Grand Theft Auto III Pre-Release Discussion

[H-G]

2 hours ago, Jinx. said:

So I've been looking into the cut multiplayer modes lately, and I think I found some good ideas for what they were likely supossed to be.

 

 

 

Deatmatch and Team Deathmatch are classics, but not much is known about the Stealth variants. Maybe they were supossed to act more like the other FPS games, with no map and no names? In LCS/VCS and CTW, the players are always shown on the radar and in the Stories games they had their names and an arrow above them, so those might've been disabled.

 

Here's an interesting thing related to Stash the Cash. Chinatown Wars has this mode called "Stash Dash", where it's stated in the description that you have to stash the cash. This is probably the closest thing we will ever know about this mode. Basically you had to steal a vehicle with money and deliver it somewhere, and depending on the vehicle health, you'd get a specific ammount of money. The other players would have to steal this vehicle. Not sure if they had their own drop off location, though, as I never played this mode. If a specific ammount of money was collected, the player would win. LCS also has a similar mode called "The Wedding List", where it's a free-for-all and several cars are on the map, so if this mode was based on the CTW variant, it could've been a team mode. Not sure. What are your thoughts on this?

 

(video)

 

Capture The Flag is also a classic. It's been featured in many MP games from the time, like Half Life, TFC, Unreal, etc.

 

Rat Race has a definition on Wikipedia. Judging by this, it was probably like Bling Bling Scramble, where you'd have to go through checkpoints and achieve a certain score. No clue how it really played, though, but it doesn't sound like it was an average race.

 

Domination could've been based on the Domination mode from Unreal Tournament 1999. In this mode, there are 2 teams, and each team has to take over a control point. For each control point, each 5 seconds the team receives a point, and if a certain point limit was achieved, said team wins. Since the other modes, aside from STC and Rat Race, are really generic, it's safe to assume Domination was also generic.

 

 

 

As for the maps, it's safe to assume not all of them supported all the modes. I can't see Rat Race happening in The Sewer or in The Tower, for example. Stash the Cash could work but without cars it'd be some kind of Capture the Flag.

To add to that, if you open the game's executable in Notepad it's possible to find this bunch of raw code related to multiplayer:

gta3pc..GAMESPY - ERROR:  Could not initialise the GAMESPY SDK..GAMESPY - GAMESPY SDK initialised OK....openplaying.exiting.GAMESPY - Statechange sent..GAMESPY - GAMESPY SDK shut down OK..GAMESPY - GAMESPY LIST CREATED..GAMESPY - COULD NOT CREATE LIST!....ret: %d, %s.....GAMESPY - UPDATED THE GAMESPY LIST..GAMESPY - GAMESPY LIST DELETED..1.00....\gamename\%s\gamever\%s\location\%d.GAMESPY - Basic callback sent...\hostname\%s....\hostport\%d....\mapname\%s.\gametype\%s....\numplayers\%d..\maxplayers\%d..\gamemode\%s....GAMESPY - Info callback sent........darray.c....array->list.array...elemSize....(n >= 0) && (n < array->count)..(n >= 0) && (n <= array->count).comparator..fn..........basic...info....rules...players.status..packets.echo....secure..Èsa.Ìsa.Ôsa.Üsa.äsa.ìsa.ôsa.üsa..ta.ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................0ta.master.gamespy.com..............................................255.255.255.255.\...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................\...\queryid\%d.%d..gqueryreporting.c...qrec->qr_basic_callback.qrec->qr_info_callback..qrec->qr_rules_callback.qrec->qr_players_callback...\echo\%s....\validate\%s....\final\.\heartbeat\%d\gamename\%s...\statechanged\%d............ip..other...queryid.final...hwa.pwa.hostaddr....ping....%s_%d.......master.gamespy.com..............................................\basic\.\info\..\rules\.\players\...\info\\rules\...\status\....àwa.èwa.ðwa.øwa..xa..xa.........................gserverlist.c...list != NULL....list->updatelist != NULL....CallBackFn != NULL......\secure\....1.6.\gamename\%s\gamever\%s\location\0\validate\%s\final\\queryid\1.1\..groups..info2...cmp.\list\%s\gamename\%s\where\%s\final\....\list\%s\gamename\%s\final\.searchdelta > 0.serverlist..\final\.Unable to create socket.Unable to resolve master....Connection to master reset..Server List is busy.Unexpected data in server list..UNKNOWN ERROR CODE......................hashtable.c.hashFn..compFn..elemSize....nBuckets....table...table->buckets..fn......0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by H-G

[Brooklynzsmac]

On 5/1/2021 at 8:11 AM, H-G said:

Another interesting fact: See this BETA screenshot?

 

 

Notice the weirdly dumbed down dark-blue tone of the LCPD cruiser's primary body color compared to the earlier BETA screenshots depicting the cop car. Did R* try to change the tone of it's color after 9/11?
Apparently, if you "recreate" the BETA model and set it's primary body color to ID #53, the result is pretty similar to, if not the same as, the BETA screenshot above:

 

I'm pretty sure that it's not the color being different. That looks like the weird reflection map they used in later builds, also seen doing crazy f*ckery in this screenshot:

[H-G]

Fun stuff: Remember the "Silence The Sneak" mission?

