Fuzzknuckles Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 but PC goes so much more beyond that, it's not limited to some dumb games and netflix. What you can do is basically unlimited. But we're talking about the gaming master race. Again, I myself and many people I know have powerful machines, used not just for gaming, but for music and video production, 3D modelling and animation, and so on... But that's not the discussion, is it? The discussion is about the GAMING master race. Which PC gamers... aren't. Kampret 1 Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 By 2018 people will must to buy new gen consoles when I will probably just buy new card and just forget about it. Or maybe I will change both CPU and GPU and OC them to have even more time before upgrade. My old PC was rather weak and it was used for about 7 years so with this one I have now I can stick for over 10 years without upgrades. 2018? LOL! By the time 2018 arrived, PS4 and X1 will be running most current games (albeit with graphical drawbacks). While 2010 (that's what PC Elitists claimed CG consoles are on-par with) PC will struggle to run it. Naroon and Fuzzknuckles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I love my PC, I love gaming on it, I also love doing a lot of other things on it such as multimedia production, communication, recreational media consumption, etc. But I never considered myself a part of the "Mastur Reice" or anything. That attitude has never been about anything positive, but always about mindlessly bashing anything that's not some tricked out $12,000 machine of devastation in a pathetic attempt to appear superior to others via some silly social caste system that a bunch of neckbeards developed some day. The last time I was a fanboy of anything related to this stuff was back in the early PS3 days, and that even wore off as I got older and wiser (and generally less silly, though I am a goofball anyway lol...) I just consider myself a gamer. Don't care what platform it is, if I see something is fun, I'll try to play it, even if I have to emulate it on my PC. I don't arbitrarily limit myself due to some false sense of superiority, especially not one derived from being a sheep and following those losers at Reddit (a place no better than 4chan, just another cesspit of the internet, really.) As for that image posted above, I have a few counter-points (as it is just a silly propaganda image, lol.) *The whole "build an equivalent PC for the same price as a console and get better performance" thing is a myth. Seeing as how both consoles basically cost $400 now, there's literally no way you can build a decent machine *FROM SCRATCH* including the OS (Windows, Linux is not suitable for gaming no matter what anyone tells you) and a monitor, as well as a keyboard & mouse and have it be superior to either the PS4 or the X1. Yes, you can cheap out and get a really cheap keyboard & mouse combo, and you can say that "including the monitor isn't fair because they can use their TV", which is somewhat valid, but not everyone wants to do that. But even then, excluding the cost of the monitor, they still need to get Windoze, which will add about $90~$100+ to the overall build price. I could pick out a build using a low-end MOBO, a cheap processor, cheap everything (because people who use this argument always skimp out heavily on these parts in some shape or fashion) and then wind up blowing the budget ($400) before the rig would even be usable. *Consoles don't "struggle" to keep up because they were never meant to compete with PC in the first place. A console is a closed-spec special-purpose box where you're locked into an environment that the manufacturers want you to be in, but in exchange you get ease-of-use and a simplistic streamlined environment. Sony and MS could've made their consoles a lot stronger, but all that would've done is jacked up the prices to make the consoles completely unattractive for their target audiences. Remember how much of a fuss everyone threw when Sony announced the PS3's price point back at E3 2006 ($599 USD for the top-end model)? And that wasn't even because of the CPU or the GPU, no, it was because of the Blu-Ray Disc Drive it contained, which ironically was among the cheapest and highest quality BD drives you could get even when it came out (other basic standalone BD drives costed $1,000 and up at the time.) PC elitists always bash consoles because a rig having an i7 with two enthusiast-tier GPU's in Crossfire will sh*t on it... Well no f*cking sh*t it will, that's the whole point. With PC, you pay for high performance... That's not what a console is or ever was about. *Cheaper gaming is a joke as well. I routinely see just as many sales on the PlayStation Network as I do on Steam, Origin, GoG.com, Amazon, etc. You can find disc copies of PS3 and PS4 games for hella cheap just as you can PC games. This whole "PC games are cheep hurr durr" nonsense is an uninformed double-standard based off willful ignorance. The origin of this misnomer is the fact that lots of people will pointlessly binge-buy lots of cheap indie games and random games they'll never play on Steam any time a big sale happens, and then brag about how cheap PC gaming is (but then turn around and complain about how devs never support PC or whatever, etc.) *PS3 users have been enjoying free online play ever since 2006, but yeah, having to pay to play online on the 360, X1, and PS4 is lame. Another reason why it will be quite some time before I even bother getting a PS4. *Mod support is always great, but the fact is that 95% of mods are