RDR versus GTAV

[jamieleng]

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M's special ability/F's special ability

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I think you'll agree that Marston's Dead Eye system (slo-mo shooting & being able to tag multiple enemies) is much more satisfying to use. The only special ability I find useful in V is Franklin's slo-mo driving & you sort of have that in RDR, activating Dead Eye while on horseback. Edited December 25, 2014 by jamieleng

[Kurt370]

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[PoeticWhisper]

I liked the gun play better in RDR, the bullet wounds and blood splatter was f*cking amazing. It was so fulfilling to blast someone away with the auto shotgun.

[Fallcreek]

I did like how Red Dead Redemption touched upon philosophy, every character had a deeper reason for their actions.

[Rick Limes]

Read Dead Redemption 2 = Shark Cards to buy monkey masks and laser revolvers...

 

The horror! The horror!

[DANIEL3GS]

I liked the gun play better in RDR, the bullet wounds and blood splatter was f*cking amazing. It was so fulfilling to blast someone away with the auto shotgun.

 

The blood looks better in comparison to the next gen version of GTAV, especially when its on the ground. Keep in mind that the game came out on a older console and the game itself is much older.

Edited December 25, 2014 by DANIEL3GS

[MrDeSanta]

Rockstar is getting lazier.

How come the game like RDR which was made 4 years ago on old gen and with half of the budged V had, did do better in so many aspects?

Why they couldn`t make the gun damage system the same for V when they had more resources and more money to do so?

This is very flawed if you ask me. You shoot someone in the leg or arm and he will act the same while in RDR they will act properly.

 

Remember at least 6-7 type of executions we had in RDR? Gore was and absolute madness. You could shoot someone in each knee and then when they fell down on it you could get close to them and blow their brains out with sawn-off shotgun. It was very graphic and it felt really terrible.

You actually felt bad for doing that because everything was so real and graphic and the person were reacting very realistic. Blood, screams, moans, begging, all that felt so natural.

 

In V killing people is really bland and shallow. Like you`re killing some dummies.

 

Not that i`m some psycho who likes to watch gore but i like having things more real and graphic. Because the result is completely vice versa.

After i executed few people on various ways in RDR just for test i never wanted to harm anyone anymore in that game except in the missions of course.. Everything felt so realistic that i actually felt bad for those people.

I don`t have that feeling in V when killing those brainless robots.

 

Now i think this is a good pinpoint about which game has more details.

 

RDR wins in every way.

[PhillBellic]

The wildlife system was better in RDR. Furthermore I enjoyed the use of horses as a method of transportation as well.

[DANIEL3GS]

Rockstar is getting lazier.

How come the game like RDR which was made 4 years ago on old gen and with half of the budged V had, did do better in so many aspects?

Why they couldn`t make the gun damage system the same for V when they had more resources and more money to do so?

This is very flawed if you ask me. You shoot someone in the leg or arm and he will act the same while in RDR they will act properly.

 

Remember at least 6-7 type of executions we had in RDR? Gore was and absolute madness. You could shoot someone in each knee and then when they fell down on it you could get close to them and blow their brains out with sawn-off shotgun. It was very graphic and it felt really terrible.

You actually felt bad for doing that because everything was so real and graphic and the person were reacting very realistic. Blood, screams, moans, begging, all that felt so natural.

 

In V killing people is really bland and shallow. Like you`re killing some dummies.

 

Not that i`m some psycho who likes to watch gore but i like having things more real and graphic. Because the result is completely vice versa.

After i executed few people on various ways in RDR just for test i never wanted to harm anyone anymore in that game except in the missions of course.. Everything felt so realistic that i actually felt bad for those people.

I don`t have that feeling in V when killing those brainless robots.

 

Now i think this is a good pinpoint about which game has more details.

 

RDR wins in every way.

 

Wow, its like you can read my mind. Exactly

[DANIEL3GS]

The wildlife system was better in RDR. Furthermore I enjoyed the use of horses as a method of transportation as well.

 

Why would they make the cougar appear on the map before its attacking you?! In Red Dead Redemption it appeared out of nowhere and attacked you.

