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Next Gen (PS4/XBO) Colour correction, lighting, HDR, it seems slightly


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Hello all,

 

As per subject.

I am a mammoth fan of GTAV on PS3, it's an epic achievement - but the best thing by a leaping mile is the lighting system. Specifically reflections, HDR, glare, colour - it's very, very, very good.

Despite the crappy resolution for rendering and textures, sometimes the snapmatic photos will look like real photos, infact often. (Out of the corner of your eye, I admit)

 

Almost all of the media of GTAV for PS4, while looking great, appears to have about half of the sh*tty orange tinge which GTAIV had (and still does)

Can someone tell me I'm not goddamned crazy and say they have noticed it too?

 

 

 

This is the best shot I can find to demonstrate my point.

The PS4 better in resolution, textures, objects but ways but my god that beautiful harsh realistic glare, I don't see it.

Look at Trevors shirt in the cop uniform, it's actually difficult to make out detail, because of the harsh glare in the scene - like real life.

UDOmF3S.gif

EDIT: Upon subsequent views, I would say this last shot is actually worse on PS4 than PS3 - when you bear in mind thanks to the GIF size, you can't see the resolution bonus.

 

 

 

 

Here's another example,

The PS4 shot is vastly better for resolution, shadows, models - the whole lot - but look at how the light is glaringly harshly bright, again as if you're actually outside.

It's that HDR, that reflection, that beaming!

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Same here,

Textures vastly better, shadowing is better, resolution is better - almost ALL of this picture is much better on PS4, however the PS3 shot with the light which is reflecting the sun specifically is just so.... blinding? It's just how the sun is!

5RPjncc.gif

 

 

 

 

NOTE: To make it clear, I know most of the shots are not at EXACTLY the same time of day - but I haven't seen a single PS4 shot with that beautiful HDR looking glare from the PS3.

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DaRkL3AD3R

Good spot op. Haven't seen that beautiful glare either in any of the trailers or screenshots. I absolutely loved the effect in last gen. I'd go under an overpass where all the bums live and it'd be super bright and sunny midday. My character's eyes would adjust to the darkness and shadow then when I look out at the world it'd be scarily bright and glaring.

 

This was an effect I looked forward to more than anything in V on PC and not seeing it thus far is making me worried.

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Yeah it would specifically impact the entering and exit of tunnels. It's a fantastic and simple feature. It's actually worse for us as players, as it's obstructing us and hiding detail - but it's far closer to reality.

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SonofLosSantos

I don't really get everyone's overriding love for light fixations, glare, and hd res, or whatever else... It all seems silly and pointless...

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HDR could be reduced in favour of the greatly increased depth of field

 

often HDR is not really more photorealistic, especially in motion. the added exposures may a prettier still image but not always more realistic

 

remember the super popular Bloom effect of the 2000s? HDR is like the new Bloom :p

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Different weather conditions and different daytime as you said. When it's cloudy, raining, foggy you won't see the HDR glare or between 5:00pm - 10:00am. Only when the weather is sunny or extra sunny and the time between 10:00am - 4:00pm you'll see that HDR effect. Nothing to worry about, because we can't judge it right now. Once the 18th arrives we'll be wiser.

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All of those comparisons look to be at different times of day, OP

 

I addressed that in my post. Find me a single shot of GTAV next gen where the HDR and glare is blindingly harsh and realistic like the PS3.

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That's one of those console things, when they had to cover some imperfection in the consoles so they ramp up the glaring to the max hoping people will be blinded by that unnatural glare and be dazzled by the sparkling sun. Completely missing something. That bloom just distorts an warps eveything behind it. THe light wraps around everything and makes it difficult to see whats behind. Thats not how light works. Not unless your eyes is a camera.

 

Also the times vary.

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HDR could be reduced in favour of the greatly increased depth of field

 

often HDR is not really more photorealistic, especially in motion. the added exposures may a prettier still image but not always more realistic

 

remember the super popular Bloom effect of the 2000s? HDR is like the new Bloom :p

 

 

I don't care about HDR as a tickbox / bulletpoint on a box or as a graphics nerd. I just happen to know what the term is. I very very much care about the fact that GTAV, PS3 shots, in low resolution in the corner of your eye, can be mistaken for real life - because the lighting is very very very close to real life, it's essentially flawless.

GTAV PS4 shots in low resolution, corner of your eye, do not appear as realistic to me - despite the detail, the colour seems off :/

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All of those comparisons look to be at different times of day, OP

 

I addressed that in my post. Find me a single shot of GTAV next gen where the HDR and glare is blindingly harsh and realistic like the PS3.

 

I can't find any pre-release screenshot from the PS3/X360 that has this HDR effect either.

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That's one of those console things, when they had to cover some imperfection in the consoles so they ramp up the glaring to the max hoping people will be blinded by that unnatural glare and be dazzled by the sparkling sun. Completely missing something. That bloom just distorts an warps eveything behind it. THe light wraps around everything and makes it difficult to see whats behind. Thats not how light works. Not unless your eyes is a camera.

 

Also the times vary.

 

It's exactly how light works, the first shot I've posted - look far far more realistic. The sun on a bright day, is very much blinding when you're inside a poorly lit factory. I'm not making this thread up for the sake of arguing technical merits as some kind of graphics card junkie or something, I'm specifically saying it literally looks worse / inferior to me - it does not seem as real? If you forgo the resolution bonus, I genuinely find the PS4 shots, do not seem as realistic :/

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All of those comparisons look to be at different times of day, OP

 

I addressed that in my post. Find me a single shot of GTAV next gen where the HDR and glare is blindingly harsh and realistic like the PS3.

