V PC to use Denuvo DRM

[DaRkL3AD3R]

Anyone saying that they were gonna buy GTA V on PC for mods and now they aren't, please don't sell out and buy it on consoles. This only shows Rockstar that these scumbag tactics work at taking away the most of your money and giving you a lesser product in return. Don't let them kill our tradition.

[donnits]

Anyone saying that they were gonna buy GTA V on PC for mods and now they aren't, please don't sell out and buy it on consoles. This only shows Rockstar that these scumbag tactics work at taking away the most of your money and giving you a lesser product in return. Don't let them kill our tradition.

The only reason i was going to buy GTA V a second time was to mod it on PC. If i can't do that, there is no reason for me to buy it a second time.

[ReginaPhalange]

3DMGAME-Lords Of The Fallen -3DM

[Hitman5]

everybody needs to calm down. all it is just a little speculation and everyone is cursing and swearing at R* without knowing any truth. for all we know there could be modes of GTA:O with mods, so just chill until actual facts are known.

 

denuvo doesn't just do DRM too, R* could be contracting them for other work...

Edited November 7, 2014 by Hitman5

[Foffy]

I thought the game was also using Steamworks, so maybe this is additional DRM to prevent such a major release from being pirated. I hope it's not intrusive and is solely done to keep the game in a walled garden sort of model, especially GTA Online. The fact PS3 and 360 were hacked to the moon around this time last year meant that online games were full of broken sh*t everywhere. This is, of course, assuming the DRM works for the game and doesn't bleed into poor performance. If this is a remnant of SecuROM - one of the most famous examples where it absolutely bleeds into performance - we're in for a headache.

 

On the topic of DRM, one of my favorites is FADE, which is the DRM used by Bohemia Interactive. The clever nature of the DRM has often been disregarding by the pirating community, because very few are aware of how it worked for many years. Their games are rather niche as well - realistic military games in an age of Cowwadooties everywhere - giving the DRM a more allusive nature.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Foffy

[_Klebitz_]

THE END OF GTA MODDING IS NEAR!!! @NTAuthority knows what he's talking about, I won't get GTAV on launch day for PC. I will wait untill I'm sure it's moddable.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

I just hope it doesn't affect singleplayer and modding. Applying it in GTA Online looks like a good measure to stop cheating and hacks.

Let's just wait till the game is out to bash on R* just for a rumor.

[fefenc]

GTA SP and GTA Online system works like one. Changing from SP to Online is the same sh*t as changing to a 4th character on the game, this is the reason some people manage to glitch SP with MP to transfer cars.

 

In short: If this DRM catch GTA Online, it'll certainly catch GTA SP aswell.

Edited November 7, 2014 by fefenc

[RaduG]

I like how when any site talks about this drm they hold up FIFA as a shining example lol. FIFA has such a small following on the PC I doubt the scenes would even bother even at the challenge of a new DRM. Also while LOTF remains uncracked this is not a shining example either as 99% of gamers didn't even know about that game until after it launched, it was very under the radar and still relatively is except for being mentioned when this drm is. However this news means the scenes will likely be using LOTF now to find away around this drm by the time GTA V releases. Time will tell I guess?

 

What? FIFA is in the top 5 most pirated games on PC every year. The "small following" you talk about must be the amount of people that actually buy FIFA on PC, not the amount that play it.

 

The DRM might work on FIFA, but there are many people who buy GTA on PC for the mods so they're not gonna buy it if it's not moddable.

They might actually pirate it once the crackers bypass the DRM (if it's possible).

 

I hope that all the posts by Rockstar showcasing mods are an indication that they really care about the modding community.

I don't think they are that stupid. One of the reasons why GTA is so popular on PC is the mods. They keep the game alive even after many years.

Almost 10 years have passed since the release of San Andreas on PC and SAMP is still played by many (mostly kids but that's not the point )

The GTA games are always on top sellers during Steam sales (even IV with it's 4 DRMs and sh*tty optimization)

If they actually use this DRM, they could still somehow allow modding by adding official support for it, no? NTAuthority?

