First Person Racing= More stupid ramming?

[MadeBrazen]

You got a rear view mirror and side mirror for a reason

 

Oh-o! Good point mate.

 

Can't say I noticed them working properly on the first person trailers but they have to, surely..?

Edited November 14, 2014 by Bandalamente

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to break this to you, but GTA is not a "Gentleman's Sport". People want it to be so many different things, and then get disappointed when it isn't. It is what it is. Either enjoy it for that, or get a game more suited to your requirements.

Not a "Gentleman's Sport", then explain why you get Bad Sport points for being a legit griefer ( you don't cheat). I'm talking about people that just kill other people in free roaming and destroy their precious personal vehicles.

 

 

Did you mean to answer your own question? That's proof that it's not a gentleman's sport. Please, for the love of all that is sane, tell me you're not suggesting otherwise.

 

Do you always answer questions with other questions? That's proof you don't know how to argue?

 

 

Man, if you want to discuss it with me then discuss it with me. I'm not being arsey with you. It was a genuine response.

 

Why do you think that doesn't matter if people are "bad sports" in races and does matter if they are bad sports because they kill and destroy personal vehicles of other players in free roaming? Rockstar should punish bad sport racers too or don't punish people for killing and destroying personal vehicles of other people in free roaming: it's called coherence. Then, if you think that you should not get bad sport for killing and destroying PVs in free roaming either, you are coherent for me, ok? "Because GTA is not a Gentleman sport".

 

 

I don't know why Rockstar implemented the bad sport system. We could sit here and opinionate on that all day and still not know the answer. To say that having such a system for one things means that they should have it for another is also just an opinion. I don't care about the bad sport system, and it has nothing to do with my original post about the *fact* that this is not a "Gentleman's Sport". It is a computer game where we can do whatever we like. If anyone has a problem with that then they're playing the game wrong, or they're playing the wrong game. It is what it is.

 

 

 

 

You both have a valid point, they are separate though.

 

To bring them together, it would be nice to see a (perhaps optional) 'bad sport' penalty system for poor racing - the only thing I can think of is monitoring collisions and 'fining' players from their race winnings at the end.

 

 

Good idea, but I don't see it happening. I obviously understand that different people want different things, but I see racing crews as a simple answer to the issues people face, or hosting the races yourself so you can run it the way you want to.

 

And the reason I can't see any type of collision punishment being enforced is two-fold. Firstly, I don't think Rockstar would be interested in doing it, and secondly, do you remember the shambles that was tank & car collision? I don't use my tank so I don't know how it ended up, but it changed regularly because they just could not figure out how to determine who did what. All they could do was detect collision. It got silly.

[CrysisAverted]

You got a rear view mirror and side mirror for a reason

No good,

 

 

judging by the screens I have seen, real time reflections will not function on cars.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Sh4d0wX32111

[hugh750]

 

 

my advice is to avoid the terrible drivers or races altogether and go play Forza (oh wait, the drivatars still smash you like 5 year olds)

Its no avoiding it.

f*ck, why did Project CARS have to get pushed back?

I need my racing fix.

 

are you one of those people who can drive so well that you are practically guarenteed a victory if you dont hit anyone? only to have it dashed to finishing second AT BEST because you were pitted out on the first turn?

 

you arent alone.

 

ive won every single non contact race ive ever had the pleasure of doing.

 

but i find it impossible to win contact races simply because people dont know how to race. i know its gta, but still, if you wanna hit stuff, thats what freeroam or gta races is for. if you wanna "race" race, one should learn to "race" race.

 

a lot of the time i think the race host intentionally sets it to contact so racers could pit their fellow racers who are just trying to win the race fairly.

[Zwenkwiel]

first person is usually a lot better for racing (well a decent hood cam is)
but when you're in a pack of cars all bumping and grinding (or in this case more like smashing) not so much,

in any case it's going to be a lobby setting like no contact so I don't really see the problem, if you join a game with a setting you don't like, leave

we do really need the ability to filter games based on settings though, kind of ridiculous to just be thrown into a random race with no control whatsoever.

[Juicyfer]

"I'm a better racer than you! If we race by my conditions I'll win!" -Every single complainer in every racing game period.

 

It's almost as if there are different kinds of people that race in different ways and excel in different areas!

