Beta Vice City

[BigMacToni]

15 minutes ago, H-G said:

John Doe has basically gone insane at this point, a couple of VCS prototypes are out there already!

 

As much as I would love to leave a link here, I unfortunately can't do that, so you should probably know where to go looking for them.

Is it by any chance labeled as "0.06"?

 

Be more specific dude

[Calm]

2 minutes ago, BigMacToni said:

Is it by any chance labeled as "0.06"?

 

Be more specific dude

Yeah, they're called 0.06 and 0.07 (<- lol). Good luck.

Edited February 2 by H-G

[BigMacToni]

Okay... could've said that right away instead of misleading us into thinking older builds got leaked

[Gravarty]

9 hours ago, Claude_Lib said:

Try using an OpenAL build, I remember having some audio issues with MSS one.

 

That's what i'm already using, hm.. well it seems that this doesn't work on Windows 11.

Edited February 2 by Gravarty

[Calm]

18 minutes ago, BigMacToni said:

Okay... could've said that right away instead of misleading us into thinking older builds got leaked

Relax bro, I ain't misleading anybody, alright? I'm just saying that the leaker guy did it again.

Edited February 2 by H-G

[BS_BlackScout]

1 hour ago, H-G said:

John Doe has basically gone insane at this point, a couple of VCS prototypes are out there already!

 

As much as I would love to leave a link here, I unfortunately can't do that, so you should probably know where to go looking for them.

What the f

[Calm]

1 minute ago, BS_BlackScout said:

What the f

Mostly-finalised builds under the codenames of 0.06 and 0.07. Look for the VCS article on the tcrf.net website.

[gts.]

2 hours ago, KolaFiend said:

 

Spoiler

if anyone wants to extract the gta3.img assets into PC game, after using convdff & magictxd, make sure to skip over the following before tossing into modloader else the game won't load

 

  Reveal hidden contents

man_wtrftr_1b.dff
man_wtrftr_2b.dff
man_wtrftr_3b.dff
managers_ofis_flr.dff
mp5short.dff
nailgun.dff
nhaitiplnt07.dff
pstsnub.dff
pstsnub.txd
rocket.dff
rocket.txd
rocketb.dff
rocketb.txd
S_keeper.txd
shareddirt.txd
shotgun.txd
sniper2.txd
stapleg.dff
stapleg.txd
steyr.dff
steyr.txd
stungun.dff
stungun.txd
TOYZ.txd
uziold.dff
uziold.txd

 

this list for the final PS2 game is very similar, actually the beta build is missing some of the unused files like otb_ext/otb_int, and some are in both PS2 games but seem to cause no issue on PC

 

Care of share the convdff/magictxd command to just one click autoconverting please?

[Sergiu]

15 minutes ago, H-G said:

Mostly-finalised builds under the codenames of 0.06 and 0.07. Look for the VCS article on the tcrf.net website.

If not 0.01 from August then I sleep

Edited February 2 by Sergiu

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Sergiu said:

If not 0.01 from August then I sleep

We can only wait for that one to drop, I guess.

[DUNK512]

2 hours ago, H-G said:

John Doe has basically gone insane at this point, a couple of VCS prototypes are out there already!

 

As much as I would love to leave a link here, I unfortunately can't do that, so you should probably know where to go looking for them.

By gone insane, you mean doing the right thing? 
 

I’m proud of him.

[Calm]

Just now, DUNK512 said:

By gone insane, you mean doing the right thing? 
 

I’m proud of him.

I mean, what that guy is doing is a serious offence - but I also think R* kinda deserved this for attacking their own fans. Poetic justice.

[SaintJimmy]

I highly doubt it's Johndoe releasing them. It'd make his customers 10x as angry.

Wouldn't be surprised if these are the actions of customers as a big F you, as it's not like he can continue to sell them.

[KolaFiend]

1 hour ago, gts. said:

Care of share the convdff/magictxd command to just one click autoconverting please?

ripped out the files with imgtool on old pc

i found a .bat online for convdff and tweaked it to this

Spoiler

cd DFF

for %%f in (*.dff) do (
 echo Converting %%f 
 ..\convdff.exe -u -v 33004 %%f "..\DFF_Conv\%%f" 
)

 as for textures, magictxd>tools>mass convert is pretty straightforward
 

[Sergiu]

1 hour ago, H-G said:

I mean, what that guy is doing is a serious offence - but I also think R* kinda deserved this for attacking their own fans. Poetic justice.

It's obviously not johndoe uploading these, they're pinning it on him as a gag for retribution, lmao. He dipped

Edited February 2 by Sergiu

[Bryxanov1337]

[Spider-Vice]

30 minutes ago, Sergiu said:

It's obviously not johndoe uploading these, they're pinning it on him as a gag for retribution, lmao. He dipped

I mean it could very well technically be his stuff still, just not leaked by him  One thing's for certain, some ex-dev from back then was definitely leaky because it's odd at this point so many builds are leaking, alongside parts of game design docs.

 

3 hours ago, H-G said:

Look for the VCS article on the tcrf.net website.

...you know you can link to TCRF, yes?