 

 

Apparently, Ray says it's "SOME apartment behind the carpark", he doesn't say exactly which one would it be.
Investigating the said spot, it turns out there's another building behind the Newport carpark just above 8-Ball's bomb shop with an open window (but nothing inside it)!

 

Spoiler

 

While the safehouse model is defined and placed on the map through the "comNbtm.ide" and "comNbtm.ipl" files, respectively, the mission still loads it in the beginning of it's code (even in the final game):

 

// ******************************************END OF CUTSCENE********************************


REQUEST_MODEL safehouse


ADD_BLIP_FOR_COORD 378.0 -443.2 29.9 ray1_blip


PRINT_NOW RM1_1 5000 1 //"Check out the witness protection house."

 

Conversely, the model is unloaded in the mission cleanup list at the end too, as if it was a mission-exclusive object that would appear just in this mission and never again:

 

MARK_MODEL_AS_NO_LONGER_NEEDED PED_LI_MAN2
MARK_MODEL_AS_NO_LONGER_NEEDED CAR_SENTINEL
MARK_MODEL_AS_NO_LONGER_NEEDED safehouse

 

Conclusion?... Alright, think about it:

 

Was there a safehouse location randomizer in the mission's old version that would pick from the two possible spots (unused window/used window) and Claude would have to find the right one and then attack it?
Was this unused apartment window meant to be used in "Waka-Gashira Wipeout!" for sniping Kenji? What are your thoughts?

Edited September 5, 2021 by H-G

[Lips10Sixx]

Did a bit of Carcol edits to match E3-to German trailer.  I have though gone through tons of BETA images back and forth and back and forth to get these as close as possible thus far to images/ trailers seen.

Any more colors or crits are welcome! 

 

Some examples shown below
 

# Written by Carcols Editor v1.2 - GTAIII (http://www.gtagaming.com) 
# Updated by Lips10Sixx - 2021 GTAForum

#    1-10    service colours
#    11-20    reds
#    21-30    oranges
#    31-40    yellows
#    41-50    greens
#    51-60    blues
#    61-70    purples
#    71-80    greys
#
#    1-10    dark-light
#
#