 

Edited December 25, 2014 by DANIEL3GS

[Duke'O Death]

Because rockstar used there own thoughts rather than everyone elses. They put more thought in RDR that it has to be one of there best games yet. The only flaw I had with RDR is that it was so boring to travel across the map especially when you want to get to a mission faster

[MrDeSanta]

Because rockstar used there own thoughts rather than everyone elses. They put more thought in RDR that it has to be one of there best games yet. The only flaw I had with RDR is that it was so boring to travel across the map especially when you want to get to a mission faster

You had an option to fast travel which was amazing.

Besides if you`re one with the nature like me it will never get boring.

 

However i do have 2 major complaints about RDR:

-glitches (this was possibly the most glitchiest game i`ve ever played. I`m sure we all know funny glitches in Armadillo poker room and Herbert Moon glitches)

-wolves. Wolves in RDR got to be the most annoying ingame anmal ever. Their spawning system was totally screwed and i often had chances to kill few hundreds of them in a matter of minutes. Also they were in every part of the map which is unrealistic. Wolves shouldn`t be in Mexican desert. They were also too agressive and they were barking like domesticated dogs.

It seems Rockstar failed to do the research on wolves in real life but every other animal in RDR was just perfect.

Remember how fast cougars were in RDR? He could almost catch you up on a fast horse. This is realistic since cougar is very fast animal but in V he is as slow as human. You can almost outrun him in V.

[Gavlah]

having owned/played every grand theft auto and owned every rockstar game for the xbox 360. I must admit RDR is a cracking game, but what they learnt from it and what innovations they have added to it the game, shows in GTAV. Without RDR, personally I don't think that GTA V would have been as good.

 

realistically i think you are a fool comparing a game that is 4 years old to a game that is just over a year old. technology changes a lot, and so do game engines.

 

the op knew this would spark a debate.

[Raiden1018]

Red Dead in every single way except animations.

 

 

With RDR R* managed to develop a masterpiece, no other game last gen amazed me so much, GTAV sucked balls (yes it did and that won't change unlike PC version is out with modders to make it the game we saw November 2, 2011)

Will you get over yourself? GTAV is a great game. Stop being aggy.

 

Right on Bro, that dude needs to fall in line and just love the game for what it is.

 

It does not matter what innovations Rockstar made with other titles, and didn't bring into GTA V...stop fantasizing and questioning things and just love the game already.

 

Translation: You don't like what I like so I'm pretty asshurt and angry.

 

With RDR R* managed to develop a masterpiece, no other game last gen amazed me so much, GTAV sucked balls (yes it did and that won't change unlike PC version is out with modders to make it the game we saw November 2, 2011)

Ha, you're laughable. You think mods will make it look like that?

 

Don't let go of the hope. GTAV alpha was the greatest game of all time. It had that feeling..that special feeling. I always watch trailer one and fantasize.... Makes me wanna cry

[Official General]

 

Because rockstar used there own thoughts rather than everyone elses. They put more thought in RDR that it has to be one of there best games yet. The only flaw I had with RDR is that it was so boring to travel across the map especially when you want to get to a mission faster

You had an option to fast travel which was amazing.

Besides if you`re one with the nature like me it will never get boring.

 

However i do have 2 major complaints about RDR:

-glitches (this was possibly the most glitchiest game i`ve ever played. I`m sure we all know funny glitches in Armadillo poker room and Herbert Moon glitches)

-wolves. Wolves in RDR got to be the most annoying ingame anmal ever. Their spawning system was totally screwed and i often had chances to kill few hundreds of them in a matter of minutes. Also they were in every part of the map which is unrealistic. Wolves shouldn`t be in Mexican desert. They were also too agressive and they were barking like domesticated dogs.

It seems Rockstar failed to do the research on wolves in real life but every other animal in RDR was just perfect.

Remember how fast cougars were in RDR? He could almost catch you up on a fast horse. This is realistic since cougar is very fast animal but in V he is as slow as human. You can almost outrun him in V.

