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Grand Theft Auto III Pre-Release Discussion

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Helegad

Well, for one, they didn't do HQ renders of hookers.

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Gamerjman19

As I remember Sergiu putting it, they wouldn't put so much detail and emphasis on a character that wasn't important.

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DMThePro123

Unfinished TOYZ van seen in one of the GTAIII BradyGames guide beta screenshots appeared in one of the GTAIII beta gameplays by R*:

 

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Video:

 

 

Edited by DMThePro123

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Helegad

I'm no expert on models and textures, but I recall discussion about body64 textures that gives cars their gritty, as opposed to matte/cartoony, look were not implemented and/or activated in the PS2 beta which is why it all looks so cheery. The Toyz logo was probably one of these textures.

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Mr.Kurowski

body64 destroys the car's looks in my opinion.

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Gamerjman19

body64 destroys the car's looks in my opinion.

yeah, some of them are way too extreme

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spaceeinstein

There is an unused feature called a taxi timer. You can enable it through the script with this line:

 

029A: 1
When enabled, driving a Taxi, Cabbie, or Borgnine with a passenger will give you $1 every game minute. What do you think its use was?

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universetwisters

Reminds me of Simpsons Road Rage, where you would be getting money each second a passenger was in your car whether or not it was going anywhere.

But I'm guessing it's supposed to be a sorta-realistic remake of a fare meter, but based on time rather than distance.

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thehambone

I agree with universetwisters, seems like it may have been used to simulate some sort of continuous fare meter.

Edited by thehambone

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Voit Turyv

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Same as it was in GTA 2.

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RM76

 

body64 destroys the car's looks in my opinion.

yeah, some of them are way too extreme

 

Not to mention poorly UV mapped. Take a look at the Infernus and Bobcat.

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Mr.Kurowski

Yeah the bodymaps are annoying, i can't stand them at all.

Like somebody said, it makes the cars look older (in years) and it's not just that awesome.

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TheRouke

I can't find any screens of Beta Toni and Catalina...

  • "Toni Cipriani originally wore a brown sweater.
  • Catalina originally wore a skirt and leggings."

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Dwaine013

 

I can't find any screens of Beta Toni and Catalina...

  • "Toni Cipriani originally wore a brown sweater.
  • Catalina originally wore a skirt and leggings."

 

There are Pictures about Beta/Alpha Toni

2n36zm.jpg

 

 

About Catalina,There is No LEGIT Info & screeny,or proof about how Caty looked in the Alpha/early beta stages

But on the Late Beta,She had the PC/Orginal Hair instead of the PS2 Varriant,and her top was white instead of black

Source:

at 0:04 Edited by Dwaine013

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crashoverride93

The brown shirt makes him look more mafioso then the purple one in my opinion.

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universetwisters

Check out the Game Radio & Lips 106 logos on the bottom left corner - beta enough for ya?

 

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spaceeinstein

Here's another obscure unused behavior. When the lift bridge alarm is active, normally its warning lights turn on for 0.54 seconds and off for 0.48 seconds, repeating this pattern every 1.02 seconds. If the unused behavior is used instead, the lights turn on for 0.06 seconds and off for 0.48 seconds, repeating this pattern every 0.54 seconds. You can try this out by opening generic.ide and changing

 

1132, -88.6228, -23.0711, -19.5836, 229, 0, 11, 200, 0, "coronastar", "shad_exp", 100, 18, 1, 8, 40, 13, 0, 0, 0
to

 

1132, -88.6228, -23.0711, -19.5836, 229, 0, 11, 200, 0, "coronastar", "shad_exp", 100, 18, 1, 8, 40, 14, 0, 0, 0
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_Rob_

Here's another obscure unused behavior. When the lift bridge alarm is active, normally its warning lights turn on for 0.54 seconds and off for 0.48 seconds, repeating this pattern every 1.02 seconds. If the unused behavior is used instead, the lights turn on for 0.06 seconds and off for 0.48 seconds, repeating this pattern every 0.54 seconds. You can try this out by opening generic.ide and changing

 

How odd, does this mean at some time this would have be a scripted change similar to the model swap of the Callahan Bridge?

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Helegad

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Same as it was in GTA 2.

 

They clearly ditched it in favour of fleshing out the Taxi Driver side mission instead.

 

goon.png

 

Looks like the bank job goon was Mafia instead of Cartel at some stage.

Edited by Helegad

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Gamerjman19

 

I can't find any screens of Beta Toni and Catalina...

  • "Toni Cipriani originally wore a brown sweater.
  • Catalina originally wore a skirt and leggings."

 

Here's another one

JzHCn1A.jpg

Edited by Gamerjman19

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Jinx.

 

^

Same as it was in GTA 2.

