Beta Vice City

[Tom_Vercetti]

34 minutes ago, Vishnuka said:

Yeah It's really a half love.....

Yup, you got that right!

 

It would have been fantastic to see them two flirting over the phone!

Edited April 11, 2021 by Tom_Vercetti
added more information!

[Guest]

On 2/20/2021 at 4:14 PM, Sergiu said:

Just one observation, Espantoso songs do not fit the chronological timeline at all in Vice City and they even included tracks from the 90s or made by Rockstar in 2002.

Well, R* produced those in-house songs as fictional ones for the 80s time period depicted in VC. They did it again in LCS where they made a bedsheetload of fictional songs in 2005 for the 1998 time period shown in the game. That's just how they flow.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Staunton Assassin

[Sergiu]

Cachao - A Gozar Con Mi Combo is just one example of mid 90s songs (1994) being in VC that's not produced by Rockstar so I must mention that it's not always the in-house tracks being anachronistic

Edited April 25, 2021 by Sergiu

[universetwisters]

2 hours ago, Sergiu said:

 it's not always the in-house tracks being anachronistic

 

How dare rockstar not go back in time to record music for a game set in the past

[Blaze]

On 4/25/2021 at 4:59 PM, universetwisters said:

 

How dare rockstar not go back in time to record music for a game set in the past

 

Wait until he finds out VCPR wasn't actually recorded in 1986.

[Tom_Vercetti]

I wonder, perhaps the BellyUp in the handling.cfg of Vice City may not be leftover from GTA III. In the mission Spilling The Beans Kent Paul says something about Triads owning a boat at the Vice City Dockyard, but when you arrive, it is just full with officers (PIGs). I think there was some Triad Gang/LC Triads whom owned some front in Vice City, and it was deleted along with the van for unknown reasons.

 

It probably explains why there was no Chinatown featured anywhere in Vice City, and this is just a thought, not a rumour!

 

;BELLYUP 2600.0 2.2 6.5 2.8 0.0 0.0 0.2 80 0.85 0.80 0.5 5 180.0 22.0 4 D 4.5 0.80 0 30.0 2.0 0.09 0.46 0.5 22000 0.30 -0.20 0.5 0.0 422

[Guest]

On 5/3/2021 at 12:42 AM, Tom_Vercetti said:

I wonder, perhaps the BellyUp in the handling.cfg of Vice City may not be leftover from GTA III. In the mission Spilling The Beans Kent Paul says something about Triads owning a boat at the Vice City Dockyard, but when you arrive, it is just full with officers (PIGs). I think there was some Triad Gang/LC Triads whom owned some front in Vice City, and it was deleted along with the van for unknown reasons.

 

It probably explains why there was no Chinatown featured anywhere in Vice City, and this is just a thought, not a rumour!

 

;BELLYUP 2600.0 2.2 6.5 2.8 0.0 0.0 0.2 80 0.85 0.80 0.5 5 180.0 22.0 4 D 4.5 0.80 0 30.0 2.0 0.09 0.46 0.5 22000 0.30 -0.20 0.5 0.0 422

Maybe... It could be true.

Using this handling line on a mule won't crash the game or cause weird bugs. It works like butter!

Edited May 4, 2021 by ArkianHue

[Tom_Vercetti]

31 minutes ago, ArkianHue said:

Maybe... It could be true.

Using this handling line on a mule won't crash the game or cause weird bugs. It works like butter!

I never knew that, thanks for confirming it!

Does anyone know how the Kuruma looked like in the beta of Vice City, was it the same car as GTA III or one completely new car that was cut?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tom_Vercetti said:

I never knew that, thanks for confirming it!

Does anyone know how the Kuruma looked like in the beta of Vice City, was it the same car as GTA III or one completely new car that was cut?

It's 99% most likely just a leftover from gta III. 

[Tom_Vercetti]

3 hours ago, ArkianHue said:

It's 99% most likely just a leftover from gta III. 

