Why is there no option for lobbies without Police?

[sSphInXx]

There are probably countless posts in the Bitch n Moan thread or whole topics complaining about Police in Online but I don't know if it has been discussed before. Specifically, the reasons as to why there are no lobbies.

 

I've looked at the open topics on the Rockstar support page and there doesn't seem to be any response from a R* employee on this issue. Admittedly I haven't gone through ALL the topics.

 

So firstly, the Police are irritating as f#ck. I'm not talking about attaining wanted stars for killing people - this is to be expected...but I'm talking about when you attain stars for the Police AI ramming into you whilst chasing another player, or simply standing around and being pursued for no reason.

 

I understand the inclusion of Police adds to the realism but you can not argue against the fact that the Police are over powered (many would argue just like in real life). I just don't understand at why at the attainment of one star the police start shooting you. Where is the realism in this?

 

The other issue, with not so much with the Police themselves but the wanted level system, is that There is not much of a difference between one and two stars. They still shoot at you and the number of police seem nearly the same. At three stars there's a significant addition with the Police helicopter, but again with the realism? Why are there, what appear to be sharp shooters, shooting you from the sides of the helicopter? At four stars you get endless stream of ground units with NOOSE officers hanging off the side of grangers. At five stars, it pretty much seems the same, except with more helicopters and more units...all this consumption of memory of course means; LESS TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE ELSE and San Andreas becomes a post apocalyptic baron landscape full of vanishing NPC's and NPC vehicles.

 

It's quite obvious that R* have got the Police system wrong, with all its problems, surely it would be easier to allow people to play in lobbies in which there are no police? Obviously, in these lobbies you would not be able to rob stores or sell stolen cars - fundamentally commit any crime which allows you to profit without some sort of obstacle.

 

Before I finish what turned into a longer initial post than I expected, I suspect the main reason is that they have enough problems with stable servers as it is and the addition of these no police servers/lobbies (I'm really sorry I don't understand how servers or lobbies work, or in fact if they're the same thing?) would make the situation even worse.

 

I also suspect that the Anti - Shark Card players in the community will say something along the lines of "Car getting impounded costs money, dying looses ammo and money, getting a car fixed after a police chase costs money" etc etc "...all this expense has to be covered by you and it forces you to buy a shark card"...for me, this makes little sense as the costs aren't really that high when you think about it.

I think the argument against shark cards is more relevant for DLC's which are on for a limited time only - but not for this.

 

^I've added this bit above for all the "Kesh Kurds" posters - you're predictable...and no one likes predicable. However, if you genuinely feel Cash Cards are the reason then go ahead and post.

 

TL;DR: Y u no go skool?

[em1b16a2]

I think it's pretty simple: it's how they wanted their game to be. Doubt you'll ever find out exactly why unless you can interview a employee who has access to that info.

[LordVukodlak]

Where does it end? how many different lobbies do we already have one for each aim type. Now you want to double that for police and non-police versions? But that aside one part of freeroam is robbing stores, armored trucks those options couldn't be available in a non-police lobby.

[Furry_Monkey]

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

[StangOne50]

Because we all know by now that fun is not allowed in this game.

[sSphInXx]

But that aside one part of freeroam is robbing stores, armored trucks those options couldn't be available in a non-police lobby.

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious that R* have got the Police system wrong, with all its problems, surely it would be easier to allow people to play in lobbies in which there are no police? Obviously, in these lobbies you would not be able to rob stores or sell stolen cars - fundamentally commit any crime which allows you to profit without some sort of obstacle.

But that aside one part of freeroam is robbing stores, armored trucks those options couldn't be available in a non-police lobby.

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious that R* have got the Police system wrong, with all its problems, surely it would be easier to allow people to play in lobbies in which there are no police? Obviously, in these lobbies you would not be able to rob stores or sell stolen cars - fundamentally commit any crime which allows you to profit without some sort of obstacle.

[Biggie Kaniff]

because without police ppl would die less = less kash kards sold for Rockstar!

[Mr.Nedich]

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

On top of this, don't forget 4 was locally hosted, in V it's on servers IIRC, so it'd make sense there's a standard style.

