I want to hear your opinions about these moments in GTA V

[American Viking]

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

 

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

[Maxxeine]

That part with Franklin and the dog always confused me. What was that dog's purpose to begin with?

[American Viking]

That part with Franklin and the dog always confused me. What was that dog's purpose to begin with?

The dog only led Franklin to Dom who was stranded in a tree. I'm not sure if you were asking the dog's actual purpose, or if you were hinting to the dog's irrelevancy.

[79'Blazer4x4]

1) I think Michael backed off not from fear of Haines himself, but from fear of getting on the FIB's sh*t list(knowing Haines was a higher up in the FIB and would have no objections with f*cking Michael over). Similar to the dock heist where they put back the superweapon but on a lesser scale.

 

2) This one confused me quite a bit too, any of the theories you mentioned could be true. My theory is that the dog was a ghost of some sort haunting that park(similar to the Mount Gordo ghost but a lot less distressed and withdrawn, therefore appearing as a full opaque being rather than a translucent spirit) and decided to reveal itself to Franklin after witnessing Dom crashing into the tree. Perhaps it was telepathically communicating with him somehow.

 

3) I agree, that's the biggest dick move Jimmy could have possibly pulled and it made me hate him a lot for most of the game.

 

4) I wasn't as particularly upset at Trevor killing Johnny as I was at the way they portrayed Johnny in V. At the end of TLaD he had broken up with Ashley and pretty much cut contact with her due to her drug habit, had a seemingly big objection to drugs in general and was all around logical and sensible(for a murderous biker) and nothing ever seemed to get to him. In V he's a total emotional pussy who gets frantically upset over every little thing, a drug addict and he obsesses over Ashley, It's just stupid and in complete contrast to the whole character that TLaD made him to be. It's not even the same character, it just shares his appearance and name.

Edited December 15, 2014 by 79'Blazer4x4

[Maxxeine]

 

That part with Franklin and the dog always confused me. What was that dog's purpose to begin with?

The dog only led Franklin to Dom who was stranded in a tree. I'm not sure if you were asking the dog's actual purpose, or if you were hinting to the dog's irrelevancy.

 

The latter. I don't know why that wasn't explained.

[RogerWho]

1) Michael is in enough trouble already and doesn't want to get in more. He knows he has to tiptoe the line and he crossed over it so he backs down.

2) Just whoever wrote this part thought it's really funny and insisted to keep it in the game, just like most of GTA V stuff really. But realistically, there have been instances IRL where someone was in trouble and someone else was drawn to that place. Though I find it unlikely that someone would just follow a talking dog, but whatever.

3) Again someone thought this is smart or funny... But I suppose this incident kinda fits in the whole GTA V setting where everyone is extremely selfish and shallow.

4) Johnny deserved a happy ending. At least definitely better than being stomped by a sociopath.

 

I replayed the whole IV+EFLCs before going to replay V again so I got to this scene just a week or so after finishing TLAD. And yes this moment and the whole business with The Lost is just bad. They really could pick anyone, even just a random noname junkie, for Trevor to kill and it would not make the message any less clear so I have no idea why they'd have to piss over their previous game like that.

Edited December 15, 2014 by RogerWho

[woggleman]

Johnny should hjave never went back to Ashley. The lesson is don't let a woman destroy you.

[MrDeSanta]

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

I think it`s about respect for Dave and a little fear, but not like personal fear where Michael would be afraid of Steve but more like in the fear due to Michael`s situation. FIB owned him and he f*cked all up when he did that jewelery job and cut his WITSEC program. So he was afraid of pissing off Haines as FIB guy who had him in control.

And i don`t think Trevor would act any diferent. If he took all the sh*t Weston was giving him in 1.st car repo mission and if he ended up as nothing more than FIB lap dog, then i doubt he would react any diferent than Michael did when Haines grabed his throat.

Trevor knows very well who he can afford to bully and who not. He can bully some mentaly chalenged Wade or Floyd with no self-eastem or Ron who is scared the sh*t out of him but when it comes to other people like Haines or Dave then he knows very well he can`t do that to them.

 

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

It may be Franklin`s halucination because Dom didn`t know anything about that dog. However it may simply be out of Rockstar`s attempt at some humorous dog-talking. We all know V is full of childish type of humor. Personally i didn`t find that funny at all but simply stupid.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

Jimmy stated like he did this because Michael gone crazy but he did it only to get the money from his bank account and took his car. And when he said to Amanda that Michael did drugs when driving him, that really showed what kind of scumbag Jimmy is. A fat, lazy useless COD gamer who deserves to be put in some hard working boot camp and nothing more.