col
5,5,5            # 0 black            black
245,245,245        # 1 white        white
0,93,144            # 2 police car blue        blue
255,0,0            # 3 cherry red        red
38,55,57            # 4 midnight blue        dark blue
134,68,110        # 5 temple curtain purple    purple
237,200,0        # 6 taxi yellow        yellow
76,117,183        # 7 striking blue        bright blue
189,190,198        # 8 light blue grey        light blue grey
94,112,114        # 9 hoods        light
49,0,0            # 10 red1        dark
90,33,36            # 11 red2        dark
132,4,16            # 12 red3        dark red
99,50,46            # 13 red4        red
181,20,0            # 14 red5        red
138,58,66        # 15 red6        red
100,13,26        # 16 red7        red
139,60,68        # 17 red8        red
158,47,43        # 18 red9        red
163,58,47        # 19 red10        light
210,86,51        # 20 orange1        dark
146,86,53        # 21 orange2        dark
184,124,38        # 22 orange3        dark
211,87,51        # 23 orange4        dark
226,90,89        # 24 orange5        orange
119,42,37        # 25 orange6        orange
225,119,67        # 26 orange7        orange
196,70,54        # 27 orange8        orange
225,120,68        # 28 orange9        orange
195,89,56        # 29 orange10        light
70,72,64            # 30 yellow1        dark
116,119,97        # 31 yellow2        dark
117,119,99        # 32 yellow3        dark
145,138,61        # 33 yellow4        yellow
148,140,102        # 34 yellow5        yellow
255,156,16        # 35 yellow6        yellow
216,165,52        # 36 yellow7        yellow
201,189,125        # 37 yellow8        yellow
201,197,145        # 38 yellow9        yellow
212,200,78        # 39 yellow10        light
26,51,46            # 40 green1        dark
36,47,43            # 41 green2        dark
29,55,63            # 42 green3        dark
60,74,59            # 43 green4        green
45,80,55            # 44 green5        green
82,105,82        # 45 green6        green
45,104,62        # 46 green7        green
124,162,130        # 47 green8        green
76,82,78            # 48 green9        green
86,119,91        # 49 green10        light
16,20,80                     # 50 blue1        dark
72,94,132        # 51 blue2        dark
28,39,69                     # 52 blue3        dark
28,55,111        # 53 blue4        blue
43,72,120        # 54 blue5        blue
71,92,131        # 55 blue6        blue
68,124,146        # 56 blue7        blue
61,103,171        # 57 blue8        blue
75,125,130        # 58 blue9        blue
128,176,183        # 59 blue10        light
61,35,51            # 60 purple1        dark
28,41,72            # 61 purple2/blue        dark
52,57,65            # 62 purple3        dark
64,69,76            # 63 purple4        purple
74,45,43            # 64 purple5        purple
86,62,51            # 65 purple6        purple
65,70,76            # 66 purple7/grey        purple
103,39,49        # 67 purple8        purple
131,90,117        # 68 purple9        purple
134,133,135        # 69 purple10        light
23,23,23            # 70 grey1        dark
46,46,46            # 71 grey2        dark
69,69,69            # 72 grey3        dark
92,92,92            # 73 grey4        silver
115,115,115        # 74 grey5        silver
138,138,138        # 75 grey6        silver
161,161,161        # 76 grey7        silver
184,184,184        # 77 grey8        silver
207,207,207        # 78 grey9        silver
222,223,231        # 79 grey10        light
170,175,170        # 80 light1        light
106,115,107        # 81 light2        light
170,175,170        # 82 light3        light
187,190,181        # 83 light4        light
224,223,214        # 84 light5        light
106,111,112        # 85 light6        light
96,99,95            # 86 light7        light
106,115,107        # 87 light8        light
170,175,170        # 88 light9        light
187,190,181        # 89 light10        light
33,41,43            # 90 dark1        dark
52,56,66            # 91 dark2        dark
65,70,72            # 92 dark3        dark
78,89,96            # 93 dark4        dark
65,69,76            # 94 dark5        dark
214,176,131        # 95 Idaho beige                light
137,187,222        # 96 Idaho blue                 blue
193,56,1            # 97 Stallion red 1             red 
212,201,32        # 98 Stallion yellow top        yellow 
174,3,35            # 99 Stallion red 2             red
216,209,145        # 100 Stallion beige             light
39,32,74            # 101 Sent/Stal purp             purple
215,160,16        # 102 Esperanto yellow           yellow
96,52,32            # 103 Stallion brown top         dark
232,198,66        # 104 Stallion yellow 1          yellow
220,236,0        # 105 Stallion yellow 2          yellow
55,137,155        # 106 Stallion teal top          light
0,152,198        # 107 Stallion blue                 blue
201,87,37                        # 108 Stallion orange    orange    
255,100,0        # 109 Esperanto orange       orange
121,253,238        # 110 Esperanto light            light
201,146,139        # 111 Idaho light red            red
123,124,207        # 112 Idaho purp                 purple
102,98,99        # 113 Idaho grey top             dark
28,180,255        # 114 BLUE Unused    blue 
2,146,255        # 115 BLUE Unused    blue 
42,119,198        # 116 BLUE Unused    blue
255,220,0        # 117 Taxi                    yellow
152,224,205        # 118 Mint Green             green
198,127,123        # 119 Light Pink         light
173,226,134        # 120 Land,Pere,Idah    green
99,98,16            # 121 Bobcat olive        green
202,132,107        # 122 Infernus light    light
219,166,24        # 123 Manana yellow    yellow
180,21,2,            # 124 Cheetah red        red
247,165,5        # 125 Beta Bus yellow    yellow
22,114,205        # 126 Police/Enf/Pred blue    blue
253,253,195        # 127 Stallion Beige 2    light
63,101,140        # 128 Esperanto Blue    blue
175,72,177        # 129 Cheetah Purp    purple
234,198,168        # 130 Land Beige        light
120,225,255        # 131 Bright Blue        light
69,130,179          # 132 Esperanto Blue Redo      blue
1,158,135        # 133 Brigham UNUSED    green
96,157,88        # 134 Felly bottom green    green
226,183,89        # 135 Felly top yellow    yellow
45,108,220        # 136 Felly top blue    blue
109,124,159        # 137 Felly bottom blue    blue
60,25,57            # 138 Infernus Alpha     purple
89,77,87            # 139 Purple        purple
240,250,200        # 140 offwhite        white
93,34,84            # 141 IdahoPurple2 German Purple
27,108,193        # 142 Kuruma Blue German    blue
5,82,26            # 143 Stinger Green German    green
16,48,0            # 144 Idaho Green              green
106,4,4            # 145 Stallion Red TOP    red
255,200,0        # 146 Rumpo Yellow             yellow
170,140,73        # 147 Bobcat Yellow    yellow    
219,187,133        # 148 Landstalker Beige    light