 

I’m sure you’re right my friend, it would not have fitted with the timeline of Vice City at all, the car is based on both the 2001 Chrysler Sebring and 1992 Honda Civic, and the game is set in 1986 which is fifteen years earlier?

[Vishnuka]

9 hours ago, Tom_Vercetti said:

 

මට විශ්වාසයි ඔබ මගේ මිතුරා නිවැරදියි, එය කිසිසේත් වයිස් සිටි කාලසටහනට නොගැලපේ, මෝටර් රථය 2001 ක්‍රයිස්ලර් සෙබ්‍රිං සහ 1992 හොන්ඩා සිවික් යන දෙකම මත පදනම් වූ අතර ක්‍රීඩාව 1986 දී සකස් කර ඇති අතර එය පහළොවකි අවුරුදු ගණනාවකට පෙර? 🤔">

Hey have unused licence plates of Vice City beta or alpha versions.....?

[Tom_Vercetti]

7 hours ago, Vishnuka said:

Hey have unused licence plates of Vice City beta or alpha versions.....?

Have you translated my previous quote in Swahilli by any chance?

[SLON1936]

On 3/30/2021 at 5:59 PM, LegionVC said:

I'm sure most people are familiar with the ghost tower (a leftover from the beta airport that can still be seen when the mainland is not loaded). Well, I've been looking through old pre-release media that might show what it looked like while it was still in the game (Not the LOD model that can be seen from the other island). While there is no media that shows the beta airport, I did find something that no one else seems to have found before.

 

There is this pre-release video from IGN: https://www.ign.com/videos/2002/08/27/gta-vice-city-ps2-2002-08-27-5

 

The video ends just after the Voodoo turns right towards the Print Works, an area that would have provided a view of the ghost tower. I downloaded this video and extracted it frame by frame. While it seems to end just a bit too early, on the very last frame before the video fades to the Vice City logo you can catch a glimpse of the ghost tower. I have uploaded the frames, the last one shows the tower (turn your brightness up if you can't see it): https://imgur.com/a/hubz3t5

 

This looks to be the only footage we have of the non-LOD model of the tower. I know the footage is poor but sadly the video is already low quality to begin with. Also if it was just a second longer we would have gotten a better view of it, instead of on the fade out. This video is from August 27, 2002. Looks like the airport was only redesigned in the last month or so of development (removing the tower, adding the curved runway, adding Fort Baxter, etc.) That might explain why the tower can still be seen in the LOD version of the map, the change was made very late in development.

 

Perhaps this is due to the fact that at that time it had already been decided to remove part of the airport, so they did not "light up" what would change.
Strictly speaking, it seems that the airport was cut just to accommodate a military base there.

[Guest]

I just noticed this about 30minutes ago when I was just playing and messing around and stuff and I haven't seen anybody talk/mention anything about this... maybe if the topic/mod has a discord then it might have been mentioned before. But I'm 100% sure that nobody did on the forums.

 

Okay. So, basically the bridge that connects vice city beach and starfish island (star island as it's called by VCB mod and tommy in the mission death row) together was changed in the mod as a screenshot of tommy/a ped wearing a dark shirt on a boat shows a different bridge:

 

You can see it on left.

 

Now this bridge appeared on the billboard near the construction site here:

 

I'm gonna show you the differences between each image I taken:

(left): Billboard (middle): Vanilla VC VCB mod(right):

 

The building shape was a bit different. It might be because of the angle (gif):

If you look on the left they are connected? idk It looks like that to me.

 

Also, the safehouse 1102 Washington Street near Rosenberg's office (vanilla office not the beta one) doesn't appear on the billboard. Now you could say "well it doesn't appear probably because it is cropped, or the draw distance was low" I think it didn't exist. In the beta/alpha. Who knows.

 

I think Kalvin knows this already, I'm not sure, but this is for anybody that didn't know.

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by ArkianHue
Removed repeated sentences and some spelling mistakes and added bold and coloured text.

[Kalvin]

It's a great shout, however after looking into it, it seems it's just some trickery on Rockstar's part.

