lemonwolf Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I know this is old but there is a lot of interesting stuff in here related to the PC dating back to 2012 and being a developer just seeing this kind of internal data is a real treat. Here are some highlights I picked out. Note: I am not posting this to slam on the PC version as mostly bugs are listed. There are equal amounts of issues with the console versions if not more from what is provided. Known Issues –•868907 – [PC] - Selecting last gen mode crashes the game•934317 – PC - The edges of the Mini Map / Radar are too far out. The mask isn’t masking. •942668 – [PT][PB] - PC Crashes upon starting the Yoga minigame.•751188 - [PT][PB] - Cannot progress past the FIB2(magdemo) cutscene inside the FIB building. Cutscene freezes halfway through. [PC ONLY]•773478 – [PC]Player gets a lot of spam in RAG when destroying cars which slows down the game•932967 – PC – Port Heist 1- Crates aren't appearing under the handler arm properly.•946312 - PC - Cannot use the phone after saving a photo and the media folder won't open.PC Only Issues:•**PC users please do not grab this build (yet)**oPC build has ran into some late issues that seems to prevent it from loading.•(no x64 prebuild cover) – Boot checks completed only.•1423878 - [PC] Memory usage is very high and increases quickly•1386232 - [PT] [PB] Crash - CPathNodeRouteSearchHelper::FindUpcomingJunctionTurnDirection•1293601 - [PC] Audio gets corrupted at certain points and becomes crackly•1316638 - [PT] [PC] Crash - rage::grmGeometryQB::DrawSkinned•1362281 - [PT] Crash - CPedVariationInfoCollection::GetCollectionDrawable•1330105 - [PB] grcProgram::SetTextureResourcesUsingVectorDXAPICall crash after window unminimized•931109 – [PC][PT] - Prologue - Trevor is being killed before gameplay is handed back to the player during the car chase.•1091341 - [PT] [PC] Infinite Assert - Error: vecForce==vecForce in CVehicle::ApplyInternalTorque•1340002 - [PT] It is very dark during night time and when indoors•1100810- PC - The gas trail doesn't line up to where you pour it, making it hard to ignite•1137427-[PC] After switching to Franklin in the car park, the game became hazy and wouldn't go away•1184262-[PC] If the player watches the intro cutscene to Arm 1, voices stop playing afterward•1216694 - [PC] [PB] Crash - rage::grcTextureFactoryDX11::UnlockMRTInternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3MaN1 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Last gen mode? That's interesting. If it has something to do with graphics, I'm sure I will be able to play it on my PC. Kaito Katsumi and UltraGizmo64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utack Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Again: It was on the retail disc. It has not been leaked, it is even possible R* knew it was there. Edited December 11, 2014 by utack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Again: It was on the retail disc. It has not been leaked, it is even possible R* knew it was there. Possible, yes. But not confirmed. So until confirmed otherwise by an official source, it is reasonable to assume that this build log has been accidentally kept on the retail disc. You could classify that as leaking, as it wasn't meant to be there. So there was a "leak" of some description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_FRANKENSTEIN_ Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Man... It's so old and it has been discussed so many times that I even know some of these bug logs by heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonwolf Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Again: It was on the retail disc. It has not been leaked, it is even possible R* knew it was there. Possible, yes. But not confirmed. So until confirmed otherwise by an official source, it is reasonable to assume that this build log has been accidentally kept on the retail disc. You could classify that as leaking, as it wasn't meant to be there. So there was a "leak" of some description. Exactly, this is an extensive log that includes a lot code specific issues and timelines that I guarantee was never supposed to be seen by the public. Someone either did this on purpose or simply forgot to remove or make it inaccessible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MK_ Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The title is so misleading,this has been discussed to death. utack and _FRANKENSTEIN_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) The title is so misleading,this has been discussed to death. Yet some people still remain ignorant to the existence of these logs. It's good that there's finally a proper thread on them. Not sure I understand how it's misleading, though. The thread serves the purpose of highlighting things of interest from the build logs. Doesn't matter how old they are. Edited December 11, 2014 by Xerukal Kaito Katsumi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MK_ Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Right on when saw it i thought it was something new,about to faint, i mean the title is now changed but at first it