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love this, Id wish someone or anyone that has magazines of the premieres can upload this types of things so we can see the shots and read about the previews of all GTA titles. Thanks for uploading them, love to read things like this.

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Posted (edited)

Thanks, magazines like that are only a few £ on eBay so it's no biggie. Missed this screenshot on the contents page:

 

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I also noted the tiki hut area of the house behind El Swanko Casa is different in the final version.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365159421002645515/702903711881625650/unknown.png

 

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@blaze good find

did you find tommy used a beta uzi?

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Posted (edited)

I like how they mentioned that Tommy can't swim... twice.

 

Also, these are some nice screenshots. These look really good.

 


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On 4/23/2020 at 9:01 AM, Blaze said:

Do it for love by Hall and Oates was meant to be in the game,

 

Literally how because it came a month before Vice City

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3 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Literally how because it came a month before Vice City

Maybe saying it was meant to be in the game was a bad choice of words but it's on this list.

 

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It's also not as cut throat but First Contact by Omni Trio released 3 months prior to III although that being said I think Moving Shadow 01.1 came out early 01 (Not really backing myself up here lmao).

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Carbonox

"Scarpering from the rozzers"? What's that supposed to mean in plain talk? :p

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1 minute ago, Carbonox said:

"Scarpering from the rozzers"? What's that supposed to mean in plain talk? :p

 

Escaping from the police.

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14 minutes ago, Blaze said:

It's also not as cut throat but First Contact by Omni Trio released 3 months prior to III although that being said I think Moving Shadow 01.1 came out early 01 (Not really backing myself up here lmao).

 

But that isn't as jarring because III didn't take place 15 years before the song came out

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Blaze

Completely overlooked that 😂 Good point, maybe R* twigged on they f*cked up and ended up replacing it, who knows.

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On 1/7/2015 at 11:51 AM, Pavle said:

So, judging by those audio files, they never hooked up?

 

Also,

Does anyone remember Mr.Moffat?

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Dialogue-

  • Moffat: Vercetti? VERCETTI!! Damn you man you've got to help me!
  • Tommy: Mr. Moffat? How's family life?
  • Moffat: Damn you to hell, HELL, do you hear me?!
  • Tommy: Well it was nice chatting...
  • Moffat: WAIT! Wait, Vercetti -Tommy, can I call you Tommy? We're both businessmen, yeah? You know a good deal when you hear one, ok?
  • Tommy: I don't have the time to chat, get to the point.
  • Moffat: MONEY. Money is the goddamn point, I've escaped the coop again, but its never long before they track me down -they think its a damned game! I'm at a pay phone somewhere in this god forsaken sh*t hole. Get me out of here before they take me back and..and..oh go-o-od...
  • Tommy: Well, I'm busy for the next-
  • Moffat: No! Don't sh*t with me here, have a heart! No man should have to do such, such things. I'm on my knees here Tommy, in the dirt begging for you please...
  • Tommy: I guess I could swing by that way see if I can spot you...
  • Moffat: Oh god, they're coming. For the love of Christ hurry, hurry!

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Son Of Big Boss

the Beta Admiral besides having different realistic headlights, it also showed trims that "touched" the lights, in final they are separated, also, the side trim was longer and reached to the rear surrounding the top of the taillights and under the trunk, the damaged trunk model still has polies for the removed trim, and then there was also a little trim under the tallights, similar to a real life Mercedes model

 

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I've recreated what the admiral was supposed to look like

 

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Posted (edited)

@Son Of Big Boss

Just a question, are you gonna bother remaking the models/changes from rockstar's flash website? Because they are alot different from the beta pictures.

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I meant the car pictures we saw at the flash website.

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Son Of Big Boss
On 5/2/2020 at 5:05 AM, JohnsonHu said:

@Son Of Big Boss

Just a question, are you gonna bother remaking the models/changes from rockstar's flash website? Because they are alot different from the beta pictures.

Could be a separate beta category. Like when I did beta website Render Sentinel XS and then Beta IG Sentinel Xs

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Son Of Big Boss said:

Could be a separate beta category. Like when I did beta website Render Sentinel XS and then Beta IG Sentinel Xs

You did them?

also the infernus on the website has an earlier model on the website with the single front bumper and orange backlights.