 

It's the other side of the building, from the angle of Rosenberg's office, but they also flipped the image.

 

[VitoBreakz]

On 4/6/2021 at 8:09 PM, ArkianHue said:

Well at least we see the area in the first frame so thats good... Unfortunetly, I don't think there is any chance or a possibility to increase/boost the video's quality or the frames for that matter...

 

First image (brighter and more grainy/noisy):

The second image (the last frame):

 

as you said the tower's silhouette appears.

 

For some reason, I remembered some buildings in doherty/sanfierro in san andreas. That black building with the green moss? I don't know it looks really similar from that angle. This might be far fetched, but it just reminded me of it.

 

There's also some cut trees from the area.

I find it totally incredible that you have found that photo I hope we could see it originally I have been looking for an image of it for almost 15 years 
thanks a greeting :)

(I use a translator I hope you understand each other well XD)

 

[Guest]

On 5/8/2021 at 5:51 PM, Kalvin said:

It's a great shout, however after looking into it, it seems it's just some trickery on Rockstar's part.

 

It's the other side of the building, from the angle of Rosenberg's office, but they also flipped the image.

 

No wonder the bridge seemed shorter to me!

They got me there!

On 5/9/2021 at 1:13 AM, VitoBreakz said:

I find it totally incredible that you have found that photo I hope we could see it originally I have been looking for an image of it for almost 15 years 
thanks a greeting :)

(I use a translator I hope you understand each other well XD)

 

I didn't find this image. The credit goes to the guy named @LegionVC he's the guy who brought it up. I just increased the brightness of the images and added some grain and that's it. 

 

Has anybody looked into this before? Pretty sure someone has at somepoint or another.

This damn strange white taxi calendar in the Kaufman Cabs Office in Little Haiti. Was this originally the car the taxi company used in the beta? or R* just put it there for no reason. They might have changed to not be confused with the white police car at that time of development. That is if it even was a car in the alpha/beta.

 

Why am I saying this? Well... I found this bitmap texture for the taxi in the interior:

You can notice the LC license plate and fake ford badge (vapid badge in GTA Universe). Why would R* use this texture for an object in this interior, that's weird. I'm  pretty sure that's where SOBB a.k.a  @Son Of Big Boss got the bitmap texture from. This wasn't mentioned in the video that Matt1010 made about the beta cars.

 

The one from the vanilla game is 19.7 KB in size, 20.0 KB in size on the disk. While the one extracted from VCB is 20.4 KB in size, and 24.0 KB in size on the disk. Other than that, they are identical.

 

And lastly, what type of wheel does the taxi use? It's not clear from the calendar.

Edited May 10, 2021 by ArkianHue
I had to mention something I forgot.

[Tom_Vercetti]

On 5/10/2021 at 10:11 AM, ArkianHue said:

No wonder the bridge seemed shorter to me!

They got me there!

I didn't find this image. The credit goes to the guy named @LegionVC he's the guy who brought it up. I just increased the brightness of the images and added some grain and that's it. 

 

Has anybody looked into this before? Pretty sure someone has at somepoint or another.

This damn strange white taxi calendar in the Kaufman Cabs Office in Little Haiti. Was this originally the car the taxi company used in the beta? or R* just put it there for no reason. They might have changed to not be confused with the white police car at that time of development. That is if it even was a car in the alpha/beta.

 

Why am I saying this? Well... I found this bitmap texture for the taxi in the interior:

You can notice the LC license plate and fake ford badge (vapid badge in GTA Universe). Why would R* use this texture for an object in this interior, that's weird. I'm  pretty sure that's where SOBB a.k.a  @Son Of Big Boss got the bitmap texture from. This wasn't mentioned in the video that Matt1010 made about the beta cars.

 

The one from the vanilla game is 19.7 KB in size, 20.0 KB in size on the disk. While the one extracted from VCB is 20.4 KB in size, and 24.0 KB in size on the disk. Other than that, they are identical.

 

And lastly, what type of wheel does the taxi use? It's not clear from the calendar.

