Beta Vice City

[cant remember]

Everyone probably noticed but in the intro the beta has a shot of some apartments instead of Tommy on a motorcycle

 

The cop car seems to be something in between the green/white cop car and the all white cop car? Or the new cop car with old colors applied or something? Its doors are grey.

 

Maybe I just don't remember it but Tommy seems to say some voice lines when he has a wanted level that I don't remember being there before.

[robbier2713]

2 hours ago, cant remember said:

Hold up, early gta3 build, did I miss that ?

oh i realised it was debug code left in gta 3 my bad: i got the idea about the second controller from this vid:

 

Edited February 2 by robbier2713

[Kesha_F1]

8 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

 

 

Here man: 

 

[TheEmptyProd.]

3 hours ago, cant remember said:

Hold up, early gta3 build, did I miss that ?

And even earlier GTA Vice City Builds

[hln_hln]

There are a few cheat codes that can be accessed via the d-pad on controller 1 in the leaked build.

Right-left x3 = increase wanted level

Down-up x3 = decrease wanted level

Left-up x3 = seems to draw a blue wire-frame box around some areas for only one frame? (Might be related to this and the DEBUG_ON opcode? The boxes are drawn around markers used by stores but not around mission markers. But the boxes also appear in other areas, for instance, around some buildings south of the North point mall)

Tap all buttons one by one clockwise x3 = health cheat

Tap all buttons one by one counterclockwise x3 = weapon cheat

Edited February 3 by hln_hln

[TheEmptyProd.]

5 minutes ago, hln_hln said:

There are a few cheat codes that can be accessed via the d-pad on controller 1 in the leaked build.

Right-left x3 = increase wanted level

Down-up x3 = decrease wanted level

Left-up x3 = seems to draw a blue wire-frame box around some areas for only one frame?

Tap all buttons one by one clockwise x3 = health cheat

Tap all buttons one by one counterclockwise x3 = weapon cheat

How to turn Cheat Mode on ? ? ? (Level Skip Menu, Car Spawner)

[GhettoJesus]

6 minutes ago, TheEmptyProd. said:

How to turn Cheat Mode on ? ? ? (Level Skip Menu, Car Spawner)

Down on the left analog stick on the second controller. Keep in mind that some features are only accessible without the cheat mode on, while others are only accessible with the cheat mode on.

[TheEmptyProd.]

2 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

Down on the left analog stick on the second controller. Keep in mind that some features are only accessible without the cheat mode on, while others are only accessible with the cheat mode on.

Thanks for pepsi

[universetwisters]

8 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

I mean it could very well technically be his stuff still, just not leaked by him

 

The may build is def from John Doe. He also has a midnight club one too. It's fair to assume that he's got other ones too

 

[GhettoJesus]

5 minutes ago, TheEmptyProd. said:

Thanks for pepsi

Wait, my bad, it should be triangle on the second controller. Got my control schemes messed up

 

Anyways, some other controls I found on the second controller (not an exhaustive list):

Start button: Enables/disables HUD

Triangle: Enables/disables cheat mode
Circle: Freezes the camera at an angle while also letting you control Tommy

• While in this mode, square moves the camera forward and cross moves it backwards
• Left and right on the right analog moves the camera to the left and right at a greater speed, while up and down will move it forward and backwards at a greater speed
• Left and right on the left analog moves rotates the camera to the left and right, while up and down tilts the camera up and down
• R2 teleports Tommy to the camera's position

Select: Turns cars and peds off, but only if cheat mode is enabled

Down on the D-pad: Spawns weapons

R1: Spawns vehicles and skips time ahead if held down

L1: Changes weather if cheat mode is off

Left and right on the D-pad: selects the next mission to be played

R3: Teleports to the next mission's starting location

Edited February 2 by GhettoJesus

[LorshZontek]

4 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

The may build is def from John Doe. He also has a midnight club one too. It's fair to assume that he's got other ones too

 

Any idea if he has any builds of Bully also? 

[universetwisters]

2 minutes ago, LorshZontek said:

Any idea if he has any builds of Bully also? 

 

Either he tried to get it and nothing came of it or I got f*ckin lied to and he never even checked

 

[freshek_]

In debug menu, you can change time 0-255, which gives weird graphical artifacts.

https://imgur.com/a/znGw6Id

Edited February 2 by freshek_

[LorshZontek]

1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

Either he tried to get it and nothing came of it or I got f*ckin lied to and he never even checked

 

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 

[Elmotus]

Looked through the character models, and this is all of them that had any changes to the textures. There are still probably more differences in models to be found though.

https://tcrf.net/Proto:Grand_Theft_Auto:_Vice_City/Characters

[cant remember]

What about GTA3 ?

[SammyXNA]

GTA San Andreas would be the my all time holy grail, would you know if JD potentially has this by any chance?

[blufeb95]

If you do the bridge clip at Prawn Island there's actually textures loaded, where in the final game it looks like you're walking on water beneath the road surface.