always poorly-thought out, glitchy, untested, terrible trash for almost every game out there. I've been suffering through horrible mods for about a decade now, and it hasn't gotten any worse. It's to be expected though, you give people mod tools and most people who use them will create things which should've never gotten past the "thought" stage. The other 5% of mods are the actual good ones that wind up being well-known throughout the community because everyone who has messed with mods in said community ignores everything else because it's trash. And then a lot of mods that did look like they were gonna be good end up getting canned because the guys working on it lost the passion they had or whatever, etc. (seen this too many times...) Basically, being an elitist about PC, or whatever console of your choice is just stupid. When I come across a console-only user who doesn't know much about PC's but is interested in them, I don't send them propaganda or belittle them for playing on a console, I offer them help and advice. That's how you "convert" people to PC, you don't do it by being some uptight douchemaster supreme about it. Just my two cents. I must say well said mate. Summed up my thoughts about "PC Master Race". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. While it's zomgtotallycool to be able to upgrade your hardware along the way, it's typically more expensive to upgrade a machine a few times over a similar period than it is to stick with a solidly built, set-standard machine. PC gamers could be blamed for the various delays in games, in as much as there's so much more compatibility QA that needs to be carried out to ensure games run on all the different specs people have. As someone that's worked in QA for over 10 years, I can honestly say that compatibility testing is one of the worst things about any software development. Spec-agnostic machines such as the PS4 and Xbone will continue to perform as well as people can make them for the duration of their cycles, whereas games destined solely for PC, or even multi-platform games, will suffer delays due to things like new graphics cards being released close to a game's release date. So, PC gamers, you have no one to blame but yourself for delays - the big delay to GTA V is almost certainly to allow for more QA to be carried out, and I'm willing to bet cold hard cash that it's the variety of GFX cards that's to blame. Master race what? Naroon and Kampret 2 Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc79 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) I consider it a much better platform, you have the option to upgrade it anytime you want, you set your in-game settings, resolution, and are not told what resolution/fps you can play. Edited November 27, 2014 by Marc79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowi Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 PC is better in everything than consoles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 PC is better in everything than consoles So it's better in a. Portability, b. User assembly c. Ease of Use ? I don't think so. Fuzzknuckles and Naroon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) I love how a handful of PC gamer responses to this are along the lines of "PC is bettar, end of story" Such clever, well thought out and eloquent responses. I expect nothing less from the master race. And yet, those of us that play on multiple platforms have been bringing actual reasons for not considering the PC-only gamers to be the master race. I wonder what that's all about. Edited November 27, 2014 by Fuzzknuckles Shaundi., Kampret and SightsIn 3 Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 There is no master race. There's no PC master race, there's no console master race, there's no multi-platform master race. These categorizations are meaningless. You have only your preferences and how strongly you feel about them. So much blame shifting going on here. One side is always at another's throat, even the side that claims to be balanced and neutral. Just stop with all of that sh*t. The whole term "master race" has risen from a joke. A f*cking sarcastic notion from one of Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation videos. Then it got turned into this big thing, and people started actually believing in the sh*t. Elitists and extremists started popping up everywhere. This term. " *PLATFORM* Master race". It's a joke. It was conceived as a joke and it should remain a joke. Because no human being with an independent thought in their mind would consider it as anything else. Play on whatever the f*ck you like. It's not going to make the PC version come any faster. What is going to make the PC version come faster is sleep. Something I need to get a lot of very soon because I'm rambling out of sheer sleep deprivation. MythAlex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yahtzee's a f*cking joke, I don't know why anyone even watches his reviews. Unfunny from start to finish. Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MK_ Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) It's called the MASTERRACE for a reason,well for a load of reasons,here they are along with some facts that the peasants should keep in mind... Keyboard,mouse and any controller to be used. Clearer image thanks to native resolution ,console games don't allow resolution adjustments. Free online services Bigger and better online services, for FREE,Much more online players. Higher framerates,Consoles can barely reach 30FPS. Faster than a PS4 or XBox One for the same price. Usable for work, education, as well as entertainment,PC's everywhere for multi use.consoles,good for what ? "playing on a couch" ?lol. Better price-performance than consoles Cheaper games Free game modifications and enhancements(Mods) larger storage. More exclusive games Healthy independent developer scene Gaben Free games Free abandonware titles Can emulate many console games using freely available emulators Increasingly cheaper hardware for the price as new GPUs are released Big Picture mode for couch gaming Easier to repair and highly modular Backward and forward hardware compatibility of ~2 years No punishments for repairing Can be upgraded Easy to upgrade Higher resolution (native to your display, amazingly sharp,4k,8k). Consoles struggle, even at 700-900p,upscaling. Higher graphical details (lighting, textures, foliage, particles, shading, weather,anti aliasing) jaggies,slow loading times,pop-in textures, aim bot(auto aim),while PC is free from that rubbish Graphical downgrades for consoles Oculus rift Full Customization So much products to choose from (free choice) Console games are made on PC Consoles hold down PC,while PC evolves consoles. Did i forget anything ? Call me whatever makes you feel good,this is strictly facts. Edited November 27, 2014 by MKIIIX MythAlex, LawasDS, Mash1995 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawasDS Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I also like consoles but to name a few this are the reasons I'm on PC now: Pros: - Free games (Make up your own conclusions, I'm not specifically saying the P word, you've got freemiums and games for 1 buck, also humblebundle free giveaways ...) - Cheaper games / Keys - Use any controler or mouse/keyboard you want to. - Higher resolutions and framerates. - Easy to use: Many of you say the PC sucks because you have to install the games blablabla, you gotta install them on consoles too, plus it gives me physical pleasure to be surfing on the net and just do a double click and start playing a game whenever I want. - Relatively cheap: Make your gaming/working/studying/media center PC for the same price you could get a console for. - Easy to upgrade. - Mods - Better graphics sometimes. Cons: - Most games are poorly optimized just to maximize sales on consoles, for pure lazyness or just because developers want some extra bucks from the PC crowd. - PC misses nice exclusives sometimes, like The Order, The last of Us, Forza.... - Requires some maintenance from time to time (Cleaning, clearing space in your HDD, organizing your desktop/folders, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishie Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) I've always been an advocate of the PC platform, but I felt my enthusiasm rapidly diminish with the advent of the latest consoles. There's something about the accessibility and consistency of a gaming console that's more appealing. I also found myself beginning to tire of the necessity to patch, troubleshoot, and tweak my games every five minutes to achieve a satisfactory experience. With consoles, there is little to no emphasis on upgrading. I am guaranteed the same experience as my fellow PS4 owners, even five years down the line. One of my biggest grievances with the PC platform is the advancement of hardware. I spent a considerable amount on my system, and it already feels dated in contrast to what's currently available. No matter how compelling opposing arguments might be, I've yet to see a gaming PC in the £350 price bracket that accompanies peripherals, an operating system, and produces performance on par with the current generation of consoles. The fact of the matter is, the PS4 and Xbox One are very good value at their intended price point. They are internet capable, fare well for gaming and media, and have a prominent library of exclusives. They are accessible and affordable. Bottom line, PCs are not the be all and end all. They have their place, but consoles are equally relevant.(An amalgamation of different posts I've made recently on the subject.) Edited November 27, 2014 by Bishie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolstream Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 PC is better in everything than consoles So it's better in a. Portability, b. User assembly c. Ease of Use ? I don't think so. That depends on your overall build, you can build a PC weighing in around 30KG, huge case and absolutely zero portability or you can build a PC specifically for those intentions. There really is no excuse. PCs can be built before shipped to you, or you might have a friend interested in doing it for you even though it's not a difficult task. Ease of use is about as subjective as it comes. You make it as simple as you want it to be, it's up to you to use Windows 7 or SteamOS for that matter. Evan-KCR and MythAlex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utack Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. Weaker hardware compared to what PS/360 had for their time on launch and 4k tv's on the rise. That is lowering the lifespan of consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sikee Atric Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. Weaker hardware compared to what PS/360 had for their time on launch and 4k tv's on the rise.That is lowering the lifespan of consoles. Is it? Ok, it is time to talk physics here. The limit of current computing is light speed! The speed of modern processors have again hit the limit. The reason processors went multi-core is because they reached the physical limit of speed, now multi-core processors are hitting the limit again, so the only answer is to add more cores! New-gen processors are running 8 cores now, so the argument of more speed is pointless! They do not need more cores now, so they will have a good lifespan. Tech will not advance for the foreseeable future. The only answer for speed is faster than light processors, aka, quantum computers. If we can figure them out, that will be the next big advancement. But it could take a lifetime.... So new-gen and future gen will not get quicker, just add more cores.