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

The sadest part is the way Trevor killed Johnny. On the cheapest way possible. He surprised him when Johnny was least expecting. I understand R* wanted to go for a shock value but if they`d make the way he killed Johnny more fair and noble i think it wouldn`t be such a fuss.

It is also sad that R* made Johnny looked so poor in V (all skinny as hell and f*cked up) that you actually feel like Johnny`s death was just puting him out of the misery- a humane act.

That`s really sad consider what a good character he was in TLAD. Physically and mentaly strong man who took no crap from anybody.

If the writing would be like Trevor and TLMC have a huge fight over control of meth and guns bussines in Sandy Shores and Trevor kills Johnny in a fair fight or shootout, then i think people wouldn`t be so pissed. But the way R* said goodbye from one of their best GTA protagonists is just pathetic.

 

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

[Zello]

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

What I want to know is who was the one who took Michael off the street and took all of his clothes? I don't think it's Jimmy because he just threw Michael out of the car and just drove away. So who was it?

[American Viking]

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

What I want to know is who was the one who took Michael off the street and took all of his clothes? I don't think it's Jimmy because he just threw Michael out of the car and just drove away. So who was it?

 

I always just figured some homeless guy probably pulled him away and took his clothes.

[MrDeSanta]

I think that was just a random ped who pulled him off the road so he wouldn`t be ran over.

But that doesn`t explain why he is without his clothes later.

[Raiden1018]

The part with Agent Haines shows that Mike is a bitch. I also hate that dialogue during the heist with only M and F after T betrayed M.

 

M: "...I have enough to worry about

 

F: "What you gotta worry about?"

 

M:" I don't know..."

 

Like, who wrote this?

[MrDeSanta]

The part with Agent Haines shows that Mike is a bitch. I also hate that dialogue during the heist with only M and F after T betrayed M.

 

M: "...I have enough to worry about

 

F: "What you gotta worry about?"

 

M:" I don't know..."

 

Like, who wrote this?

Michael was in situation when Haines had him in his pocket so i don`t think that playing a though guy and hit Haines back when he grabed his throat just to show he isn`t a bitch would be a good idea.

Haines would put Michael in jail with one move.

[SmokesWithCigs]

Franklin had to be hallucenating i think barry's weed had an effect on him. As for johnny k, trevor was already ticked off about" seeing a ghost" but from th rampages i noticed that one thing that sets him off is calling him a motherf*cker. Johnny made that fatal mistake.

[AlisaM]

Hmmm...

 

1. I think it's just his nature, he's a bit passive. More a sneak than anything else. Seemed perfectly in character to me.

 

2. Never gave this much thought. It just seemed like R* being silly. I'm not sure I really care enough to think about it very hard, so I'll go with the Franklin is high answer. FWIW, I hate the Dom "missions". It's the sort of thing I could easily never see again without disappointment.

 

3. I didn't like that Jimmy did what he did, but the things that followed were a bit crap, IMO. I know GTA isn't a serious game for the most part, but that just felt ridiculous. I'd rather leave the ridiculous in Saints Row. Felt the same about the Barry "missions" that Michael and Trevor had to do. As an aside was Barry supposed to be based on Stephen Colbert? Or maybe I'm the one hallucinating.

 

4. I apparently didn't feel the attachment to Johnny that others did, as it didn't bother me at all, except in the sense that all of Trevor's behaviour is appalling. The thing that I find getting tiresome is that no matter how many of the Lost are killed there are always more. I suppose there's nothing really to be done about it, but I'd just like them to all stay dead for a while.

[American Viking]

Franklin had to be hallucenating i think barry's weed had an effect on him. As for johnny k, trevor was already ticked off about" seeing a ghost" but from th rampages i noticed that one thing that sets him off is calling him a motherf*cker. Johnny made that fatal mistake.

Barry's weed could not have had that effect on him because not only did Franklin experience no effects at all from it, the mission can be played after the aforementioned mission with the dog.

[MrDeSanta]

I can`t imagine that weed would make you halucinating unless it`s mixed with mescalin, peyotes or some hawaiian mushrooms or something.

Cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug so those missions with Michael and Trevor for Barry (clowns and aliens) really makes no sense to me.

[Nah nah nah Gta 6]

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

You don't wanna get in trouble with high ranking corrupt agents, same thing happened to Niko sort of when he worked for the U.L Paper only it wasn't as forceful or aggresive.

