Set your PS4 to 720p

[freedom]

I know what you're thinking... why would you want to set your PS4 to 720p when the main focus is 1080p for PS4 games.

 

Well, I have to say, GTA V looks better at 720p (to me) because 1080p just looks too sharp. You can see stuff in the background flickering and aliasing all over the place... especially when things have to fade into view... they just have that interlaced look you know? It's too sharp for my eyes. I have the sharpness turned all the way down by the way, and it's still too sharp and the shimmering edges on everything is hard to bare sometimes.

 

Now, I set my PS4 to 720p and yes, the image is a bit softer, but it's much easier on my eyes. I don't see quite the large amount of shimmering anymore on things in a distance. The extra bit of blur helps to smooth it out and almost give it an anti-aliased look.

 

You might want to look into the sharpness setting again on your TV. For some TV's the correct calibration for sharpness isn't actually the lowest setting but actually closer to the middle. And in general check out the other settings, like, contrast or brightness could be too, & try turning off any advanced settings.

 

Just make sure you note down how you have it set currently, so you can go back if you want.

 

 

 

 

Input lag often comes due to unapropriate or cheap HDMI cable.

 

Said the marketing dude with the "double insulated gold contact extra performance" HDMI cable he wanted to sell to you?

You can't be serious.

 

You`re right and wrong at the same time.

While those expensive HDMI cables are marketing moves, on the other hand you notice a diference.

But that diference is noticeable when the cable is longer than 3m. In that case you need high speed cable otherwise the input lag and sound will sucks.

You wont notice much diference between cheap and expensive cable with gold conectors if it`s shorter than 2m.

 

However i have big TV so i needed a long cable and in my case the diference between cheap noname cable and expensive one was huge.

The sound was 50% better and the input lag was almost non-existant.

The best cable is of course the one you get along with PS4 but since it was too short for me i had to invest 60€ in high speed cable.

 

 

No, you would not notice any latency from a HDMI cable gold plated or not. The signal still travels in hundred millionths of a second. With a cheap 50 foot cable you may signal get drop outs for several reason, but that is not lag & nothing to do with gold connectors. You shouldn't need to spend any where near $60.

[Lukas_Japonicus]

I tried this and it just made my game look softer and blurrier. I didn't like it, so I switched back to 1080p.

[MrDeSanta]

 

I know what you're thinking... why would you want to set your PS4 to 720p when the main focus is 1080p for PS4 games.

 

Well, I have to say, GTA V looks better at 720p (to me) because 1080p just looks too sharp. You can see stuff in the background flickering and aliasing all over the place... especially when things have to fade into view... they just have that interlaced look you know? It's too sharp for my eyes. I have the sharpness turned all the way down by the way, and it's still too sharp and the shimmering edges on everything is hard to bare sometimes.

 

Now, I set my PS4 to 720p and yes, the image is a bit softer, but it's much easier on my eyes. I don't see quite the large amount of shimmering anymore on things in a distance. The extra bit of blur helps to smooth it out and almost give it an anti-aliased look.

 

You might want to look into the sharpness setting again on your TV. For some TV's the correct calibration for sharpness isn't actually the lowest setting but actually closer to the middle. And in general check out the other settings, like, contrast or brightness could be too, & try turning off any advanced settings.

 

Just make sure you note down how you have it set currently, so you can go back if you want.

 

 

 

 

Input lag often comes due to unapropriate or cheap HDMI cable.

 

Said the marketing dude with the "double insulated gold contact extra performance" HDMI cable he wanted to sell to you?

You can't be serious.

 

You`re right and wrong at the same time.

While those expensive HDMI cables are marketing moves, on the other hand you notice a diference.

But that diference is noticeable when the cable is longer than 3m. In that case you need high speed cable otherwise the input lag and sound will sucks.

You wont notice much diference between cheap and expensive cable with gold conectors if it`s shorter than 2m.

 

However i have big TV so i needed a long cable and in my case the diference between cheap noname cable and expensive one was huge.

The sound was 50% better and the input lag was almost non-existant.

The best cable is of course the one you get along with PS4 but since it was too short for me i had to invest 60€ in high speed cable.

 

 

No, you would not notice any latency from a HDMI cable gold plated or not. The signal still travels in hundred millionths of a second. With a cheap 50 foot cable you may signal get drop outs for several reason, but that is not lag & nothing to do with gold connectors. You shouldn't need to spend any where near $60.

 

Well i ain`t gonna argue with this since i`m not an expert for these things but i know i`ve noticed a huge improvement when i bought better HDMI cable so it looks like it does some diference.

