"Hatred"

[Freakorama]

 

I AM FED UP WITH THIS WHORL.

[Spider-Vice]

Rockstar gotta go fast with Manhunt 3 now

[Creed Bratton]

OK, so how about we discuss the existence of this game like adults now. Provided that there are some on this forum.

 

This is exactly the type of game that the news outlets can't wait to get their hands on. They've been trying to portray all games as murder simulators for years, and now they're about to get the necessary ammo. It would be in the best interest of gamers to boycott this. I am strongly against censorship, so I believe that they can make and release any kind of sh*t they want. But gamers have been trying to prove to the rest of the world that video games don't cause violence, and one of the arguments for that was the context of the actual violence that's going on. The only context in Hatred is killing innocent people because you hate them. Even Manhunt doesn't go that far. It's gruesome yes, but you're not killing innocent people. You're killing a bunch of psychopaths because you don't have a choice. Context matters A LOT. The developers of Hatred even admit that you play as the villain. It's exactly what we don't want games to be portrayed as. You know that most people are stupid and will believe anything they see on TV. This game has a potential of setting back gaming and how people see gamers. So just keep that in mind.

[Coin]

OK, so how about we discuss the existence of this game like adults now. Provided that there are some on this forum.

 

This is exactly the type of game that the news outlets can't wait to get their hands on. They've been trying to portray all games as murder simulators for years, and now they're about to get the necessary ammo. It would be in the best interest of gamers to boycott this. I am strongly against censorship, so I believe that they can make and release any kind of sh*t they want. But gamers have been trying to prove to the rest of the world that video games don't cause violence, and one of the arguments for that was the context of the actual violence that's going on. The only context in Hatred is killing innocent people because you hate them. Even Manhunt doesn't go that far. It's gruesome yes, but you're not killing innocent people. You're killing a bunch of psychopaths because you don't have a choice. Context matters A LOT. The developers of Hatred even admit that you play as the villain. It's exactly what we don't want games to be portrayed as. You know that most people are stupid and will believe anything they see on TV. This game has a potential of setting back gaming and how people see gamers. So just keep that in mind.

 

Boycotting the game because of what the news outlets may or may not say isn't necessarily the best way to approach the subject though. It is a response that does, in essence, admit defeat; that the baseless claims of video games do X, Y or Z might in actuality have an element of truth about them. No, in my humble opinion, it would be the more mature thing to let the game sink or swim on its own merits, as opposed to any attached controversy.

 

I don't understand your villain remark. Are you suggesting that we as gamers don't want villains as protagonists and all the possibilities that come there of? Because I hope not.

[universetwisters]

Imagine Rockstar buying out the developers with the money they made from cash cards and end up renaming this "manhunt 3- columbine anniversary edition" or whatever.

[Creed Bratton]

Boycotting the game because of what the news outlets may or may not say isn't necessarily the best way to approach the subject though. It is a response that does, in essence, admit defeat; that the baseless claims of video games do X, Y or Z might in actuality have an element of truth about them. No, in my humble opinion, it would be the more mature thing to let the game sink or swim on its own merits, as opposed to any attached controversy.

 

 

I don't understand your villain remark. Are you suggesting that we as gamers don't want villains as protagonists and all the possibilities that come there of? Because I hope not.

It will probably sink anyway. And I'm not talking about a vocal boycott and protest. Just ignore it. Let it fade into oblivion.

 

As far as playing as a villain goes. I'm referring to the idea of playing with a character that you cannot identify with at all, on any level. Whenever the game puts you in the position of playing a villain, it's actually an anti-hero. Definitely not a good guy, but the context of his actions make him somewhat sympathetic. This game and Postal are the only exceptions that I know of. And Postal does it in a humorous way.

[Coin]

 

It will probably sink anyway. And I'm not talking about a vocal boycott and protest. Just ignore it. Let it fade into oblivion.

 

As far as playing as a villain goes. I'm referring to the idea of playing with a character that you cannot identify with at all, on any level. Whenever the game puts you in the position of playing a villain, it's actually an anti-hero. Definitely not a good guy, but the context of his actions make him somewhat sympathetic. This game and Postal are the only exceptions that I know of. And Postal does it in a humorous way.