end
car
ambulan, 1,3
banshee, 28,1, 12,1, 52,1, 0,1, 1,116, 51,1, 47,66, 101,106,  53,1
bellyup, 19,73, 31,74, 45,75, 58,76, 64,77, 73,76, 34,75, 24,74
bfinject, 54,88, 67,79, 13,89, 63,39, 32,1, 51,78, 12,39, 40,38
blista, 24,72, 34,73, 44,74, 54,75, 64,72, 57,73, 48,74, 26,75
bobcat, 55,1, 65,1, 121,1, 147,1, 24,1, 58,1, 67,1, 14,1
borgnine, 12,73
bus, 125,73, 125,75, 125,0, 125,125, 
cabbie, 6,76
cheetah, 53,77, 124,77, 97,77, 39,77, 129,77, 0,77, 131,77, 
coach, 56,75, 75,79, 13,76, 44,27, 67,77, 55,52, 21,26, 74,15
columb, 0,76
corpse, 83,75
diablos, 97,98
enforcer, 2,1
escape, 0,0
esperant,  109,109, 50,50, 22,22, 110,110, 119,119, 132,132, 1,1, 49,49
fbicar, 0,76
firetruk, 3,1
ghost, 0,2
hoods, 9,73
idaho, 97,1, 111,38, 8,38, 45,95, 57,79, 68,64, 144,21, 141,31,     unused - 120,1, 96,95
infernus, 122,122, 12,74, 42,75, 50,73, 57,74, 138,75, 54,73, 1,1
kuruma, 51,1, 142,1, 45,1, 36,1, 143,1, 14,1, 12,1, 26,1, 65,1
landstal, 11,73, 18,74, 23,75, 120,76, 64,73, 52,74, 56,75, 148,76, 32,76, 41,76
linerun, 13,76, 97,77, 63,78, 42,76, 54,77, 39,78, 11,76, 60,77
mafia, 0,73
manana, 123,1 58,1, 1,1, 22,1, 18,1, 123,1, 45,1, 13,1, 
moonbeam, 12,75, 23,76, 32,77, 43,78, 50,75, 63,76, 53,77, 60,78, 52,75
mrwhoop, 1,3
mrwongs, 17,73, 22,74, 37,75, 46,76, 57,77, 68,76, 32,75, 47,74
mule, 22,77, 32,76, 42,75, 52,74, 62,73, 72,76, 78,75, 1,74
panlant, 72,75
patriot, 70,74, 34,75, 59,76, 36,77, 49,78, 48,76, 43,77, 45,78
peren, 18,1, 37,1, 55,1, 110,1, 23,1, 120,1, 66,1, 31,1
police, 2,1
pony, 1,1, 23,1, 146,1, 45,1, 61,1, 59,1, 33,1, 14,1
predator, 116,1
rcbandit, 17,0, 28,0, 38,0, 46,0, 41,0, 57,0, 67,0, 64,0, 54,0
reefer, 12,35, 50,32, 40,26, 66,36
rumpo, 30,73, 16,72, 1,75, 18,74, 42,73, 72,72, 57,75, 48,74, 60,72
securica, 4,75
sentinel, 39,75, 51,73, 61,74, 41,75, 11,76, 64,77, 40,76, 10,74
speeder, 1,15, 1,53
stallion, 97,100, 99,100, 101,1, 104,103, 105,106, 107,8, 108,0, 12,12
stinger, 53,73, 143,74, 56,75, 10,76, 60,77, 28,76, 14,75, 67,74            
stretch, 72,72, 1,1, 75,75, 78,78
taxi, 6,6, 6,73, 6,75, 6,76 
toyz, 88,75
trash, 1,75
yakuza, 76,14
yankee, 25,72, 36,73, 48,74, 59,72, 67,73, 34,74, 24,72, 18,73
yardie, 52,75
toyz, 8,75

end

Edited September 9, 2021 by Lips10Sixx
One of the images was wrong

[CynicalMexican]

Now that is some amazing work. Weird to see GTA 3 cars without that trademark gloss though.

[Lips10Sixx]

@CynicalMexican Thanks, I need to redo and tweak it a bit more. 

[Lips10Sixx]

Changed/fixed since previous post.  

 

 

 

# Written by Carcols Editor v1.2 - GTAIII (http://www.gtagaming.com) 
# Updated by Lips10Sixx - 2021 GTAForum
#
# This file contains all the info about the car colours. There are two
# sections, col which contains the colour table and car which contains
# the possible indices into the colour table for each car.
#
# The end column of the col section is the radio chat version of the car colour.
#
# Press START on controller to reload this file while the game is running.
#
#

#
#
#    1-10    service colours
#    11-20    reds
#    21-30    oranges
#    31-40    yellows
#    41-50    greens
#    51-60    blues
#    61-70    purples
#    71-80    greys
#
#    1-10    dark-light
#
#

