mr.burton Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Hey guys right now i have a 60 inch Samsung plasma f5300. It looks great with movies, and GTA but...... Walmart has a 50 inch Vizio 4K tv which is 120hz for $898. Now for strictly gaming, is it even worth it to make the jump? I believe ps4 only outputs to max 60fps and 60hz so anything higher like 120hz or 240hz is just added on technology from the tv and thus NOT native. The other thing is upscaling to a 4K resolution. Will this cause input lag? Advice? Edited December 16, 2014 by mr.burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) 4k on a console....LolNiceTry you arent getting 4K graphics with a console regardless of the TV you buy The max resolution you'll get off of a NG console is 1080p but with around 30fps or a bit more most games closer to 60fps on NG vary between 720p to less than 1080p only PC (master race ) will allow 4K 60fps on your television Edited December 16, 2014 by Winning001 Drill Sergeant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG14876 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Aside from the resolution and all that, don't plasma screens suffer Burn-In faster than LCD/LED? Playing GTA or similar games is bound to cause the HUD to stick... Apparently new TVs don't have this issue anymore... Edited December 19, 2014 by GG14876 visionist and Drill Sergeant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimsDaniel916 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) 4k on a console....LolNiceTry you arent getting 4K graphics with a console regardless of the TV you buy The max resolution you'll get off of a NG console is 1080p but with around 30fps or a bit more most games closer to 60fps on NG vary between 720p to less than 1080p only PC (master race ) will allow 4K 60fps on your television OP definitely said that he was referring to upscaling, not native 4K. OT: I also have a 4K TV and the upscaling is amazing. I didn't think it would make much of a difference but GTA V and many other games ended up looking quite a bit nicer. By getting a 4K TV, you are also "future proofing" as 4K will soon be popular with lots of content. As for Plasma's, those are rarely even being made right now so I think 4K would definitely be your best option. As for getting that model at Walmart, I recommend going somewhere else such as Best Buy or Amazon and paying $100 more in order to get the 240hz model as the more hz will make your gaming experience much more smooth and overall better. The Hertz on a TV definitely DOES matter, go to a store where you can see TV's in action such as Best Buy and compare a 120hz to a 240hz, the latter will look much more smooth. Edited December 17, 2014 by SimsDaniel916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epoxi Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 OT: I also have a 4K TV and the upscaling is amazing. I didn't think it would make much of a difference but GTA V and many other games ended up looking quite a bit nicer. By getting a 4K TV, you are also "future proofing" as 4K will soon be popular with lots of content. As for Plasma's, those are rarely even being made right now so I think 4K would definitely be your best option. The previous generation GTAV ran at 720p and was upscaled to 1080p but this generation's GTAV runs at 1080p, so arguably the benefit you are seeing now is due to the improved resolution of the game itself as opposed to its upscaling to 4k. While you may be right that the upscaling to 4k may give some benefit, I do not think the expense of a 4k TV is justified unless you are running content that itself is 4k. mr.burton stands to save a lot of money for very little disadvantage if he sticks to using a reliable 1080p LCD TV now and buying a 4k TV when it is cheaper and has a wealth of content available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimsDaniel916 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) OT: I also have a 4K TV and the upscaling is amazing. I didn't think it would make much of a difference but GTA V and many other games ended up looking quite a bit nicer. By getting a 4K TV, you are also "future proofing" as 4K will soon be popular with lots of content. As for Plasma's, those are rarely even being made right now so I think 4K would definitely be your best option. The previous generation GTAV ran at 720p and was upscaled to 1080p but this generation's GTAV runs at 1080p, so arguably the benefit you are seeing now is due to the improved resolution of the game itself as opposed to its upscaling to 4k. While you may be right that the upscaling to 4k may give some benefit, I do not think the expense of a 4k TV is justified unless you are running content that itself is 4k. mr.burton stands to save a lot of money for very little disadvantage if he sticks to using a reliable 1080p LCD TV now and buying a 4k TV when it is cheaper and has a wealth of content available. When I first got my 4K TV, I ran GTA V at upscaled 4K next to my 1080p TV and