 

 

Fair enough. I would agree with the notion that it'll probably sink anyway, as well. Certainly so if the entirety of the game is "angry guy, go kill people" and that's all there is to it. To me, that essentially is the representation of the "What happens if I do this.." question that arises in other games that allow you to kill innocent civilians (GTA, The Elder Scrolls are two primarily) but doesn't necessarily reward or direct you to do so (sometimes even penalizing you). As it stands, that isn't a whole lot of substance for a video game.

 

Okay, I can see where you are coming. Personally I'd like to see more games, so long as they are done well, that present a villain as the protagonist rather than an anti-hero. Be that serious, humorous or some middle ground between the two. Dungeon Keeper and Evil Genius are two games I had in mind, where you are undoubtedly playing as a villain, though admittedly those fall more on the humorous scale (more so Evil Genius than Dungeon Keeper in that regard) with most of your most dastardly actions occurring off screen. There's still a lot of uncharted territory in this domain and I don't think we should hold back from exploring it just because of potential controversy. Having said that, I don't think Hatred will be a game that provides a positive effect in that particular endeavor, if only because the trope (angry at the world, time to kill everyone) doesn't have a lot of mileage or longevity in it.

[Aby]

I understand where The Yokel is coming from, it's like comparing GTA to Sleeping Dogs. You have free will to go on a rampage in Sleeping Dogs, killing innocent people and police officers but I never did due to the fact that you play as an undercover cop in Sleeping Dogs. It just didn't feel right to me, same with playing as Aiden Pearce in Watch Dogs, the game rewarding you for keeping civilians safe, causing as least damage as possible. Hatred is completely different though, as the whole base of the game is unleashing the main character's anger out on innocent people through death and destruction.

 

Do I think it should be banned though? Absolutely not, as I firmly stand by video games not causing violence. If I had a kid though, they certainly wouldn't be playing this game until they're at least 17, based off everything in the trailer. I honestly think the developers just made it because they knew they were going to attract lots of attention, and more attention equals more sales. It's pretty smart when you think about it.

[Shane_Dbns]

809k views and 14k comments on youtube already. Pretty good marketing if do say so myself. I think this game deserves a joker meme.

 

"Kill thousands of people in GTA, nobody bats an eye. Make a game about killing thousands of people and everybody loses their minds"

 

Edit:

I do agree with Yokel though. Making a game where the main aim is to kill people in the most violent way possible does kinda promote the idea that games can make you a serial killer. At least in games like GTA and Watch_dogs you can go the entire game without hurting a civillian because the game doesn't give you any incentive to do so. I don't think this game should be banned. Its rated 18 and rightly so. Its meant for adults who can tell the difference between real life and a video game.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Dbns_Finest

[theworldfamous]

No problem with the game itself..it doesn't appeal to me because I'm not a frustrated teen. Part of me respects an uncompromising approach to violence in media. It most doesn't appeal because it doesn't look interesting. I like my comfortable layers of dick jokes, shiny cars and yoga.

 

But the team behind this is proudly rocking polish right wing nationalist shirts..which makes me doubt their motivations. Right wing mutters always hide behind this apolitical free speech stance which is bullsh*t.

 

We're not making a statement? Were neutral? Bullsh*t. This game in this climate is a statement.

[B Dawg]

 

 

I AM FED UP WITH THIS WHORL.

I treat you like a princess, and you stab me in the back. You betray me. Now you die!

Edited October 18, 2014 by B Dawg

[fefenc]

I was roaming through a gaming site and I've found this trailer from the game that's very similar to portal 1, I watched it and I got amazed by it because it makes GTA look like a game for kids, it can be a good relaxative after a troubled day :0

 

The problem is that some hypocrital moralists are bashing the game and it won't take too much longer to the media talk about violent games again, I think Hatred is in the same situation as GTA was one day.

 

I'm looking for the release date, oh and there was a funny comment on the video made by an hater kid that can be used as a slogan to the future game trailers:

 

It is by a mile, the worst thing since the holocaust.

Edited October 18, 2014 by fefenc

[Theodore93]

The opening monologue of the trailer is lame. The whole "I hate everyone" plot is lame and unnecessary. When did Jackie Estacado become such a whiny douchebag?

