I think I know why R* remastered GTA V

[gizz01]

 

 

R* adds microtransactions and than finetunes the game in order to sell the most possible, altering a lot of game aspects, negatively IMO

how any1 could possibly deny this is beyond me

 

Eh? You try to come across as clever and "educating the masses", but you can't even explain any of your concepts clearly.

 

If so many people aren't understanding what you're saying, then maybe the problem isn't them.

 

That post was utter gibberish, as usual.

 

haha thanks for chiming in

always love to hear from you

especially in depth posts adressing what I said

oh wait... XD

 

let's try this again step by step so you slow folks can follow

lets start by answering this simple yes/no qeustion

cash cards, do they impact the way this game was designed?

yes or no answer please

Are you still yapping on? You must be hell to live with.. jesus...

 

But I will answer your question..

 

::No not in the slightest::

 

Now.. you answer me this..

 

Tell me one time that you or anyone you know has been funnelled into buying a shark card..

 

Tell me one thing ingame that requires a shark card or any other form of real world cash..

 

Tell me one time in game that your experience has been effected by onscreen prompts during game play..

 

Prove to me that the devs have re structured payouts and money making in general to promote the use of cash cards....

 

Let me finish by saying that while the devs are NOT pushing cash cards down our throat, I do beleive they are expensive for what you get in return, I personally wouldn't buy one... BUT there are people that dont have the time to grind out a million or even 500k so then cards make sense.

 

I will also say that once the card system was put in place its like printing money for rockstar, sooo if they really wanted to drain players of money they would have gone with a lower price enticing players to buy cards hence earning more money, this is obviously not the idea here..

Edited November 9, 2014 by gizz01

[Zwenkwiel]

 

 

 

R* adds microtransactions and than finetunes the game in order to sell the most possible, altering a lot of game aspects, negatively IMO

how any1 could possibly deny this is beyond me

Eh? You try to come across as clever and "educating the masses", but you can't even explain any of your concepts clearly.

 

If so many people aren't understanding what you're saying, then maybe the problem isn't them.

 

That post was utter gibberish, as usual.

haha thanks for chiming in

always love to hear from you

especially in depth posts adressing what I said

oh wait... XD

 

let's try this again step by step so you slow folks can follow

lets start by answering this simple yes/no qeustion

cash cards, do they impact the way this game was designed?

yes or no answer please

Are you still yapping on? You must be hell to live with.. jesus...

 

But I will answer your question..

 

::No not in the slightest::

 

Now.. you answer me this..

 

Tell me one time that you or anyone you know has been funnelled into buying a shark card..

 

Tell me one thing ingame that requires a shark card or any other form of real world cash..

 

Tell me one time in game that your experience has been effected by onscreen prompts during game play..

 

Prove to me that the devs have re structured payouts and money making in general to promote the use of cash cards....

 

Let me finish by saying that while the devs are pushing cash cards down our throat, I do beleive they are expensive for what you get in return, I personally wouldn't buy one... BUT there are people that dont have the time to grind out a million or even 500k so then cards make sense.

 

I will also say that once the card system was put in place its like printing money for rockstar, sooo if they really wanted to drain players of money they would have gone with a lower price enticing players to buy cards hence earning more money, this is obviously not the idea here..

 

 

for f*cks sake why would I defend silly arguments you make up that aren't even mine to begin with?

you guys are retarded!

[reform]

Wow Zwenkwiel you're terrible at this whole debating thing. All you can do is give your opinion, not give any evidence, and then call anyone who doesn't agree with you retarded.

 

You wonder how it is that anyone could possibly not agree with you, well maybe it's because you have a complete and utter lack of any form of objectivity or lateral thinking skills?

[Ninja_Gear]

TL:DR Can you Summarize it for me OP?

I'll help you out a bit:

[Mikeol1987]

If the map did expand by its literal borders and not having to fly island to island Las Venturas would be the most logical second city to add in terms of geography...and San Fierro actually.