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaxi Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. Weaker hardware compared to what PS/360 had for their time on launch and 4k tv's on the rise.That is lowering the lifespan of consoles. Is it? Ok, it is time to talk physics here. The limit of current computing is light speed! The speed of modern processors have again hit the limit. The reason processors went multi-core is because they reached the physical limit of speed, now multi-core processors are hitting the limit again, so the only answer is to add more cores! New-gen processors are running 8 cores now, so the argument of more speed is pointless! They do not need more cores now, so they will have a good lifespan. Tech will not advance for the foreseeable future. The only answer for speed is faster than light processors, aka, quantum computers. If we can figure them out, that will be the next big advancement. But it could take a lifetime.... So new-gen and future gen will not get quicker, just add more cores.... consoles is still not the pc their process very very different than on pc dont compared this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Red Nurgling Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. Weaker hardware compared to what PS/360 had for their time on launch and 4k tv's on the rise. That is lowering the lifespan of consoles. The hardware may be weaker, but that's because Moore's Law is no longer in place and the prices aren't going down as fast as they used to, so their lifespan may actually be getting longer rather than shorter. Most, if not all major improvements in hardware these days are due to architectural improvements rather than downscaling, which is too expensive at this point, and even if it hadn't become this expensive, we'd still have quantum mechanics making it impossible for us after a certain point. This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. Weaker hardware compared to what PS/360 had for their time on launch and 4k tv's on the rise.That is lowering the lifespan of consoles. Is it? Ok, it is time to talk physics here. The limit of current computing is light speed! The speed of modern processors have again hit the limit. The reason processors went multi-core is because they reached the physical limit of speed, now multi-core processors are hitting the limit again, so the only answer is to add more cores! New-gen processors are running 8 cores now, so the argument of more speed is pointless! They do not need more cores now, so they will have a good lifespan. Tech will not advance for the foreseeable future. The only answer for speed is faster than light processors, aka, quantum computers. If we can figure them out, that will be the next big advancement. But it could take a lifetime.... So new-gen and future gen will not get quicker, just add more cores.... Don't forget how you design the computer is very important as well, and I don't think light speed is really the best explanation as to why we've stagnated. Silicon as a semiconducting material is starting to show its age very quickly, and within the next 20 years, we could very well come to see it replaced with new materials like graphene, carbon nanotubes (which is basically just cylindrical graphene), or even with optical computers that run operations in parallel, which one company is supposedly trying to turn into a consumer-ready product within the next 10 years. The point is, both their early models seem to show improvements in speed that are orders of magnitude better than the same proportion of silicon transistors, but they don't rely on any changes to light speed. I wouldn't think there is any computer that can process that fast as of yet anyway, since we're more or less dealing with electrons traveling across a medium. Edited November 27, 2014 by Little Red Nurgling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaxi Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Don't forget how you design the computer is very important as well, and I don't think light speed is really the best explanation as to why we've stagnated. Silicon as a semiconducting material is starting to show its age very quickly, and within the next 20 years, we could very well come to see it replaced with new materials like graphene, carbon nanotubes (which is basically just cylindrical graphene), or even with optical computers that run operations in parallel, which one company is supposedly trying to turn into a consumer-ready product within the next 10 years. The point is, both their early models seem to both show improvements in speed that are orders of magnitude better than the same proportion of silicon transistors, but they don't rely on any changes to light speed. i've just read futuristic sh*t lol how you want make crystal (transistors) in carbon how it might help we have now quantum computers and its still useless for industry Edited November 27, 2014 by Andreas Removed quote-train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Red Nurgling Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) i've