Why the heists will be another major disappointment when they come out

[MonsterCockDude]

 

If GTA took some of you guys advice Saints Row would probably be the number one mainstream open world game right now. The reason it became so popular was because it had the over the top action many people missed in IV. Most people want over the top action in GTA. This forum is like Bizzaro world.

"Most" wants this, "most" wants that. That's all I hear from you.

 

Unfortunately R* cares more about over the top ADHD COD, Saints Row players compared to more serious players these days because it makes them more money since the COD kids are the only ones dumb enough to buy cash cards so they can get enough virtual money to buy a monster truck and mod it to be chrome and carry around miniguns.

 

 

The players who want a serious crime game and a technically impressive detailed masterpiece ( which is the art R* wants to make as shown by GTA IV, RDR, LA Noire ) are the sort of guys who buy a game and play the single player maybe they play the online to get with other like minded buddies and do some RP or play missions or jobs tactically but they wouldn't buy cash cards and R* doesn't think these guys are a large enough market compared to casual pick up and play COD players.

 

 

 

It's the same thing how EA Sports makes it so games like Madden and EA Sports UFC are all catered and built around offense, and make it so scoring or spamming punches in that game are really easy, where guys can throw 200 punches in a sped up 5 minute round missing and hitting air spamming the buttons and not get punished with stamina, or how they can spam the L3 button to get up when taken down and do it 10 times in a row without any sort of thought or skill just mashing buttons so they can get back to spam kickboxing. Or how in Madden you got money plays and guys like Peyton Manning who scrubs who know nothing about football can score easily with. They do this because they know that only about 20% of the people who play the game will ever actually master it to play it realistically and the rest ( the kids or casual players or people who don't know about the sport ) just want to hit buttons and win easily. So EA Sports will cater to them, in the hopes that they buy the game and play online and buy DLC or cards for ultimate team.

Edited December 12, 2014 by MonsterCockDude

[woggleman]

Does anybody notice ever since V came out nobody really cares about Saints Row anymore? That is because people who wanted that kind of gameplay have their fill now. Many other GTAs before IV have over the top missions and SA is even more over the top than V but all of a sudden that kind of this is a problem these days. We have to have everything realistic and boring or else it is catering to the casual kiddies. IV was great for what it was but no way in hell should they have stayed on that course.

[MonsterCockDude]

Does anybody notice ever since V came out nobody really cares about Saints Row anymore? That is because people who wanted that kind of gameplay have their fill now. Many other GTAs before IV have over the top missions and SA is even more over the top than V but all of a sudden that kind of this is a problem these days. We have to have everything realistic and boring or else it is catering to the casual kiddies. IV was great for what it was but no way in hell should they have stayed on that course.

Yeah and it's obvious that with San Andreas R* knew they couldn't create a realistic world or gameplay mechanics to fit the story, so they said f*ck it and let's make the game over the top and give you a lot of things to do.

 

 

Go and play San Andreas now, I played it pretty recently and the gameplay is really pretty bad now and it's very dated, the driving and shooting mechanics take pretty much no skill and the AI is braindead and stands in place taking 0 cover shooting at you from like 20 feet away.

 

 

In 2004 no games came anywhere close to being realistic, I remember when I used to play computer games like around 2006 to 2008 or so, and things like 3d iron sights, weapons ballistics and physics, having to bolt a bolt action rifle, realistic recoiling, weapon sway, no crosshair, low health, realistic player movement, physics were entirely new concepts around that time. Games and mods like Project Reality, Insurgency, Red Orchestra, Americas Army, Brothers in Arms, ARMA got me into realistic more sim like shooters. Games that actually made it so you would succeed by playing as a group, using real tactics, being a good shot, playing smart, taking cover, and not by bunny hopping and randomly side stepping in random directions and spray and praying or dolphin diving like games like Battlefield 2 or Counterstrike or other FPS allowed. When this happened, it made it really hard to go back to playing GTA San Andreas, I had hardly ever followed GTA IV but decided to buy it anyway, and was very, very happily surprised with what I got and have been wanting a realistic crime game pretty much ever since, and GTA V put in a lot of good things but it took a lot of steps back as well.

 

 

Also sports games are also proving that simulation is the way to go these days, go to operationsports forums and realize that all of the games that are considered good sports games are the games that do the best job of actually emulating the sport they follow. This is also why games like NBA Jam, arcade baseball games, NFL Blitz, fake boxing games don't do well or exist anymore, because sports games now are seen as better when players actually win or lose by emulating what you would see in a real match.

 

 

At the end of the day I'm trying to play chess not checkers but R* decided to go back and make us play go fish.

Edited December 12, 2014 by MonsterCockDude

[jato4x4]

 

Paleto Bay Heist is one of the best missions in the game and I am not the only one that thinks so.