 

Yeah I would say it's a good possibility that the rest of San Andreas may be implemented in the future. We've got at least another year probably two before that happens though

[gizz01]

 

 

 

 

R* adds microtransactions and than finetunes the game in order to sell the most possible, altering a lot of game aspects, negatively IMO

how any1 could possibly deny this is beyond me

 

Eh? You try to come across as clever and "educating the masses", but you can't even explain any of your concepts clearly.

 

If so many people aren't understanding what you're saying, then maybe the problem isn't them.

 

That post was utter gibberish, as usual.

haha thanks for chiming in

always love to hear from you

especially in depth posts adressing what I said

oh wait... XD

 

let's try this again step by step so you slow folks can follow

lets start by answering this simple yes/no qeustion

cash cards, do they impact the way this game was designed?

yes or no answer please

Are you still yapping on? You must be hell to live with.. jesus...

But I will answer your question..

::No not in the slightest::

Now.. you answer me this..

Tell me one time that you or anyone you know has been funnelled into buying a shark card..

Tell me one thing ingame that requires a shark card or any other form of real world cash..

Tell me one time in game that your experience has been effected by onscreen prompts during game play..

Prove to me that the devs have re structured payouts and money making in general to promote the use of cash cards....

Let me finish by saying that while the devs are pushing cash cards down our throat, I do beleive they are expensive for what you get in return, I personally wouldn't buy one... BUT there are people that dont have the time to grind out a million or even 500k so then cards make sense.

I will also say that once the card system was put in place its like printing money for rockstar, sooo if they really wanted to drain players of money they would have gone with a lower price enticing players to buy cards hence earning more money, this is obviously not the idea here..

 

for f*cks sake why would I defend silly arguments you make up that aren't even mine to begin with?

you guys are retarded!

Your the one arguing that R* is out to fleece us all on cash cards pal! This is your argument!

 

I wrote a 4k word essay proving my side of the argument, non of which have you been able to argue other wise or prove wrong..

 

All you keep saying is that the devs are subconsciously getting us to buy cash cards and they have structured the game to sell more, thats not hard evidence, you wont answer simple questions because you can't...

 

You carnt even answer or prove the fact that there has been in influx of players forced to buy cards because of lack of cash or any other reason, never mind the technicalities of the game being rigged to promote more sales...

 

Your that dumb that your sitting here coming up with all these conspiracy theories (that you cannot back up I might add) and that R* are cheating you left right and center and your still playing the friggin game... or are R* putting drugs in your cereal now not allowing you to leave gta...

 

Your forum ranting joke

Edited November 9, 2014 by gizz01

[Expensive Pasta]

Or:

The game was already completed for current gen a year ago, but Take 2 wanted some more money, so they released a content-reduced version for 360/PS3.

I Think this is the correct answer for every problem on this game and is your pic from polar bear cafe?

[Zwenkwiel]

Wow Zwenkwiel you're terrible at this whole debating thing. All you can do is give your opinion, not give any evidence, and then call anyone who doesn't agree with you retarded.

 

You wonder how it is that anyone could possibly not agree with you, well maybe it's because you have a complete and utter lack of any form of objectivity or lateral thinking skills?

lol

you guys are priceless XD

saying R* designed this game with cash cards in mind isn't an opinion (I mean they are in the f*cking game aren't they? somewhere along the design process some1 must have put some thought into them or they wouldn't even exist)

to which extent they influence the rest of the design process and whether these effects are positive or negative can be debated

but continually denying they have any effect and R* has not taken cash cards into account anywhere in the game IS f*cking stupidly retarded and dimwitted

and that's NOT AN OPINION

 

not to mention the many gross fallacies being thrown around here.

literally none of my arguments have been adressed all these idiots have done is throw around strawmen and ad riduculums (ad ridiculi?)

so to say I'm not good at this debating stuff is just priceless

I dno what they're arguing against really but I know it isn't anything I ever said, or even implied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

R* adds microtransactions and than finetunes the game in order to sell the most possible, altering a lot of game aspects, negatively IMO

how any1 could possibly deny this is beyond me

Eh? You try to come across as clever and "educating the masses", but you can't even explain any of your concepts clearly.

