f*cking club, I'm sure the people who complained about IV's driving and cover and shooting mechanics will scoot over and make room for you.

 

 

Let's not jump the shack, this was one game that was not liked in this community, and GTA Online is hated by people including me, but lets not lose the grip here. If GTA VI is all about SP and it is a very good game, people will change their opinion. Don't start hating R* now because of one thing.

Not liked in this community? No, I wouldn't really even go that far. Yeah, there are people on this forum that don't like (or at least, they SAY they don't like it, but i have the suspicion that they really do... just like the people who claim to hate CoD "I'm never buying CoD again!" and then they're at the midnight release for the next game in the series).

 

But if you look at the polls taken, V is usually more popular. In some cases, by a wide margin.

 

Now if you look at "communities" outside of GTAF, GTA V is insanely popular and beloved by many gamers. Does anyone claim it to be a perfect game? No! I LOVE the game but it still pisses me off almost every time I play it.

 

That said, I can't think of any game, ANY game that has never presented a fault to me. Half-Life 2 is probably #1 on my all time most respected and most beloved games of all time list, and I can STILL give you a list of things I didn't like about it - even one or two things I downright hated.

 

The difference between me and a lot of people, though, is that I'm still able to see the forest through the trees.

 

Yeah, GTA V pisses me off a lot, and there are problems with the game, and maybe some missed opportunities for awesome content (why can't we create races with semi trucks and trailers/buses/firetrucks in GTAO?), but overall, the game is still an incredibly fun game with the potential for some of the most exciting, hair raising and rewarding emergent gameplay experiences that can be found in ANY game.

 

If the game doesn't suit your preferences for play style, you should probably move on to other games. I don't get mad at Call of Duty for not having vehicles and wide open maps, I just don't play Call of Duty. I don't spend all day on the Call of Duty forums creating threads trying to convince everyone else in the world that the game is trash - I just don't f*cking play it because i don't like it.

 

It's a simple concept that not many people seem able to grasp.

 

If you don't like GTA V, MOVE THE f*ck ON. I hear Saints Row is EXACTLY the game most of you are looking for.

[Raiden1018]

Uh-Oh! Stoney in a thread that's not sniffing R*s crotch? Now it's a party!

[Shenmue18]

Not happening. After V having a great story with huge gameplay improvments a map that's bigger than all the others they made and an awesome online mode (full of money glitches though). Not anytime soon. Im just happy they kept their cool after these 2 years that atracted a horrible fanbase of bitchers and trolls.

[Son of Zeus]

 

 

Not happening. After V having a great story with huge gameplay improvments a map that's bigger than all the others they made and an awesome online mode (full of money glitches though). Not anytime soon. Im just happy they kept their cool after these 2 years that atracted a horrible fanbase of bitchers and trolls.

Actually, if you see V's story properly, it perfectly fits in the GTA spirit. It's got epic shootouts, chases, crazy chars and big heists. That's the kind of story a GTA needs, not IV's. IV's story just doesn't fit in the Grand Theft Auto spirit. Boring, monotonus and depressing. GTA is all about laughing like a maniac while shooting sh*t, not crying over decisions like in IV. Not that V's is perfect, but it beats IV's in terms of the GTA spirit.

[donnits]

Boring, monotonus and depressing.

Epic, compelling and authentic is more like it.

[Son of Zeus]

 

 

Boring, monotonus and depressing.

Epic, compelling and authentic is more like it.

Your opinion.

I'm not saying it's a bad plot. Heck, I've read tons of novels with similar plots and liked them. What I'm saying is that that type of plot is best suited for novels and movies, not hardcore action video games like GTA. R* realised that, and made V completely opposite. The problem with IV was that it took itself too seriously. GTA isn't meant to be serious.

[PhillBellic]

Some would say that it is already beginning. Having said that, If Rockstar can redeem themselves with VI and learn from the mistakes in regards to GTA V, they may avoid that fate.

[Shenmue18]

 

 

Not happening. After V having a great story with huge gameplay improvments a map that's bigger than all the others they made and an awesome online mode (full of money glitches though). Not anytime soon. Im just happy they kept their cool after these 2 years that atracted a horrible fanbase of bitchers and trolls.

Actually, if you see V's story properly, it perfectly fits in the GTA spirit. It's got epic shootouts, chases, crazy chars and big heists. That's the kind of story a GTA needs, not IV's. IV's story just doesn't fit in the Grand Theft Auto spirit. Boring, monotonus and depressing. GTA is all about laughing like a maniac while shooting sh*t, not crying over decisions like in IV. Not that V's is perfect, but it beats IV's in terms of the GTA spirit.

 

If that's what GTA is going to be from here on out, just mindless bullsh*t with no substantial plot points, or unique characters and it's going to be a Michael Bay movie, then I certainly have no interest in GTA VI. If that's what you enjoy, more power to you. For me, there's nothing in the game's story that makes it better than a Call of Duty or Battlefield campaign, just a bunch of over the top retarded sh*t going on with no character development or intriguing story behind it whatsoever.