[Wally Walrus]

Didn't read

[thebrianmo]

There are probably countless posts in the Bitch n Moan thread or whole topics complaining about Police in Online but I don't know if it has been discussed before. Specifically, the reasons as to why there are no lobbies.

 

I've looked at the open topics on the Rockstar support page and there doesn't seem to be any response from a R* employee on this issue. Admittedly I haven't gone through ALL the topics.

 

So firstly, the Police are irritating as f#ck. I'm not talking about attaining wanted stars for killing people - this is to be expected...but I'm talking about when you attain stars for the Police AI ramming into you whilst chasing another player, or simply standing around and being pursued for no reason.

 

I understand the inclusion of Police adds to the realism but you can not argue against the fact that the Police are over powered (many would argue just like in real life). I just don't understand at why at the attainment of one star the police start shooting you. Where is the realism in this?

 

The other issue, with not so much with the Police themselves but the wanted level system, is that There is not much of a difference between one and two stars. They still shoot at you and the number of police seem nearly the same. At three stars there's a significant addition with the Police helicopter, but again with the realism? Why are there, what appear to be sharp shooters, shooting you from the sides of the helicopter? At four stars you get endless stream of ground units with NOOSE officers hanging off the side of grangers. At five stars, it pretty much seems the same, except with more helicopters and more units...all this consumption of memory of course means; LESS TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE ELSE and San Andreas becomes a post apocalyptic baron landscape full of vanishing NPC's and NPC vehicles.

 

It's quite obvious that R* have got the Police system wrong, with all its problems, surely it would be easier to allow people to play in lobbies in which there are no police? Obviously, in these lobbies you would not be able to rob stores or sell stolen cars - fundamentally commit any crime which allows you to profit without some sort of obstacle.

 

Before I finish what turned into a longer initial post than I expected, I suspect the main reason is that they have enough problems with stable servers as it is and the addition of these no police servers/lobbies (I'm really sorry I don't understand how servers or lobbies work, or in fact if they're the same thing?) would make the situation even worse.

 

I also suspect that the Anti - Shark Card players in the community will say something along the lines of "Car getting impounded costs money, dying looses ammo and money, getting a car fixed after a police chase costs money" etc etc "...all this expense has to be covered by you and it forces you to buy a shark card"...for me, this makes little sense as the costs aren't really that high when you think about it.

I think the argument against shark cards is more relevant for DLC's which are on for a limited time only - but not for this.

 

^I've added this bit above for all the "Kesh Kurds" posters - you're predictable...and no one likes predicable. However, if you genuinely feel Cash Cards are the reason then go ahead and post.

 

TL;DR: Y u no go skool?

I didn't read all of this, the post was entirely too long. They got rid of police in GTA IV and need to do it again.

[sSphInXx]

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

I'm sure back then it was also nice to look out in the horizon and see Dinosaurs roaming around. However, things change. We're now in 2014. Gaming has come a long long way and the way games are made has also changed.

 

Anyway, the question was 'Why is there no option' not 'I want an option'.

 

If they were able to do it in IV, then why not now? Someone has already stated that it could be with the way the servers are hosted. I don't know what he means but maybe he'll come back and explain.

 

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

On top of this, don't forget 4 was locally hosted, in V it's on servers IIRC, so it'd make sense there's a standard style.

 

 

What does this mean? sorry I'm not too good with this sort of stuff. Could you explain a little more if you can? Thanks

[StangOne50]

Can't read

fixed it for ya : o)

[ndyerger]

I do wonder why police don't bother trying to arrest you anymore. I hate losing body armor because some cop car hits me while chasing another player. I have no issue shaking them, and I don't want an option to turn off the police like the OP, but I do miss the less homicidal officers from previous games. At least give an option for surrender with the hands up emote.

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

I'm sure back then it was also nice to look out in the horizon and see Dinosaurs roaming around. However, things change. We're now in 2014. Gaming has come a long long way and the way games are made has also changed.

 

Anyway, the question was 'Why is there no option' not 'I want an option'.

 

If they were able to do it in IV, then why not now? Someone has already stated that it could be with the way the servers are hosted. I don't know what he means but maybe he'll come back and explain.

 

You didn't have to fail to insult me to prove that you're a prick. You'd already done that with your first post.