 

If so many people aren't understanding what you're saying, then maybe the problem isn't them.

 

That post was utter gibberish, as usual.

 

haha thanks for chiming in

always love to hear from you

especially in depth posts adressing what I said

oh wait... XD

 

let's try this again step by step so you slow folks can follow

lets start by answering this simple yes/no qeustion

cash cards, do they impact the way this game was designed?

yes or no answer please

 

Are you still yapping on? You must be hell to live with.. jesus...

But I will answer your question..

::No not in the slightest::

Now.. you answer me this..

Tell me one time that you or anyone you know has been funnelled into buying a shark card..

Tell me one thing ingame that requires a shark card or any other form of real world cash..

Tell me one time in game that your experience has been effected by onscreen prompts during game play..

Prove to me that the devs have re structured payouts and money making in general to promote the use of cash cards....

Let me finish by saying that while the devs are pushing cash cards down our throat, I do beleive they are expensive for what you get in return, I personally wouldn't buy one... BUT there are people that dont have the time to grind out a million or even 500k so then cards make sense.

I will also say that once the card system was put in place its like printing money for rockstar, sooo if they really wanted to drain players of money they would have gone with a lower price enticing players to buy cards hence earning more money, this is obviously not the idea here..

 

for f*cks sake why would I defend silly arguments you make up that aren't even mine to begin with?

you guys are retarded!

 

Your the one arguing that R* is out to fleece us all on cash cards pal! This is your argument!

 

I wrote a 4k word essay proving my side of the argument, non of which have you been able to argue other wise or prove wrong..

 

All you keep saying is that the devs are subconsciously getting us to buy cash cards and they have structured the game to sell more, thats not hard evidence, you wont answer simple questions because you can't...

 

You carnt even answer or prove the fact that there has been in influx of players forced to buy cards because of lack of cash or any other reason, never mind the technicalities of the game being rigged to promote more sales...

 

Your that dumb that your sitting here coming up with all these conspiracy theories (that you cannot back up I might add) and that R* are cheating you left right and center and your still playing the friggin game... or are R* putting drugs in your cereal now not allowing you to leave gta...

 

Your forum ranting joke

 

where did I ever say R* is out to fleece us?

come on, quote me on it I f*cking dare you!

well go on than

Edited November 9, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[gizz01]

O..M..F GOD!

 

Are you or are you not saying ...... ya know what im wasting my friggin time here, you dont even know what the f*ck your own opinions are anymore..

 

Talking with with you is a complete waste of time, im done here

 

Absolute prick!, im actually concerned that people like you are walking the streets... jesus god..

Edited November 9, 2014 by gizz01

[Furry_Monkey]

It's like reading the work of 20 small children.

 

I do believe he thinks that his posts actually make sense. He clearly doesn't understand how to explain things to people who don't already know what he's trying to say.

 

I've had him on ignore for a long time now, because literally every post was utter nonsense, and when you questioned anything he said he'd say something like "hahaha you are so stupid because understand". I put him on ignore because I was going to get insulting with him, and it's clear that English isn't his first language and I believe that's the reason we don't understand him. I'm not gonna judge him just because of his poor English, when it's impressive that he speaks it at all.

 

I'm going back to not clicking "view it anyway".

[Ninja_Gear]

People talking like gta 6 is coming next year, this isn't CoD we are staying in GTA 5 easily for a couple of years until the next game is released.

Rumors have it GTA 6 will be set in Swagger Country, the country full of white walls of pure swag and enough chrome to last your entire YOLO.

 

Anyway, i wonder if GTA 6 will be a leap up, or down like GTA 5 when it comes to gameplay/atmosphere. I loved GTA 4 for its realistic ish approach. I hope GTA 6 will at least offer a bit more of both.

[Zwenkwiel]

It's like reading the work of 20 small children.

 

I do believe he thinks that his posts actually make sense. He clearly doesn't understand how to explain things to people who don't already know what he's trying to say.