the difference is clear as day. 4K TV's come with technology that automatically upscales 1080p picture. The benefit I'm seeing is definitely not just because of the upgrade from old generation because I played the game for two weeks on my old 1080p TV before I got my 4K TV. 4K TV's have already gone down in price and for the TV that the OP mentioned, a 1080P TV with the same specs would only be around $200 cheaper and I think that getting a WAY better picture is definitely worth the extra $200 especially since you won't be needing a new TV for a very long time. Edited December 17, 2014 by SimsDaniel916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.burton Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thanks for the wealth of info guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I think that comes down to a few factors though, anything up scaled will appear soft if the display is larger enough. Granted, 4K or 5k or the like are all such a high pixel density that this would probably not be a major factor. For dollar value/performance I think I'd stay with 1080p LED for the next few years. Finn 7 five 11 and Drill Sergeant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Aside from the resolution and all that, don't plasma screens suffer Burn-In faster than LCD/LED? Playing GTA or similar games is bound to cause the HUD to stick... Incorrect. Older model plasmas might suffer burn in (2005 -2008) but after that it's rare, once you break the tv in with a few hundred hours of watching it becomes extremely unlikely. Newer plasmas also have "pixel shift" technology, so if the display is static for x amount of minutes the t.v. swaps pixels around to stop burn in. Honestly I wouldn't upgrade, most plasmas look better than LED tv's anyway, they also don't suffer weird lighting problems and naturally handle fast motion slightly better with less blur at the same refresh rate, besides which 120hz settings make for a "soap opera effect" which makes the picture look strange because the t.v.is basically adding extra frames into each refresh cycle to make it appear smoother. Only reason to upgrade would be for power saving, but personally I'd get an OLED as they're much better than the LCD with LED backlighting and are extremely power efficient like the LED LCD combo. visionist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG14876 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Aside from the resolution and all that, don't plasma screens suffer Burn-In faster than LCD/LED? Playing GTA or similar games is bound to cause the HUD to stick... Incorrect.Older model plasmas might suffer burn in (2005 -2008) but after that it's rare, once you break the tv in with a few hundred hours of watching it becomes extremely unlikely. Newer plasmas also have "pixel shift" technology, so if the display is static for x amount of minutes the t.v. swaps pixels around to stop burn in. Ah, thought they would have come up with something to mitigate that issue. Thanks for the info. But... how would the TV swap pixels? My searches turn up random games and I'm unable to quite wrap my head around a pixel could be moved or swapped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Aside from the resolution and all that, don't plasma screens suffer Burn-In faster than LCD/LED? Playing GTA or similar games is bound to cause the HUD to stick... Incorrect.Older model plasmas might suffer burn in (2005 -2008) but after that it's rare, once you break the tv in with a few hundred hours of watching it becomes extremely unlikely. Newer plasmas also have "pixel shift" technology, so if the display is static for x amount of minutes the t.v. swaps pixels around to stop burn in. Ah, thought they would have come up with something to mitigate that issue. Thanks for the info.But... how would the TV swap pixels? My searches turn up random games and I'm unable to quite wrap my head around a pixel could be moved or swapped... The whole display gets shifted. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shifting GG14876 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG14876 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The whole display gets shifted. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shifting Of course, the one time I don't use Wikipedia to search... Thanks, that clears up my question. Finn 7 five 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) My Samsung PS51E550 (bought it 2 years ago) does suffer from burn-in (even though it has pixel shifting enabled). But it's barely visible and temporary (TV's internal software has an option to remove burn-ins and it does the job). Edited December 19, 2014 by yojo2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimsDaniel916 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 My Samsung PS51E550 (bought it 2 years ago) does suffer from burn-in (even though it has pixel shifting enabled). But it's barely visible and temporary (TV's internal software has an option to remove burn-ins and it