 

Games have come a lot longer than you know, clearly. What's changed more, though, is the whining self-entitlement that is vastly evident in today's younger gamers. You're a younger gamer, I can tell. The fact that something was done in another game does not mean it has to be in any other game, ever again. That "argument" is so terribly weak that I'm surprised anyone capable of typing actually has the lack of intelligence required to pose it.

 

My answer still stands, whether you like it or not.

 

This option is not in GTAV. Get better at the game or stop playing it and seek satisfaction in other ways.

 

Kids. Smh.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Furry_Monkey

[xInfamousRYANx]

Shark cards no really. It adds up

tired of police? 5k for 3 mins of peace

remove wanted level 100 to 600

die by police 500 hospital bill plus what you drop

car impounded? Steal it and get killed again or pay 250. Too far away? Most would call another car therefore having to pay an insurance cost

Edited December 10, 2014 by xInfamousRYANx

[Furry_Monkey]

cat impounded?

 

I know that was a typo, and I suspect you may fix it, so it had to be QFT because it's funny

 

Edited December 10, 2014 by Furry_Monkey

[Killbook]

Because rockstar low-key is monitoring us. They have cameras implemented with every GTA copy and it films our reactions and rage to us walking by a cop and getting shot at for no reason or, just in general, being shot at by cops for no reason.

[sSphInXx]

 

 

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

I'm sure back then it was also nice to look out in the horizon and see Dinosaurs roaming around. However, things change. We're now in 2014. Gaming has come a long long way and the way games are made has also changed.

 

Anyway, the question was 'Why is there no option' not 'I want an option'.

 

If they were able to do it in IV, then why not now? Someone has already stated that it could be with the way the servers are hosted. I don't know what he means but maybe he'll come back and explain.

 

You didn't have to fail to insult me to prove that you're a prick. You'd already done that with your first post.

 

Games have come a lot longer than you know, clearly. What's changed more, though, is the whining self-entitlement that is vastly evident in today's younger gamers. You're a younger gamer, I can tell. The fact that something was done in another game does not mean it has to be in any other game, ever again. That "argument" is so terribly weak that I'm surprised anyone capable of typing actually has the lack of intelligence required to pose it.

 

My answer still stands, whether you like it or not.

 

This option is not in GTAV. Get better at the game or stop playing it and seek satisfaction in other ways.

 

Kids. Smh.

 

 

Are you having a bad day or something? Or do you just like being confrontational? You come here calling me "f#cking needy' and then you call me a prick and suggest that I'm a 'self entitled' just because I'm wondering why there's no option that was available in a previous game. I'm not saying there HAS to be a 'no police' lobby either, as I've said several times now, I'm asking if anyone has an explanation why there isn't. I play other games which are a part of a series and have re-occurring elements in them so I don't think it's 'weak argument' what so ever.

 

But go ahead, post again telling me I'm a young self entitled young prick for posting a question in an open forum. You seem like the sort of person who will loose sleep if he doesn't have the last word - so go ahead.

 

You want me to stop playing the game if I don't like it, yet you carry on posting on here and insulting me because you don't like my observations.

 

Let's be honest, there's only one prick here - and it isn't me.

 

 

Shark cards no really. It adds up

tired of police? 5k for 3 mins of peace

remove wanted level 100 to 600

die by police 500 hospital bill plus what you drop

car impounded? Steal it and get killed again or pay 250. Too far away? Most would call another car therefore having to pay an insurance cost

 

Still not convinced on the whole shark cards thing, but I guess the costs do add up! I know for one, I always call Mors unless I'm near the impound! haha

Edited December 10, 2014 by sSphInXx

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

I'm sure back then it was also nice to look out in the horizon and see Dinosaurs roaming around. However, things change. We're now in 2014. Gaming has come a long long way and the way games are made has also changed.

 

Anyway, the question was 'Why is there no option' not 'I want an option'.

 

If they were able to do it in IV, then why not now? Someone has already stated that it could be with the way the servers are hosted. I don't know what he means but maybe he'll come back and explain.

 

You didn't have to fail to insult me to prove that you're a prick. You'd already done that with your first post.