 

I've had him on ignore for a long time now, because literally every post was utter nonsense, and when you questioned anything he said he'd say something like "hahaha you are so stupid because understand". I put him on ignore because I was going to get insulting with him, and it's clear that English isn't his first language and I believe that's the reason we don't understand him. I'm not gonna judge him just because of his poor English, when it's impressive that he speaks it at all.

 

I'm going back to not clicking "view it anyway".

again not adressing a single word of what I said and only attacking me personally

I admit I'm not above the occasional (well pretty damn often) ad hominem myself and perhaps I should refrain from doing so (it's just too much fun XD)

but you literally do nothing BUT attack me personally

ow and as for the silly, a lot of people don't understand you so it must be you argument.

a lot of people don't understand quantum physics...

[gizz01]

It's like reading the work of 20 small children.

 

I do believe he thinks that his posts actually make sense. He clearly doesn't understand how to explain things to people who don't already know what he's trying to say.

 

I've had him on ignore for a long time now, because literally every post was utter nonsense, and when you questioned anything he said he'd say something like "hahaha you are so stupid because understand". I put him on ignore because I was going to get insulting with him, and it's clear that English isn't his first language and I believe that's the reason we don't understand him. I'm not gonna judge him just because of his poor English, when it's impressive that he speaks it at all.

 

I'm going back to not clicking "view it anyway".

If you sent his posts to a psychiatric doctor they would section him..

 

Im fine with language issues, damn im english born and bread and im the worlds worst, I have no excuse lol, but when somone pushes there beliefs and refuses to back them up and THEN to looses track of what they themselves believe I get a little techy...

 

But I have to take some blame myself, trying to communicate with such a person is futile...

[GTA Master 007]

Its either I suck at reading or somebody has problems putting words together. If you are doing it on purpose, why? Don't you want people to understand your argument or is it a way of disguising complete garbage. I think its the latter.

[Furry_Monkey]

trying to communicate with such a person is futile...

 

It cannot be more succinct than that.

[Zwenkwiel]

O..M..F GOD!

 

Are you or are you not saying ...... ya know what im wasting my friggin time here, you dont even know what the f*ck your own opinions are anymore..

 

Talking with with you is a complete waste of time, im done here

 

Absolute prick!, im actually concerned that people like you are walking the streets... jesus god..

i'm saying exactly what I'm saying, it's not exactly rocket surgery

cash cards (or microtransactions) are in this game and they influence the way the game was designed

this is not an opinion, f*cking R* came out before launch and said, GTA:ONLINE is going to be f2p and will have microtransactions, free DLC etc.

now comes the opinion part with which you have every right to agree or disagree

I feel that this decision has negatively impacted the way the game turned out for various reasons I have discussed in this thread

E.G payouts/prices lack of lobby settings etc. to which extent these are a result of the cash cards is again debatable

but you morons continue to say there are literally no consequences to the f2p model whatsoever

which is just downright ridiculous since there clearly are,R* even admits to some of them (like free DLC and the ability to buy in game currency)

 

so again, you honestly feel that the f2p model or the cash cards that come with have had no influence on this game whatsoever?

and everything would be exactly the same if it had just used a more traditional payed DLC model or something?

 

edit: is it just me or has our quick and heated back and forth suddenly gone awefully quiet? XD

pussies!

Edited November 9, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[GTA Master 007]

cash cards (or microtransactions) are in this game and they influence the way the game was designed

 

So theoretically speaking cash cards is the reason for the sh*t car handling and the reason why a tank can't drive through a tree?

[Zwenkwiel]

 

 

cash cards (or microtransactions) are in this game and they influence the way the game was designed

 

So theoretically speaking cash cards is the reason for the sh*t car handling and the reason why a tank can't drive through a tree?

 

not sure if trolling or serious :S (kind of hard to tell with the unprecedented levels of ignorance and stupidity I've just witnessed)

but I'll give you a real answer in a sarcastic manner (so I pretty much mean the exact opposite of what I'm about to say)

yes when I say they influence the game's design I mean any and all aspects of it are soley dictated by the existence of cash cards

so yes the reason a tank can't run over a tree is because of cash cards

nice powers of deduction there

/sarcasm

 

hope that clears things up, in case it doesn't get back to me and I'll explain in more detail and with a bit less cynicism XD

Edited November 9, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[Phonics_monkey08]

TL:DR Can you Summarize it for me OP?