 

Don't get my wrong, GTA IV had some over the top stuff in it too, like the last missions and Three Leaf Clover, that's part of what I liked about it, it had some over the top stuff that someone who doesn't care for a in-depth storyline, and just wants some crazy action scenes but didn't go TOO overboard with it and just make it into, as I said before, a Michael Bay movie like GTA V did.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Shenmue18

[woggleman]

 

 

 

Not happening. After V having a great story with huge gameplay improvments a map that's bigger than all the others they made and an awesome online mode (full of money glitches though). Not anytime soon. Im just happy they kept their cool after these 2 years that atracted a horrible fanbase of bitchers and trolls.

Actually, if you see V's story properly, it perfectly fits in the GTA spirit. It's got epic shootouts, chases, crazy chars and big heists. That's the kind of story a GTA needs, not IV's. IV's story just doesn't fit in the Grand Theft Auto spirit. Boring, monotonus and depressing. GTA is all about laughing like a maniac while shooting sh*t, not crying over decisions like in IV. Not that V's is perfect, but it beats IV's in terms of the GTA spirit.

 

If that's what GTA is going to be from here on out, just mindless bullsh*t with no substantial plot points, or unique characters and it's going to be a Michael Bay movie, then I certainly have no interest in GTA VI. If that's what you enjoy, more power to you. For me, there's nothing in the game's story that makes it better than a Call of Duty or Battlefield campaign, just a bunch of over the top retarded sh*t going on with no character development or intriguing story behind it whatsoever.

 

Don't get my wrong, GTA IV had some over the top stuff in it too, like the last missions and Three Leaf Clover, that's part of what I liked about it, it had some over the top stuff that someone who doesn't care for a in-depth storyline, and just wants some crazy action scenes but didn't go TOO overboard with it and just make it into, as I said before, a Michael Bay movie like GTA V did.

 

With the exception of IV and TLAD that is what GTA always has been about. IV was a departure for the series. It's still a great game but it took a different approach and one that many people didn't like until recently.

[Osho]

First off, Rockstar don't churn out new games, be it GTA series or not, annually. Its the said quality of their game that brings back fans to GTA and other series hits like Max Payne, and even in future with RDR.

Heck even Heists took a lot of time to finish as they were putting a lot of efforts the more they tested, till all the levels of satisfaction were met and improvements that players would like to enjoy that would greatly improve their experience without much problems.

We know that they are very different and strongly focused on the kind of work ethics and values they follow, without giving two sh*ts about the competition.

I think this might help to keep them on the top, or at least, popular, since I don't find any other developer even close to the time and efforts Rockstar invests behind just one game.

Though I do feel they are kind of slow or few years behind when it comes to improving the concept and the dynamics of the GTA game further more outside the fancy graphics and details on show, but otherwise, the thing to remember is that they are still very much the pioneers of the genre and with 40 plus years worth of ideas they are going to test a lot more, and bring a lot of surprises to the gaming experiences.

[Algonquin Assassin]

GTA IV has plenty of epic shootouts, chases, crazy characters (Jeff and Eddie Low say hi) and an epic heist to boot. If GTA V fits the "GTA spirit" by this criteria than why doesn't GTA IV?

 

People can say what they like about GTA IV being too serious, but at least it's honest from start to finish and the lighter moments fit in accordingly.

 

Niko's interaction with Vlad is some of the most genuinely humouress work in the series yet it's generally overlooked because GTA IV doesn't try to ram down cheap laughs in every cutscene.

[cryptorelic]

GTA IV has plenty of epic shootouts, chases, crazy characters (Jeff and Eddie Low say hi) and an epic heist to boot. If GTA V fits the "GTA spirit" by this criteria than why doesn't GTA IV?

 

People can say what they like about GTA IV being too serious, but at least it's honest from start to finish and the lighter moments fit in accordingly.

 

Niko's interaction with Vlad is some of the most genuinely humouress work in the series yet it's generally overlooked because GTA IV doesn't try to ram down cheap laughs in every cutscene.

I wanted to comment but i just could have not been able to say it any better.

[Jerome]

Niko's interaction with Vlad is some of the most genuinely humouress work in the series yet it's generally overlooked because GTA IV doesn't try to ram down cheap laughs in every cutscene.

Agreed, The game is serious but you can still have a giggle at some points, especially with Vlad and his famous insult : Dumb Yokel

V has funny points too, but it's a different type of humor, it's more of the crazy humor we've saw in previous games.

[PhillBellic]

GTA IV has plenty of epic shootouts, chases, crazy characters (Jeff and Eddie Low say hi) and an epic heist to boot. If GTA V fits the "GTA spirit" by this criteria than why doesn't GTA IV?

 

People can say what they like about GTA IV being too serious, but at least it's honest from start to finish and the lighter moments fit in accordingly.

 

Niko's interaction with Vlad is some of the most genuinely humouress work in the series yet it's generally overlooked because GTA IV doesn't try to ram down cheap laughs in every cutscene.

I guess you could say that the humour in IV is more intelligent and subtle.