 

However if you own 1080p, play V on 1080p if you want the best out of it.

All these issues some of you describe have nothing to do with resolution but simple TV/Console/game settings of sharpness, bright and contrast. And the reason could also be an ingame field of depth effect which is turned on by default. Turn it off and there will be no blurr.

If anything it`d be more logic that a 1080p designed game would look worse on 720p not reverse.

I know there is huge amount of settings but it`s worth to adjust them,

[just-a-spaz]

I can't sit further from my "TV" because it's a 24" monitor and my sharpness setting is fine. My HDMI cable is made by Sony and I have no issues with any other PS4 game.

 

Now if you don't like 720p, that's fine, but don't tell me that I'm using the wrong cables or settings. I calibrated my monitor because I'm very particular about that kind of stuff.

 

I love my setup the way it is, and like I said, GTA V is the only game that doesn't look good at 1080p.

 

Also, even if I did move further from my "TV" how would I notice the difference between 1080p and 720p anyway?

 

This topic can be closed now. I'm done. You either like it, or you don't.

Edited December 17, 2014 by just-a-spaz

[thehambone]

I'm gonna reply anyway.

 

My guess is your TV isn't 1080p native, so when you play at 1080p, the TV tries to "cram" multiple game pixels into 1 TV pixel, producing the jagginess that you see.

 

From my understanding, most TVs under 32" run at 720p native because 1080p native would be too many pixels to fit on such a small screen.

 

Forgive me if what I said has already been stated -- I didn't read though every single post on this thread.

Edited December 17, 2014 by thehambone

[thebrianmo]

You have a crappy a$$, generic, Dollar Store TV if you think GTA V looks better in 720. I have a 70 inch Smart HD and 720 looks like crap on my TV. 1080 all the way, never have any issues at all.

[Gdog]

i tried this out....there's no big difference. even at 480p it still looks bad with lack of AA.

[championpuffa]

my last samsung small 22" tv some games looked considerably worse in 1080p. i found i had to drop it down to 720p. but i dont think its the same thing as you are seeing. my 1080p picture was actually really fuzzy an blurred it was defo a 1080p tv aswell. when i turned it down to 720p the the blurriness went away an it was nice a crisp an sharp and detailed again. it only happened with a few of my 360 games an most games were ok but gta5 was one of them, along with the witcher 2.

[stonedbazz]

I'm gonna reply anyway.

 

My guess is your TV isn't 1080p native, so when you play at 1080p, the TV tries to "cram" multiple game pixels into 1 TV pixel, producing the jagginess that you see.

 

From my understanding, most TVs under 32" run at 720p native because 1080p native would be too many pixels to fit on such a small screen.

 

Forgive me if what I said has already been stated -- I didn't read though every single post on this thread.

How is 1080p too many pixels for less than 32"................ most newer phones these days have 1080p screens that are less than 6"

[MrDeSanta]

I don`t know who invented that thing "you wont notice the diference between 720p and 1080p on the screen smaller than 32ˇ" but i`ve noticed a huge diference on TV`s in the store.

They put two 32ˇ Samsung LED TVs next to eachother. One was 720p and another one was 1080p and the diference was still easily noticeable.

Of course with larger screens this diference increases but it is still noticeable at 32ˇ.

[TempAccount]

 

...backs away slowly towards pc subforum

 

[BubbaGoom]

GTA V looks better at 720p (to me) because 1080p just looks too sharp.

Console gamers, everyone. *clap* *clap*

[thehambone]

 

 

I'm gonna reply anyway.

 

My guess is your TV isn't 1080p native, so when you play at 1080p, the TV tries to "cram" multiple game pixels into 1 TV pixel, producing the jagginess that you see.

 

From my understanding, most TVs under 32" run at 720p native because 1080p native would be too many pixels to fit on such a small screen.

 

Forgive me if what I said has already been stated -- I didn't read though every single post on this thread.

How is 1080p too many pixels for less than 32"................ most newer phones these days have 1080p screens that are less than 6"1) Phone screen pixels are much smaller than HDTV screen pixels.

2) People typically don't sit a foot away from their TVs, so making a small TV run at 1080p native would be meaningless because to the average person who sits 6+ feet away from their TV, the difference would barely be noticeable.

 

Computer monitors are a different story. You typically sit 1 to 2 feet from a computer monitor, which is why smaller computer monitors typically have a higher native resolution than 1280x720.

[just-a-spaz]

I'm gonna reply anyway.

 

My guess is your TV isn't 1080p native, so when you play at 1080p, the TV tries to "cram" multiple game pixels into 1 TV pixel, producing the jagginess that you see.