God damn man it took me 30 seconds to read that. Lazy cun+, In the time you took to post that, you coulda read it.

OT: I wouldn't be surprised if we stayed in LS for awhile and had add ons. I'd really like to see liberty city, just thinking bout cruising around in the stallion with game fm on. Nostalgia!

[NearExpansion]

GTA VI - probably 4 or 5 years off, each 'new' game has taken longer to appear. There's so much 'dead' space not really being exploited on GTAO, so I expect a few more updates for PS3 before its neglected for next gen consoles.

 

R* still have Agent on their production list, and surely a Red Dead sequel too. Take Two also franchise the Mafia series so they can wait for GTA VI while Mafia III makes them some cash.

[GTA Master 007]

 

 

 

cash cards (or microtransactions) are in this game and they influence the way the game was designed

 

So theoretically speaking cash cards is the reason for the sh*t car handling and the reason why a tank can't drive through a tree?

not sure if trolling or serious :S (kind of hard to tell with the unprecedented levels of ignorance and stupidity I've just witnessed)

but I'll give you a real answer in a sarcastic manner (so I pretty much mean the exact opposite of what I'm about to say)

yes when I say they influence the game's design I mean any and all aspects of it are soley dictated by the existence of cash cards

so yes the reason a tank can't run over a tree is because of cash cards

nice powers of deduction there

/sarcasm

 

hope that clears things up, in case it doesn't get back to me and I'll explain in more detail and with a bit less cynicism XD

A post written in satire is "stupid and ignorant" wow you're a genius and I bet a lot of people say that to you. Did your mom and dad send you to a special school because of this? I'm jealous

[waters]

If the map did expand by its literal borders and not having to fly island to island Las Venturas would be the most logical second city to add in terms of geography...and San Fierro actually.

 

Yeah I would say it's a good possibility that the rest of San Andreas may be implemented in the future. We've got at least another year probably two before that happens though

What would be the point in las venturas if you can't gamble?

I personally think it will be 30 player Liberty City sessions, still think they can rake in more money by selling a 6-7 year old map again

Edited November 9, 2014 by waters

[Zwenkwiel]

 

 

 

 

cash cards (or microtransactions) are in this game and they influence the way the game was designed

 

So theoretically speaking cash cards is the reason for the sh*t car handling and the reason why a tank can't drive through a tree?

 

not sure if trolling or serious :S (kind of hard to tell with the unprecedented levels of ignorance and stupidity I've just witnessed)

but I'll give you a real answer in a sarcastic manner (so I pretty much mean the exact opposite of what I'm about to say)

yes when I say they influence the game's design I mean any and all aspects of it are soley dictated by the existence of cash cards

so yes the reason a tank can't run over a tree is because of cash cards

nice powers of deduction there

/sarcasm

 

hope that clears things up, in case it doesn't get back to me and I'll explain in more detail and with a bit less cynicism XD

 

A post written in satire is "stupid and ignorant" wow you're a genius and I bet a lot of people say that to you. Did your mom and dad send you to a special school because of this? I'm jealous

 

lol unlike everything you just said which wasn't sarcastic at all XD

seriously are you for real here?

[Evan-KCR]

It was going to be released on new gen anyway.

[reform]

 

 

I've had him on ignore for a long time now...

 

Wait , wait, wait... hold the phone!!!

 

We can put people here on ignore!?!?!

 

This would save me sooo much grief!

 

 

 

Also:

 

 

it's not exactly rocket surgery

... lol.

Edited November 9, 2014 by reform

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

I've had him on ignore for a long time now...

 

Wait , wait, wait... hold the phone!!!

 

We can put people here on ignore!?!?!

 

This would save me sooo much grief!

 

 

 

Also:

 

 

it's not exactly rocket surgery

... lol.

