Beta Vice City

[Macfly_PL]

I know i saying only about one screen made from gameplay

[Piggsy Leone]

On 2/12/2025 at 2:15 PM, _BlackShadow said:

If JD has these Early Beta builds i'll buy it... Contact me. Pics from IGN Review

 

Are you willing to give John Doe 10,000 bucks for this? 0_0

[_BlackShadow]

3 hours ago, Piggsy Leone said:

Are you willing to give John Doe 10,000 bucks for this? 0_0

Chump change.

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

58 minutes ago, _BlackShadow said:

Chump change.

Lets hope a real hero takes one for the gta alpha/beta hunting community that we will sometime, hopefully soon get one

[super_slav]

14 hours ago, Sheikh-Nightshader said:

This one is not too early

Was the stadium added that late? October 1 and still no stadium?

[Piggsy Leone]

Sheikh-Nightshader What is this and where you found it ? ? ? I've never seen that before...

Edited February 16 by Piggsy Leone

[cant remember]

imo we should avoid posting pics of fan made mods that just look like beta content, it gets very confusing.

As an example all the screenshots with Tommy's blue shirt, afaik nobody has the actual source texture, it's a fanmade thing made to look like the beta footage.

[Piggsy Leone]

8 minutes ago, cant remember said:

imo we should avoid posting pics of fan made mods that just look like beta content, it gets very confusing.

As an example all the screenshots with Tommy's blue shirt, afaik nobody has the actual source texture, it's a fanmade thing made to look like the beta footage.

These beta Tommy textures are probably contained in the release game files

[super_slav]

30 minutes ago, Sheikh-Nightshader said:

The believed alpha map i think that leaf links areas was going to be everglades.

Unlikely, the everglades were probably going to be in the south of the map.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, cant remember said:

imo we should avoid posting pics of fan made mods that just look like beta content, it gets very confusing.

As an example all the screenshots with Tommy's blue shirt, afaik nobody has the actual source texture, it's a fanmade thing made to look like the beta footage.

Tommy's blue shirt from the promo materials actually exists in the files of the PS2 version. I opened up the v1.40 NTSC release and it was there, not sure about the later PS2 copies though.

[Piggsy Leone]

20 minutes ago, Calm said:

Tommy's blue shirt from the promo materials actually exists in the files of the PS2 version. I opened up the v1.40 NTSC release and it was there, not sure about the later PS2 copies though.

A jeans?

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

1 hour ago, Piggsy Leone said:

Sheikh-Nightshader What is this and where you found it ? ? ? I've never seen that before...

In a texture dump in Gta vcs. I know a beta map of vice was found in san andreas in trash can. So rockstar probably put this in vcs as a suprise. 

[Piggsy Leone]

16 minutes ago, Sheikh-Nightshader said:

In a texture dump in Gta vcs. I know a beta map of vice was found in san andreas in trash can. So rockstar probably put this in vcs as a suprise. 

And it's really Vice City Alpha Version Map Render??? 0_0 I cannot see the old airport with a long landing line

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Piggsy Leone said:

A jeans?

Literally the whole beta skin is there (in the PS2 v1.40 NTSC release), except the model is missing so you'll have to use it with the final Tommy model.

Edited February 16 by Calm

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

52 minutes ago, Piggsy Leone said:

And it's really Vice City Alpha Version Map Render??? 0_0 I cannot see the old airport with a long landing line

No i was saying i believe this to be the alpha map. The beta map shows what your saying. It looks like an extremely early render of vice city. 

[Rangerv1]

4 hours ago, Piggsy Leone said:

Sheikh-Nightshader What is this and where you found it ? ? ? I've never seen that before...

Must’ve been the swamps and rivers that was mentioned in a interview

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Piggsy Leone said:

Sheikh-Nightshader What is this and where you found it ? ? ? I've never seen that before...

This is not a map, this is a texture sheet for the Vice Beach megaLOD object that appears when you look towards the said island from the Mainland.

 

All this talk of Gator Keys... Everglades... it was all just an idea on the paper for a very short while (unfortunately), it never got to be anything more than that due to the lightning-fast development this game saw.

Edited February 16 by Calm

[Piggsy Leone]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

This is not a map, this is a texture sheet for the Vice Beach megaLOD object that appears when you look towards the said island from the Mainland.

 

All this talk of Gator Keys... Everglades... it was all just an idea on the paper for a very short while (unfortunately), it never got to be anything more than that due to the lightning-fast development this game saw.

Aaron Garbut once upon time said that they was started modeling Gator Keys. And we have full-fledged unused phone call from Avery Carrington in release game files (american.gxt) than he says to Tommy to protect some guy going to Gator Keys. So it's really not only on the paper. . .

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Piggsy Leone said:

Aaron Garbut once upon time said that they was started modeling Gator Keys. And we have full-fledged unused phone call from Avery Carrington in release game files (american.gxt) than he says to Tommy to protect some guy going to Gator Keys. So it's really not only on the paper. . .

But that phone call doesn't have any recorded dialogue, just subtitles. They might have started designing the Gator Keys, but I don't think they worked on it long enough to leave behind any solid evidence in the files.

 

Still though, it's worth noting how the eastern-most boundary of the map is so close to the beach, while there's a huge gap between the airport and the western-most boundary - That's quite a free space for a few swampy islands to fit in.

Edited February 16 by Calm

[Piggsy Leone]

4 minutes ago, Calm said:

But that phone call doesn't have any recorded dialogue, just subtitles. They might have started designing the Gator Keys, but I don't think they worked on it long enough to leave behind any solid evidence in the files.