 

From my understanding, most TVs under 32" run at 720p native because 1080p native would be too many pixels to fit on such a small screen.

 

Forgive me if what I said has already been stated -- I didn't read though every single post on this thread.

 

I have an Asus 24" Monitor. It as very good specs for what I wanted. It's 1920x1080 native resolution, 2 HDMI ports and 1ms response (with an overdrive setting for even less ghosting). If you wanna look up the specs, it's the VX248H model.

 

You have a crappy a$$, generic, Dollar Store TV if you think GTA V looks better in 720. I have a 70 inch Smart HD and 720 looks like crap on my TV. 1080 all the way, never have any issues at all.

 

Okay, I don't sit very far from my TV as it's not a TV, but a computer monitor. I'm not sure how far you sit, but I'm sure if I stand back, I won't even notice the pixels in the distance. Also, all other PS4 games look perfect on it. GTA V so far has been the only game where I see this pixel shimmering.

 

 

Computer monitors are a different story. You typically sit 1 to 2 feet from a computer monitor, which is why smaller computer monitors typically have a higher native resolution than 1280x720.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Tell you what. I'll take a screenshot of what I'm talking about so that people will realize that it's not my TV/HDMI cable.

Edited December 17, 2014 by just-a-spaz

[just-a-spaz]

See the Up-n-Atom sign? That's the type of crosshatching/interlacing I was talking about. I see it all the time and it's really distracting when viewing at 1080p. These are direct screenshots from the PS4. When the image is set to 720p, those distracting screen checkerboard patterns aren't visible anymore.

 

Here are some zoomed in shots at 200% that show more of what I'm seeing. Remember, these are directly from the screenshot function of the PS4.

Edited December 18, 2014 by just-a-spaz

[Big Black Man]

 

 

I know what you're thinking... why would you want to set your PS4 to 720p when the main focus is 1080p for PS4 games.

 

Well, I have to say, GTA V looks better at 720p (to me) because 1080p just looks too sharp. You can see stuff in the background flickering and aliasing all over the place... especially when things have to fade into view... they just have that interlaced look you know? It's too sharp for my eyes. I have the sharpness turned all the way down by the way, and it's still too sharp and the shimmering edges on everything is hard to bare sometimes.

 

Now, I set my PS4 to 720p and yes, the image is a bit softer, but it's much easier on my eyes. I don't see quite the large amount of shimmering anymore on things in a distance. The extra bit of blur helps to smooth it out and almost give it an anti-aliased look.

 

It's not a 100% fix because you can still see some pixel shimmering due to the lower resolution, but the overall picture is easier to look at.

 

Well, try it and let me know what you guys think. It can't hurt anything.

 

By the way... even at 720p, the image is still cleaner and way more detailed than the PS3 version. Just in case anyone thinks you'll get PS3 quality by setting it to 720p.

 

As an added bonus, you don't notice LOD pop-in as much at 720p either.

you need to get a Samsung or LG. that will fix the problem.

 

No it won't.

 

I'm running a 1080p monitor 1:1 with no scaling. No edge enhancements, no sharpness, no picture enhancements... just as pure as you can get and the game is still way too sharp. It needs better anti-aliasing. That's why I find that 720p doesn't hurt my eyes as much. I don't strain my eyes as much looking at the softer image. 720p puts a blur over the entire image just enough to make the details blend better and not so shimmery and fine.

 

Yeah, I know it's designed to run at 1080p, but when it strains my eyes, I do something about it. I mean, you can see a cross-hatching/interlacing type effect with objects in the distance as they fade into view. That's extremely distracting. With 720p, you don't see that stuff because it's blurred.

 

Also, I've spent years gaming at 720p and this is still way cleaner than standard 720p on the PS3.

 

Anyway... nobody has to do this unless they have a problem with the pixel shimmering on this game. Like I said before, I don't have an issue with any other next-gen game. They all look great. This is the only one that is too sharp for me.

 

Listen son. Brands matter. Samsung is # 1. LG is #2. Alson I noticed you did not mention the brand you have...and Im guessing its neither b/c you would have said, therefore strengthening my point, go get those brands.

[utack]

Is there a reason it just downscales the 1080p to 720p instead of using the rendering budget for something like more draw distance or 60fps?

Does the CPU not allow for anything to be better than it is, even if the GPU could do it?

Edited December 18, 2014 by utack

[MrDeSanta]

 

 

 

I know what you're thinking... why would you want to set your PS4 to 720p when the main focus is 1080p for PS4 games.