 

"Sportsmanship" is just a pretext people give when they lose. If it's not in the rules, it's fair game.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Juicyfer

[CrysisAverted]

If cars actually got damaged or had the same physics as singleplayer, so many "racers" would go flying out the windshield and worry about damaging their car in general. At least when you rear end someone hard enough you can make their engines shut off momentarily.

[luisniko]

 

 

Now Imagine this IN 3D with 30 People.

 

You know what it looks like to me?

 

Hungry dogs racing over a beef.

 

 

Sometimes I just can't believe how some people really can do this kind of thing just because this is 'GTA', online, and they're sitting behind a screen.

[GTA Master 007]

 

You got a rear view mirror and side mirror for a reason

 

Oh-o! Good point mate.

 

Can't say I noticed them working properly on the first person trailers but they have to, surely..?

If that's the case then r* went full retard

[MadeBrazen]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to break this to you, but GTA is not a "Gentleman's Sport". People want it to be so many different things, and then get disappointed when it isn't. It is what it is. Either enjoy it for that, or get a game more suited to your requirements.

Not a "Gentleman's Sport", then explain why you get Bad Sport points for being a legit griefer ( you don't cheat). I'm talking about people that just kill other people in free roaming and destroy their precious personal vehicles.

 

 

Did you mean to answer your own question? That's proof that it's not a gentleman's sport. Please, for the love of all that is sane, tell me you're not suggesting otherwise.

 

Do you always answer questions with other questions? That's proof you don't know how to argue?

 

 

Man, if you want to discuss it with me then discuss it with me. I'm not being arsey with you. It was a genuine response.

 

Why do you think that doesn't matter if people are "bad sports" in races and does matter if they are bad sports because they kill and destroy personal vehicles of other players in free roaming? Rockstar should punish bad sport racers too or don't punish people for killing and destroying personal vehicles of other people in free roaming: it's called coherence. Then, if you think that you should not get bad sport for killing and destroying PVs in free roaming either, you are coherent for me, ok? "Because GTA is not a Gentleman sport".

 

 

I don't know why Rockstar implemented the bad sport system. We could sit here and opinionate on that all day and still not know the answer. To say that having such a system for one things means that they should have it for another is also just an opinion. I don't care about the bad sport system, and it has nothing to do with my original post about the *fact* that this is not a "Gentleman's Sport". It is a computer game where we can do whatever we like. If anyone has a problem with that then they're playing the game wrong, or they're playing the wrong game. It is what it is.

 

 

 

 

You both have a valid point, they are separate though.

 

To bring them together, it would be nice to see a (perhaps optional) 'bad sport' penalty system for poor racing - the only thing I can think of is monitoring collisions and 'fining' players from their race winnings at the end.

 

 

Good idea, but I don't see it happening. I obviously understand that different people want different things, but I see racing crews as a simple answer to the issues people face, or hosting the races yourself so you can run it the way you want to.

 

And the reason I can't see any type of collision punishment being enforced is two-fold. Firstly, I don't think Rockstar would be interested in doing it, and secondly, do you remember the shambles that was tank & car collision? I don't use my tank so I don't know how it ended up, but it changed regularly because they just could not figure out how to determine who did what. All they could do was detect collision. It got silly.

 

 

Oh yeah I hear ya on that.

 

Maybe if the collision simply split your car in half, sort of like real life - if the front of your vehicle makes contact with the rear of a competitor you are losing money. Rubbing is ok because when is it not - also front on front collision is either ok or both are penalised so they can also dissuade that slicing chop move you can do as you pass someone (which by the way is awesome, like a killing samurai chop)

Ok I know I am pretty much breaching astro physics here, I would not be perfect but as long as it changes the GTA community racing mentality from 'I will do whatever it takes to win even if it means driving like a gaming gorilla', to 'ok let's employ as much skill and finesse as possible, keep it fair (and play dirty only as a last resort)'

 

If introduced as an option then you are choosing to race no holds barred or pure at lobby, up to you.

 

Shouldn't have to join a racing crew to improve this aspect of the game.

[iddqdvie]

1st person driving is nothing new in gta, we always had a "hoodcam".

 

u may not see what hits u and when, but u can react way better being in first person view. u instantly feel where the car is going and can counter it better than in 3rd person. so it'll probably be relativly the same.