just read futuristic sh*t lol how you want make crystal (transistors) in carbon how it might help we have now quantum computers and its still useless for industry I'd suggest you read up on that, since it would take too long for me to explain. Short version: graphene transistors have a shorter switch time than that of silicon since graphene's electrons encounter far less resistance. Not only that, but it's considerably more energy efficient, is becoming easier to manufacture (therefore, cheaper), and can be downscaled further than silicon. Edited November 27, 2014 by Little Red Nurgling Removed quote-train. Thalyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sikee Atric Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) i've just read futuristic sh*t lol how you want make crystal (transistors) in carbon how it might help we have now quantum computers and its still useless for industry I'd suggest you read up on that, since it would take too long for me to explain. Short version: graphene transistors have a shorter switch time than that of silicon since graphene's electrons encounter far less resistance. Not only that, but it's considerably more energy efficient, is becoming easier to manufacture (therefore, cheaper), and can be downscaled further than silicon. In time, we'll get new tech like this, but we are still several years off from making it an affordable reality in every home. Consoles are going to close the gap with PC's in the meantime, since they are already pushing what is possible with silicon. The only reason the New-Gen processors are set to be so 'lazy' is because they are forced to work in cramped enviroments with limited airflow. Heat and speed are the two crutches the PC is currently lumbered with. So, back to your 'poll'. The so-called 'PC Master Race' are up a certain creek without a paddle for the forseeable future. Better to just be a gamer and enjoy what we have.... Besides, if the new conductors prove a serious problem to produce, the console could catch up to the limit as well. We'd have little difference between PC's and consoles in terms of what they do and where they are located in the house. Even game 'ports' would just be straight swaps between platforms, withouit any real hardware differences. That's scary ain't it Master Race? Edited November 27, 2014 by Sikee Atric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverRST Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I consider the PC a Master Race because of full freedom. You can use any gamepad on it. Mods that you can make yourself or install others mod to suits your needs or what you desire. Upgrading a part when the current part doesn't cut it anymore without buying a whole new PC. Most of the time it is the GPU. And one of the most important reason: mouse and keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Red Nurgling Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) i've just read futuristic sh*t lol how you want make crystal (transistors) in carbon how it might help we have now quantum computers and its still useless for industry I'd suggest you read up on that, since it would take too long for me to explain. Short version: graphene transistors have a shorter switch time than that of silicon since graphene's electrons encounter far less resistance. Not only that, but it's considerably more energy efficient, is becoming easier to manufacture (therefore, cheaper), and can be downscaled further than silicon. In time, we'll get new tech like this, but we are still several years off from making it an affordable reality in every home. Consoles are going to close the gap with PC's in the meantime, since they are already pushing what is possible with silicon. The only reason the New-Gen processors are set to be so 'lazy' is because they are forced to work in cramped enviroments with limited airflow. Heat and speed are the two crutches the PC is currently lumbered with. So, back to your 'poll'. The so-called 'PC Master Race' are up a certain creek without a paddle for the forseeable future. Better to just be a gamer and enjoy what we have.... Besides, if the new conductors prove a serious problem to produce, the console could catch up to the limit as well. We'd have little difference between PC's and consoles in terms of what they do and where they are located in the house. Even game 'ports' would just be straight swaps between platforms, withouit any real hardware differences. That's scary ain't it Master Race? On the other hand, it may come to a point where consoles no longer exist, and where what accounts for a console is a PC set up in the living room and hooked up to a controller, because we must not forget why consoles are still popular in the first place: ease of access, and affordability. Programs such as Steam have already hugely improved the accessibility factor of the PC, and the results of which have only built the platform's numbers up over the last few years. If, in some unlikely scenario, the prices for hardware manage to keep falling despite the lack of new and better hardware coming out, then that affordability problem would be virtually eliminated as well. There would be little difference between either's price since they would both be defaulted on the same cheap hardware with the PC having little if any room to go above and beyond, further improving the accessibility factor since peoples' understanding of computer hardware is another factor that keeps the PC from becoming a more popular platform. By then, the only difference worth considering would be that one has an OS with a bunch of corporate