Serious question, what is the appeal of assisted aim in multiplayer?

[Arachne]

 

Maybe you should switch to PS4 then.

 

No thanks. I'm not a peasant. Plus I like playing on a network that doesn't get hacked ever other day.

 

Damn son,that's a new level of "turning down for what"

[Spadge]

Free aim lobbies on PC are interesting, and it's the other way around. You never find one in assisted aim lobbies.

 

FPS view + mouse and keyboard, but that's only for PVP.

 

I also use a Xbox controller for the driving and when farming survivals, playing heists and missions I prefer assisted because I can't aim for sh*t whith a controller. Also I love helis and cars, obviously controller rules for that, so I used assisted because I don't like switching between joypad and keyboard constantly.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Spadge007

[ten-a-penny]

Free aim lobbies on PC are interesting, and it's the other way around. You never find one in assisted aim lobbies.

 

FPS view + mouse and keyboard, but that's only for PVP.

 

I also use a Xbox controller for the driving and when farming survivals, playing heists and missions I prefer assisted because I can't aim for sh*t whith a controller. Also I love helis and cars, obviously controller rules for that, so I used assisted because I don't like switching between joypad and keyboard constantly.

Its the other way around for me. I can aim fairly decent (in GTA:IV at least) using a controller but I can't do f*ck all with a mouse. Seems to me like Skyrim is the only PC game where I can aim right. And even THAT is a far stretch.

[Spadge]

 

Free aim lobbies on PC are interesting, and it's the other way around. You never find one in assisted aim lobbies.

FPS view + mouse and keyboard, but that's only for PVP.

I also use a Xbox controller for the driving and when farming survivals, playing heists and missions I prefer assisted because I can't aim for sh*t whith a controller. Also I love helis and cars, obviously controller rules for that, so I used assisted because I don't like switching between joypad and keyboard constantly.

 

Its the other way around for me. I can aim fairly decent (in GTA:IV at least) using a controller but I can't do f*ck all with a mouse. Seems to me like Skyrim is the only PC game where I can aim right. And even THAT is a far stretch.Up to preference then I guess. I think the OP was exclusively focusing on consoles player in his post. Edited January 28, 2016 by Spadge007

[Damned_Hitman]

OP here, can't remember why my original account was banned precisely, probably said something harsh about a member of staff that hurt their insensitivities, surprisingly pleased this topic hasn't been locked by them, usually if there is a debate, it's like taking the easy way out, and the mods lock topics, rather than deal with the problem members that derail it by getting incredibly worked up by the dividing topic.

 

I began the topic, because I wanted to find out why players would prefer the game played for them, I know GTA is a bit of everything from shooting to driving, but I'd never use auto pilot despite sucking in a jet, there is a lot more reward in learning a skill, sure assisted aim depends a lot more on reaction times, but in the general gist of things, it just isn't fun. I've played it a lot, forced to because of matchmaking and other crews I'm involved with (well was) dependency on playing with it, it's roll - unlock - roll....it looks ridiculous, like a scene from a circus....is that fun? Any ways, I quoted two posts.

 

 

The problem here is the fact the option exists. The GTA series is the only modern series that uses this "lock-on auto-aim" to this day while all other game series involving weapons, first and third-person alike, use the "sticky aim assist" model (CoD, Destiny, Battlefield, Halo, Gears of War, and even Metal Gear Solid V uses this). For most of us growing up playing on PS2/Xbox, the "lock-on" has always been the way we played GTA, mostly because the controls for shooting were horrendous by the time San Andreas came around. Come to 2013 and R* North still hasn't perfected the third-person shooter aspect for GTA, something that should have been nailed after Max Payne 3. Combined with the slow and clunky "realistic" animations that this game utilizes, GTA V is a bottom-tier third-person shooter at best. Also, as other people have stated, the game never prompted us about that option of changing the aim settings; veterans from GTA IV and people that have done their research about this game would know about something like that, but not somebody new to the series.

 

If GTA was more of a traditional shooter in regards to controls and fluid animations, not to mention utilizing the traditional aim assist model that every modern shooter uses, this wouldn't be a problem at all. For the next GTA, R* North should consider teaming up with the Konami team that worked on MGS5, because in terms of controls, combat, and just overall fluidity of movement, Phantom Pain was one of the smoothest third-person games I've ever played. The lack of crouching in this game didn't exactly help either.

 

Excellent excellent, in an ocean of tripe, somebody actually makes some excellent points, and discusses the topic, rather than a single sentence, ie the users of each preference trying to one up (I'm guilty of this too)

 

It's more fun. You can lock on and blast and continue playing Grand Theft Auto. The goal of GTA is not to own people with headshots in free-aim. It's to stunt and steal cars and have fun and run over pedestrians.