 

Anyways, I like the hard work and dedication towards remaking those beta vehicles.😃

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Jeansowaty

I really like how more III-style the beta VC cars are :)

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Son Of Big Boss
On 5/4/2020 at 9:20 AM, ArkianHue said:

You did them?

also the infernus on the website has an earlier model on the website with the single front bumper and orange backlights.

 

Anyways, I like the hard work and dedication towards remaking those beta vehicles.😃

In case people wants Beta Vehicles, yeah, I have infernus there, most of the hardest cars are done, the easy ones are coming sometime soon, and well yeah, I always try my best 

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On 4/23/2020 at 7:01 AM, Blaze said:
Spoiler

 

Recently bought two PSM2 magazines from around the time of VC's launch, the first was simply speculation but the second contained a bunch of early screenshots and an interview with Rockstar. Some of it's old, hopefully some of it's new. I've uploaded the scans to Flickr so if anyone wants to fully check them out feel free, note that some pages have two scans simply because my scanner is A4 and the magazine is slightly larger than A4 so I had to scan them twice to get text on both sides of the page there.

 

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157714009373862

 

I've also isolated pretty much all of the images from the magazine and uploaded them separately. 34 in total, will put them in the spoiler tag below.

 

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Some things that did initially pop out at me: Do it for love by Hall and Oates was meant to be in the game, swimming wasn't included as "Ultimately, it's a time consuming thing to program that wouldn't add much to the game, unless we put in dedicated swimming missions which wouldn't be very gangster". Gonna give it a proper read through now, just wanted to get it shared ASAP.

 

 

Good stuff here, thanks for the scans!

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About the Mr Moffat thing - probably not related in any way, but did you know that Sam's and Dan's Houser mother is... Geraldine Moffat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Moffat

 

I don't know if this is a popular British name, but who knows, maybe the brothers wanted to put her name somehow in the game? In fact, she was voice acting GTA V as Trevor's mom!

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rodie beta researcher

ive seen that alot of yall havent brough up stuff, that was removed from vice city

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Blaze

such as? easy to claim you have some unknown beta content/information without providing examples or sources.

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Blaze said:

such as? easy to claim you have some unknown beta content/information without providing examples or sources.

you know how ricardo diaz in that mission was watching a betting race on horses, but when his loses, he gets mad and kicks down the table?

that was a leftover beta thing most dont talk about, since they think, "oh its just a regular thing ricardo gets pissed about."

Its already been talked about, but the inside track was gonna be in vice city.

it couldve been that once you completed it, you could go to the inside track and bet on horses.

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https://i.imgflip.com/43anje.jpg

 

since i dont know how to put images, imma point out things noone ever seems to talk about

a, the idaho had an emblem.

b, it had a gta 3 color leftover.

c, gta 3 rims too, since rockstar always reuses assets from the game before. (everyone mentiosn about them in san andreas beta topics and a little in vice city, but they never mention idaho)

d, different grille?

now to talk about the freeway.

the freeway had a more silvery white color, unlike the creamy white thats in the regular game. (or is it something ive never noticed?)

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When discussing anything beta/alpha/pre release/etc I think it's better to focus mostly on what you can actually prove was legitimately cut content, as opposed to fan theories or hypothesis - not that they're a bad thing as they can lead to discoveries but it's also very easy for misinformation to spread and fiction to become fact.

 

Regarding ITB and what we know is 100% concrete: leftover interior texture files, cut stats such as money spent gambling, and leftover opcodes related to a gambling system. Is it a fair assumption that ITB was in development and cut? Yes. Was Diaz betting on horses? Yes. Is there any proof Diaz would be using ITB, or that completion of The Chase would unlock ITB? No.

 

As for the Idaho, ALMOST610 recreated it. Same badge, same grille.

 

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The GTA3 rims have been brought up too (https://gtaforums.com/topic/525003-vcwip-vice-beta-collection/)

 

The beta Freeway was brought up here (https://gtaforums.com/topic/743880-beta-vice-city/page/13/?tab=comments#comment-1066778574) and looks to be simply a desaturated/carcols version of the beta Freeway that exists in the game files. ALMOST610 released that too.

 

https://download.gtanet.com/gtagarage/files/image_67951.jpg

 

If you're gonna spend time digging for beta content, might wanna start by checking existing threads before bringing up things that have already been brought up, discussed or even modded back into the game.