 

Games have come a lot longer than you know, clearly. What's changed more, though, is the whining self-entitlement that is vastly evident in today's younger gamers. You're a younger gamer, I can tell. The fact that something was done in another game does not mean it has to be in any other game, ever again. That "argument" is so terribly weak that I'm surprised anyone capable of typing actually has the lack of intelligence required to pose it.

 

My answer still stands, whether you like it or not.

 

This option is not in GTAV. Get better at the game or stop playing it and seek satisfaction in other ways.

 

Kids. Smh.

 

 

Are you having a bad day or something? Or do you just like being confrontational? You come here calling me "f#cking needy' and then you call me a prick and suggest that I'm a 'self entitled' just because I'm wondering why there's no option that was available in a previous game. I'm not saying there HAS to be a 'no police' lobby either, as I've said several times now, I'm asking if anyone has an explanation why there isn't. I play other games which are a part of a series and have re-occurring elements in them so I don't think it's 'weak argument' what so ever.

 

But go ahead, post again telling me I'm a young self entitled young prick for posting a question in an open forum. You seem like the sort of person who will loose sleep if he doesn't have the last word - so go ahead.

 

You want me to stop playing the game if I don't like it, yet you carry on posting on here and insulting me because you don't like my observations.

 

Let's be honest, there's only one prick here - and it isn't me.

 

Sometimes, it's like pissing into the wind. I'll reiterate...

 

Kids. Smh.

[LordVukodlak]

Shark cards no really. It adds up

tired of police? 5k for 3 mins of peace

remove wanted level 100 to 600

die by police 500 hospital bill plus what you drop

cat impounded? Steal it and get killed again or pay 250. Too far away? Most would call another car therefore having to pay an insurance cost

No it doesn't really add up and if you say it does your either bad at math or a liar. When compared to the costs of buying and modding cars its a fraction.

[AceThaCreator]

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

I AGREE with you furry some people in this game act hella entitled. Back then with the old games, the stuff that was put in the game was set, game developers didn't go buffing & nerfing anything because they wanted to challenge the consumers(gamers). Nowadays everyone wants their hand held while playing games, it's like if don't like challenges that the game presents then don't play it, it's that simple. Edited December 10, 2014 by BlackAce23

[sSphInXx]

 

Shark cards no really. It adds up

tired of police? 5k for 3 mins of peace

remove wanted level 100 to 600

die by police 500 hospital bill plus what you drop

cat impounded? Steal it and get killed again or pay 250. Too far away? Most would call another car therefore having to pay an insurance cost

No it doesn't really add up and if you say it does your either bad at math or a liar. When compared to the costs of buying and modding cars its a fraction.

 

 

I think he was replying to me when I mentioned just a few things you loose money on when being killed. It does in fact cost more than I initially factored in for. But you're also right, hardly anything when you compare it to modding cars.

[sSphInXx]

 

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

I AGREE with you furry some people in this game act hella entitled. Back then with the old games, the stuff that was put in the game was set, game developers didn't go buffing & nerfing anything because they wanted to challenge the consumers(gamers). Nowadays everyone wants their hand held while playing games, it's like if don't like challenges that the game presents then don't play it, it's that simple.

 

 

You're right, devs never used to buff or nerf anything but I would argue that the finished product was more substantial back then than it is now. I first started playing GTA when Vice City came out and thought it was the best game ever. Then played San Andreas and THAT was the best game ever. then GTA IV came out and guess what, I was really happy with that too...GTA V has come out and it doesn't feel as substantial as its predecessors did. I would argue it is essential for them to give updates to try and match it with previous GTA games. But this is off topic.

 

On topic - I'm not saying we NEED to have lobbies without police, but why do you think the feature was removed? What implications would having a lobby without police have?

[CarimboHanky]

this type of lobby would give more freedom to the players, allowing us to have fun without cop interference.

 

not gonna happen because...

[Furry_Monkey]

On topic - I'm not saying we NEED to have lobbies without police, but why do you think the feature was removed? What implications would having a lobby without police have?

 

 

That's the whole crux of the problem with this question, that has been asked a plethora of times.

 

It has not been removed.

 

This is not GTAIV, it is not GTASA, it is not GTAVC, and it is not Jetpac or 3D Monster Maze. It is GTAV and in GTAV there are no options to "turn off" police.