 

They clearly ditched it in favour of fleshing out the Taxi Driver side mission instead.

 

goon.png

 

Looks like the bank job goon was Mafia instead of Cartel at some stage.

 

Notice that Catalina has her PC/Mobile head aswell :)

Also white shirt.

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tetleyTA

Hello guys, I need some help or tips with certain thing that was meant to be in game.

 

In Vadim M's video in that specific moment you see he did implement camera pickup objects in game, prolly using strings from pickups.sc

 

My question is - how do i implement this in pc/ps2 main.scm version? Do i need to define_object camera ? I'd be more than happy if I received any help. :)

 

Thanks!

 

 

EDIT: Do you know any programme that allows you to view objects? Just like Vadim M shows camerapickup icon in his clip? Some sort of GGMM lookalike, but in GGMM you can't view objects. I use dffviewer but it doesn't have an option which allows specific object to rotate and also (what's weird) it shows object similiar to GTA SA snapshot, rather than GTAIII pickup (which has blue circle).

Edited by tetleyTA

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Helegad

This isn't a modding topic. Not the place to ask.

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Jinx.

vehicles.dff from the mobile port of GTA 3 (models/generic) is basically the BETA Cabbie. It doesn't have a steering wheel and it also has _lo versions of the models inside it, much like the Buggy.

 

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unknown.png

 

It uses the following textures:

 

170619_j2Y.png

 

The engine can be found in joeys.txd and carundera64 can be found in many cars. cabbie256, however, is missing, along crackedglass128 and scratch128 (which I belive they are used by other cars but under different names). Actually, renaming the original cabbie8bit128 texture to cabbie256 will display the textures correctly... somewhat.

 

Note that it won't work by simply renaming the car from "vehicles.dff" from "cabbie.dff". You have to either reexport the car in 3ds max or use The Hero's convdff.exe. Now here are the results ingame:

 

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(hud by xinerki)

 

As you can see, the rear lights are wrongly mapped and it doesn't have bodymaps, but otherwise the car looks identical to the final version. However, the reflections and windows are a mess. Probably because of the conversion to mobile format.

 

This makes me think R* actually has a BETA build somewhere in their database. Much like the BETA Triads were once featured in the very same mobile version before.

 

 

 

EDIT: If anybody wants to look at this car ingame, I'll just leave this link. I remade cabbie256 by using a combination between leftover textures, Manhunt textures and XBOX GTA 3 textures and original cabbie8bit128. Apparently resizing the texture to 256x256 also fixed the chessboard lines on the rear doors aswell. Model was untouched, other than converting it to PC.

 

https://mega.nz/#!a45zHDjD!4oGYN7twEBtxHk3vkej9nIINgImai8SULYtoS53MXic

 

 

 

EDIT 2: A couple more details to add about the car:

-The window near the boot is damageable (wing_lb in hierarchy)

-Has no exhaust and no dummy exhaust

-It's actually smaller than the stock Cabbie. That's why Claude's head sometimes sticks out of the rooftop

Edited by Jinx.

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Sergiu

From my expertise in remaking cars I'd say that the model is very old. No exhaust dummy like on all cartoony alpha cars and a lower roof. All vehicles had lower roofs during those days.

 

Good find. Adds more besides beta Triads, beta docker in a gameplay trailer for mobile III and the blue radar. Legit.

Edited by Sergiu

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Jinx.

From my expertise in remaking cars I'd say that the model is very old. No exhaust dummy like on all cartoony alpha cars and a lower roof. All vehicles had lower roofs during those days.

 

Good find. Adds more besides beta Triads, beta docker in a gameplay trailer for mobile III and the blue radar. Legit.

Actually, the car itself is smaller than the final Cabbie. Also I'm not sure but since this one also has damageable rear windows, I wonder if the other cars had this too...

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Silent

How does the _lo model look?

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Jinx.

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Selected one is _lo. The other one is _hi. Pretty much every _lo are copy-pastes of the _hi model.

Edited by Jinx.

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Sergiu

So I spoke to Mr. Jago about it and he managed to check the file formats.

 

Our guesses were right, this file is the same format/RW version as peds.dff which holds head models of pedestrians from 2000. Car must be from mid to late 2000.

 

...sweet Jesus.

 

It also has some more details you missed:

-texture mapped window frames

-slightly smaller rear window

-material specular is higher, 1.0 instead of 0.7

 

Comparison by Jago.

Edited by Sergiu

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Jinx.

Didn't notice these ones, but I indeed noticed the specular values. Which is pretty odd, as every material has that value, yet Buggy didn't. Also considering that it can be dated as back as 2000, and by looking at the BETA pics, I have a feeling this is part of War Drum's tests while porting the game to Mobile (hence the 8MB size when untouched but more than 400KB when converted).

Edited by Jinx.

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