Edit: If folks wanna analyse the VCS builds, may wanna do it in the thread that someone made last month:

https://gtaforums.com/topic/1000387-vcs-beta-found/

 

Edited February 2 by Spider-Vice

[MikeWh]

8 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

I mean it could very well technically be his stuff still, just not leaked by him  One thing's for certain, some ex-dev from back then was definitely leaky because it's odd at this point so many builds are leaking, alongside parts of game design docs.

 

What I find interesting is the lack of controls on assets like beta builds at the time. It's quite common now to have overlays on top of beta builds for each user, or signing the file out and it being hidden within the build as to who's accessed it (and consequently leaked it).

 

The design docs are more interesting, as they're printed, copied and scanned in - to avoid detection?

[Spider-Vice]

1 minute ago, MikeWh said:

What I find interesting is the lack of controls on assets like beta builds at the time. It's quite common now to have overlays on top of beta builds for each user, or signing the file out and it being hidden within the build as to who's accessed it (and consequently leaked it).

 

The design docs are more interesting, as they're printed, copied and scanned in - to avoid detection?

Game development was an organisational sh*tshow back then honestly, so this isn't that surprising.  Especially these earlier games which I'm sure R* crunched "to death", hence some things being finished so late.

[3M_]

Spoiler

all the beta weapons in this build

[Sergiu]

13 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Game development was an organisational sh*tshow back then honestly, so this isn't that surprising.  Especially these earlier games which I'm sure R* crunched "to death", hence some things being finished so late.

Not to mention that it's surprising they were hidden for 20 years and just now start surfacing. I'd say it's a mix of collector gatekeeping and NDAs beginning to expire. Plus Rockstar no longer seems to care much about anything pre 2010.

[slawek361]

10 minutes ago, 3M_ said:

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all the beta weapons in this build

Is there a cheat code for it in this build?

[3M_]

2 minutes ago, slawek361 said:

Is there a cheat code for it in this build?

nope, i just edited the default.ide

[slawek361]

1 minute ago, 3M_ said:

nope, i just edited the default.ide

Wish to see video how it looks and sounds!

[3M_]

2 minutes ago, slawek361 said:

Wish to see video how it looks and sounds!

They sound exactly like the ones I replaced them with. Just wanted to show the models in game

Edited February 2 by 3M_

[MikeWh]

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Sergiu said:

I'd say it's a mix of collector gatekeeping and NDAs beginning to expire. Plus Rockstar no longer seems to care much about anything pre 2010.

I don't necessarily think the NDAs expire, in any case it's still copyrighted material which is owned by Take2/Rockstar/Rockstar North - arguably more legally potent than any potential NDA signed by an employee; a conviction for breaching copyright/computer misuse/fraud while an employee is aggravated and the starting point becomes prison in most jurisdictions within the UK, I assume the states too.

 

I do think there's something in the first bit though; my take is numerous people have 'collected' things and paid for them, the same source has controlled it all - anyway it's come out that he was effectively conning them, and making them sign non-enforceable NDAs, and they're revolting knowing there's no way they can possibly recover their cash (because it was effectively a non-permitted transaction, and has no consumer protections as it's appropriated copyrighted works they were buying). Either way, fair play - by releasing everything they've paid for/been conned to pay for they're removing the power from the source of it all, and allowing better archive of game development. 

[Darealbandicoot]

Holding L1+L2+R1+R2 together at the Rockstar logo doesn't skip straight to the loading screen in the beta build.

 

If you don't stop in the pink marker in front of the Ocean View Hotel then the pink marker to start "An Old Friend" will be invisible but still functional.

 

Rims on cars look more wobbly compared to the uniform movement of the final game.

 

When carjacking a ped from a vehicle where Tommy has to throw them out on their back(Cheetah for example) the ped plays the full animaton of reaching out with their left arm before getting up from GTA 3 while the final game has them get up immediately when the get thrown out.

 

Tommy also plays this GTA 3 animation when he's carjacked instead of awkwardly laying on his back motionless like the final game.

 

No Ken Rosenburg dialogue when busted.

 

Different camera angles in the intro for " Four Iron"

 

RC Helicopter uses the GTA 3 Helicopter rotor blade effect.

 

Diaz's Admiral is a greyish blue color in "Guardian Angels" instead of white.

 

The marker at the entrance of "Death Row" will stay on the map until the mission ends if you bypass it via helicopter.

 

Maverick never spawns at the Hyman Condos.

 

Edited February 2 by Darealbandicoot

[itsallup]

San Andreas is next.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

...you know you can link to TCRF, yes?

Edit: If folks wanna analyse the VCS builds, may wanna do it in the thread that someone made last month:

https://gtaforums.com/topic/1000387-vcs-beta-found/

 

Yeah, I wanted to link it, but I didn't do that just in case if the staff decided to come knocking or something.

[cant remember]

On 2/1/2025 at 1:45 PM, robbier2713 said:

if you have a second controller "plugged" into the emulator it seems you get the same functions as the early gta 3 build, such as writing coords to file by pressing L1 on the second controller!

also R1 is a vehicle spawner!

Mission selector on right dpad

Hold up, early gta3 build, did I miss that ?