[CrysisAverted]

We need more cars with this rear end

 

from the great mind of luisniko

 

 

That'll (hopefully) stop rear ending....

Edited November 14, 2014 by Sh4d0wX32111

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to break this to you, but GTA is not a "Gentleman's Sport". People want it to be so many different things, and then get disappointed when it isn't. It is what it is. Either enjoy it for that, or get a game more suited to your requirements.

Not a "Gentleman's Sport", then explain why you get Bad Sport points for being a legit griefer ( you don't cheat). I'm talking about people that just kill other people in free roaming and destroy their precious personal vehicles.

 

 

Did you mean to answer your own question? That's proof that it's not a gentleman's sport. Please, for the love of all that is sane, tell me you're not suggesting otherwise.

 

Do you always answer questions with other questions? That's proof you don't know how to argue?

 

 

Man, if you want to discuss it with me then discuss it with me. I'm not being arsey with you. It was a genuine response.

 

Why do you think that doesn't matter if people are "bad sports" in races and does matter if they are bad sports because they kill and destroy personal vehicles of other players in free roaming? Rockstar should punish bad sport racers too or don't punish people for killing and destroying personal vehicles of other people in free roaming: it's called coherence. Then, if you think that you should not get bad sport for killing and destroying PVs in free roaming either, you are coherent for me, ok? "Because GTA is not a Gentleman sport".

 

 

I don't know why Rockstar implemented the bad sport system. We could sit here and opinionate on that all day and still not know the answer. To say that having such a system for one things means that they should have it for another is also just an opinion. I don't care about the bad sport system, and it has nothing to do with my original post about the *fact* that this is not a "Gentleman's Sport". It is a computer game where we can do whatever we like. If anyone has a problem with that then they're playing the game wrong, or they're playing the wrong game. It is what it is.

 

 

 

 

You both have a valid point, they are separate though.

 

To bring them together, it would be nice to see a (perhaps optional) 'bad sport' penalty system for poor racing - the only thing I can think of is monitoring collisions and 'fining' players from their race winnings at the end.

 

 

Good idea, but I don't see it happening. I obviously understand that different people want different things, but I see racing crews as a simple answer to the issues people face, or hosting the races yourself so you can run it the way you want to.

 

And the reason I can't see any type of collision punishment being enforced is two-fold. Firstly, I don't think Rockstar would be interested in doing it, and secondly, do you remember the shambles that was tank & car collision? I don't use my tank so I don't know how it ended up, but it changed regularly because they just could not figure out how to determine who did what. All they could do was detect collision. It got silly.

 

 

Oh yeah I hear ya on that.

 

Maybe if the collision simply split your car in half, sort of like real life - if the front of your vehicle makes contact with the rear of a competitor you are losing money. Rubbing is ok because when is it not - also front on front collision is either ok or both are penalised so they can also dissuade that slicing chop move you can do as you pass someone (which by the way is awesome, like a killing samurai chop)

Ok I know I am pretty much breaching astro physics here, I would not be perfect but as long as it changes the GTA community racing mentality from 'I will do whatever it takes to win even if it means driving like a gaming gorilla', to 'ok let's employ as much skill and finesse as possible, keep it fair (and play dirty only as a last resort)'

 

If introduced as an option then you are choosing to race no holds barred or pure at lobby, up to you.

 

Shouldn't have to join a racing crew to improve this aspect of the game.

 

 

There's still a lot more to it than what you've suggested, but that's how Rockstar started out with the collision issues with tanks. For example, what if someone reversed into me? If that meant I'd lose money or was penalised in some other way then you can guarantee that races would start with the cars at the front reversing into you. It's actually a *very* difficult thing to pin down with simple logic, which is what it would have to be for a computer to determine what had actually happened.

 

And I agree that you shouldn't have to join a racing crew, but it is an answer. It doesn't affect any other aspect of the game so it's probably the current best solution.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Furry_Monkey

[A Maned Wolf]

 

I'm sitting here, thinking about how awesome tearing through the streets and highways of LS at 150mph+, watching the speedo inch closer to the redline with 29 other people would be and then it hits me:

f*cking noobs.