 

I know the police car colours were changed from white with red and blue stripes to the evergreen livery to not confuse the player with that and any civilian car, but I have no idea if the taxis were ever only white in the beta. I always thought they were yellow like in previous instalments such as GTA III? 

 

The same calendar can also be found in Phil’s Place in his trailer!

[universetwisters]

On 5/10/2021 at 5:11 AM, ArkianHue said:

This damn strange white taxi calendar in the Kaufman Cabs Office in Little Haiti. Was this originally the car the taxi company used in the beta? or R* just put it there for no reason. They might have changed to not be confused with the white police car at that time of development. That is if it even was a car in the alpha/beta.

 

P sure it's just a design choice like this tbh

 

[Son Of Big Boss]

On 5/10/2021 at 5:11 AM, ArkianHue said:

No wonder the bridge seemed shorter to me!

They got me there!

I didn't find this image. The credit goes to the guy named @LegionVC he's the guy who brought it up. I just increased the brightness of the images and added some grain and that's it. 

 

Has anybody looked into this before? Pretty sure someone has at somepoint or another.

This damn strange white taxi calendar in the Kaufman Cabs Office in Little Haiti. Was this originally the car the taxi company used in the beta? or R* just put it there for no reason. They might have changed to not be confused with the white police car at that time of development. That is if it even was a car in the alpha/beta.

 

Why am I saying this? Well... I found this bitmap texture for the taxi in the interior:

You can notice the LC license plate and fake ford badge (vapid badge in GTA Universe). Why would R* use this texture for an object in this interior, that's weird. I'm  pretty sure that's where SOBB a.k.a  @Son Of Big Boss got the bitmap texture from. This wasn't mentioned in the video that Matt1010 made about the beta cars.

 

The one from the vanilla game is 19.7 KB in size, 20.0 KB in size on the disk. While the one extracted from VCB is 20.4 KB in size, and 24.0 KB in size on the disk. Other than that, they are identical.

 

And lastly, what type of wheel does the taxi use? It's not clear from the calendar.

Well, now that you ask, the real reason it's there is because the taxi interior texture is used by the signs right here

 

 

 

And regarding the calendar, well the thing looks desaturated actually, not even the turning signal lights are colored, it's like they highlighted the Taxi sign only, and the wheel is untextured too, that's why it looks white. I didn't really had the need to take the texture from there because the little badge was present even in the final taxi interior texture, just the plate being changed there.

 

And well, my theory is that they just added the cruiser in the calendar because in the early stages of development there was no such thing as a separate Kaufman Cab, we only got to see the GTA III Cabbie used in some pics. So I just think they placed the cruiser there just like GTA III had the Taxi in the Mean Streets company logo.

 

5 hours ago, Tom_Vercetti said:

 

I know the police car colours were changed from white with red and blue stripes to the evergreen livery to not confuse the player with that and any civilian car, but I have no idea if the taxis were ever only white in the beta. I always thought they were yellow like in previous instalments such as GTA III? 

 

The same calendar can also be found in Phil’s Place in his trailer!

 

I doubt they change the livery just to prevent players confusion.

 

They literally did the livery just like the real thing, not sure what year this was used, maybe during the 90's, and probably that's why it was changed, because it was not right for the setting

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Son Of Big Boss said:

Well, now that you ask, the real reason it's there is because the taxi interior texture is used by the signs right here

 

 

 

And regarding the calendar, well the thing looks desaturated actually, not even the turning signal lights are colored, it's like they highlighted the Taxi sign only, and the wheel is untextured too, that's why it looks white. I didn't really had the need to take the texture from there because the little badge was present even in the final taxi interior texture, just the plate being changed there.

 

And well, my theory is that they just added the cruiser in the calendar because in the early stages of development there was no such thing as a separate Kaufman Cab, we only got to see the GTA III Cabbie used in some pics. So I just think they placed the cruiser there just like GTA III had the Taxi in the Mean Streets company logo.

 

 

I doubt they change the livery just to prevent players confusion.