 

Well, I have to say, GTA V looks better at 720p (to me) because 1080p just looks too sharp. You can see stuff in the background flickering and aliasing all over the place... especially when things have to fade into view... they just have that interlaced look you know? It's too sharp for my eyes. I have the sharpness turned all the way down by the way, and it's still too sharp and the shimmering edges on everything is hard to bare sometimes.

 

Now, I set my PS4 to 720p and yes, the image is a bit softer, but it's much easier on my eyes. I don't see quite the large amount of shimmering anymore on things in a distance. The extra bit of blur helps to smooth it out and almost give it an anti-aliased look.

 

It's not a 100% fix because you can still see some pixel shimmering due to the lower resolution, but the overall picture is easier to look at.

 

Well, try it and let me know what you guys think. It can't hurt anything.

 

By the way... even at 720p, the image is still cleaner and way more detailed than the PS3 version. Just in case anyone thinks you'll get PS3 quality by setting it to 720p.

 

As an added bonus, you don't notice LOD pop-in as much at 720p either.

you need to get a Samsung or LG. that will fix the problem.

 

No it won't.

 

I'm running a 1080p monitor 1:1 with no scaling. No edge enhancements, no sharpness, no picture enhancements... just as pure as you can get and the game is still way too sharp. It needs better anti-aliasing. That's why I find that 720p doesn't hurt my eyes as much. I don't strain my eyes as much looking at the softer image. 720p puts a blur over the entire image just enough to make the details blend better and not so shimmery and fine.

 

Yeah, I know it's designed to run at 1080p, but when it strains my eyes, I do something about it. I mean, you can see a cross-hatching/interlacing type effect with objects in the distance as they fade into view. That's extremely distracting. With 720p, you don't see that stuff because it's blurred.

 

Also, I've spent years gaming at 720p and this is still way cleaner than standard 720p on the PS3.

 

Anyway... nobody has to do this unless they have a problem with the pixel shimmering on this game. Like I said before, I don't have an issue with any other next-gen game. They all look great. This is the only one that is too sharp for me.

 

Listen son. Brands matter. Samsung is # 1. LG is #2. Alson I noticed you did not mention the brand you have...and Im guessing its neither b/c you would have said, therefore strengthening my point, go get those brands.

 

Where did you get the silly idea that LG is No.2 TV brand? Now come on, LG is mediocre brand when it comes to LED TV.

 

It goes like this:

1. Loewe

2 .Sony/Sony Bravia

3. Samsung

4. LG or Philips

5 everything else.

I`m not sure about Toshiba however some say it`s one of the best.

 

 

But i don`t think that matters so much, as long as it`s not some noname brand it`ll be just fine.

 

My NG V looks completely the same on my Philips 60ˇ as it looks on my father`s Loewe 55ˇ. It doesn`t look 10% better on a father`s TV that costs 3x more.

[jamieleng]

I've always found smearing Vaseline on my eyeballs helps with the aliasing.

[just-a-spaz]

Did you guys see the screenshots? It's not the TV, it's capture directly from the PS4. The TV is simply showing me what the PS4 is outputting.

 

Also, you guys do realize that Samsung/LG make a lot of the parts in other TV brands right?

 

Also, it's not just the brand that matters. If you get a low-end TV, you'll get a low-end picture.

 

You guys are pretty ridiculous. Bickering over TV brands instead of looking at the proof I've provided with direct screenshots.

[ABCDOGGY ginette]

I don't think there is quality difference between all the mainstream big brands like Samsung, LG, Sharp, Sony etc... As most if not all the pieces in your TV comes from the same China factory anyway.

 

However, about a month ago I bought a Future Shop's homebrand Insignia 40'' Full HD TV. It was pretty cheap (for in Canada) at $290 so I jumped on the occasion. Not even 3 days Iater I went back to Future Shop for a refund. I think the picture quality was worse than on my 2010 outdated as sh*t smartphone.

Edited December 18, 2014 by ABCDOGGY ginette

[thehambone]

See the Up-n-Atom sign? That's the type of crosshatching/interlacing I was talking about. I see it all the time and it's really distracting when viewing at 1080p. These are direct screenshots from the PS4. When the image is set to 720p, those distracting screen checkerboard patterns aren't visible anymore.

 

Here are some zoomed in shots at 200% that show more of what I'm seeing. Remember, these are directly from the screenshot function of the PS4.

Did you guys see the screenshots? It's not the TV, it's capture directly from the PS4. The TV is simply showing me what the PS4 is outputting.

Your screenshots don't show up for me. All I see are what seem to be partial URLs. Try uploading the images to imgur and then paste the BB code.