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

This isn't the first time this happened, there was a man who was supposedly part of John's imagination in RDR, can't remember his name, it was also in Max Payne 3 were Max encountered this retired officer who was the the complete opposite of Max. This is just something left for us to speculate I guess.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

How else are you going to get him out the car? He couldn't fight his dad off, and Micheal can look after himself

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

Kinda glad Trevor put him out, not because I hate Johnny (In fact I think Johnny had the best story out the IV trilogy), but his life was a wreck, he became the very thing he hated, and it was all because of that bitch Ashley.

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

Don't worry buddy <3

Edited December 15, 2014 by Stoney0503

[AlisaM]

 

Cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug...

 

You may want to consider further research on this matter.

[79'Blazer4x4]

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

How else are you going to get him out the car? He couldn't fight his dad off, and Micheal can look after himself

 

It would've made more sense and made Jimmy a lot less of an asshole if he had simply got up during the night when Michael is sleeping and took the car. Or even when Michael is free roaming under the player's control without his car if free roam is considered canon to the story.

As for who pulled Michael off the road, I always just assumed that he ended up stripping, running off and then passing out during his hallucination.

[don ovdi' island]

 

 

Cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug...

 

You may want to consider further research on this matter.

 

uhh.. it's not. Consider researching, or actually just go to your local drug dealer and buy a bag and you'll see that cannabis is in fact NOT a hallucinogen. Only way it could make you hallucinate is if it was mixed with something else; and even in that case it wouldn't be the weed that's affecting you.

[MrDeSanta]

 

 

Cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug...

 

You may want to consider further research on this matter.

 

Oh i did plenty of research believe me, in theory and practice and no, cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug.

If you encounter this kind of side effects due to weed smoking you better kick the sh*t out of your dealer because he`s obviously spraying your weed with some other substance.

 

Mescalin (peyote), LSD, mushrooms, ketamin, PCP (in a way) and similar stuff is halucinogenic but not cannabis.

 

Which reminds me on one mission in TLAD where Billy puts a mescalin in Davey`s weed (that biker turned lawyer guy).

This could explain all halucinogenic triping in V.

[AlisaM]

 

 

 

Cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug...

 

You may want to consider further research on this matter.

 

Oh i did plenty of research believe me, in theory and practice and no, cannabis isn`t halucinogenic drug.

If you encounter this kind of side effects due to weed smoking you better kick the sh*t out of your dealer because he`s obviously spraying your weed with some other substance.

 

Mescalin (peyote), LSD, mushrooms, ketamin, PCP (in a way) and similar stuff is halucinogenic but not cannabis.

 

Which reminds me on one mission in TLAD where Billy puts a mescalin in Davey`s weed (that biker turned lawyer guy).

This could explain all halucinogenic triping in V.

 

 

I believe your definition of hallucinogenic is too narrow and many places on the internet will back up my version of the facts. A hallucinogen alters perception, that's pretty much it. If you see weird things that's altering your perception (something like LSD), if you listen to music and it just plain sounds better, that's altering your perception (something like weed). You don't need to think you've been abducted by aliens and had experiments done on you to have "hallucinated".

 

However, I'm not going to argue with you, believe what you like. Feel free to have the last word now.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

1. I would say Michael just didn't want any more trouble so he decided to take it. Great way to make Haines a despicable character because from that moment, I just wanted to kill the prick.

 

2. Paid that one no mind and never really looked into it.

 

3. Pretty f*cked up, but I found the aftereffects kinda humorous.

 

4. Never played TLAD so I wasn't bothered one bit by it. I hate seeing protagonists get killed, but Johnny and Luis are ones that I am completely indifferent to because I didn't play EFLC which means this didn't bother me so much. Objectively, Johnny shouldn't even be missed considering what we saw in V was a shell of his former self. He appeared as a complete bitch in that scene.

[Vaulttec]

 

 

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

I think it`s about respect for Dave and a little fear, but not like personal fear where Michael would be afraid of Steve but more like in the fear due to Michael`s situation. FIB owned him and he f*cked all up when he did that jewelery job and cut his WITSEC program. So he was afraid of pissing off Haines as FIB guy who had him in control.

And i don`t think Trevor would act any diferent. If he took all the sh*t Weston was giving him in 1.st car repo mission and if he ended up as nothing more than FIB lap dog, then i doubt he would react any diferent than Michael did when Haines grabed his throat.

Trevor knows very well who he can afford to bully and who not. He can bully some mentaly chalenged Wade or Floyd with no self-eastem or Ron who is scared the sh*t out of him but when it comes to other people like Haines or Dave then he knows very well he can`t do that to them.