 

Whose to say it looks realistic? Calm down buddy, I'd at least wait until the game comes out and judge it then. We dont have enough footage at the moment to be making these lighting comparisons.

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All of those comparisons look to be at different times of day, OP

 

I addressed that in my post. Find me a single shot of GTAV next gen where the HDR and glare is blindingly harsh and realistic like the PS3.

 

I can't find any pre-release screenshot from the PS3/X360 that has this HDR effect either.

 

 

 

37 seconds, light from behind mountain, blinding - like real life.

40 seconds, light coming of sculpture at the top of screen

41 seconds, light beaming off 2 tiles in corner of shop in the sun

1:27 top left beaming past top of building.

 

Sorry, I'm not trying to be argumentative - but this took me all of 2 minutes to find.

I think we can all agree the HDR / glare system is at least different in the new ones. There's what, 100 screenshots now? Over 10 minutes of trailers and at no point do I feel the sunlight is piercingly real.

Here's a challenge, go outside and take a look at the sun.... it's blinding.

 

 

All of those comparisons look to be at different times of day, OP

 

I addressed that in my post. Find me a single shot of GTAV next gen where the HDR and glare is blindingly harsh and realistic like the PS3.

 

Whose to say it looks realistic? Calm down buddy, I'd at least wait until the game comes out and judge it then. We dont have enough footage at the moment to be making these lighting comparisons.

 

 

 

My eyes do? So should yours? That's ......? I don't even get these responses. That's how the sun looks? I'm in my study right now and the light is creeping past my blinds and yep, it's blinding.

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UDOmF3S.gif

It's cloudy outside in the PS4 version and a different daytime.

 

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The sun is setting in this one.

 

5RPjncc.gif

Same as the above.

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UDOmF3S.gif

It's cloudy outside in the PS4 version and a different daytime.

 

dVY0eVL.gif

The sun is setting in this one.

 

5RPjncc.gif

Same as the above.

Exactly as I see it too.

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Sorry OP, but your argument just isnt valid until we have time-of-day parity in the comparisons.

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37 - It will look even more "realistic" on the PS4/XO.

40 - ^

41 - I bet it looks even better.

1:27 - The lens flare is still there and it looks more real. (Lens flare is unrealistic, because it is a camera effect. Unless your eyes are a camera, which I doubt.).

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Sorry OP, but your argument just isnt valid until we have time-of-day parity the comparisons.

 

Except at no point in ANY media is the HDR or glare present. There's nearly 100 shots I think of the new versions, there's also trailers clearly taken at peak of day. Sorry we disagree here. It's very obviously different.

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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

 

If you actually read my post, you can see that's not my point. The lighting appears slightly inferior and it frustrates me, it's literally the best part of the game. It makes it feel real.

 

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BTW, that's what light looks like, in real life - I just took that photo. I'm not trying to start arguments here, I'm simply stating it how I see it. and this photo I just took? That's how the sun looks, it's a pretty damn hot, bright thing.

EDIT and that's how much light is beaming through at 6:30pm, through a 1" gap.

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daltontigerboy

If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

Perhaps trying to make themselves feel better about not having a current gen console yet, or maybe just trying to pass the time the best way they know how.

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Sorry OP, but your argument just isnt valid until we have time-of-day parity the comparisons.

 

Except at no point in ANY media is the HDR or glare present. There's nearly 100 shots I think of the new versions, there's also trailers clearly taken at peak of day. Sorry we disagree here. It's very obviously different.

 

It's a;; because of the time of day in the comparisons, come back when we have images matching up each version with the same time of day and make your case then. Look at the shadows in the ones we have now ans you will see that they are about 6-8 hours apart in the day.

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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

 

If you actually read my post, you can see that's not my point. The lighting appears slightly inferior and it frustrates me, it's literally the best part of the game. It makes it feel real.

 

The lighting looks way better in the new versions. Here from another topic:

 

NAeqCax.jpgiHZBmr6.jpg

 

Credits to @LowiPL

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SonofLosSantos

 

 

If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

If you actually read my post, you can see that's not my point. The lighting appears slightly inferior and it frustrates me, it's literally the best part of the game. It makes it feel real.

O rly? If you bought grand theft auto to adore an artistic masterpiece, then I think your barking up the wrong tree. You might want to visit the Chicago art museum...Grand theft auto is a game where you steal cars and shoot motherf*ckers.., I'm pretty sure that graphics are far from the best or most important part of the game... Gameplay is...
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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

Perhaps trying to make themselves feel better about not having a current gen console yet, or maybe just trying to pass the time the best way they know how.

 

Lol, that has to be the case.

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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

 

If you actually read my post, you can see that's not my point. The lighting appears slightly inferior and it frustrates me, it's literally the best part of the game. It makes it feel real.

 

The lighting looks way better in the new versions. Here from another topic:

 

NAeqCax.jpgiHZBmr6.jpg

 

Credits to @LowiPL

 

 

 

DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ♥

FINALLY.

I told you guys I'm not here for a fight.

 

Look at the can and the stairs on the PS4 shot, there's definitely some pretty good glare - maybe not as utterly blinding as PS3 - but I can at least hold out hope now.

Some of the rest of the PS4 shots seem 'yellowish' but in light of this shot, maybe it is just really bad timing? Either way this shot is pretty slick, - thanks.

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If the point you're trying to make is that the ps3 version looks better than the ps4 version, what are you really accomplishing?

I mean c'mon, you guys are nitpicking now...

Perhaps trying to make themselves feel better about not having a current gen console yet, or maybe just trying to pass the time the best way they know how.

 

Lol, that has to be the case.

 

 

Why do people even resort to these kinds of posts, you're not even trying to debate my point, you're going on a tangent, making accusations - just because I'm pretty passionate about good lighting? Cmon.

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