[The Algerian]

First of all, does the PS4 version has any AA at all? And seconds how would 720p look better than 1080p? The resolution is twice as big so you get less jaggies and in general the game looks better. What you said makes no sense at all to me.

 

PS4 might just not be powerful enough to support good 1080p, this format seems to just have been squeezed in.

[MrDeSanta]

 

First of all, does the PS4 version has any AA at all? And seconds how would 720p look better than 1080p? The resolution is twice as big so you get less jaggies and in general the game looks better. What you said makes no sense at all to me.

 

PS4 might just not be powerful enough to support good 1080p, this format seems to just have been squeezed in.

 

People keep saying this nonsense how PS4 isn`t powerfull enough to support this and that. They said 1 year ago that PS3 isn`t powerfull enough, today they say the same for 4, tommorow they`ll say the same for 5 etc..

So when exactly the consoles will be powerfull enough? When PS7 will be out?

Come on that makes no sense. Rockstar even said that new gen V is little more than 60% of new gen consoles maximum capability so it can do alot more than just properly outputing 1080p.

We`ll see that in RDR remake for sure since it already has been said that it will be visualy the most advanced current gen game.

 

Btw, i wouldn`t be surprised if PS5 will output a native 4K, it`s already been said about some 4K PS concept. And by the time this will come out, the 4K TV`s prices will drop down heavily so they will be more accesible to wider population.

Technology advances fast. Not 10 years ago we had SD as native console output, 5 years ago we had 720p, today we have 1080p and few years from now it will be 4K.

[Crimson Flam3s]

I honestly think that ps5 might be able to do 4k.

 

A r9 295x2 does it great and it costs $1000, hell even a r9 290x can do it and its $400.

 

Imagine in 5 or 6 years this will be old ourdate tech and the current tech will be just as powerful and cost a fraction of what it does today without mentioning 4k tvs will be much more mainstream.

 

I can't imagine ps5 sticking with 1080p when 4k will be much more affordable and common.

[The First Hunter]

You can use Depth of field effect!

[just-a-spaz]

See the Up-n-Atom sign? That's the type of crosshatching/interlacing I was talking about. I see it all the time and it's really distracting when viewing at 1080p. These are direct screenshots from the PS4. When the image is set to 720p, those distracting screen checkerboard patterns aren't visible anymore.

 

Here are some zoomed in shots at 200% that show more of what I'm seeing. Remember, these are directly from the screenshot function of the PS4.

 

I updated the images guys. I hope you can see these ones. I had no idea that I was the only one who could see my images. Sorry for that.

[Crimson Flam3s]

Something must be very wrong with your ps4 or in the V files. Mine doesn't look anywhere as bad as that.

 

In fact I was messing around with 720p and 1080p and all 720p does it's make things a little blurrier.

 

I tried taking screenshots but they both came out in 1080p meaning the actual game is still rendered at that resolution, but the ps4 downscales the image to your tv.

[just-a-spaz]

Something must be very wrong with your ps4 or in the V files. Mine doesn't look anywhere as bad as that.

 

In fact I was messing around with 720p and 1080p and all 720p does it's make things a little blurrier.

 

I tried taking screenshots but they both came out in 1080p meaning the actual game is still rendered at that resolution, but the ps4 downscales the image to your tv.

 

Yeah, unfortunately the PS4 will take screenshots in 1080p because it's just the display that is running in 720p, not the game.

 

Plus, that checkerboard effect only happens when stuff is fading into view. Instead of using transparencies, it does this dithering effect instead.

 

It's not just my copy of the game. It's just the way the game is designed.

 

It's not the TV

It's not the PS4

It's not HDMI cable

It's 100% the way the game is.

 

All I'm saying is, setting GTA V to 720p seems to eliminate those ugly dithering problems. The PS3 version obviously didn't have this problem since it was already running at 720p.

[MrDeSanta]

Dude you aren`t going to convince us that there is everything ok with your console TV or monitor. Those 3 last screenshots aren`t normal.

It`s not just about the image being little blurred but that looks like almost unplayable. I wouldn`t play that for a sh*t.

That has absolutely nothing to do with upscaling or downscaling, NG V has to look good at 1080p, if not there is something wrong with your devices.

 

Seriously man, try to either change HDMI cable, monitor or TV. If that doesn`t work then maybe your console is f*cked up.

Or maybe even the game copy itself. It`s almost new but you still might have scratched it or something.

Either way you check your settings one by another, you can see the help for PS4 settings on playstation.uk.

 

That is some serious hardware issue and has nothing to do with resolution.