 

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

It may be Franklin`s halucination because Dom didn`t know anything about that dog. However it may simply be out of Rockstar`s attempt at some humorous dog-talking. We all know V is full of childish type of humor. Personally i didn`t find that funny at all but simply stupid.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

Jimmy stated like he did this because Michael gone crazy but he did it only to get the money from his bank account and took his car. And when he said to Amanda that Michael did drugs when driving him, that really showed what kind of scumbag Jimmy is. A fat, lazy useless COD gamer who deserves to be put in some hard working boot camp and nothing more.

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

The sadest part is the way Trevor killed Johnny. On the cheapest way possible. He surprised him when Johnny was least expecting. I understand R* wanted to go for a shock value but if they`d make the way he killed Johnny more fair and noble i think it wouldn`t be such a fuss.

It is also sad that R* made Johnny looked so poor in V (all skinny as hell and f*cked up) that you actually feel like Johnny`s death was just puting him out of the misery- a humane act.

That`s really sad consider what a good character he was in TLAD. Physically and mentaly strong man who took no crap from anybody.

If the writing would be like Trevor and TLMC have a huge fight over control of meth and guns bussines in Sandy Shores and Trevor kills Johnny in a fair fight or shootout, then i think people wouldn`t be so pissed. But the way R* said goodbye from one of their best GTA protagonists is just pathetic.

 

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

never liked Johnny or gta 4 to me 4 was the worst GTA of all time

[MrDeSanta]

 

 

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

I think it`s about respect for Dave and a little fear, but not like personal fear where Michael would be afraid of Steve but more like in the fear due to Michael`s situation. FIB owned him and he f*cked all up when he did that jewelery job and cut his WITSEC program. So he was afraid of pissing off Haines as FIB guy who had him in control.

And i don`t think Trevor would act any diferent. If he took all the sh*t Weston was giving him in 1.st car repo mission and if he ended up as nothing more than FIB lap dog, then i doubt he would react any diferent than Michael did when Haines grabed his throat.

Trevor knows very well who he can afford to bully and who not. He can bully some mentaly chalenged Wade or Floyd with no self-eastem or Ron who is scared the sh*t out of him but when it comes to other people like Haines or Dave then he knows very well he can`t do that to them.

 

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

It may be Franklin`s halucination because Dom didn`t know anything about that dog. However it may simply be out of Rockstar`s attempt at some humorous dog-talking. We all know V is full of childish type of humor. Personally i didn`t find that funny at all but simply stupid.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

Jimmy stated like he did this because Michael gone crazy but he did it only to get the money from his bank account and took his car. And when he said to Amanda that Michael did drugs when driving him, that really showed what kind of scumbag Jimmy is. A fat, lazy useless COD gamer who deserves to be put in some hard working boot camp and nothing more.

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

The sadest part is the way Trevor killed Johnny. On the cheapest way possible. He surprised him when Johnny was least expecting. I understand R* wanted to go for a shock value but if they`d make the way he killed Johnny more fair and noble i think it wouldn`t be such a fuss.

It is also sad that R* made Johnny looked so poor in V (all skinny as hell and f*cked up) that you actually feel like Johnny`s death was just puting him out of the misery- a humane act.

That`s really sad consider what a good character he was in TLAD. Physically and mentaly strong man who took no crap from anybody.

If the writing would be like Trevor and TLMC have a huge fight over control of meth and guns bussines in Sandy Shores and Trevor kills Johnny in a fair fight or shootout, then i think people wouldn`t be so pissed. But the way R* said goodbye from one of their best GTA protagonists is just pathetic.

 

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

never liked Johnny or gta 4 to me 4 was the worst GTA of all time

 

Well GTA IV is the type of game you either love it or hate it. There is no between. Even if you feel like everyone loves IV when reading this forum, the truth is this game received so many hate among gamers in other comunities that it was almost unbelievable.

 

So IV has really divided fanbase, those who love it or those who hate it.

Personally i loved it. Not as much as i love V but i loved IV and i`ve always defending it when people talked sh*t about it.

The problem is the same as with V, people are too extreme. They wont stop at legit and valid complains only, no they will go so far to the point they`ll say 100% of game sucks, every single thing about it sucks.

We see this kind of behavior towards V on this forum and we have the same thing going on towards IV on other forums.

 

This is bullsh*t. One thing is when you say that the antagonists suck in V or that bikes totally suck in IV but saying that everything about the game sucks is absurd and pure hatred.