 

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

I agree with most things you have been saying so far recently in this thread, but you are wrong about one thing. In real life, there are indeed wolves that live in the Mexican desert, Rockstar did their research well. And to be more accurate, most of the land on the Mexican side in RDR was not desert, it was semi-arid terrain with vegetation, like rocky outcrops, chaparral, brush etc - typically where wolves in Mexico inhabit.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_wolf

 

I have to admit though, the wolves in RDR did get a bit annoying, but I guess it's just part of the challenge, I still enjoyed finding ways to kill them or just flee from them.

 

@ Duke

 

Travelling across the map in RDR was one of the best things about the game, I don't know how you can say it's boring, and even though I respect your opinion, I'm just countering it. Like Mr DeSanta, I like wildlife, and I really enjoyed just slowly riding my horse in the wilderness, day or night listening out for various animal sounds, seeing animals in action in the wild. You just never knew what kind of creature you'd see at any given time, there was all sorts of animals lurking around. Another thing was the random events, as repetitive as they were, it was still fun to be travelling and just randomly encounter them, because they were still varied, and still fun. I loved travelling across RDR's map, I will never forget my first moments doing it.

Edited December 25, 2014 by Official General

[Raiden1018]

 

 

Why even compare to red dead redemption?! the games are worlds apart! Just both rockstar games i guess?

Well... At least its got its own thread.

 

OP. Yeah, RDR was an awesome game for sure! The random missions were pretty awesome too! I loved those in RDR and was hoping for something very similar in GTA V Ps3. The Randoms in GTA V were awesome but you could really only do them once.. which was a bit of a downer.. I wish they add a crap ton more of these and make them repeat over time.

 

They will add things eventually, good things come to those who wait.

 

Red dead was amazing. I spent i think 30 hours hunting lol GTA V is amazing too (for me anyway) but in a different way

 

probably the dumbest thing Ive read on the forums. Thanks for the christmas laugh

 

To those who wait? Good things should come to those who f*cking payed cash money for the f*cking game when it f*cking released. SA delivered on release. No DLC necessary. RDR delivered on release. No DLC necessary but then they delivered again with Undead Nightmare. Since Vs release its been desperately crying for DLC. And that little '30 hours hunting bit' is just making you look like even more of a f*cking idiot considering theres TONS to do in RDR

[UAL]

RDR had...

 

Better guns

Better gun sounds

Better story

Better NPC behaviour

Better details (e.g. watching someone pin a wanted poster to the wall after you took the last one)

Better score

Better wildlife/eco system

Better in game atmosphere

 

Just generally a better game really.

[Official General]

RDR had...

 

Better guns

Better gun sounds

Better story

Better NPC behaviour

Better details (e.g. watching someone pin a wanted poster to the wall after you took the last one)

Better score

Better wildlife/eco system

Better in game atmosphere

 

Just generally a better game really.

 

RDR was Rockstar's best game of the last-gen, it's as simple as that.

[Amistrulez]

RDR had absolutely no f*cking thing to do after story, except hunting bears...

[Geeteeaifive]

i thought blind as f*ck console gamers didnt care about these things. Well pc has none of these.

[UAL]

RDR had absolutely no f*cking thing to do after story, except hunting bears...

 

My ONLY gripe with RDR was free roam after the main story. I can't lie it did get a tad boring, this was probably because travelling by horse was the only option.

 

Mad thing is during the story I had no problems with only being able to travel by horse, it was one of the funnest things in the game for me.

 

But I dunno once the missions were over it just made things a tiny bit boring.

 

BUT

 

During the story this game was untouchable IMO. Was so original and new, everything about it was great. I don't think theres another game out there with such satisfying gun fights, they really nailed it.

[MrDeSanta]

@official general, i admit i didn`t know this. I haven`t read that link yet so i don`t know if it`s about grey wolves or any other.

Yes i could be wrong but what about their barking? Wolves can bark but very diferent from domestic dogs and they do it rarely. In RDR they always bark.

Anyway there are way too agressive. Perhaps wild animals were more agressive back then than they are now but still. Too many of them, too agressive and that barking thing. It`s pretty much only complaint i have on R`s wildlife.

