Grand Theft Auto III Pre-Release Discussion

[unopescio]

1 hour ago, Jinx. said:

It was first shown in GTASV's design video almost a month ago IIRC. The guy on deviantart remade it to be in the same style as the other artworks.

They don't even explain where it came from other than its "never before seen artwork". Not to play the sceptic but Its kind of weird. The art style does look spot on but where did it come from? The GDD is printed in black and white

[Jinx.]

3 hours ago, unopescio said:

They don't even explain where it came from other than its "never before seen artwork". Not to play the sceptic but Its kind of weird. The art style does look spot on but where did it come from? The GDD is printed in black and white

I have no clue, but it's legit, according to quote below:

  

On 10/9/2021 at 4:05 AM, Ash_735 said:

Stephen Bliss confirmed that the Major character was one of the first few characters he drew in GTA3's "final" art style, it'll be interesting to see if he does an anniversary upload too.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Jinx.

[Neon-Noir 198X]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but, again; I feel the need to point out the fact that the design document will never shared in its entirely is a still a slap in the face to the community who have been sifting through old web-pages, magazines and press material for well-over a decade now to try and paint a more cohesive picture of what one of our favourite game's development was like. However, what I think is more important is the preservation of video game history aspect.

 

We waited years after that auction ended, only to have it be condensed into a two-hour video exclusively for one YouTube channel. While yes, the video was well-produced, crammed in heaps of information and no doubt took a long time to produce, the issue still stands that this is the only source. 

 

From a preservation standpoint, let's put things into perspective. The document is merely paper. Paper degrades, paper can easily be destroyed (water, fire, literally just exposure to oxygen). With the knowledge that particular pages have been scanned (as per the GTASeries video), we know that a partial, or a full-copy does exist. The problem is, hard-drives fail. CDs fail, tapes fail, passwords get forgotten, and sometimes things just get lost. Any media is prone to failure and there is a genuine risk that this document could be lost to time, and I don't think anyone in this thread would want that to happen.

 

Simply put, we cannot rely on a single video, hosted on a single media-sharing platform, by a single content-creator to be a secure method of preserving video game history. (Not to mention, you cannot cover a massive document like that in just a two hour video. Things would have been missed, that cannot be denied, and as someone who's just as obsessive about understanding and discovering information regarding beta / alpha builds of GTA titles as anyone else here, it kinda stings.)

 

Of course, I do understand that a private transaction is a private transaction. There's no obligation on the buyer's end to share the document whatsoever, but to those in posession of the scanned document, or even the physical document, please consider the points I raised.

 

That's all, I guess. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just feel disappointed by how the situation was handled.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Komosexual
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[Americana]

Maybe somebody once told them not to share it?

Edited November 4, 2021 by Americana

[Martin4004]

9 hours ago, Americana said:

Maybe somebody once told them not to share it?

Yeah, Rockstar. Imo 90% of the doc was shown in their video, while 10% still remains a mystery..

[universetwisters]

1 hour ago, Martin4004 said:

Yeah, Rockstar. Imo 90% of the doc was shown in their video, while 10% still remains a mystery..

 

I really wanna see that 10 percent but then again, with the rest of the doc, the chase is much better than the catch 

[YufflesGaming]

 

[Guest]

DE left the notused text for SA.

What about 3 or VC though?

[Stahli]

@YufflesGaming is this your youtube Channel? Would you like to share the Press Kits as pdf documents? 

 

Edit: I see, it's the Channel from @MrAnderson247

Edited November 18, 2021 by Stahli

[YufflesGaming]

6 hours ago, Stahli said:

@YufflesGaming is this your youtube Channel? Would you like to share the Press Kits as pdf documents? 

 

Edit: I see, it's the Channel from @MrAnderson247

This channel is not mine

[BlueyDanger]

In gta 3 their was a cut feature where in if you were to commit a crime let's say you killed a ped near another ped that other ped would go to the nearest payphone and call 911 you can still make this feature in game work via mods

[86DX]

On 1/19/2021 at 7:42 AM, H-G said:

- According to the early revisions of the subtitles for the opening cutscene of "Marked Man", Ray was supposed to use the "f*ck" word three times in the cutscene, meaning III once included SA's level of strong language. Well, Ray is voiced by Robert Loggia, after all...

For anyone wondering what the subs are...(thanks archive.org for the .ipa of 3)
 

Spoiler

PRINT_NOW RM6_B 4000 1 //"This is it, I'm in way over my f*cking head and I'm starting to f*cking drown here!" WHILE cs_time < 8597 WAIT 0 GET_CUTSCENE_TIME cs_time ENDWHILE PRINT_NOW RM6_C 4000 1 //"The CIA seem to have a vested interest in SPANK" WHILE cs_time < 11482 WAIT 0 GET_CUTSCENE_TIME cs_time ENDWHILE PRINT_NOW RM6_C1 4000 1 //"and they don't like us f*cking with the Cartel!"

Oh yeah, speaking of f-bombs in .sc files....
from "joey4.sc"
 

Spoiler

IF NOT IS_CAR_HEALTH_GREATER tonis_ride 900 AND Toni_abuse1_done_before = 0 PRINT_NOW ( JM4_6 ) 5000 1 //"Watch the f*ckin CAR!" PLAY_MISSION_AUDIO Toni_abuse1_done_before = 1

 

[Mangix]

On 11/4/2021 at 1:13 PM, Komosexual said:

Simply put, we cannot rely on a single video, hosted on a single media-sharing platform, by a single content-creator to be a secure method of preserving video game history. (Not to mention, you cannot cover a massive document like that in just a two hour video. Things would have been missed, that cannot be denied, and as someone who's just as obsessive about understanding and discovering information regarding beta / alpha builds of GTA titles as anyone else here, it kinda stings.)