restrictions, and the other does not, so in the end, assuming people like an open platform over a closed one, if there still is a conflict of platforms, it wouldn't be open PC vs. closed console so much as it would be PC OS #1 vs. PC OS #2, just like Windows vs. Mac is today. Edited November 27, 2014 by Little Red Nurgling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogensia Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 PCs are superior but most AAA games today are conceived and developed with consoles in mind: Analog control curves that aren't ported properly for mouse, low fov for couch-to-tv distance, are just a couple of examples or design patterns that afflict many AAA games, and unless things that have to be considered early in development if a PC version is in the works. Many devs fail to do this. Hell, some titles completely break when we try to play them at higher than 30fps. Games developers rely of their ability to lock the games settings on consoles, thus crippling the scalability we should have on PC. PC can be much more than it is, and a few games already prove it, usually PC exclusive titles. But with the game industry focused on consoles, it's hard for me to call PCs the master race, at least when it comes to gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camfagta Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) This generation will probably have a similar 8-10 year cycle like the previous generation. While it's zomgtotallycool to be able to upgrade your hardware along the way, it's typically more expensive to upgrade a machine a few times over a similar period than it is to stick with a solidly built, set-standard machine. PC gamers could be blamed for the various delays in games, in as much as there's so much more compatibility QA that needs to be carried out to ensure games run on all the different specs people have. As someone that's worked in QA for over 10 years, I can honestly say that compatibility testing is one of the worst things about any software development. Spec-agnostic machines such as the PS4 and Xbone will continue to perform as well as people can make them for the duration of their cycles, whereas games destined solely for PC, or even multi-platform games, will suffer delays due to things like new graphics cards being released close to a game's release date. So, PC gamers, you have no one to blame but yourself for delays - the big delay to GTA V is almost certainly to allow for more QA to be carried out, and I'm willing to bet cold hard cash that it's the variety of GFX cards that's to blame. Master race what? This is one of the most misinformed things i have read in a looooooong time. First off, Over the course of an 8-10 year cycle, (ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS THAT LONG) a pc is actually WAY cheaper than a console. (unless you only buy 1 game over the course of 8 years and dont play online). 8*$50 to play online is 400$! so over the course of 8 years, you would have paid 800$ for your 400$ console. But then. lets throw in 3 60$ games each year, (im being generous by making it only 3 games, the difference is more extreme the more games you buy, ill also make pc games an average of 35$ as opposed to 20ish as it should be) thats nearly 1500$! (1440$). So over 8 years you would have spent about 2500$ on that "cheap" console. Meanwhile, lets say you paid 800$ for a beast pc today, and then bought 3 games, a year, at 35$, thats a total of 1640 over the course of 8 years. leaving you with nearly 1000$ left over, which, you could then use half, for an new cpu and gpu, and it would still be cheaper than the console alternative, and waaaaaay more powerful. (assuming the upgrade would be in 2017, the upgrade would make you 4k capable, while the now 5 year old consoles are struggling to run 720p30fps, because in 2017 graphics are going to be much more intensive) about pc's causing delays? yeah, i can believe that. But i would rather wait 3 more months for 1080p60fps (or more) than have the game now at 30FPS FOREVER. Edited November 27, 2014 by camfagta Bodge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroon Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's called the MASTERRACE for a reason,well for a load of reasons,here they are along with some facts that the peasants should keep in mind... Keyboard,mouse and any controller to be used. Clearer image thanks to native resolution ,console games don't allow resolution adjustments. Free online services Bigger and better online services, for FREE,Much more online players. Higher framerates,Consoles can barely reach 30FPS. Faster than a PS4 or XBox One for the same price. Usable for work, education, as well as entertainment,PC's everywhere for multi use.consoles,good for what ? "playing on a couch" ?lol. Better price-performance than consoles Cheaper games Free game modifications and enhancements(Mods) larger storage. More exclusive games Healthy independent developer scene Gaben Free games Free abandonware titles Can emulate many console games using freely available emulators Increasingly cheaper hardware for the price as new GPUs are released Big Picture mode for couch gaming Easier to repair and highly modular Backward and forward hardware compatibility of ~2 years No punishments for repairing Can be upgraded Easy to upgrade Higher resolution (native to your display, amazingly sharp,4k,8k). Consoles struggle, even at 700-900p,upscaling. Higher graphical details (lighting, textures, foliage, particles, shading, weather,anti aliasing) jaggies,slow loading times,pop-in textures, aim bot(auto