 

Yes, Nuevo Paraiso isn`t just the desert but there isn`t one spot in RDR`s map where there wouldn`t be plenty of wolves. Except for the small part of McFarlane`s ranch if i remember correctly. They are even in Stilwater Creek where is swampy area.

But i don`t think that was made intentionally, perhaps it`s some sort of bug because the numbers of wolves spawning is simply ridiculous. But it has one good side- you can make alot of money from their body parts.

I could ussually score more than 1000$ in 1 hour hunting wolves.

 

But cougars, man they are made just perfect. I was afraid everytime i rode through Rio Bravo. When i heard that terrifying cougar scream it scared the sh*t out of me.

Or bears in Tall Trees. I even bought myself a pair of headsets because it was easy to hear them coming by heavy breathing.

 

In short, everything is made so good and realistic. V is good but it loses all it`s shine when compared to RDR.

When you`re literally shocked by execution of an ingame character or when your skin is crawling from fear when you`re attacked by cougar or bear then you know it`s a helluva good game.

[Official General]

@ UAL

 

When you mean RDR was kinda boring after the main story, do you mean only playing as Marston ? Because you still can do missions playing as Marston's son to get revenge for your father's death, and I really enjoyed doing that. Playing as Marston's son, I even killed the Edgar Ross's brother just to even things out - even though he did nothing wrong ! I nearly killed Ross's wife, but I let her live, because she sounded so sweet. There were still bounty missions, and small side missions left to do if you looked closely.

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

Cougars are my favorite animals in the RDR. They looked real, they moved real, and they were f*cking frightening animals. The shrieking of a cougar always had me running wild all over the place, especially when I couldn't see it ! Cougars in GTA V were terrible, it's like Rockstar shouldn't even have bothered.

Edited December 25, 2014 by Official General

[Raiden1018]

 

RDR had absolutely no f*cking thing to do after story, except hunting bears...

 

My ONLY gripe with RDR was free roam after the main story. I can't lie it did get a tad boring, this was probably because travelling by horse was the only option.

 

Mad thing is during the story I had no problems with only being able to travel by horse, it was one of the funnest things in the game for me.

 

But I dunno once the missions were over it just made things a tiny bit boring.

 

BUT

 

During the story this game was untouchable IMO. Was so original and new, everything about it was great. I don't think theres another game out there with such satisfying gun fights, they really nailed it.

 

Nothing says exhilaration like 'yoga, tennis, darts, and cheesy little cutscenes that play after you switch characters

RDR had absolutely no f*cking thing to do after story, except hunting bears...

When excuses hit rock bottom, you just keep on digging for gold but fail miserably. There's TONS to do after the campaign and that is NOT subjective. It is FACTUAL. Side quests, robberies, activities, random events, hunting, collecting outfits, searching for treasure, taking over gang hide-outs, helping out random strangers, horse-breaking, duels, the list goes ON and ON.

[UAL]

@ UAL

 

When you mean RDR was kinda boring after the main story, do you mean only playing as Marston ? Because you still can do missions playing as Marston's son to get revenge for your father's death, and I really enjoyed doing that. Playing as Marston's son, I even killed the Edgar Ross's brother just to even things out - even though he did nothing wrong ! I nearly killed Ross's wife, but I let her live, because she sounded so sweet. There were still bounty missions, and small side missions left to do if you looked closely.

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

Cougars are my favorite animals in the RDR. They looked real, they moved real, and they were f*cking frightening animals. The shrieking of a cougar always had me running wild all over the place, especially when I couldn't see it ! Cougars in GTA V were terrible, it's like Rockstar shouldn't even have bothered.

 

Yeah I mean after all that, tbf I done most of the random person missions while I was doing the story.

 

I done those extra random person missions with Marstons son. Literally wiped out his whole family, wife included - I was that pissed off with how Marston got f*cked over and how things ended up for him. Which just goes to show how good the story/writing was.

 

I also like how RDR had REAL random occurrences, not just repetitive scripted events like V. I remember just walking around Armadillo and then I heard all this commotion and one of the gangs (forget the name, Bollard gang was it? :s) were riding through town about 5 deep letting off shots in the air and they were dragging some random guy with a lasso along the ground. This didn't even show up on the radar was literally a random event.