had the word "LEAKED" seriously who would use this keyword on something that old ? plus no one imo needs to know about this,it's old a lot of things have changed by now.fixed,removed,replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreciousWall Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Last gen mode? That's interesting. If it has something to do with graphics, I'm sure I will be able to play it on my PC. we can expect something like this Edited December 11, 2014 by PreciousWall Th3MaN1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raburs Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Last gen mode? That's interesting. If it has something to do with graphics, I'm sure I will be able to play it on my PC. we can expect something like this Saints Row The Third was 2011! GTAV is 2015! This is very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sikee Atric Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Last gen mode? That's interesting. If it has something to do with graphics, I'm sure I will be able to play it on my PC. we can expect something like this Saints Row The Third was 2011! GTAV is 2015! This is very unlikely. Civ V used the same trick, play in DX11 or DX9 modes..... It even offers a safe mode to bug hunt for mod creators. I know Civ V is an older game, but Civ : Beyond Earth has a full Mantle mode available and the safe mode is accessable through the command prompt extensions, so Firaxis have continued the tradition of extending support for as many different modes as possible. Let's hope R* take note and offer similar support for GTA V, even command prompt extensions to access some of the logged modes would be a bonus and offer more options for modding. Edited December 11, 2014 by Sikee Atric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteXmaN Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) we can expect something like this Saints Row The Third was 2011! GTAV is 2015! This is very unlikely. It doesn't matter.It needs to have everything,DirectX 9/10 or Last Gen mode for people that don't have powerful rigs(laptops) and maybe for the first wave of ENB's until Boris releases Dx11 one.It should be a perfect PC version of the game.It needs to have a lot of tweakable settings just like the first person mode and Dx9/last gen mode is one of those options .If the game scales from LG to CG on PC(like it should,visually),if it has a lots of different options and it performs well it is telling us that they did a good f*cking job for developing the game for the PC platform and they need to.They had plenty of time for that.I expect perfection in every way. Edited December 11, 2014 by SteXmaN HesamB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 we can expect something like this Saints Row The Third was 2011! GTAV is 2015! This is very unlikely. It doesn't matter.It needs to have everything,DirectX 9/10 or Last Gen mode for people that don't have powerful rigs(laptops) and maybe for the first wave of ENB's until Boris releases Dx11 one.It should be a perfect PC version of the game.It needs to have a lot of tweakable settings just like the first person mode and Dx9/last gen mode is one of those options .If the game scales from LG to CG on PC(like it should,visually),if it has a lots of different options and it performs well it is telling us that they did a good f*cking job for developing the game for the PC platform and they need to.They had plenty of time for that.I expect perfection in every way. Why should V support DirectX 9? You do realize DX9 is over 10 years old, right? If your card doesn't support at LEAST DX10, you're looking at a pre-2006 card, and boy, you should already upgrade your rig if it's built/made from 2006. DX11 cards starts to emerge at around 2010. rainlys and PowerKracker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braindawg Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's probsbly gonna have 3 exe files. GTAVLauncher.exe Lanuches the game and lets you toggle DX versions and set the graphics GTAVDX9.exe launches accordingly to Launcher settings GTAVDX11.exe -"- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerKracker Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Yep, time passes unfortunately. I remember first games that couldn't be run on XP, it's the only reason I own Just Cause 2 for PS3. As this gen sinks in DX9 will eventually get phased out. Edited December 12, 2014 by AlfredNTheFettuc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sikee Atric Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Yep, time passes unfortunately. I remember first games that couldn't be run on XP, it's the only reason I own Just Cause 2 for PS3. As this gen sinks in DX9 will eventually get phased out. DX9 is already being phased out, I cannot see it being used for a mainstream PC title again.... My example of Civ :Beyond Earth was a little misleading, although the older Civ V does support DX9, Beyond Earth has only DX10+ and Mantle modes selectable, with the safe mode in the command prompt extensions. This is what I expect from GTA V : DX10+, Mantle (Possible, but wouldn't bet on it) and a Safe