does the job). That was my previous TV before I purchased my 4K Samsung TV and I have the GTA IV Mini Map burned into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard1997jones Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 4k on a console....LolNiceTry you arent getting 4K graphics with a console regardless of the TV you buy The max resolution you'll get off of a NG console is 1080p but with around 30fps or a bit more most games closer to 60fps on NG vary between 720p to less than 1080p only PC (master race ) will allow 4K 60fps on your television 4K is for the cinema only in my opinion. It's too soon for shops to be selling 4k tv's when blu-ray has only just taken off. It's pointless spending big money on a 4k tv because it has no benefit to you (YET). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Netflix has 4K content and PCs can put out 4K gaming. So that's not quite accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiniat Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) The previous generation GTAV ran at 720p and was upscaled to 1080p but this generation's GTAV runs at 1080p, so arguably the benefit you are seeing now is due to the improved resolution of the game itself as opposed to its upscaling to 4k. GTA V had two frame buffers one with sub 720p output, presumably 698p (but im not sure), which shouldnt come off as surprising, Halo 3 for instance had two 640p frame buffers so it could render stuff up to 16km. When I first got my 4K TV, I ran GTA V at upscaled 4K next to my 1080p TV and the difference is clear as day. 4K TV's come with technology that automatically upscales 1080p picture. The benefit I'm seeing is definitely not just because of the upgrade from old generation because I played the game for two weeks on my old 1080p TV before I got my 4K TV. 4K TV's have already gone down in price and for the TV that the OP mentioned, a 1080P TV with the same specs would only be around $200 cheaper and I think that getting a WAY better picture is definitely worth the extra $200 especially since you won't be needing a new TV for a very long time. Wait a moment, what kind of postprocessing is that TV using? does it cause display lag? I think that comes down to a few factors though, anything up scaled will appear soft if the display is larger enough. Granted, 4K or 5k or the like are all such a high pixel density that this would probably not be a major factor. For dollar value/performance I think I'd stay with 1080p LED for the next few years. No; the larger the screen the smaller the lower the pixel density and thus the more pixelated the picture seems. Or maybe im not getting what youre trying to say, but yes, 4K is too high for it to matter. Also my personal recommendation would be an OLED (or just LED) monitor, with 1080p and 60hz. The input lag is SO SMALL, i cant use LED TVs anymore Edited January 29, 2015 by reiniat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimsDaniel916 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 When I first got my 4K TV, I ran GTA V at upscaled 4K next to my 1080p TV and the difference is clear as day. 4K TV's come with technology that automatically upscales 1080p picture. The benefit I'm seeing is definitely not just because of the upgrade from old generation because I played the game for two weeks on my old 1080p TV before I got my 4K TV. 4K TV's have already gone down in price and for the TV that the OP mentioned, a 1080P TV with the same specs would only be around $200 cheaper and I think that getting a WAY better picture is definitely worth the extra $200 especially since you won't be needing a new TV for a very long time. Wait a moment, what kind of postprocessing is that TV using? does it cause display lag? I'm not quite sure of the exact processing specs but I know it has a quad core processor and I never really experience lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Yeah, sorry reinat, I'm saying that watching, for instance, 1080p content on a 4K display will be a little softer than watching 1080p content on a 1080p display. Simply because of the nature of how images are scaled up - it's not uniform. But again, this is stuff you'd only notice on rather large displays. Or if you've got a trick eye like mine. Finn 7 five 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionist Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I notice all sorts of anomolies in picture quality on even the very best mastered blurays, thanks to sitting around 4.5 feet from a 65" display. I'd have gotten a bigger screen but Panasonics's VT series plasmas don't go that big, due to the glass screen weighing a hell of a lot. I watch films and don't notice the black bars at all; they blend into the room. It's fantastic and the only way forward is OLED; both it and 4K are premature for now, with nothing to watch on disc (4K Bluray hits this Christmas). Finn 7 five 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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