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10 minutes ago, Blaze said:

When discussing anything beta/alpha/pre release/etc I think it's better to focus mostly on what you can actually prove was legitimately cut content, as opposed to fan theories or hypothesis - not that they're a bad thing as they can lead to discoveries but it's also very easy for misinformation to spread and fiction to become fact.

 

Regarding ITB and what we know is 100% concrete: leftover interior texture files, cut stats such as money spent gambling, and leftover opcodes related to a gambling system. Is it a fair assumption that ITB was in development and cut? Yes. Was Diaz betting on horses? Yes. Is there any proof Diaz would be using ITB, or that completion of The Chase would unlock ITB? No.

 

As for the Idaho, ALMOST610 recreated it. Same badge, same grille.

 

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The GTA3 rims have been brought up too (https://gtaforums.com/topic/525003-vcwip-vice-beta-collection/)

 

The beta Freeway was brought up here (https://gtaforums.com/topic/743880-beta-vice-city/page/13/?tab=comments#comment-1066778574) and looks to be simply a desaturated/carcols version of the beta Freeway that exists in the game files. ALMOST610 released that too.

 

https://download.gtanet.com/gtagarage/files/image_67951.jpg

 

If you're gonna spend time digging for beta content, might wanna start by checking existing threads before bringing up things that have already been brought up, discussed or even modded back into the game.

thanks for the clarification.

i guess im just a theorist, since most people have found alot.

has anyone talked about the haitian-esque beta police officer?

theres only lines in vice city stories.

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you guys should check him out, he makes really good videos

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On 4/23/2020 at 6:01 AM, Blaze said:

Recently bought two PSM2 magazines from around the time of VC's launch, the first was simply speculation but the second contained a bunch of early screenshots and an interview with Rockstar. Some of it's old, hopefully some of it's new. I've uploaded the scans to Flickr so if anyone wants to fully check them out feel free, note that some pages have two scans simply because my scanner is A4 and the magazine is slightly larger than A4 so I had to scan them twice to get text on both sides of the page there.

 

94394253_235272264227762_877780523614522

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157714009373862

 

I've also isolated pretty much all of the images from the magazine and uploaded them separately. 34 in total, will put them in the spoiler tag below.

 

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Some things that did initially pop out at me: Do it for love by Hall and Oates was meant to be in the game, swimming wasn't included as "Ultimately, it's a time consuming thing to program that wouldn't add much to the game, unless we put in dedicated swimming missions which wouldn't be very gangster". Gonna give it a proper read through now, just wanted to get it shared ASAP.

speaking of songs, i finally managed to make a estimation on that cut kenny loggins song.

the kenny loggins song that was mentioned in cut dialogue between tommy and lance was footloose,

because its a really poppy/dance song, and because it fits the flash fm vibes, which is one of lances favorite stations.

and it also was released in 1984, which makes ok for a game in 1986.

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So... Mr. @Len Lfc.

Shared a ps2 magazine for Vice city here:

https://imgur.com/a/j9odAmV

It has pictures and everything. One thing I noticed was a purple Idaho with a beige-ish hardtop and a purple sentinel that spawns for the player to drive, in the mission Cop Land.

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The picture in the middle next to the map.

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The picture on the far top right.

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Added a Screen.😀 UPDATE: The lighting made the idaho purple even tho it's blue which is really weird, that goes for the sentinel too. The magazine was from retail copy, but it's interesting
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Here's the updated gallery, with close ups of all the images. If that helps anybody 👍

 

https://imgur.com/a/8Xt04gr

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On 4/23/2020 at 10:22 AM, Blaze said:
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Thanks, magazines like that are only a few £ on eBay so it's no biggie. Missed this screenshot on the contents page:

 

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I also noted the tiki hut area of the house behind El Swanko Casa is different in the final version.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365159421002645515/702903711881625650/unknown.png

 

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God the last screenshot, I've forgot how the PC graphics by default without modding are so ugly. Too plain.

 

On 6/21/2020 at 8:02 AM, Len Lfc said:

Here's the updated gallery, with close ups of all the images. If that helps anybody 👍

 

https://imgur.com/a/8Xt04gr

Thanks for those scans, is really interesting to see the changes between those and the final game. And as always, some places were a lot better in the beta/pre-release game.

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