[Vaulttec]

 

 

 

 

First up, Michaels first meeting with Steve Haines. I believe this was at the FIB building and Michael met with Haines, Norton, and Sanchez. The incident in question is when Haines grabbed Michael by the throat and Michael backed down. Do you think it was out of fear, respect for Dave, or what? I know Trevor would've ripped his arm off.

I think it`s about respect for Dave and a little fear, but not like personal fear where Michael would be afraid of Steve but more like in the fear due to Michael`s situation. FIB owned him and he f*cked all up when he did that jewelery job and cut his WITSEC program. So he was afraid of pissing off Haines as FIB guy who had him in control.

And i don`t think Trevor would act any diferent. If he took all the sh*t Weston was giving him in 1.st car repo mission and if he ended up as nothing more than FIB lap dog, then i doubt he would react any diferent than Michael did when Haines grabed his throat.

Trevor knows very well who he can afford to bully and who not. He can bully some mentaly chalenged Wade or Floyd with no self-eastem or Ron who is scared the sh*t out of him but when it comes to other people like Haines or Dave then he knows very well he can`t do that to them.

 

The second incident in question, is the introductory mission to Dom and the parachuting when Franklin has an actual conversation with a dog. Do you think Franklin was high, hallucinating, or did he actually talk to a dog? Remember, Dom didn't see the dog or know what Frank was talking about and this was never explained.

It may be Franklin`s halucination because Dom didn`t know anything about that dog. However it may simply be out of Rockstar`s attempt at some humorous dog-talking. We all know V is full of childish type of humor. Personally i didn`t find that funny at all but simply stupid.

 

In the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga" when Jimmy spikes the drink and gives it to Michael, then throws him into the middle of the street, what did you think of this? I think it's the most messed up part in the whole game and unforgivable in my eyes.

Jimmy stated like he did this because Michael gone crazy but he did it only to get the money from his bank account and took his car. And when he said to Amanda that Michael did drugs when driving him, that really showed what kind of scumbag Jimmy is. A fat, lazy useless COD gamer who deserves to be put in some hard working boot camp and nothing more.

 

And finally, the infamous moment when Trevor kills Johnny Klebitz. Many people were ticked off (like a clock) about this one and I don't blame them, but looking at this rationally, the Johnny K. in GTA V was not the same Johnny K. in GTA IV. The one Trevor killed was a shell of his former self. Even so, Trevor caught him off guard and took advantage of the situation bc I'm sure it wouldn't have been nearly as decisive if Johnny was ready.

The sadest part is the way Trevor killed Johnny. On the cheapest way possible. He surprised him when Johnny was least expecting. I understand R* wanted to go for a shock value but if they`d make the way he killed Johnny more fair and noble i think it wouldn`t be such a fuss.

It is also sad that R* made Johnny looked so poor in V (all skinny as hell and f*cked up) that you actually feel like Johnny`s death was just puting him out of the misery- a humane act.

That`s really sad consider what a good character he was in TLAD. Physically and mentaly strong man who took no crap from anybody.

If the writing would be like Trevor and TLMC have a huge fight over control of meth and guns bussines in Sandy Shores and Trevor kills Johnny in a fair fight or shootout, then i think people wouldn`t be so pissed. But the way R* said goodbye from one of their best GTA protagonists is just pathetic.

 

 

 

Here's hoping the thread doesn't get locked. I'd like to hear what you people think of these moments.

never liked Johnny or gta 4 to me 4 was the worst GTA of all time

 

Well GTA IV is the type of game you either love it or hate it. There is no between. Even if you feel like everyone loves IV when reading this forum, the truth is this game received so many hate among gamers in other comunities that it was almost unbelievable.

 

So IV has really divided fanbase, those who love it or those who hate it.

Personally i loved it. Not as much as i love V but i loved IV and i`ve always defending it when people talked sh*t about it.

The problem is the same as with V, people are too extreme. They wont stop at legit and valid complains only, no they will go so far to the point they`ll say 100% of game sucks, every single thing about it sucks.

We see this kind of behavior towards V on this forum and we have the same thing going on towards IV on other forums.

 

This is bullsh*t. One thing is when you say that the antagonists suck in V or that bikes totally suck in IV but saying that everything about the game sucks is absurd and pure hatred.

i agree with what you say about people love or hate games for me 4 was stale and boring. As for 5 it's up near some of my favorite Gta games of all time. it's like the bethseda games fallout and The elder scrolls you either love them or hate them