 

'steal cars'....surely it would be more enjoyable to steal these cars without TommyTithead locking on to you with his carbine and getting an instant headshot in 0.1s every time he is in range.....Only idiots consider GTA just a shooting game..Anything involving vehicles is more fun and realistic (to a point) with free aim.....

 

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Point of topic is to get more players playing with Free Aim.

 

Matchmaking sucks, Rockstar needs to address that more than making money, and fancy cars/apartments. Removing Assisted Aim, would help.

 

Viva la Free Aim / Punteria Libre.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

It's more fun. You can lock on and blast and continue playing Grand Theft Auto. The goal of GTA is not to own people with headshots in free-aim. It's to stunt and steal cars and have fun and run over pedestrians.

 

'steal cars'....surely it would be more enjoyable to steal these cars without TommyTithead locking on to you with his carbine and getting an instant headshot in 0.1s every time he is in range.....

It would even be more fun without getting a bounty slapped on you half the time you do it.

Edited January 30, 2016 by Fearx--

[Chickensniping101]

Personally, auto-aim is a lot less demanding

 

I use it when I feel like a bit of casual gaming

 

I still much prefer free aim though

[SmokesWithCigs]

Has anyone mentioned the scientifically verified that auto aim users ruin GTA?

It's not their fault though, changing aim preference takes, like, 12 seconds yo!

 

I wish we could change settings in the lobby instead of having to go back to storymode to switch from auto to free aim and vice versa

[Yozora]

 

just a question on this , in free roam if u choose free aim , is it a free aim only loby? and does that not just result in everyone resorting to running people over in their cars?

 

thinking about trying it.

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out). In my experience, it's full of RPG enthusiasts and idiots in jets - even more so than auto-aim.

 

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

It workef for max payne 3.

They changed th formula and f'd it all up.

[Damned_Hitman]

The big thing now is free aim assisted and free aim.

 

 

 

Even then it's difficult to tell with the 5k RP limit unless the FAA scum is on the losing side

 

EG Look here

 

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out).

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

 

 

 

You pretty much avoid free aim like the plague on console. So for you to sit there and constantly act like 'free aim assisted' is not an advantage is a joke.

 

 

Its a HUGE advantage.. And thats not an opinion.

 

Infact FA AA is actually better then the other auto aims because its less clingy, which means is more useful when you need it. The other AAs might lock on harder, but that can screw up the manual aim.

 

The FA AA can easily snap to a target and then allow you to adjust much more smoothly. This gives a huge advantage in shooting situations as the person using FA AA gets an instant snap while the actual FA player has to do it manually.

[Damned_Hitman]

 

 

 

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out).

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

 

 

 

You pretty much avoid free aim like the plague on console. So for you to sit there and constantly act like 'free aim assisted' is not an advantage is a joke.

 

 

Its a HUGE advantage.. And thats not an opinion.

 

Infact FA AA is actually better then the other auto aims because its less clingy, which means is more useful when you need it. The other AAs might lock on harder, but that can screw up the manual aim.

 

The FA AA can easily snap to a target and then allow you to adjust much more smoothly. This gives a huge advantage in shooting situations as the person using FA AA gets an instant snap while the actual FA player has to do it manually.

 

 

Yep.

 

This is very true, and a good point.

[am30]

 

 

 

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out).

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

 

 

 

You pretty much avoid free aim like the plague on console. So for you to sit there and constantly act like 'free aim assisted' is not an advantage is a joke.

 

 

Its a HUGE advantage.. And thats not an opinion.

 

Infact FA AA is actually better then the other auto aims because its less clingy, which means is more useful when you need it. The other AAs might lock on harder, but that can screw up the manual aim.

 

The FA AA can easily snap to a target and then allow you to adjust much more smoothly. This gives a huge advantage in shooting situations as the person using FA AA gets an instant snap while the actual FA player has to do it manually.

 

 

You have no idea what games I play so no need to make wild and incorrect assumptions (as usual).

 

I have used both FA and FAA and it is simply not as huge an advantage as you like to claim. Maybe in an invite only shooting NPC's but not in the usual laggy public session.

 

I have no issues using AA or having it screw up and find FA to be just as clunky as FAA and unusable assist in GTA O.

 

 

just a question on this , in free roam if u choose free aim , is it a free aim only loby? and does that not just result in everyone resorting to running people over in their cars?

 

thinking about trying it.

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out). In my experience, it's full of RPG enthusiasts and idiots in jets - even more so than auto-aim.

 

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

It workef for max payne 3.

They changed th formula and f'd it all up.

 

 

If free aim in GTA O worked like it does in Destiny, I would play free aim. Very smooth and controllable, especially for minor adjustment.

[SuperJude™]

Maybe you should switch to PS4 then.

Worst post of the day goes to this guy!

 

Yeah way to act like the Xbox crowd we used to mock for the same damn behavior. Lame.