Wouldn't it work with Steam Workshop so we can at least add maps, car models or characters (like this one for Left 4 Dead 2)?

[hornedturtle]

My money is someone has already broken it, and is currently working on a public version.

[lazloisdavrock]

This kind of crap is what pushed me away from PC gaming after being an enthusiast for so many years. Tired of being treated like a theif or pirate all the time. I got sick of it. I don't have to worry about this garbage on consoles and I don't have to worry about it running like garbage. Just pop it in and sit. So much drama.

[Phil Cassidy7]

Ash warned you guys.

 

That's all. (:

You say it like we could have done something to prevent it, it's nobody's fault in here.

[Choteron]

This one example of what mods can do. This is insane

 

http://www.dsogaming.com/screenshot-news/gta-iv-modded-at-4k-looks-mind-blowing-new-images-blend-the-line-between-video-games-cgi/

[Kampret]

 

You know, there's only 3 cancers of gaming. Elitism/fanboyism, crackers/pirates, and DRM. Cracking software are bad, but implementing a strict DRM barely helped at all.

 

I simply hope steam downloads aren't the only way to get the game.

You will definitely need steam, even for the retail version. Ash knew/predicted it.

 

 

Well, I'm okay with Steam integration, but I'm not okay about Steam download is the only option to get the game. My internet connection will make it take about 3-4 days to download the game.

[Paladin Goo]

 

As a home business owner whose workstation doubles as his gaming machine, I'm perfectly within the terms. Technically speaking.

using it for business purposes still isn't 'testing and evaluation'.

 

You don't seem to grasp the point. I pay for this membership, and I use it for development. My workstation is what I develop on, and when my work is done, it's what I game on. I am *well within* the terms. I know it for a fact; I discussed ALL of this with my Microsoft rep long before I even got into it. Stop it.

[PittDawg]

 

I like how when any site talks about this drm they hold up FIFA as a shining example lol. FIFA has such a small following on the PC I doubt the scenes would even bother even at the challenge of a new DRM. Also while LOTF remains uncracked this is not a shining example either as 99% of gamers didn't even know about that game until after it launched, it was very under the radar and still relatively is except for being mentioned when this drm is. However this news means the scenes will likely be using LOTF now to find away around this drm by the time GTA V releases. Time will tell I guess?

 

What? FIFA is in the top 5 most pirated games on PC every year. The "small following" you talk about must be the amount of people that actually buy FIFA on PC, not the amount that play it.

 

The DRM might work on FIFA, but there are many people who buy GTA on PC for the mods so they're not gonna buy it if it's not moddable.

They might actually pirate it once the crackers bypass the DRM (if it's possible).

 

I hope that all the posts by Rockstar showcasing mods are an indication that they really care about the modding community.

I don't think they are that stupid. One of the reasons why GTA is so popular on PC is the mods. They keep the game alive even after many years.

Almost 10 years have passed since the release of San Andreas on PC and SAMP is still played by many (mostly kids but that's not the point )

The GTA games are always on top sellers during Steam sales (even IV with it's 4 DRMs and sh*tty optimization)

If they actually use this DRM, they could still somehow allow modding by adding official support for it, no? NTAuthority?

Wouldn't it work with Steam Workshop so we can at least add maps, car models or characters (like this one for Left 4 Dead 2)?

 

FIFA was the third most pirated game in "2011". Which opens up another debate, in which if something is available for free people will try it out. Just because it was one of the most pirated games one year doesn't mean it has a large following.

[ayushisrocking]

lol, dont care( as long as it doesn't slow down my PC, which is not powerful anyways!). will pre-purchase on Steam nevertheless, at $60.

[TimmyM56]

Hopefully we can create enough of an uproar over this that Rockstar will have to say something about this mess.

[_CP_]

Y NO update.rpf?

[Geeteeaifive]

It doesn't matter what DRM as long as it doesn't affect game performance too much.Some people playing lords of the fallen experienced severe slowdowns. If that's true then that DRM indeed does slow down the game by a bit, but for a high end system it shouldn't be a problem. Since steam DRM is almost nonexistent, ill still get it on steam.