Ramming and pitting is bad enough in 3rd person, but at least you can see it coming and brace yourself. 1st person; not a chance in close on racing at corners and in narrow sections.

I really hope R* automatically makes races default to non-contact once the lobby reaches over 12-15 people, similar to how Forza 4 would turn off cosmetic damage after 8 or more people were in the lobby.

Just a bit worried that I may have to permanently join a racing crew just to enjoy racing all over again.

OR, and this is just a thought... you could play a different game. Don't like the way a game is made? Play something else. People have been doing that for years. I know I have. When I play a game and don't like it, I play a different game.

 

YAY!

 

Whoosh!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the sound of the point, flying high over your head.

Go be useless somewhere else.

[Cuz05]

I don't get what's so bad about having to join a racing crew. You want to race in double figure lobbies without people intentionally pitting you... I've been doing that all year.

Where's the downside?

[CrysisAverted]

I don't get what's so bad about having to join a racing crew. You want to race in double figure lobbies without people intentionally pitting you... I've been doing that all year.

Where's the downside?

You're playing against other skilled drivers

Edited November 14, 2014 by Sh4d0wX32111

[Furry_Monkey]

 

I don't get what's so bad about having to join a racing crew. You want to race in double figure lobbies without people intentionally pitting you... I've been doing that all year.

Where's the downside?

You're playing against other skilled drivers

 

 

How's that a downside? Surely that's the best way to get better. I know I'd rather play against good players than poor ones. If someone needs gratification so much that they'd rather play people who can't possibly win then I suggest the problem is not the game.

[hornedturtle]

If you can't counter/deal with people piting you than you're not really a skilled driver are you?

[marky101]

there'll probably only be 30 people packed into lobbies about once ever then back to empty jobs

[Zwenkwiel]

 

 

I don't get what's so bad about having to join a racing crew. You want to race in double figure lobbies without people intentionally pitting you... I've been doing that all year.

Where's the downside?

You're playing against other skilled drivers

 

 

How's that a downside? Surely that's the best way to get better. I know I'd rather play against good players than poor ones. If someone needs gratification so much that they'd rather play people who can't possibly win then I suggest the problem is not the game

 

it is if you're not too good yourself

joining a racing crew is a good option if you're really into racing and are decent at it

but not every1 is.

it's either join a racing crew or be thrown into the random madness that is racing in public games

there is no in between and that's not really a good thing imo

like I said before i think a settings filter would solve most problems for most people.

[CarnageRacing00]

 

 

 

 

Now Imagine this IN 3D with 30 People.

You know what it looks like to me?

 

Hungry dogs racing over a beef.

 

 

Sometimes I just can't believe how some people really can do this kind of thing just because this is 'GTA', online, and they're sitting behind a screen.

Because it's a game, and because they didn't choose the no-contact option?

Pro tip:

 

If you see someone swerving at you, hit your brakes. If you do it right, the rear of their car will hit the front of yours, and they'll spin themselves out.

Edited November 14, 2014 by MichiganMuscle77

[JimmyDemonni]

lol i ram coz its fun, if it makes people rage its even more fun. not much else to it

[Zeta87]

lol i ram coz its fun, if it makes people rage its even more fun. not much else to it

It's even more fun if this happens to you.

[Broblab]

 

 

 

Now Imagine this IN 3D with 30 People.

 

You know what it looks like to me?

 

Hungry dogs racing over a beef.

 

 

Sometimes I just can't believe how some people really can do this kind of thing just because this is 'GTA', online, and they're sitting behind a screen.

 

this video made me very upset for a split second.

[hyperar]

I'm sitting here, thinking about how awesome tearing through the streets and highways of LS at 150mph+, watching the speedo inch closer to the redline with 29 other people would be and then it hits me:

f*cking noobs.

Ramming and pitting is bad enough in 3rd person, but at least you can see it coming and brace yourself. 1st person; not a chance in close on racing at corners and in narrow sections.

I really hope R* automatically makes races default to non-contact once the lobby reaches over 12-15 people, similar to how Forza 4 would turn off cosmetic damage after 8 or more people were in the lobby.

Just a bit worried that I may have to permanently join a racing crew just to enjoy racing all over again.

 

If you don't know how to use the mirrors, well, you're the f*cking noob

[Cuz05]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't get what's so bad about having to join a racing crew. You want to race in double figure lobbies without people intentionally pitting you... I've been doing that all year.