col
5,5,5            # 0 black            black
245,245,245        # 1 white        white
0,100,140        # 2 YOITZDAFUZZ         blue
255,0,0            # 3 cherry red        red
38,55,57            # 4 midnight blue        dark blue
134,68,110        # 5 temple curtain purple    purple
220,182,16        # 6 HEY!! TAXI!!        yellow
76,117,183        # 7 striking blue        bright blue
189,190,198        # 8 light blue grey        light blue grey
94,112,114        # 9 hoods        light
49,0,0            # 10 red1        dark
90,33,36            # 11 red2        dark
132,4,16            # 12 red3        dark red
99,50,46            # 13 red4        red
181,20,0            # 14 red5        red
138,58,66        # 15 red6        red
100,13,26        # 16 red7        red
139,60,68        # 17 red8        red
158,47,43        # 18 red9        red
163,58,47        # 19 red10        light
210,86,51        # 20 orange1        dark
146,86,53        # 21 orange2        dark
184,124,38        # 22 orange3        dark
211,87,51        # 23 orange4        dark
226,90,89        # 24 orange5        orange
119,42,37        # 25 orange6        orange
225,119,67        # 26 orange7        orange
196,70,54        # 27 orange8        orange
225,120,68        # 28 orange9        orange
195,89,56        # 29 orange10        light
70,72,64            # 30 yellow1        dark
116,119,97        # 31 yellow2        dark
117,119,99        # 32 yellow3        dark
145,138,61        # 33 yellow4        yellow
148,140,102        # 34 yellow5        yellow
255,156,16        # 35 yellow6        yellow
216,165,52        # 36 yellow7        yellow
201,189,125        # 37 yellow8        yellow
201,197,145        # 38 yellow9        yellow
212,200,78        # 39 yellow10        light
26,51,46            # 40 green1        dark
36,47,43            # 41 green2        dark
29,55,63            # 42 green3        dark
60,74,59            # 43 green4        green
45,80,55            # 44 green5        green
82,105,82        # 45 green6        green
45,104,62        # 46 green7        green
124,162,130        # 47 green8        green
76,82,78            # 48 green9        green
86,119,91        # 49 green10        light
16,20,80                     # 50 blue1        dark
72,94,132        # 51 blue2        dark
28,39,69                     # 52 blue3        dark
28,55,111        # 53 blue4        blue
43,72,120        # 54 blue5        blue
71,92,131        # 55 blue6        blue
68,124,146        # 56 blue7        blue
61,103,171        # 57 blue8        blue
75,125,130        # 58 blue9        blue
128,176,183        # 59 blue10        light
61,35,51            # 60 purple1        dark
28,41,72            # 61 purple2/blue        dark
52,57,65            # 62 purple3        dark
64,69,76            # 63 purple4        purple
74,45,43            # 64 purple5        purple
86,62,51            # 65 purple6        purple
65,70,76            # 66 purple7/grey        purple
103,39,49        # 67 purple8        purple
131,90,117        # 68 purple9        purple
134,133,135        # 69 purple10        light
23,23,23            # 70 grey1        dark
46,46,46            # 71 grey2        dark
69,69,69            # 72 grey3        dark
92,92,92            # 73 grey4        silver
115,115,115        # 74 grey5        silver
138,138,138        # 75 grey6        silver
161,161,161        # 76 grey7        silver
184,184,184        # 77 grey8        silver
207,207,207        # 78 grey9        silver
222,223,231        # 79 grey10        light
170,175,170        # 80 light1        light
106,115,107        # 81 light2        light
170,175,170        # 82 light3        light
187,190,181        # 83 light4        light
224,223,214        # 84 light5        light
106,111,112        # 85 light6        light
96,99,95            # 86 light7        light
106,115,107        # 87 light8        light
170,175,170        # 88 light9        light
187,190,181        # 89 light10        light
33,41,43            # 90 dark1        dark
52,56,66            # 91 dark2        dark
65,70,72            # 92 dark3        dark
78,89,96            # 93 dark4        dark
65,69,76            # 94 dark5        dark
214,176,131        # 95 ID_ BeigeTopUnused       light
137,187,222        # 96 ID_ BlueUnused            blue
193,56,1            # 97 STAL_ Red/Orange       red 
212,201,32        # 98 STAL _ Yellow Top        yellow 
174,3,35            # 99 STAL_ Red           red
216,209,145        # 100 STAL_ Beige - Top    light
39,32,74            # 101 STAL/SENT_  Purp       purple 
0,0,0            # 102 UNUSED        dark    
96,52,32            # 103 STAL_ Brown - Top       dark
232,198,66        # 104 STAL_ Yellow          yellow
220,236,0        # 105 STAL_ Yellow II          yellow
55,137,155        # 106 STAL_ Teal Top         light
0,152,198        # 107 STAL_ Blue              blue
201,87,37                        # 108 STAL_ Orange    orange    
255,100,0        # 109 ESP_ Orange        orange
125,220,210        # 110 ESP_ Light           light
201,146,139        # 111 IDA_ Light           red
123,124,207        # 112 IDA_ Purple                 purple
102,98,99        # 113 IDA_ Grey - Top             dark
0,0,0            # 114 Unused        dark
0,0,0            # 115 Unused        dark
42,119,198        # 116 BAN_ Bluestripe    blue            
0,0,0            # 117 Unused                    dark    
0,0,0            # 118 Unused        dark
198,127,123        # 119 LIGHTPINK         light
173,226,134        # 120 LAND/PER/IDA_Green    green
99,98,16            # 121 BOB_ Olive        green
202,132,107        # 122 INF_ Lite Pink    light
219,166,24        # 123 MAN_ Ariant Yellow    yellow
180,21,2            # 124 CHEE_ Red        red
247,165,5        # 125 YO,THE BUS IS HERE!    yellow
0,0,0            # 126 Unused         dark
0,0,0            # 127 Unused        dark
0,0,0            # 128 Unused        dark
145,26,87        # 129 CHEE_Magenta    purple
0,0,0            # 130 Unused        dark
0,0,0            # 131 Unused        dark
0,0,0            # 132 Unused        dark    
0,0,0            # 133 Unused        dark
96,157,88        # 134 COA_ Felly Btm    green
226,183,89        # 135 COA _ Felly Top    yellow
45,108,220        # 136 COA_ Felly Top    blue
109,124,159        # 137 COA_ Felly Btm    blue
60,25,57            # 138 INF_ Purple        purple
89,77,87            # 139 PURRPULL        purple
240,250,200        # 140 Off White        white
93,34,84            # 141 IDA_ German Purp     Purple
27,108,193        # 142 KUR_ German Blue    blue
5,82,26            # 143 STI_ German    green
16,48,0            # 144 IDA_ Green         green
0,0,0            # 145 Unused        dark
255,200,0        # 146 RUMP_ Yellow             yellow
170,140,73        # 147 BOB_ Needs a Tan    yellow    
219,187,133        # 148 LAND_ Beige    light