aim),while PC is free from that rubbish Graphical downgrades for consoles Oculus rift Full Customization So much products to choose from (free choice) Console games are made on PC Consoles hold down PC,while PC evolves consoles. Did i forget anything ? Call me whatever makes you feel good,this is strictly facts. You say these are facts, but many of them are not. Some are, so I won't address them. *Some games don't even properly support gamepads, and some don't support them at all. In that case, you have to use an external program like Joy2Key or something and painstakingly have your gamepad emulate keyboard and mouse commands. Much fun, so intuitive, very wow. *A lot of games do have free online besides many MMO's, though this is obvious. *I don't see how the online services are "bigger and better". Steam is the most popular one, but the actual client software sucks complete ballsack and has for years, has tons of issues and is still missing basic functionality that should've been there years ago. Not to mention MANY games on Steam are either abandoned in the multiplayer or have very few people playing them, even games that came out just a year ago. *There's a decent amount of console titles in CG that reach 60fps, though others offer a 30fps cap for various reasons, whether it's hardware deficiency or for the sake of smoothness (a consistent 30fps is more fluent than a rapidly fluctuating 40~50~60fps is) *I already obliterated the "faster for the same price" nonsense earlier in this thread, and it'll be even less credible when the consoles receive price drops down the line. *Usable for work and education? This point is stupid. Who in the bloody hell would buy a *dedicated gaming machine*, i.e. a console, for work or education? Come on dude, really? *Better price/perf is a lie. Already pointed this out twice. *Cheaper games, already addressed this myth as well. Most PC games cost the same as they do on console when they first launch. *Consoles have free games too. *LOL @ aimbot for consoles, there are PC games with that as well. CoD on PC enables auto-aim automatically if you use a gamepad. And don't get me started on the *actual* aim-bot users in many shooters... *Consoles aren't holding down anything. If devs wanted to push PC more, they would, but for whatever reason most of them don't. And you if you say this and honestly believe it, you clearly haven't seen Crysis series and Metro games. Most of the other stuff on your list was redundant entries where you repeated yourself for no reason other than to make your list appear bigger than it really was. Obvious stuff that shouldn't have even been said, really. Like I said earlier, there's no point in trying to justify why PC is superior to console when a console's role was NEVER to try and one-up the PC or even compete with it as a platform. Jesus... johnstamosk2873, Kampret, Bishie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webe123 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) As far as me loving PC's yes I do....for two mian reasons....UPGRADEABILITY and MODS....when you can upgrade components on a console to make it faster and be able to mod it like you can on a PC I will be in...until then...I am not. Consoles like the PS2 used to have things you could make cheats for games like the gameshark...but of course they did away with that on the next generation PS3...so screw consoles. I like to have freedom to mod my games and upgrade my parts on PC. Until that changes about consoles, I will simply not buy one! Though with Rovckstars mentality about PC's, it would not surprise me at all if this version was the "Last GTA" they made for PC's...simply because of how long it was delayed. I do not believe for a second they could not have released it earlier, they just did not want to. Edited November 27, 2014 by webe123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunk41 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) "Man, f*ck this Employee of the Month sh*t, homie." No, but seriously. Play on whatever you want. I choose PC beacuse it's a better long-term investment for me and the people I play with are on pc. Edited November 27, 2014 by hunk41 Xerukal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbeau Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I don't like the whole «pc master race» concept, but in term of power it's clear that pc as a lot more to offer. I grew up with consoles and never knew the advantages I had in pc gaming. Once I built my first gaming pc, I saw the potential. I like to upgrade, so when I don't have money I keep my config, and when I can I buy some stuff. I have a 1440p screen, i7 4770k, GTX 690, 32 gb ram.... and for now I'm happy with it. But I like gaming on console too, I had the commodore 64, nes, sega genesis, ps1, dreamcast, ps2, xbox 360, nintendo ds, ps3, wii u, ps vita, ps4. Always like Sony first party titles. I like controllers more than keyboard and mouse (even though they are more precise). Just play on what you like and spend what you're willing to spend to game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Danny K Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) This whole "PC Master Race" thing is f*cking dumb if you ask me... It only creates antagonism towards PC gamers Consolers think we're a bunch of stupid 12 years olds And when it comes to the GTA series and Rockstar's "love and respect" of their PC fanbase... Edited November 28, 2014 by Big Danny K Naroon, Kampret, utack and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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