 

They literally did the livery just like the real thing, not sure what year this was used, maybe during the 90's, and probably that's why it was changed, because it was not right for the setting

That was interesting stuff right there!

Couldn't they bother to change it once they had a model or a concept for the kaufman cabs?

I think this is such a small thing that I honestly think they were lazy to change it.

7 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

P sure it's just a design choice like this tbh

 

That could be it. It looks like they took inspiration from it.

[Son Of Big Boss]

27 minutes ago, ArkianHue said:

That was interesting stuff right there!

Couldn't they bother to change it once they had a model or a concept for the kaufman cabs?

I think this is such a small thing that I honestly think they were lazy to change it.

That could be it. It looks like they took inspiration from it.

It wouldn't be only time they have left something beta in a prop or map. They did that a lot in SA with the Driving school and Otto autos renders. And they even left the KB beta Remington interior texture in one of the tuning garages. 

 

In GTA 3 they also had the beta Beamer interior texture and the original engine texture used in a car prop at Joey's garage

Edited May 12, 2021 by Son Of Big Boss

[Guest]

I think we have another instance in where R* just reusing textures/models for pedestrians.

both of these peds and other have sunglasses in their txd file:

Maybe it could suit him but the other one from docks seems odd:

Edited May 14, 2021 by ArkianHue
I doubt they were ever used for them. Also, LET ME KNOW IF I'M SPAMMING/POSTING IRRELEVANT STUFF.

[CarlJohnson92]

11 hours ago, ArkianHue said:

R*

 

Great find.

[SLON1936]

On another note, it looks like the taxi in this poster has some kind of badge on the radiator. Moreover, the screenshot of a taxi (its real pre-release pic, i hope?) on the 4 page of this topic demonstrates the same thing.

[Son Of Big Boss]

15 minutes ago, SLON1936 said:

On another note, it looks like the taxi in this poster has some kind of badge on the radiator. Moreover, the screenshot of a taxi (its real pre-release pic, i hope?) on the 4 page of this topic demonstrates the same thing.

Both the Taxi and the copcar used to have badges on the front and rear.

[Americana]

I don't know, but I know for sure that I would order that calendar. That's some good looking sedan!

[Vishnuka]

On 5/14/2021 at 2:38 PM, Leon Luther said:

R * පදිකයින් සඳහා වයනය / ආකෘති නැවත භාවිතා කරන තවත් අවස්ථාවක් අපට ඇතැයි මම සිතමි.

මෙම පෙඩ් සහ අනෙක් දෙවර්ගයේම අව් කණ්ණාඩි ඒවායේ txd ගොනුවේ ඇත:

සමහර විට එය ඔහුට ගැළපෙන නමුත් අනෙක් තටාක වලින් අමුතු බවක් පෙනේ:

Yeah he is different.i mean his face.and look old....!

 

On 5/5/2021 at 4:17 PM, Tom_Vercetti said:

Have you translated my previous quote in Swahilli by any chance?

Hah Lol i'm sorry.it's automatically been.it's a setting my chrome..

[Ivan1997GTA]

The European soundtrack CD for Wave 103 has Aneka's "Japanese Boy" as part of the playlist, even though that song appears on Flash FM in-game.

 

Do you think that CD was probably printed before the game's release and was based on preview articles? I think "Japanese Boy" was probably meant to appear on Wave 103 rather than Flash FM in the final game, while another song would've taken its place on Flash FM.

[universetwisters]

On 7/10/2021 at 11:13 AM, Ivan1997GTA said:

The European soundtrack CD for Wave 103 has Aneka's "Japanese Boy" as part of the playlist, even though that song appears on Flash FM in-game.

 

Do you think that CD was probably printed before the game's release and was based on preview articles? I think "Japanese Boy" was probably meant to appear on Wave 103 rather than Flash FM in the final game, while another song would've taken its place on Flash FM.

 

The european soundtracks for VC are weird af. They got a bunch of songs on Flash FM like I WANNA BE A COWBOY and HOLD THE LINE (which ironically enough made its way into San Andreas) that didn't even show up in Vice City