[MrDeSanta]

 

@ UAL

 

When you mean RDR was kinda boring after the main story, do you mean only playing as Marston ? Because you still can do missions playing as Marston's son to get revenge for your father's death, and I really enjoyed doing that. Playing as Marston's son, I even killed the Edgar Ross's brother just to even things out - even though he did nothing wrong ! I nearly killed Ross's wife, but I let her live, because she sounded so sweet. There were still bounty missions, and small side missions left to do if you looked closely.

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

Cougars are my favorite animals in the RDR. They looked real, they moved real, and they were f*cking frightening animals. The shrieking of a cougar always had me running wild all over the place, especially when I couldn't see it ! Cougars in GTA V were terrible, it's like Rockstar shouldn't even have bothered.

 

Yeah I mean after all that, tbf I done most of the random person missions while I was doing the story.

 

I done those extra random person missions with Marstons son. Literally wiped out his whole family, wife included - I was that pissed off with how Marston got f*cked over and how things ended up for him. Which just goes to show how good the story/writing was.

 

I also like how RDR had REAL random occurrences, not just repetitive scripted events like V. I remember just walking around Armadillo and then I heard all this commotion and one of the gangs (forget the name, Bollard gang was it? :s) were riding through town about 5 deep letting off shots in the air and they were dragging some random guy with a lasso along the ground. This didn't even show up on the radar was literally a random event.

 

And the fame and honor system was awesome. It really felt rewarding and make you obey the laws.

RDR is probably the only game where i play as good guy outside of missions. I only kill bad guys.

 

You have tons of things to do and keep in mind the kind of things you don`t get bored so fast. At least i don`t.

Bounty hunting- you can do it forever, cleaning the gang hideouts, arm wrestling in Mexico is freaking awesome. I love the voices Marston and his opponent is releasing during the wrestling, it`s real fun.

 

Hunting, treasure hunting, searching for plants, sharpshooting challenge, poker, blackjack, horsebreaking, horseshoe playing, reading the interesting newspapers, getting drunk at the saloon is hilarious, cheating at poker and then getting called for a duel and killing Herbert Moon 4x or 5x and then going to his store and buying goods from his 5.th skin ...

Tons of fun stuff.

Now don`t get me wrong, V has alot of stuff too but it has less replay value than RDR`s stuff. Also hunting in V just sucks. It doesn`t even deserves to be called hunting.

 

I also have to give a compliment for excellent voice acting in RDR. Rockstar did an awesome job on it. Look how many different NPC voices there are in the game. I can only imagine how many people they needed for this. And so many different accents.

Just amazing.

[eastriver]

Both are great games and GTA V definitely took some ideas from RDR and implemented it in its own game.

For one the random events and the weapons wheel came from RDR.
You can also say the slow motion aiming feature in RDR was also taken by GTA V and implemented into GTA V.
Animals and hunting were to some extent taken from RDR and implemented into GTA V... although there is much less emphasis on animals due to the very nature of GTA Vs modern city atmosphere.

Honestly, both are great games with their own unique characteristics and experiences... picking which is better is very difficult.
Which game being better can simply change with your mood and what you're into at the time.
However I can say that I found RDRs replayability to be better because it was the first game I 100% completed and I actually enjoyed getting the 100%... I never bothered with getting 100% in any GTA games because picking up arbitrary items hidden throughout the map is just boring and offers no real incentive... there isn't that dull grinding feeling when aiming for 100% in RDR.

In GTA IV, you have to pointlessly kill 100 pigeons or whatever around the city... in GTA V you have to pointlessly find some spaceship parts hidden around and these are really boring activities.

Edited December 25, 2014 by IG_

[UAL]

What I'd really like to see is the RDR development team (R* San Diego I believe?) make a GTA game.

 

Imagine.

Edited December 25, 2014 by UAL

[Official General]

 

@ UAL

 

When you mean RDR was kinda boring after the main story, do you mean only playing as Marston ? Because you still can do missions playing as Marston's son to get revenge for your father's death, and I really enjoyed doing that. Playing as Marston's son, I even killed the Edgar Ross's brother just to even things out - even though he did nothing wrong ! I nearly killed Ross's wife, but I let her live, because she sounded so sweet. There were still bounty missions, and small side missions left to do if you looked closely.