I surely hope that one day someone will share the scanned documents.

[YufflesGaming]

[Helegad]

Would love to see some HQ scans of that article.

 

Advance must have started conceptualisation at around this point in III's development, the HUD font and colours are a dead giveaway.

[Jinx.]

14 hours ago, Helegad said:

Would love to see some HQ scans of that article.

 

Advance must have started conceptualisation at around this point in III's development, the HUD font and colours are a dead giveaway.

I think you're right. This thread also says that it was reported as far back as May 2001, which fits since those pics are definitely after E3.

 

 

 

Even these early screenshots had the same hud colors.

[Lioshenka]

Have these screenshots been posted before? Unusual Landstalker colour scheme:

 

[Jenci]

i saw those screenshots before 

[Anywhere USA]

Anyone here working on a mod to add the Nuclear Plant and Chemical Plant? As an aspiring Machinima maker, the locales would be very interesting to have.

[SLON1936]

On 1/10/2022 at 10:41 PM, Anywhere USA said:

Anyone here working

GTA 3D

[thehambone]

On 12/15/2021 at 9:42 AM, Lioshenka said:

Have these screenshots been posted before? Unusual Landstalker colour scheme:

 

The 2nd one with the cop cars appears on the back cover of the PS2 release. In fact, that's one if the images they doctored to "fix" the police car colors after 9/11.

 

Edit: I just checked and it turns out I'm totally wrong about this; no clue where I got that idea from! I swear I remember seeing it printed somewhere.

Edited February 1 by thehambone

[Anywhere USA]

9 hours ago, SLON1936 said:

GTA 3D

Isn’t that more of a total Alpha conversion?

[Rolf Wiedeke]

On 12/15/2021 at 7:42 PM, Lioshenka said:

Have these screenshots been posted before? Unusual Landstalker colour scheme:

 

The Landstalker doesn't have an unusual colour scheme. Before they massacred most of the cars with bodymaps, the cars looked more natural and even better than what we got now. 

The spoilers and the overall look of  Landstalker look like your generic Toyota/Mitsubishi cars from late 90's,early 2000's.

In the final version, because of the horror that is the body64 texture, the spoilers don't have the original silver texture, instead they are leaning more towards black.

Another thing that makes me wonder is why did they massacre the police car that much. Its final scheme looks like a 5 year old was given crayons and just messed around there. They could have kept the scheme and change the color to black, like they did in LCS. 

[LeakyLine]

Not sure if it's been posted before, but there's a myriad of unused ambient music loops in the game files, one or two of them being muffled loops from GTA 1/2 songs. Pretty interesting stuff.

 

 

[_Rob_]

I wonder if these were intended for a specific location, or were there "just in case".

[NotoriousLipe]

Does anybody knows what magazine is this from? It's on GTA Series Videos video about GTA 3's design

 

https://imgur.com/a/TbL69dh

[Lioshenka]

On 1/30/2022 at 10:55 PM, LeakyLine said:

Not sure if it's been posted before, but there's a myriad of unused ambient music loops in the game files, one or two of them being muffled loops from GTA 1/2 songs. Pretty interesting stuff.

 

 

Isn't one of them from the Police Ball mission and another from that party in the docks?

[Jinx.]

Just noticed that there is an unused line for The Fuzz Ball in the GXT.

 

[LM5_A] {Luigi} The Policeman's Ball is being held at the old school hall near the Callahan Bridge

[LM5_B] {luigi} and they'll be looking for some 'old school' action.

[LM5_C] {Luigi} Now I got girls all over town walking the streets.

[LM5_D] {luigi} Get'em to the ball they'll make a bundle.

[LM5_1] ~g~You pack these ladies too tight, they gonna bruise!

~g~Drop these girls off first, then come back for more.

[LM5_2] ~r~One of Luigi's girls is bodybag meat!

[LM5_3] ~g~You need a car!

[LM5_4] ~g~Pick up the girls working St. Marks.

[LM5_5] ~g~Take the girls to the Fuzz Ball!

 

All of these lines are bundled together in the mobile GXT txt. The additions to the missions are deeper in the file, depending on the timeframe things got changed.

 

[LM5_8] ~g~Girls working the Ball: ~1~

This line is right after the ones above, but it's pretty late because there is a LM5_7 that precedes it but is deeper in the file. It's also unused and was likely meant to be used for debugging purposes.

 

[LM5_E] {Luigi} Get as many of them as you can before the cops drink away their green.

The last cutscene line, deeper in the file.

 

[LM5_7] ~g~Less than four girls working the ~p~Fuzz Ball~g~ and Luigi won't be happy!

The line I mentioned earlier, which is more below the one above.

 

 

 

So at one point, they used the mission from the Doc as an idea but had you drive to Saint Marks instead, and the intro cutscene was more like in final, meaning no pagers et al.

 

 

 

EDIT: The shopkeeper cutscene in Shima was ingame at one point.

 

[KM4_7]
~r~The shopkeeper's breathed his last!

He also has an unused line.

 

[KM4_3]
This ain't what I pay you goons for. If I wanted this kind of protection I'd have used the god damn police service

 

EDIT 2: One unused line during Van Heist.

 

[JM3_2]
~w~Ram the van until its damage is below 70 percent.

Edited March 30 by Jinx.

[unopescio]

not pre release but i dont know where to put it. the japanese ps2 manual is in full colour which is kind of cool. I can post the rest later maybe if I remember.

[Lips10Sixx]

Has anyone ever noticed how squared and blocky looking the front bumper was on the Cabbie? If so, Is there a .dff floating around?