Where's the downside?

You're playing against other skilled drivers

 

How's that a downside? Surely that's the best way to get better. I know I'd rather play against good players than poor ones. If someone needs gratification so much that they'd rather play people who can't possibly win then I suggest the problem is not the game

it is if you're not too good yourself

joining a racing crew is a good option if you're really into racing and are decent at it

but not every1 is.

it's either join a racing crew or be thrown into the random madness that is racing in public games

there is no in between and that's not really a good thing imo

like I said before i think a settings filter would solve most problems for most people.

It depends how important winning is to you. I would say I'm decent but compared to most of the serious racers out there, I'm below average. Our crew places no emphasis on results tho, we're out there to enjoy the drive and the contest. If I have a good battle against several guys towards the rear of the field and finish in front of them, that's my victory. If I lose then fair play to them, they're my friends, I don't begrudge them it. Basically we enjoy our challenges, you win some, you lose some.

And trust me, if I ever finish 1St in a straight up road race against our quick guys, it's epic. Every win in the crew is worth 500 in random lobbies for me.

It doesn't stop there tho, we're a community. We do all sorts and we have great banter. You can't just complain about the general gaming community, it's huuuuge, it's pointless. There is no general community, there's a population. If you want community you have to take part in its creation. You start one or you join one and you actively participate in its growth.

There's always going to be plenty of people who just want to leech off the community for their own personal satisfaction. You're looking at the majority of GTAO players there. That'll be the source of many complaints about the community being terrible and not giving them the experience they're looking for.

If you're serious about wanting to be part of an actual, integrated community, you know where to look. Don't sit idle and complain, it's a waste of time.

[Furry_Monkey]

lol i ram coz its fun, if it makes people rage its even more fun. not much else to it

 

I like your honesty. It makes me want to ram you. It would be fun.

[OwensRacing]

No matter what racing with randoms almost always ends in a crash. From GT6, GTAV, all the way to the pinnacle of SIM a Racing iRacing.

 

If you want good clean racing. You have to group up like minded folks. I race with CMS on iRacing, Raced with SNAIL on GT5. GT6 sucks and I moved to iRacing. Anyway. Point being. You need a league or crew to get the quality racing.

 

Anytime a racer doesn't have repercussions for his actions. You will get jerks wrecking you.

 

 

For the record. GTAV racing = nothing in real SIM racing skill. You won't go from being fast on GTAV to being fast on a real SIM. Considering you go from pad/controller to a wheel. As well being fast at SIM with a wheel will not mean your fast at GTAV.

 

GTAV Racing while fun is no SIM And real world racing skills don't apply.

Edited November 14, 2014 by OwensRacing

[Furry_Monkey]

No matter what racing with randoms almost always ends in a crash. From GT6, GTAV, all the way to the pinnacle of SIM a Racing iRacing.

 

If you want good clean racing. You have to group up like minded folks. I race with CMS on iRacing, Raced with SNAIL on GT5. GT6 sucks and I moved to iRacing. Anyway. Point being. You need a league or crew to get the quality racing.

 

Anytime a racer doesn't have repercussions for his actions. You will get jerks wrecking you.

 

 

For the record. GTAV racing = nothing in real SIM racing skill. You won't go from being fast on GTAV to being fast on a real SIM. Considering you go from pad/controller to a wheel. As well being fast at SIM with a wheel will not mean your fast at GTAV.

 

GTAV Racing while fun is no SIM And real world racing skills don't apply.

 

I crossed out the irrelevant part for you. We're not discussing the reality of GTA racing, but the mentality of the people in it, which you nailed with your first sentence.

 

Each to their own.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Furry_Monkey

[MrScary95]

Why not instate a sort of repair system into racing. The damage you do to the car is deducted from your winnings at the end. Obviously compacts would be cheaper to repair than muscles, sports classics, and especially supers.

 

 

Adding to that, make repairs to cars in races where custom vehicles aren't allowed 20 or so percent more since the vehicles do not belong to the players.

 

Obviously there are some holes in this theory (cars similar to the Roosevelt in real life would potentially cost more to repair than cars similar to say, the Stinger)

 

 

Just a thought.