 

Still though, it's worth noting how the eastern-most boundary of the map is so close to the beach, while there's a huge gap between the airport and the western-most boundary - That's quite a free space for a few swampy islands to fit in.

It's Rockstar. They often cut ready-made stuff. . . . It's like it's just for fun. . . To make beta-hunters cry       

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

The M16 was said to have a broken texture nope not here. Replaced M4 with it

[kyloz]

On 3/29/2016 at 3:19 PM, B_Smiles said:

Found some unused objects within the IMG file. Not sure if they're beta though.

Note: These objects are complete and have collision (except Miamibin which is non-solid as has a texture missing)

 

 

lf_banner

Wonder what this was used for? The deaddodo?

http://s22.postimg.org/danw5ia3l/image.jpg

 

 

When you search through the gta3.img archive for "banner", there is a .txd file called "lof_banner" which is a banner for Love Fist. I assume this appears somewhere in the downtown area. I imagine that .dff file is what the texture attaches to.

 

Though I would love to know what .dff file the actual dodo banner is for Vice City and where it is. It doesn't appear to have "banner" in its name, I've done some intense searching. If anyone knows please let me know.

Edited February 22 by kyloz

[whatsyourgta]

On 2/16/2025 at 12:04 PM, Calm said:

But that phone call doesn't have any recorded dialogue, just subtitles. They might have started designing the Gator Keys, but I don't think they worked on it long enough to leave behind any solid evidence in the files.

 

Still though, it's worth noting how the eastern-most boundary of the map is so close to the beach, while there's a huge gap between the airport and the western-most boundary - That's quite a free space for a few swampy islands to fit in.

 

I think it's also worth noting that the southern-most boundary of the map is so close to the boatyard/airport area. There isn't any room for any gator keys down there.

 

It's almost more believable that the gator keys/swamp/whatever would have been more north around where they put the stadium, as the stadium was a very late addition.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, whatsyourgta said:

 

I think it's also worth noting that the southern-most boundary of the map is so close to the boatyard/airport area. There isn't any room for any gator keys down there.

 

It's almost more believable that the gator keys/swamp/whatever would have been more north around where they put the stadium, as the stadium was a very late addition.

I was specifically talking about the huge space between the military base and the western-most boundary of the map, lots of space to throw in an island or two there.

Edited February 23 by Calm

[the name dont matter]

That beta map found in vcs texture dump, is actually used in vice city itself. Go to the ghost world through the Versetti estate (here's how to do so alongside other cool stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukaYXb6TAto by grand theft mysteries) then go to the towers next to the construction site and you will find that their roofs use the map as a texture and it's a lot clearer. I could have put a screenshot of it here, but for some reason, the website doesn't accept any URLs I put, so hopefully you can find it in the game yourselves and share it with everyone.

 

Anyways, thanks for reading

 

Edited February 25 by the name dont matter

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

4 hours ago, the name dont matter said:

That beta map found in vcs texture dump, is actually used in vice city itself. Go to the ghost world through the Versetti estate (here's how to do so alongside other cool stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukaYXb6TAto by grand theft mysteries) then go to the towers next to the construction site and you will find that their roofs use the map as a texture and it's a lot clearer. I could have put a screenshot of it here, but for some reason, the website doesn't accept any URLs I put, so hopefully you can find it in the game yourselves and share it with everyone.

 

Anyways, thanks for reading

 

Thanks ya i dumped it months ago and saw it and wondered maybe an alpha map. Leaf links on other side and all like everglades possible i thought. Personally i dont think everglades or gator keys were ever in the actual game based on my lod map exploring. I did see alittle black spots out in distance where something could of been and removed later. Near stadium flying cam hack while on beach side for lod experiance. But no evidence it was there

[Guest]

15 hours ago, Sheikh-Nightshader said:

Thanks ya i dumped it months ago and saw it and wondered maybe an alpha map. Leaf links on other side and all like everglades possible i thought. Personally i dont think everglades or gator keys were ever in the actual game based on my lod map exploring. I did see alittle black spots out in distance where something could of been and removed later. Near stadium flying cam hack while on beach side for lod experiance. But no evidence it was there

Those "black spots" are actually fake distant ships and boats rendered as flat 2D sprites on the horizon. They're a lot noticeable around the northern edges of the Downtown area.

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Those "black spots" are actually fake distant ships and boats rendered as flat 2D sprites on the horizon. They're a lot noticeable around the northern edges of the Downtown area.

I know about those l, they are obvious. i was talking about something else. These spots are what looks to be areas of map when you fly high above vice city and it turns dark but out beyond stadium

[kyloz]

On 2/26/2025 at 9:11 PM, Sheikh-Nightshader said:

I know about those l, they are obvious. i was talking about something else. These spots are what looks to be areas of map when you fly high above vice city and it turns dark but out beyond stadium

 

Do you know anything about there being an alligator model for the game? If there were going to be swamps and "Gator Keys" then there may be an actual alligator model perhaps?

[Sheikh-Nightshader]

2 hours ago, kyloz said:

 

Do you know anything about there being an alligator model for the game? If there were going to be swamps and "Gator Keys" then there may be an actual alligator model perhaps?

I been through these files a million times. all i see of gator keys is in the text gxt file when avery asks tommy to go there. Models no. One texture named everglades yes. The only alligator reference is actually crocs in the biker bar