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

Cougars are my favorite animals in the RDR. They looked real, they moved real, and they were f*cking frightening animals. The shrieking of a cougar always had me running wild all over the place, especially when I couldn't see it ! Cougars in GTA V were terrible, it's like Rockstar shouldn't even have bothered.

 

Yeah I mean after all that, tbf I done most of the random person missions while I was doing the story.

 

I done those extra random person missions with Marstons son. Literally wiped out his whole family, wife included - I was that pissed off with how Marston got f*cked over and how things ended up for him. Which just goes to show how good the story/writing was.

 

I also like how RDR had REAL random occurrences, not just repetitive scripted events like V. I remember just walking around Armadillo and then I heard all this commotion and one of the gangs (forget the name, Bollard gang was it? :s) were riding through town about 5 deep letting off shots in the air and they were dragging some random guy with a lasso along the ground. This didn't even show up on the radar was literally a random event.

 

 

F*ckin' hell you were not playin' !! You even killed Ross's wife ? Woow !! Loool !! But you are definitely right - it just goes to show how great and golden RDR's writing was compared to the bullsh*t we saw in GTA V. RDR's story evoked enough strong emotions in me being upset at Marston's death that I even killed the main antagonist's brother, who did nothing wrong. That's what I call pure gaming story writing brilliance. I never gave a single f*ck about Haines or Weston in V, I just wanted their storylines to hurry up so we could move on - didn't happen !!

 

Yeah the random events in RDR felt very random indeed, because they were. They were definitely not scripted and that really helped enjoy them all the more.

[UAL]

 

 

@ UAL

 

When you mean RDR was kinda boring after the main story, do you mean only playing as Marston ? Because you still can do missions playing as Marston's son to get revenge for your father's death, and I really enjoyed doing that. Playing as Marston's son, I even killed the Edgar Ross's brother just to even things out - even though he did nothing wrong ! I nearly killed Ross's wife, but I let her live, because she sounded so sweet. There were still bounty missions, and small side missions left to do if you looked closely.

 

@ MrDeSanta

 

Cougars are my favorite animals in the RDR. They looked real, they moved real, and they were f*cking frightening animals. The shrieking of a cougar always had me running wild all over the place, especially when I couldn't see it ! Cougars in GTA V were terrible, it's like Rockstar shouldn't even have bothered.

 

Yeah I mean after all that, tbf I done most of the random person missions while I was doing the story.

 

I done those extra random person missions with Marstons son. Literally wiped out his whole family, wife included - I was that pissed off with how Marston got f*cked over and how things ended up for him. Which just goes to show how good the story/writing was.

 

I also like how RDR had REAL random occurrences, not just repetitive scripted events like V. I remember just walking around Armadillo and then I heard all this commotion and one of the gangs (forget the name, Bollard gang was it? :s) were riding through town about 5 deep letting off shots in the air and they were dragging some random guy with a lasso along the ground. This didn't even show up on the radar was literally a random event.

 

 

F*ckin' hell you were not playin' !! You even killed Ross's wife ? Woow !! Loool !! But you are definitely right - it just goes to show how great and golden RDR's writing was compared to the bullsh*t we saw in GTA V. RDR's story evoked enough strong emotions in me being upset at Marston's death that I even killed the main antagonist's brother, who did nothing wrong. That's what I call pure gaming story writing brilliance. I never gave a single f*ck about Haines or Weston in V, I just wanted their storylines to hurry up so we could move on - didn't happen !!

 

Yeah the random events in RDR felt very random indeed, because they were. They were definitely not scripted and that really helped enjoy them all the more.

 

 

Yeah at the time I was just infuriated about how Ross done Marston. But looking back I should have spared the wife - them dead eye shots had her to doing back flips.

 

One thing that we can all agree on is that there absolutely NEEDS to be a sequel. And from what R* said on their latest A&A I'm quite hopeful that this is gonna happen.