 

Also if modders can't mod because of it... that's half game potential just pissed away.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Geeteeaifive

[jimmycakes]

o sh*t! I have to click one extra button? f*ck this!

Edited November 7, 2014 by jimmycakes

[Geeteeaifive]

Only thing I can say is my buddy bought Lords of the Fallen and has a rig more than capable of running it yet he says and I've witnessed that game is a technical nightmare that many are saying is the result of this new DRM. So lets be clear this DRM is being used for a linear game like LOTF and has completely borked that game up to no end, how well you think its going to do with an expansive open world game like GTA V?

f*ck.. we're doomed. Well that's it, i'll wait a few days max after the release, read the reviews and see if the game performs as bad as GTA iv or not.

[SAVILLAIN]

oh they will crack it like a easter egg

 

nothing to see here people move on

[VIPΣR]

GTA SP and GTA Online system works like one. Changing from SP to Online is the same sh*t as changing to a 4th character on the game, this is the reason some people manage to glitch SP with MP to transfer cars.

 

In short: If this DRM catch GTA Online, it'll certainly catch GTA SP aswell.

That will definitely be the case, because R* keeps mentioning the seemless transition from SP to Online. They probably won't create separate .exe.

[HesamB]

well that does it, I can't play the game and neither anyone from my country. games don't get sold here so our only hope for playing the other way got sh*tted on.

 

edit:

there are people who love the game, who have the money to buy the game, who want to support the industry, who despise piracy, who would have bought the game 100 times if they could,

 

BUT THEY FOCKING CAN'T, BECAUSE OF POLITICS. you know what I'm talking about.

Edited November 7, 2014 by HesamB

[Performer]

Wow. Great news. Thanks Rockstar.

 

I wanna know who had that smart decision. Modding are essentail to GTA. Why does Rockstar not see it? The "Anti-Tamper" is indeed f*cking up the script mods and ENB.

 

Say bye bye to a second multiplayer and mods. At least as long as this isn't cracked.

 

But eversince its a game as huge as GTA: It will get cracked.

 

But this makes everything complicated again. Getting more people to modding is impossible with those kinds of restrictions

[Xerukal]

I'd like to go with the "SecuROM renamed" theory, but the fact that this Rockstar logo was added so recently (May 2014) leads me to believe it does indeed have something to do with GTA V and/or GTA Online, not past projects.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Xerukal

[MrCaramba]

 

Lol, you think THIS will stop piracy? That's hilarious.

Lords of the Fallen and Fifa 15 who both use Denuvo remain uncracked.

 

Fifa 14 used Denuvo too, according to website.

[Chris S]

what is "ceg"

>'anti-tamper'
enjoy no script hooks, engine improvements, ENB, and so on, it's even worse than CEG

 

[sparky66]

There is a lot of hate for DRM, understandably so as there have been some pretty f*cked up DRM on pc games. Always online, sh*tty servers, taking forever to load, blocking all attempts at modding etc etc. and often someone finds a way around it all anyway, meaning the people who paid are stuck with it whilst someone is playing the game unrestricted and for free. I hate this sort of DRM, but unfortunately this seems to be how the majority of DRM works.

 

I'm not against the concept of DRM, I have no problems with stopping people stealing the game. But the DRM should have no negative effect on legitimate users. That is where most DRM goes wrong and why everyone hates it so much. We should stop raging at rockstar over speculation and before we know the facts. If this DRM turns out to be sh*t then we can rage at them.

 

If the DRM doesn't stop modding, doesn't require an online connection, doesn't affect performance and doesn't require me to start and login to some extra sh*tty service like origin or uplay then I can't see any problems with it. I don't mind steam, I was against it at first but it's pretty unobtrusive and does have a lot of good deals on games.

 

Rockstar have voiced their support for modding in the past, giving it as one of the reasons people still play GTA games years after their release. I doubt they would make it impossible to mod. And if they do then there are going to be a lot of skilled modders trying to find a way around the restrictions.

Edited November 7, 2014 by sparky66