end
car
ambulan, 1,3
banshee, 28,1, 12,1, 52,1, 0,1, 1,116, 51,1, 47,66, 101,106, unused - 53,1
bellyup, 19,73, 31,74, 45,75, 51,76, 64,77, 73,76, 34,75, 24,74
bfinject, 54,88, 67,79, 13,89, 63,39, 32,1, 51,78, 12,39, 40,38
blista, 24,72, 34,73, 44,74, 54,75, 64,72, 57,73, 48,74, 26,75
bobcat, 55,1, 65,1, 121,1, 147,1, 24,1, 58,1, 67,1, 14,1
borgnine, 12,73
bus, 125,73, 125,75, 125,0, 125,125,  - Alpha School Bus
cabbie, 6,76
cheetah, 50,77, 124,77, 97,77, 39,77, 129,77, 0,77, 131,77, 
coach, 56,75, 75,79, 13,76, 44,27, 67,77, 135,134, 136,137,  21,26, 74,15,  55,52
columb, 0,76
corpse, 83,75
diablos, 97,98
enforcer, 2,1
escape, 0,0
esperant,  109,109, 50,50, 22,22, 110,110, 119,119, 54,54, 1,1, 49,49
fbicar, 0,76
firetruk, 3,1
ghost, 0,2
hoods, 9,73
idaho, 97,1, 111,38, 8,38, 45,95, 57,79, 68,64, 144,21, 141,31,     unused - 120,1, 96,95
infernus, 122,122, 12,74, 42,75, 50,73, 57,74, 138,75, 54,73, 1,1
kuruma, 51,1, 142,1, 45,1, 36,1, 143,1, 14,1, 12,1, 26,1, 65,1
landstal, 11,73, 18,74, 23,75, 120,76, 64,73, 52,74, 56,75, 148,76, 32,76, 41,76
linerun, 13,76, 97,77, 63,78, 42,76, 54,77, 39,78, 11,76, 60,77
mafia, 0,73
manana, 123,1 58,1, 1,1, 22,1, 18,1, 45,1, 13,1,  - Ariant
moonbeam, 12,75, 23,76, 32,77, 43,78, 50,75, 63,76, 53,77, 60,78, 52,75
mrwhoop, 1,3
mrwongs, 17,73, 22,74, 37,75, 46,76, 57,77, 68,76, 32,75, 47,74
mule, 22,77, 32,76, 42,75, 52,74, 62,73, 72,76, 78,75, 1,74
panlant, 72,75
patriot, 70,74, 34,75, 59,76, 36,77, 49,78, 48,76, 43,77, 45,78
peren, 18,1, 37,1, 55,1, 110,1, 23,1, 120,1, 66,1, 31,1
police, 2,1
pony, 1,1, 23,1, 146,1, 45,1, 61,1, 59,1, 33,1, 14,1
predator, 2,1
rcbandit, 17,0, 28,0, 38,0, 46,0, 41,0, 57,0, 67,0, 64,0, 54,0
reefer, 12,35, 50,32, 40,26, 66,36
rumpo, 30,73, 16,72, 1,75, 18,74, 42,73, 72,72, 57,75, 48,74, 60,72
securica, 4,75
sentinel, 39,75, 51,73, 61,74, 41,75, 11,76, 64,77, 40,76, 10,74
speeder, 1,15, 1,53
stallion, 97,100, 99,100, 101,1, 104,103, 105,106, 107,8, 108,0, 12,12
stinger, 53,73, 143,74, 56,75, 10,76, 60,77, 28,76, 14,75, 67,74            
stretch, 72,72, 1,1, 75,75, 78,78
taxi, 6,6, 6,73, 6,75, 6,76 
toyz, 88,75
trash, 1,75
yakuza, 1,14
yankee, 25,72, 36,73, 48,74, 59,72, 67,73, 34,74, 24,72, 18,73
yardie, 52,75
toyz, 8,75

end

[Jinx.]