[Mr.Nedich]

What does this mean? sorry I'm not too good with this sort of stuff. Could you explain a little more if you can? Thanks

Means you're the host instead of a central server. I mean, you're still the host in V servers too, but it's much more R* cloud involvement. If you played IV, the multi-player was janky and clunky in terms of connection sometimes, that's because it was the host and your connection having difficulty. With V it seems R* took up the tab and does most if not all the work. So for example, you're not likely to see snow on one server and sunny LS the next or police and no police because it's just easier on servers not to have all these different session types and options and easier to run it in unison (IE: Snowy days, etc.)

 

Of course, I don't actually know if all of what I said is indeed true, it's just my personal understanding of how GTA: Online works compared to IV multiplayer, I may be wrong on some details though.

[cjdavies]

I think a no Police lobby would be boring:

No HPV from Simeon

No robbing stores

Edited December 10, 2014 by cjdavies

[AceThaCreator]

 

 

 

Turn off console.

 

No police.

 

Seriously though, it's how the game is. I really wish that more people remembered (or even knew) what gaming was like when it first became a popular thing. You got the game. You played it. You liked it or you didn't. If you didn't then you didn't play it again. You didn't campaign endlessly for something to be added/removed/modified just because it didn't suit your own personal utopian vision. People these days are too fucking needy.

 

If you don't like it then play a different game.

I AGREE with you furry some people in this game act hella entitled. Back then with the old games, the stuff that was put in the game was set, game developers didn't go buffing & nerfing anything because they wanted to challenge the consumers(gamers). Nowadays everyone wants their hand held while playing games, it's like if don't like challenges that the game presents then don't play it, it's that simple.

 

You're right, devs never used to buff or nerf anything but I would argue that the finished product was more substantial back then than it is now. I first started playing GTA when Vice City came out and thought it was the best game ever. Then played San Andreas and THAT was the best game ever. then GTA IV came out and guess what, I was really happy with that too...GTA V has come out and it doesn't feel as substantial as its predecessors did. I would argue it is essential for them to give updates to try and match it with previous GTA games. But this is off topic.

 

On topic - I'm not saying we NEED to have lobbies without police, but why do you think the feature was removed? What implications would having a lobby without police have?

I think the true reason why V didn't feel as good as the previous titles because most of the focus was placed upon the online portion where R* knew they could make a profit off of.

 

If they would've completely seperated the two and released them at different times, they could've put more time and effort into the story but thats atleast how i feel it was about this time around, mostly all about GTAonline.

[reform]

If there were lobbies with no police, then the aquisition of money and RP would obviously be turned off, so in all likelihood all free-mode events/odd jobs would also be turned off.

 

It would just be a sandbox lobby for messing around - completely isolated from GTA: Online progression.

 

As this clearly wouldn't allow players to have an advantage over normal lobbies, it's fundamentally untrue that the lack of no-cops lobbies is anything to do with cash cards..

 

So there is another reason for them not existing - and it's probably that R* want the world of GTA: Online to remain alive and immersive, feeling that lobbies lacking activities or events or the ability to progress would not suit their vision for GTA: Online. I don't agree with them on that; I'd love cops-off lobbies just for messing around and chilling out, but I can easily understand why they don't exist, and also clearly see that it's nothing to do with cash cards.

[sSphInXx]

 

What does this mean? sorry I'm not too good with this sort of stuff. Could you explain a little more if you can? Thanks

Means you're the host instead of a central server. I mean, you're still the host in V servers too, but it's much more R* cloud involvement. If you played IV, the multi-player was janky and clunky in terms of connection sometimes, that's because it was the host and your connection having difficulty. With V it seems R* took up the tab and does most if not all the work. So for example, you're not likely to see snow on one server and sunny LS the next or police and no police because it's just easier on servers not to have all these different session types and options and easier to run it in unison (IE: Snowy days, etc.)

 

Of course, I don't actually know if all of what I said is indeed true, it's just my personal understanding of how GTA: Online works compared to IV multiplayer, I may be wrong on some details though.

 

 

No, It does make a lot more sense. Thanks for the explanation pal!