[ten-a-penny]

 

Maybe you should switch to PS4 then.

Worst post of the day goes to this guy!

I'm not even remotely sure what did he meant. Exactly how is the PS4 even related in the subject? Ps4 = Enhanced Version? Bah. XB1 and PC also use the Enhanced Version of GTAV/O with (almost) literally no difference whatsoever.

[shadowoperative]

 

Maybe you should switch to PS4 then.

Worst post of the day goes to this guy!

 

Yeah way to act like the Xbox crowd we used to mock for the same damn behavior. Lame.

 

 

Remind me who you are and why I should give a sh*t what you think.

[SuperJude™]

No I refuse.

 

I would explain how back in the day Xbox users would arrogantly chide we PS users whenever we had complaints because their service was paid for and they said we were cheap or poor. I would explain how nowadays I see too many comments that are brainless versions of "get an Xbox" only now it's "get a ps4/you're poor" as if owning a ps3 invalidates any complaints.

 

I would also point out that now many PS users have morphed into that which we used to mock.

 

I'd explain all that but I am not dealing with people who have the capacity to understand so instead: f*ck off n00b u dont no me

[shadowoperative]

But I do know you. We used to play together.

 

PS4 is better than XBONE IMO. I have used both.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

 

 

Free aim will get mixed in with free aim assisted (which isn't as huge an advantage as it sounds or as some make out).

Personally, I leave free aim for games where it works.

 

 

 

You pretty much avoid free aim like the plague on console. So for you to sit there and constantly act like 'free aim assisted' is not an advantage is a joke.

 

 

Its a HUGE advantage.. And thats not an opinion.

 

Infact FA AA is actually better then the other auto aims because its less clingy, which means is more useful when you need it. The other AAs might lock on harder, but that can screw up the manual aim.

 

The FA AA can easily snap to a target and then allow you to adjust much more smoothly. This gives a huge advantage in shooting situations as the person using FA AA gets an instant snap while the actual FA player has to do it manually.

 

 

You have no idea what games I play so no need to make wild and incorrect assumptions (as usual).

 

I have used both FA and FAA and it is simply not as huge an advantage as you like to claim. Maybe in an invite only shooting NPC's but not in the usual laggy public session.

 

I have no issues using AA or having it screw up and find FA to be just as clunky as FAA and unusable assist in GTA O.

 

 

 

Dude.. im not claiming FA AA is a huge advantage. Im telling you it is, from 1st hand experience with it over the past year.

 

Ask any free aim player.. they will tell you it is. Because it is.

 

 

Ask any FA AA player... they will tell you it is..because thats why they use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hell....Thats why i use it even tho i don't want to. So im not sure who you are trying to fool, but it ain't me or anyone else in free aim thats for sure.

Edited January 30, 2016 by HulioG

[hornedturtle]

No I refuse.

 

I would explain how back in the day Xbox users would arrogantly chide we PS users whenever we had complaints because their service was paid for and they said we were cheap or poor. I would explain how nowadays I see too many comments that are brainless versions of "get an Xbox" only now it's "get a ps4/you're poor" as if owning a ps3 invalidates any complaints.

 

I would also point out that now many PS users have morphed into that which we used to mock.

 

I'd explain all that but I am not dealing with people who have the capacity to understand so instead: f*ck off n00b u dont no me

wait...they added the ability to play games on the xbone? I thought it was a netflix football box

[johnwontscore]

Jude, Shadowoperative is Mylungsareburning I think. We all used to play together at times.

[iRideIndependent]

But the real question is, what's the point of playing free aim if you're just gonna use the special carbine/carbine rifle and strafe aimed at head level?

 

See, people keep saying "Oh, skill, skill! Real men only!" But really, as a free aimer myself, that's all I see in PVP (as well as tons of explosives and miniguns and snipers of course).

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can kill anyone with any weapon - it's a lot more balanced in terms of what you can do regarding weapon choice. For example, I play in a motorcycle club a lot so I use typical "biker" weapons. I'm the only guy you'll catch using pistols on foot in online in the triple digit ranks, and it sucks bc every time I'm met with one of the previously mentioned weapons there's not a lot I can do even tho I still manage to hold my own.

 

But before you tell me to "adapt" or use stuff with "better performance", no. Yes, it's my choice to use "poor" weapons, but at least I'm playing GTA the way it's supposed to be played - like a criminal, not a Saints Row character.

 

 

 

tldr: Auto aim's nice bc you can use whatever you want and be a BEAST so long as you're semi-decent, neither modes have anything to do with skill

[Damned_Hitman]

 

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can kill anyone with any weapon - it's a lot more balanced in terms of what you can do regarding weapon choice. For example, I play in a motorcycle club a lot so I use typical "biker" weapons. I'm the only guy you'll catch using pistols on foot in online in the triple digit ranks, and it sucks bc every time I'm met with one of the previously mentioned weapons there's not a lot I can do even tho I still manage to hold my own.