I really think you should make a thread in the Mod Showroom for this, as it's a mod and not a discovery. Also for the love of god use spoilers

[Lips10Sixx]

15 hours ago, Jinx. said:

I really think you should make a thread in the Mod Showroom for this, as it's a mod and not a discovery. Also for the love of god use spoilers

@Jinx. My bad dude! Thank you!

[Jinx.]

This post isn't a BETA post, but rather a "fact check" type of post. It is about Filip's "original" BETA files. With all the information revealed in the last few years, it's safe to say they are FAKE in a more complete manner. MattJ did already talk about the files being fake, but there are some other points that can be addressed.

 

So MattJ has shown the story behind the supossed "build" and says that the handling is basically 1:1 with the PS2 version. To add more to this, we have the actual vehicles with their internal names that were used in late 2000 until somewhere in 2001, and they have different names to what Filip has in his file. The file that contains these is vehicles.dff from the mobile port, which weights like 8.5 MBs. If it's as he claims that they are from 1999, why doesn't it have these names? Why does it have cars that weren't present at the time, like Rumpo, Yankee, all gang cars? Unless he modified them, but at this point why does it say that it was last modified on 10th December 1999, which is the exact same date the file was created according to the original handling file?

 

As for his SFX, it doesn't even have the PS2 layout where there are 7 SET folders with several sfx archives inside. His one is just the PC/Mobile one, where the game only uses one archive. Thanks to an earlier version of this wonderful tool, I was able to extract the files with their actual names (which were left inside the mobile port). Ofcourse this specific SFX archive exported nicely with the namings, because it isn't even for the PS2, their main development system at the time. There is no "Alright drop the weapon" line that the cops said in a bunch of clips, instead being the final line "Alright drop down". There is no "I designed the PS2" line that was used only in the 1.40 PAL version, instead it is "Stripe summeeer" used twice. The only stuff I could find (which is also mentioned on his video description) are 2 panic lines, which are taken from GTA 2, later saying in a trailer video that it's unconfirmed whether they were used or not, despite his files having one of the lines. But yet again, at this point why not just reveal they are fake?

 

Why am I saying that? Because his video says these files are "supossedly" real, and the drive link was last updated 1.5 years ago. His timecyc video doesn't even link the timecyc anymore, but you can still find it on his forum threads. The last modified date says 16th September 2000, which is clearly bullsh*t because we know those cartoony game pics are made from 16th October 2000 onwards until sometime early 2001. For someone that was monkeying on "posting only new stuff", he surely posted worse stuff, and in some cases even managed to not see the "new" content he desired (he has a scan of the magazine with that Staunton render I posted a while ago, ofcourse he didn't post about it otherwise it'd be a decade old info).

 

In conclusion, his stuff is fake and you should consider it a mod specific of its time.

 

 

 

 

 

In other news, GTA Series Videos will make a new BETA Hot Topic video, this time about GTA 3. Pretty exciting!

 

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Jinx.

[zanesix]

6 hours ago, Jinx. said:

In other news, GTA Series Videos will make a new BETA Hot Topic video, this time about GTA 3. Pretty exciting!

Maybe they'll finally go over that GTA 3 design document they supposedly bought f*cking ages ago at this point?

[Jago]

I added a section on TCRF showing all the leftover vehicles neatly compared to their final counterparts:

 

https://tcrf.net/Grand_Theft_Auto_III/Vehicles

 

Edit: Someone else reshuffled things a bit, you can find it here now: https://tcrf.net/Grand_Theft_Auto_III/Unused_Models#Early_Vehicle_Models

Edited September 18, 2021 by Jago

[Jinx.]

14 minutes ago, Jago said:

I added a section on TCRF showing all the leftover vehicles neatly compared to their final counterparts:

 

https://tcrf.net/Grand_Theft_Auto_III/Vehicles

 

Welcome back

[5d0]

1 hour ago, Jago said:

I added a section on TCRF showing all the leftover vehicles neatly compared to their final counterparts:

 

https://tcrf.net/Grand_Theft_Auto_III/Vehicles

It's nice to see you back 

[Jago]

4 hours ago, 5d0 said:

It's nice to see you back 

Heh, I can never stay away for too long it seems. Documenting everything there is to know about this game is a mighty and never-ending quest.

[H-G]

I've noticed the Sanny Builder opcode database says there's a deprecated opcode in III called "SET_PLAYER_HOOKER" (0x043E), which (as the description says) would set a specified mission actor to behave like any random ped with the prostitute pedtype to the player, effectively allowing Claude to... do stuff with that ped.

 

Looking through my old finds from the leaked SCM source on the mobile port, there are these two unused variables in the source code for "The Exchange" mission:

VAR_INT shaggin_waggin maria_prossie

 

AFAIK "shagging" is a slang term for two people... doing stuff inconspicuously, and since using the prostitute pedtype directly on a mission actor doesn't work at all, the opcode 043E would've come into play with the "maria_prossie" actor specified in it's parameters.

 

So what was the plan here? Delete the actual Maria, put Claude in some car, "recreate" Maria as a prostitute, use the now-dud opcode on her to "whore"-ify her and then teleport her into Claude's car for... "shaggin_waggin" during the credits? Maybe that was where Maria was originally meant to give a really long and annoying speech before Claude would eventually shut her up permanently with a gun? It kinda makes slight sense in the sense that listening to the news report on the radio in a car fits the game's ending cutscene more.

