Grand Theft Auto III Pre-Release Discussion

[Sam Lake 12,405]

And how clean they are! No strikethroughs

[Inadequate 3,611]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that the original sticky notes from 14 years ago are still in good condition? Either they're replications (an awfully odd thing to replicate) or something's fishy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And how clean they are! No strikethroughs.

 

Haha well guys (UT and Tomasak), I thought the same thing at the morning but I forgot post it, lol.

[Gamerjman19 1,027]

Isn't there a covering over the board?

[universetwisters 32,498]

Isn't there a covering over the board?

But that's just for the display. I find it hard to believe that they've been covered since the production of III.

[R4gN0r0K 1,631]

what if the devs just rewrote the stickies? ill doubt that they will fake "dev stickies" just to fool modmakers at gtagarage... except Melted did work for R* and told them to

Edited August 28, 2015 by R4gN0r0K

[WorthlessYouth 203]

 

Isn't there a covering over the board?

But that's just for the display. I find it hard to believe that they've been covered since the production of III.

 

 

With any kind of art that is part of a large touring exhibition such as this (or even just standard stationary exhibitions at any local museum), there are protocols and procedures in place to ensure that the pieces stay as close to their original condition as possible. This board, and every other item on display at the exhibition is a piece of art, much like any historical painting you would see at any museum, so they are treated as such.

 

I'm sure it receives adequate maintenance when needed. We wouldn't have preserved all the many paintings and art pieces from the past if we didn't have successful methods of preservation!

[R4gN0r0K 1,631]

yeah, but do you think that R* was like "you know what? we keep these sticky notes in case we become super famous and then we make an art gallery with them!"

[Jerome 1,896]

I ain't too sure as to why are the notes so clean and all, but I think that maybe after the development they kept these notes in the archives in case they would have to fix something or re-work an element in the game, and when the Game-On show organizers contacted Rockstar they gave the game's development notes to the expo.

[Queen Elizabeth II 3,219]

If I made a game that could possibly be the world's most famous title ever, I would take care of everything that was involved in this project

[Jacek_K 343]

Those sticky notes are re-written, I've showed you even examples with old pictures from exhibition. Seems like nobody cared to see this

Edited August 29, 2015 by Jacek_K

[universetwisters 32,498]

Those sticky notes are re-written, I've showed you even examples with old pictures from exhibition. Seems like nobody cared to see this

 

And even if they are rewritten, who would remember a mission that possibly never made it into the game from 14 years ago? I dunno, but stuff just smells like it was made up just for the exhibit.

[Queen Elizabeth II 3,219]

Maybe they still have beta version in R* HQ, but it is guarded by a centaur.

[puredorian 249]

 

 

I always wondered about blue radar here, did they built it upon old pre-release assets? If so, then why dont build it upon release assets? Doesnt make sense to me.

Edited August 29, 2015 by puredorian

[M0rk 4,878]

The blue radar is also in the controls menu

[Inadequate 3,611]

what if the devs just rewrote the stickies? ill doubt that they will fake "dev stickies" just to fool modmakers at gtagarage... except Melted did work for R* and told them to

 

I loled with this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always wondered about blue radar here, did they built it upon old pre-release assets? If so, then why dont build it upon release assets? Doesnt make sense to me.

 

Probably a pre-release build or a placeholder for the yellow radar?

[universetwisters 32,498]

Why would they need a placeholder for something they already had?

[Sam Lake 12,405]

It's R*. Don't ask. They just f*cked it up

[Inadequate 3,611]

Why would they need a placeholder for something they already had?

 

R* Games > R* North > War Drum Studios > All together f*cking up the port mobile versions.

[Intergold 34]

Why would they need a placeholder for something they already had?

That's a mystery. Maybe War Drum was experimenting with radar colors? Or they thought about reverting to blue radar? Either way, it seems like War Drum eventually settled on the final dark yellow radar in order to make the mobile port faithful to the original PS2/PC version.

 

Speaking of mobile version, I don't think that this stuff isn't just about simple radar change. If it was, then why the mobile ports would include some of the cut multiplayer maps and early source code(on iOS version)?

 

 

Edited August 29, 2015 by Intergold

[Sergiu 4,982]

Hey-hey-hey!

I found something that would certainly be in the favor of the theory that the original build of the mobile version was based on a pre-release build of III.

Beta Triads

 

Mobile preview.
Full body.
Full body from distance. You can clearly see that it's the beta Triad thanks to the oddly large torso and slim hands.
Closer look at the smaller cop-like feet as well as his back (pay close attention to the back of his head).
Long shoes.

Tattooed arm.
References (ALPHA/BETA)

Final

Beta Worker2

 

Mobile preview.

References (BETA)

Final

Note: This model is still the same as the beta one on mobile. The difference being nothing major - the headphones. I guess that's why.

And a nice little blue radar to add to it.

Edited August 30, 2015 by Sergiu

[Gamerjman19 1,027]

So should we start looking through the mobile files for possible alpha/beta content?

[R4gN0r0K 1,631]

yep, and I would suggest looking through the Xbox files aswell, since i found the debug scm in Vice City's xbox files

[Intergold 34]

So should we start looking through the mobile files for possible alpha/beta content?

Definitely yes. Leaked SC files are a good starting point, since they contain scrapped/changed objectives(like those 2 extra cars that were planned to stolen in the "Grand Theft Auto" mission). Here are the two of those SC codes for your viewing pleasure:

 

http://gtamodding.ru/wiki/Luigi- especially the first mission

http://gtamodding.ru/wiki/Demo

[Inadequate 3,611]

Hmm, nice find Sergiu. Then War Drum Studios was using a pre-release build too?

[Queen Elizabeth II 3,219]

Well, Silent Hill HD Collection was made with unfinished(!!!) beta version, so that's nothing strange.

[R4gN0r0K 1,631]

probably a longshot, but maybe there are some files in other games like the Warriors?

[Gamerjman19 1,027]

probably a longshot, but maybe there are some files in other games like the Warriors?

SOBB found the police/taxi textures in Manhunt so yeah. Has anyone checked Midnight Club?

[RM76 1,931]

 

probably a longshot, but maybe there are some files in other games like the Warriors?

SOBB found the police/taxi textures in Manhunt so yeah. Has anyone checked Midnight Club?

 

The first MC does have a beta GTA 3 artstyle, but I doubt any of the textures originate from an early build of 3.

Trust me, i've put hours and hours into that game and extracted/messed with the assets from it numerous times.

[Gamerjman19 1,027]

 

 

probably a longshot, but maybe there are some files in other games like the Warriors?

SOBB found the police/taxi textures in Manhunt so yeah. Has anyone checked Midnight Club?

 

The first MC does have a beta GTA 3 artstyle, but I doubt any of the textures originate from an early build of 3.

Trust me, i've put hours and hours into that game and extracted/messed with the assets from it numerous times.

 

I know the beta MC used alpha textures.

[RM76 1,931]

Basically every one of those textures is used in the final except for the yellow signs, those are white in the final. The game just uses a similar art style, nothing more.

Edited August 31, 2015 by RM76