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can use whatever you want and be a BEAST so long as you're semi-decent, neither modes have anything to do with skill

 

Sorry I'm going to challenge you right there.

 

Try using a shotgun as a weapon in autoaim, or better yet a vehicle / driveby in autoaim.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can kill anyone with any weapon - it's a lot more balanced in terms of what you can do regarding weapon choice. For example, I play in a motorcycle club a lot so I use typical "biker" weapons. I'm the only guy you'll catch using pistols on foot in online in the triple digit ranks, and it sucks bc every time I'm met with one of the previously mentioned weapons there's not a lot I can do even tho I still manage to hold my own.

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can use whatever you want and be a BEAST so long as you're semi-decent, neither modes have anything to do with skill

 

Sorry I'm going to challenge you right there.

 

Try using a shotgun as a weapon in autoaim, or better yet a vehicle / driveby in autoaim.

 

 

 

Guy says he likes AA because he can use pistols... But fails to understand that hes gonna get blasted in the face with the other more powerful weapons from players that also have AA involved.

 

If anything hes better off in FA with a pistol if it was pure FA. He can avoid getting shot and go for a head shot.

Edited January 31, 2016 by HulioG

[Rabid Vulpix]

I play assisted aim specifically because it's more populated, Contact Missions are few in free-aim compared to it.

 

I HATE how assisted-aim 75% of the time locks me onto a hostile npc whom isn't targeting me.

Even when I direct the aim, it "corrects it" back to the AI whom isn't the active threat, meanwhile the one I wanted to shoot, kills me.

I've had quite a few frustrating deaths because of bs assisted-aim mechanics against npcs.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Foreverpast

[iRideIndependent]

 

 

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can kill anyone with any weapon - it's a lot more balanced in terms of what you can do regarding weapon choice. For example, I play in a motorcycle club a lot so I use typical "biker" weapons. I'm the only guy you'll catch using pistols on foot in online in the triple digit ranks, and it sucks bc every time I'm met with one of the previously mentioned weapons there's not a lot I can do even tho I still manage to hold my own.

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can use whatever you want and be a BEAST so long as you're semi-decent, neither modes have anything to do with skill

Sorry I'm going to challenge you right there.

 

Try using a shotgun as a weapon in autoaim, or better yet a vehicle / driveby in autoaim.

Lol miss the part where I said I play in an MC? Shotgun drivebys from motorcycles since the first week of GTA:O in AA and still going strong in both AA and FA - you might be Free Aim Jesus but if you call that a challenge you can call me Free Aim God

 

 

 

 

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can kill anyone with any weapon - it's a lot more balanced in terms of what you can do regarding weapon choice. For example, I play in a motorcycle club a lot so I use typical "biker" weapons. I'm the only guy you'll catch using pistols on foot in online in the triple digit ranks, and it sucks bc every time I'm met with one of the previously mentioned weapons there's not a lot I can do even tho I still manage to hold my own.

 

Auto aim's nice bc you can use whatever you want and be a BEAST so long as you're semi-decent, neither modes have anything to do with skill

Sorry I'm going to challenge you right there.

 

Try using a shotgun as a weapon in autoaim, or better yet a vehicle / driveby in autoaim.

 

 

Guy says he likes AA because he can use pistols... But fails to understand that hes gonna get blasted in the face with the other more powerful weapons from players that also have AA involved.

 

If anything hes better off in FA with a pistol if it was pure FA. He can avoid getting shot and go for a head shot.

You're taking what I said completely out of context, allow me to clarify: regardless of aim assist or not, I still use pistols/SMGs/the assault rifle. Doesn't make any difference to me, if I'm gonna kill you in gonna kill you and come out on top. In AA, powerful weapons literally mean NOTHING so long as you know how to not stand in the open like a complete idiot. FA =/= Skill

[ten-a-penny]

Another thing that people keep forgetting:

 

FA = Attack skills. AA = Survive skills. Offense =/= Defense. In AA you die quicker than saying "I'm f*cked". That doesn't happen in (pure) FA. It works the other way around too. Killing in FA requires a lil' degree in skills, at least for an average player with a steady hand.

[Oobe]

That's how gta has always been.

This is not black ops battlefield starwars.

I grew up on gta and it's just how it is.

I hate those shooter games, it's just shooting all the time, no game.

Gta should be a fun game. There shouldn't even be free aim

[.Vooodu.]

Gta should be a fun game. There shouldn't even be free aim

 

 

How is aiming for yourself and enjoying the actually shooting aspect not fun?

 

I don't get it..

[ten-a-penny]

 

Gta should be a fun game. There shouldn't even be free aim

How is aiming for yourself and enjoying the actually shooting aspect not fun?

 

I don't get it..

I'm an AA through and through and I agree with you.