 

By the way, the unused subtitles for the longer, scrapped parts of Maria's speech during the credits imply that she would talk about her sister and her two kids coming to stay because of her sister's husband while... doing stuff with Claude.

Edited September 18, 2021 by H-G

[Jago]

https://tcrf.net/Grand_Theft_Auto_III/Pedestrians_and_Characters

 

Peds are covered now!

[lol232]

I don't understand why people still gotta wrote beta in all uppercase lmao

 

Anyway, everything GTASeriesVideos uploaded is almost something we've already know since forever, Vadim M is way better at covering that stuff.

[Jinx.]

1 hour ago, lol232 said:

Anyway, everything GTASeriesVideos uploaded is almost something we've already know since forever, Vadim M is way better at covering that stuff.

There is new stuff in this one.

Edited September 21, 2021 by Jinx.

[Neon-Noir 198X]

On 9/18/2021 at 12:15 AM, zanesix said:

Maybe they'll finally go over that GTA 3 design document they supposedly bought f*cking ages ago at this point?

 

To be honest, it really rubbed me the wrong way that they kept it to themselves and didn't immediately scan it and release it.

 

In my opinion, information like that needs to be shared so we can all peruse through it, not kept among a select few.

Edited September 22, 2021 by Komosexual

[universetwisters]

17 hours ago, Komosexual said:

 

To be honest, it really rubbed me the wrong way that they kept it to themselves and didn't immediately scan it and release it.

 

In my opinion, information like that needs to be shared so we can all peruse through it, not kept among a select few.

 

Despite the posterity of freely available information, I understand the mindset of keeping something like that for yourself, because yknow the mystery and intrigue of it keeps the value of it up if you wanna use it as an asset instead of a book. What annoys me is the attitude they had about it, something to the effect of openly admitting to having won the ebay auction and getting pissy when people asked about it. Like bruh either share it or don't even mention you bought it in the first place lol

[Neon-Noir 198X]

2 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

Despite the posterity of freely available information, I understand the mindset of keeping something like that for yourself, because yknow the mystery and intrigue of it keeps the value of it up if you wanna use it as an asset instead of a book. What annoys me is the attitude they had about it, something to the effect of openly admitting to having won the ebay auction and getting pissy when people asked about it. Like bruh either share it or don't even mention you bought it in the first place lol

 

Makes you wonder what their intention for it even was. Are they just gatekeeping for the sake of gatekeeping, or do they truly intend on releasing it? (albeit, likely to capitalise off of it) Either way, it's suspect and goes against what the community wanted.

 

It's quite literally the holy grail of GTA III beta information, yet it's being held captive by supposed community figureheads who seem to care more about their pride than the actual community. sh*tty all around.

 

/rant

 

 

[Legomanarthur]

The video is not out yet but we might finally have an in-depth look at the document.

 

 

[zanesix]

About time lol, hopefully they'll post a PDF or something with how long this took

[LeakyLine]

TONI FUCILE HAHAHA

Edited October 8, 2021 by LeakyLine

[zanesix]

Just finished watching it and I gotta say that video was kind of a slog towards the end, I feel like it would have been better if they just released the document and had a quicker summary about it, but gotta keep those engagement numbers up I guess. Still good information though.

Edited October 8, 2021 by zanesix

[Jinx.]

Small things to note:

-Toshiro's Skyscrapper is actually Love's building. Even internally you can still find out that it's named after Toshiro.

-Swat the SWAT wasn't a removed mission but rather it was Decoy, also given by Love in final.

-Love's missions, outside Waka-Gashira Wipeout, were all planned all along.

-Ray's missions match 1:1 to the descriptions from the mission sources from mobile, though they give out more details in the doc.

-Low Rider Race and Gangcar Roundup are also the same.

-Kenji still has a GXT line for being busy, named KENSGO, which matches perfectly with the newest info, as the Suburban island was unlocked during one of Toshiro's missions.

-That Tag mode was in GTA 2. In fact, I belive those modes were all from GTA 2.

-It's said that Toni looks like Pesci for his second artwork. His ingame model and render makes him look a lot like Big Pussy from The Sopranos.
-The Corporate H.Q. building that was mentioned in the video is definitely the AMCO building that can be seen in final. It even has a car park. They probably just didn't know what corporation to use.

 

I'll edit this post if I find more stuff to point out.

Edited October 9, 2021 by Jinx.

[Guest]

It's quite interesting how this guy, Major Hale, got a complete artwork while Toshiro never got one

Plus, he was barely even mentioned in the document

[Jinx.]

Speaking of Hale, in some renders you can actually see Phil with 2 arms. Maybe they used this design for Hale at one point before remaking the artwork?

 

 

His artwork does look different in terms of style, too. Phil seems more... pointy.

 

[Guest]

It kinda has the same style as Donald's and Toni's artworks