[xinerki]

31 minutes ago, blufeb95 said:

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If you do the bridge clip at Prawn Island there's actually textures loaded, where in the final game it looks like you're walking on water beneath the road surface.

on PC it's backface-culled. try this on the final ps2 game.

[OBSG]

1 hour ago, cant remember said:

What about GTA3 ?

i hope a gta 3 build surfaces, that's holy grail. especially if january 2001 build when it was still called gta 3d

[Grinch of Los Santos]

On 2/1/2025 at 8:05 AM, Spider-Vice said:

Ohhh right it being a preview build might explain it then. The executable compile date is likely newer than the content itself.

 

For those interested, the VICEPAL.PSS file has the earlier version of the intro and the audio stream is lossless PCM. So if you want a high quality version of that theme... there.

been a nut over the theme music, truly a pleasure to hear this version of it. Wish there was a working multitrack somewhere so I could inspect every layer! 

Been also trying to find a HQ version of the released version, pain to locate. 

[Diego.]

Some billboards from outside Interglobal Studios like one featuring an retro Interglobal logo is unfinished as it doesn't have the billboard's wooden base and it's just the texture. Also billboards disappear when you get far and only appear when you are closer.

North Point Mall's entrance doors are transparent from the outside and buggy as the interior is not loaded.

Also, some text on the Spanish language were missing however the translation was mostly complete at the time of the build.

 

(The "buggy and unfinished" movie studio billboards from outside are also present on the final PS2 version at least on emulator, I don't know if it happens on real PS2 hardware.)

Correct me if I got something wrong. I'm too lazy to play the entire build.

Edited February 3 by Diego.
More info.

[Grinch of Los Santos]

Release Mix


Demo/Early Beta Version


I find this quite interesting, the arpeggio was cut-pasted on the start (which to me means they were working on the opening and tweaking the main meat of the layers). There's a lot of differences between each mix, a lot of it remains the same but there's some layers that are removed in the finalized master. 

To me, as an Audio junkie, I want my hands on the multitrack sessions of both the Early (Beta-Demo) and Officially Released Final Versions to compare, figure out and just see what precisely was changed. Wouldn't mind merging the 2 masters together and form a new remix of the theme, because some of those early layers are fantastic - what a shame to remove them! 

[TheEmptyProd.]

5 minutes ago, Grinch of Los Santos said:

Release Mix


Demo/Early Beta Version


I Нахожу это довольно интересным, арпеджио было вырезано и вставлено с самого начала (что для меня означает, что они работали над открытием и подправкой основного мяса слоев). Между каждым миксом есть много различий, многие из них остаются неизменными, но есть некоторые слои, которые удаляются в окончательном мастере.

Мне, как помешанному на аудио, я хочу, чтобы мои руки были в руках многодорожечных сессий как ранней (бета-демо), так и официально выпущенной финальной версий, чтобы сравнить, выяснить и просто увидеть, что именно было изменено. Был бы не прочь объединить 2 мастера вместе и сформировать новый ремикс на тему, потому что некоторые из этих ранних слоев фантастические - как жаль, что их удалять!

OMG

[Grinch of Los Santos]

One of those layers, is this particular 'Rise' layer, I prefer both of them. 

Original Master 


Demo/Beta Master 


Somebody's gotta have the multitrack sessions ... I NEED it. 

I will also note, there's a slightly different speed in both versions, I think it's because the original master is NTSC and the Demo is PAL (2 different sources). 

Edited February 3 by Grinch of Los Santos

[Claude_Lib]

Lack of the bass drum makes the biggest difference, glad they added it. And that thing that look like an arch in the spectrogram, I believe it's called phaser.
Getting the source MIDI would be hella interesting.

Edited February 3 by Claude_Lib

[Spider-Vice]

Didn't expect someone to whip out the Adobe Audition spectrograms but here we are  I thought of doing that myself but wasn't sure how many people would even care or be able to read it.

[Grinch of Los Santos]

3 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Didn't expect someone to whip out the Adobe Audition spectrograms but here we are  I thought of doing that myself but wasn't sure how many people would even care or be able to read it.

To be honest, I thought the exact same lol ! 

After seeing this demo, I'm really itching to deconstruct it but do I really want to? 

[Grinch of Los Santos]

1 hour ago, Claude_Lib said:

Lack of the bass drum makes the biggest difference, glad they added it. And that thing that look like an arch in the spectrogram, I believe it's called phaser.
Getting the source MIDI would be hella interesting.

I believe it's a type of Phaser, Been trying to figure out that specific one as it's used on another piece of music I follow, it's definitely a type of that. 

Midi would be great for entire remixes/variants I do myself. However, the stems (The Multitrack) is something I'd love to have, being able to listen to each layer and literally rebuild/remix the Demo and Final Masters into a new piece of music. The amount of hours I'd spend just on that alone + processing several layers, making a brand new remixed version ... 80 layers and killing my computer. 

I'm insane, never show this side of me on here 

[Rangerv1]

6 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

The may build is def from John Doe. He also has a midnight club one too. It's fair to assume that he's got other ones too

 

Manifesting Agent beta build or documents