Mode for fault diagnostic and mod debugging and testing. This will ensure as large a playerbase as possible can play it. I don't think it will ship with a DX9 last-gen mode and to create it ingame, the Client will have to be artifically created, either by tweaking the settings or a mod. There is no way DX9 will be the minimum, a true DX9 PC wouldn't cope. Edited December 12, 2014 by Sikee Atric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonwolf Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don’t know if this has been mentioned but you can switch between DX9, 10, 10.1, and 11 right on the settings screen in MP3 which I’m assuming is how they will do it in V UltraGizmo64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteXmaN Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) we can expect something like this Saints Row The Third was 2011! GTAV is 2015! This is very unlikely. It doesn't matter.It needs to have everything,DirectX 9/10 or Last Gen mode for people that don't have powerful rigs(laptops) and maybe for the first wave of ENB's until Boris releases Dx11 one.It should be a perfect PC version of the game.It needs to have a lot of tweakable settings just like the first person mode and Dx9/last gen mode is one of those options .If the game scales from LG to CG on PC(like it should,visually),if it has a lots of different options and it performs well it is telling us that they did a good f*cking job for developing the game for the PC platform and they need to.They had plenty of time for that.I expect perfection in every way. Why should V support DirectX 9? You do realize DX9 is over 10 years old, right? If your card doesn't support at LEAST DX10, you're looking at a pre-2006 card, and boy, you should already upgrade your rig if it's built/made from 2006. DX11 cards starts to emerge at around 2010. You do realize that they were able to run the game on hardware from 2005 and why not include Dx9/10? Some people do not have high end /mid range gaming rigs.Some people can't afford to buy a new PC even if it's an entry build. I've been there,many times as a youngster.The Game should be available and playable to every PC user that has more powerful system than LG consoles and that's like 99%.Dx9 should be included because it performs better than Dx10 and first Dx11 cards would also perform better in Dx9.The more options, the better. Every cross platform game on the PC should be scalable from "LG" to "CG" but some devs are lazy,the other ones are forced not to include older API. I'll be using 970, so Max Settings, 1080p 60+ FPS for me and probably a SweetFx for the first vanilla playthrough. I'll be posting GTA V screenshots,don't you worry . edt. and gifs and gifs Edited December 12, 2014 by SteXmaN UltraGizmo64 and Kaito Katsumi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utack Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) You do realize that they were able to run the game on hardware from 2005 and why not include Dx9/10? I really hope they also add DX8, OpenGl, OpenGL ES, Mantle, Metal, Glide and WebGL as well. Just so they can make sure for every single system out there is is 100% unoptimized with all this stuff to take care of. The game is released in 2015, I simply don't care if some kid with a PC from 2006 can run it's pirated copy at 640x480 with 20fps. What I do care about is that they use all ressources to make a smooth experience on all PC's that can run the game. Edited December 12, 2014 by utack Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_CP_ Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 IIRC, Mantle wasn't confirmed anywhere, it was only rumour cached by all gaming websties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteXmaN Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) You do realize that they were able to run the game on hardware from 2005 and why not include Dx9/10? I really hope they also add DX8, OpenGl, OpenGL ES, Mantle, Metal, Glide and WebGL as well. Just so they can make sure for every single system out there is is 100% unoptimized with all this stuff to take care of. The game is released in 2015, I simply don't care if some kid with a PC from 2006 can run it's pirated copy at 640x480 with 20fps. What I do care about is that they use all ressources to make a smooth experience on all PC's that can run the game. If they include "Last Gen" mode,it is safe to say that they've put a lot of effort in the PC Version of the game,they had plenty of time for that. I expect perfection not only in performance at max fidelity but also in number of settings that the game will have.If the game has proper graphics options it should scale to the LG version of the game,so called Last Gen mode.Do you understand now or should I start drawing? Edited December 12, 2014 by SteXmaN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utack Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If they include "Last Gen" mode,it is safe to say that they've put a lot of effort in the PC Version of the game,they had plenty of time for that. I expect perfection not only in performance at max fidelity but also in number of settings that the game will have.If the game has proper graphics options it should scale to the LG version of the game,so called Last Gen mode.Do you understand know or should I start drawing? Please start drawing. Draw me a market where people who buy new games are still limited to DX9. Steam does not know about it, but hey, who are they? Even if they have a "potato-mode" for any crappy mobile GPU out there, DX10/11 is still more efficient than DX9. Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteXmaN Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) We compared the DirectX performance of a few mid-range graphics cards at 1920x1200 using the very high quality settings. Here we see that the GeForce GTX 560 Ti was able to deliver 11% more performance when going from DX11 to DX10 and another 8% jump when downgrading from DX10 to DX9. Overall we found a 20% increase in frame rates when going from DX11 to DX9. o7 take care. Edited December 12, 2014 by SteXmaN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTAuthority Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 damn, the radeon 7000 series is that old? time goes fast with nvidia pushing out new gpus all the time lpgunit and buzzbass 2 Inactive in GTA/R* title modification indefinitely pursuant to a court order obtained by TTWO. Good job acting against modding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utack Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 We compared the DirectX performance of a few mid-range graphics cards at 1920x1200 using the very high quality settings. Here we see that the GeForce GTX 560 Ti was able to deliver 11% more performance when going from DX11 to DX10 and another 8% jump when downgrading from DX10 to DX9. Overall we found a 20% increase in frame rates when going from DX11 to DX9. o7 take care. By that logic if DX9 does not utilize tesselation and is faster, it won? That is not a real comparison.. Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 damn, the radeon 7000 series is that old? time goes fast with nvidia pushing out new gpus all the time Yeah, I currently have a 7850, it was the best mid-end in 2012. I hope I can play GTA V at good framerate. MP3 played very fluently with high - very high settings. So I'm looking for medium settings at 60fps maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raburs Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I currently have a 7850, it was the best mid-end in 2012. I hope I can play GTA V at good framerate. MP3 played very fluently with high - very high settings. So I'm looking for medium settings at 60fps maybe... dont underestimate ur card... thats actually not that bad. im pretty sure it will run GTAV on High settings at 40-50 fps.. Edited December 13, 2014 by utkarshrajsingh buzzbass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteXmaN Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 We compared the DirectX performance of a few mid-range graphics cards at 1920x1200 using the very high quality settings. Here we see that the GeForce GTX 560 Ti was able to deliver 11% more performance when going from DX11 to DX10 and another 8% jump when downgrading from DX10 to DX9. Overall we found a 20% increase in frame rates when going from DX11 to DX9. o7 take care. By that logic if DX9 does not utilize tesselation and is faster, it won? That is not a real comparison.. Dx9 and Dx10 also includes its own lighting and reflections in MP3 or this version of RAGE engine.Don't forget that GTA V is a 2013 game and not 2015 liek you said.Again,if it is a proper PC version it should scale from LG consoles to the maximum fidelity it can offer.Not only that Dx9/10 render will have better performance for older GPUs and for people who want to compensate the eye candy for framerate or the other bunch that just wants to run the game(trust me that will increase the sales,pirates will always pirate no matter what) but it will also be compatible with robust ENB settings that we have right now.All those GTA IV ENB's could be used in V if it has Dx9.Month or maybe even earlier after the release we could have "RL" ENB's for V. Imagine V with and it will definitely perform better than Dx11 one,especially because it'll be the first iteration and it needs some time to be optimized,probably months/years.If Boris decides to release it of course,I really hope so. I fail to understand why are you against it and how it will hurt the game from our perspective.The only argument you have so far is: "Just so they can make sure for every single system out there is is 100% unoptimized with all this stuff to take care of." and it's quite the opposite.You should know that,if you know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaxi Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Last gen mode- its just cool story a.k.a code name for something else and never exist Last gen mode? That's interesting. If it has something to do with graphics, I'm sure I will be able to play it on my PC. we can expect something like this ahahahaha its cheap no way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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