 

It was the stupidest. Where the did the tanks come from and how did they arrive on the scene so fast. It was so over the top it was overkill. One of the worst heists in my opinion.

The tanks came from the Paleto Bay army training grounds. Which is on the coast just north of paleto. That's how they get there so quick.

[habanosbooie]

When you break down the Paleto Bay heist it was kind of silly. You only walk a few blocks in the armor suits so it never really feels like the Three Leaf Clover mission in IV where you feel as though you escape through half the city. The tanks come out of nowhere and they don't do anything. They loom, and initially they are intimidating, but after playing the mission more than once you realise that they hardly ever manage to shoot you unless you basically let them. Then when you get to the chicken processing factory you can just stand in the doorway and no one comes for you. Two tanks sit just outside the doorway but they don't shoot at you. All of the soldiers and the police just seem stop pursuing you and the tanks don't even fire unless you go backwards and walk right out to them. Then, you escape by train, which doesn't make much sense because there's really only one logical place for a train to go - down the tracks. Wouldn't it be easy for the police to figure out that you hopped the train and for them to follow?

 

With the suits of armor it's more or less impossible to die unless you are really hopeless. And with the tanks deliberately not shooting at you it's really pretty easy and not very challenging at all. It's my least favourite heist by far.

 

It think it would have been a lot more fun if we got to make our escape across the waters of the bay, by boat, as it was suggested we'd be doing in the set up. I don't know exactly why it couldn't happen that way. It would have been cool if an escape by water was an alternative ending to the mission based on who we selected as crew members or something.

[MonsterCockDude]

When you break down the Paleto Bay heist it was kind of silly. You only walk a few blocks in the armor suits so it never really feels like the Three Leaf Clover mission in IV where you feel as though you escape through half the city. The tanks come out of nowhere and they don't do anything. They loom, and initially they are intimidating, but after playing the mission more than once you realise that they hardly ever manage to shoot you unless you basically let them. Then when you get to the chicken processing factory you can just stand in the doorway and no one comes for you. Two tanks sit just outside the doorway but they don't shoot at you. All of the soldiers and the police just seem stop pursuing you and the tanks don't even fire unless you go backwards and walk right out to them. Then, you escape by train, which doesn't make much sense because there's really only one logical place for a train to go - down the tracks. Wouldn't it be easy for the police to figure out that you hopped the train and for them to follow?

 

With the suits of armor it's more or less impossible to die unless you are really hopeless. And with the tanks deliberately not shooting at you it's really pretty easy and not very challenging at all. It's my least favourite heist by far.

 

It think it would have been a lot more fun if we got to make our escape across the waters of the bay, by boat, as it was suggested we'd be doing in the set up. I don't know exactly why it couldn't happen that way. It would have been cool if an escape by water was an alternative ending to the mission based on who we selected as crew members or something.

Oh come on man, we all truly know why R* did what they did with that mission.

 

 

The crazy over the top stuff in Call of Duty ( nukes, shootouts in planes ) or the controversial stuff like the "No Russian" mission got that game tons of attention easily from the ADHD crowd.

 

 

If R* put in a mission where you get to shoot at 50+ cops, multiple enemy helicopters, and have tanks in it and the national guard to the casual player it makes for an exciting mission.

 

 

But when you actually break the mission down, your in a ton of armor that makes it super easy, using a mini gun a lot of people using auto aim and a HUD, and the enemy AI is braindead in the mission and doing nothing. So basically the mission is easier then a typical shootout, the mission is just an excuse to have loads of action and loads of stuff going on and stuff blowing up but it's all just a mirage since the shootout is so easy and braindead and takes 0 skills or tactics and can you just walk through it easily.

 

 

 

This is exactly the issue with missions like that, how are we supposed to take the rest of the game seriously or care about these characters enemies when they can be a 4 man army who can take on 100s of cops, national guard, helicopters and tanks. Why do we have more missions that have literally nothing to do or do not emulate real life crime, yet the game lacks actual realistic scenario crime missions like drug dealing, pimping, small time robberies, breaking and entering, heck even the assassinations in this game are pretty much all really high value targets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's similar to the mission Blitz Play, use Trevor on that mission and stay in an area where you can watch the shootouts on the ground happen between Michael and Franklin against the police and realize that they made it so they can be bullet sponges and eat tons of shots and so the AI is brain dead and basically runs into them. The firefight looks so awful it destroys any sort of immersion going on.

Edited December 12, 2014 by MonsterCockDude

[woggleman]

With the exception of IV GTA has always been an over the top game. How is this any more over the top than flying in a jet pack and stealing goo or a gangbanger breaking into a military base and stealing weapons?

[totte1015]

I swear to f*cking god some people...