 

 

Yes, and it really makes this a better forum. At the top of the page where your name is, on the right, click it to get the menu and go to "Manage ignore prefs". Just add a name and it's done. Their posts are hidden and it says "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Zwenkwiel. View it anyway?" (in this case). If you click "view it anyway" then you get to see it. You do see their posts when they're quoted by people, which really makes me chuckle when you get someone claiming to be clever, and when you tell them you're adding them to your ignore list they actually respond! If someone carries on the quote train you get to see how dumb they are

[X S]

I agree with what Zwenkwiel is saying about the free-to-play strategy, but hook, line and sinker on that earlier bait. I can't come to the defense of someone that believes cash cards have something to do with tanks running over trees.

[BitBasher]

this is not an opinion, f*cking R* came out before launch and said, GTA:ONLINE is going to be f2p and will have microtransactions, free DLC etc.

 

Please post a link to where Rockstar said this was F2P. Be specific.

 

This game is not in any way F2P. We all had to pay to get the game, which is explicitly not a Free to Play model being not Free in any way.

[X S]

 

Please post a link to where Rockstar said this was F2P. Be specific.

 

This game is not in any way F2P. We all had to pay to get the game, which is explicitly not a Free to Play model being not Free in any way.

 

 

Right, we all paid $60 for GTA V, but independent of Story Mode, GTA Online is an in de facto free-to-play model. You don't need to pay anything extra for GTA Online. There were some obvious problems with creating incentives to purchase in-game cash, and somewhere along the line, the strategy backfired. Instead of purchasing cash cards, people were exploiting the game, ie. glitching money, grinding RR 24/7. It was either they increase payouts, or further risk having the game destroyed.

 

Making a free-to-play model that works has to be completely separate from Story Mode GTA V. Like you said, we all payed $60 for it, so why should we have to pay for in-game cash online? That's a very delicate balance, and difficult to manage. Let's just say this is one area where Rockstar failed miserably.

Edited November 9, 2014 by Crossed Sabres

[BitBasher]

 

Right, we all paid $60 for GTA V, but independent of Story Mode, GTA Online is an in de facto free-to-play model. You don't need to pay anything extra for GTA Online. There were some obvious problems with creating incentives to purchase in-game cash, and somewhere along the line, the strategy backfired. Instead of purchasing cash cards, people were exploiting the game, ie. glitching money, grinding RR 24/7. It was either they increase payouts, or further risk having the game destroyed.

 

Making a free-to-play model that works has to be completely separate from Story Mode GTA V. Like you said, we all payed $60 for it, so why should we have to pay for in-game cash online? That's a very delicate balance, and difficult to manage. Let's just say this is one area where Rockstar failed miserably.

 

 

Having microtransactions does not mean a game is using a f2p model. You are guilty of a false analogy here. The Crew and Forza have microtransactions and they are no more F2P than GTA.

 

It's extremely beneficial for a company to have an optional revenue stream in an online game because an online game costs them ongoing money for development. If a game has a revenue stream the company is far, far more likely to keep patching and supporting the game, and it gives them incentive to keep developing and expanding it. This game in the last year has seen far more patches and support that the online portion of GTA IV ever did and this support shows no signs of slowing down. That's because of cash cards.

 

As far as balance in microtransactions Rockstar has succeeded spectacularly. There are no items that you have to buy with cash cards, there are no cash card exclusive goods that give a tangible advantage. Cash can be reasonably earned in the game by anyone willing to do it assuming that person isn't horribly inept. The only people I have seen that are angry at cash cards are the people that WANT THINGS NOW without working for it, the people that feel they are entitled to things.

 

I have earned 16.9 million doing jobs and another 15.5 million selling cars. I sell a car every 48 minutes I play. I own a Tornado and drive into gang territory and garage gang Tornadoes to sell for nearly 13k each along with the good paying High Priority vehicles for Simeon which sell for up to 16k. I have exported just under 200 cars just for HPV exports alone. It adds up fast. I do jobs with friends. It's fun, it's not a grind. Without cheating or wasting time doing a boring grind I have millions laying around.