 

The gameplay on the other hand actually looks quite entertaining. I approve of games like this in general though. As someone who believes that there is no such thing as "too far", I really approve of anything that pushes the perceived boundaries of what is acceptable in media. Of course, what's more important is whether or not the game is any good or not, which i hope it is, but i still appreciate the idea.

 

I reckon it'll probably be too small a game to make any real news in the mainstream media. It might show up here and there but it's not GTA so not many will give a sh*t. I'm sure most of the gaming media will love to hate it but that's because they are largely a bunch of namby-pamby social justice warrior types these days. If anything, this kind of game is basically giving these folk the middle finger which is great. Of course if they really want to piss off the journalists and the feminazis holding their leashes, then it's simple. Rape. Give the player the ability to rape victims and watch people on the interwebs go ballistic. That would be f*cking hilarious.

 

Anyway, as I said. Looks fun, hopefully it actually is.

[X S]

You know what gets me? The narrative is so laughable that it has to be a joke. It's like something an angsty and edgy 12 year old would say, or some anti-social teenager that watches videos of mushroom clouds on YouTube. I literally burst out laughing at how stupid the narrative was.

[Aby]

You know what gets me? The narrative is so laughable that it has to be a joke. It's like something an angsty and edgy 12 year old would say, or some anti-social teenager that watches videos of mushroom clouds on YouTube. I literally burst out laughing at how stupid the narrative was.

 

I've watched the trailer a few times just for the narrative making me literally laugh out loud.

[B Dawg]

When did Jackie Estacado become such a whiny douchebag?

He was a sad whiny douchebag in Darkness 2. 'Wah my girlfriend is dead I can't get over it, pull out intestines of other people, whine' That's whining, not this It was done so much better in the First Darkness though. You were fueled by revenge, not the eternal desire to save or be back with the bitch.

 

Seriously, if they ever make a Darkness 3, I want to BE the Darkness, The Puppetmaster, not be controlled by the Darkness as a goody two shoes character.

Edited October 18, 2014 by B Dawg

[Ducard]

From what I heard, it's their first game, so it seems to be an attention grab more than anything and a lot of people are falling for it.

[fefenc]

I'm already seeing GTA modders modifing this game to change the protagonist to Eddie Low

[Theodore93]

 

When did Jackie Estacado become such a whiny douchebag?

He was a sad whiny douchebag in Darkness 2. 'Wah my girlfriend is dead I can't get over it, pull out intestines of other people, whine' That's whining, not this It was done so much better in the First Darkness though. You were fueled by revenge, not the eternal desire to save or be back with the bitch.

 

Yeah, that's true. He is a bit whiny in the second one - or was he just insane? I can't remember.

I was really just thinking of Jackie from the first one when I wrote it. Also I was just joking.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Waldie

[kipakolonyasi]

Grand Theft Manhunt.

Grand Manhunt Smash TV

[El Dildo]

controversy aside, it just doesn't even look good.

it looks boring.

 

top-down, isometric gameplay in black and white.

 

meh.

[B Dawg]

in black and white

Atmosphere

[El Dildo]

The Saboteur had atmosphere.

 

this game is garbage masquerading as a cheap art project.

[Stephan90]

Maybe you should read this first and think twice about who you would support with your money if you buy this game.

 

http://f*cknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis

[Coin]

Maybe you should read this first and think twice about who you would support with your money if you buy this game.

 

http://f*cknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis

 

Maybe you should read the thread before posting a link that was already posted and (partially) addressed.

[Stephan90]

 

Maybe you should read this first and think twice about who you would support with your money if you buy this game.

 

http://f*cknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis

 

Maybe you should read the thread before posting a link that was already posted and (partially) addressed.

 

 

I have overlooked the link. I would never buy this game even if it was better than GTA V.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Stephan90

[B Dawg]

Speaking of Jackie Estacado reminded me of The Darkness's awesome soundtrack

 

 

 

Too bad my PS3 is dead, I would love to go on another killing spree in that game while listening to this.

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

The trailer was funny and made me want to get it but then I saw the Neo Nazi post.

[X S]

So what? A few guys involved in the development of the game have some super conservative views, and we go as far as to label them neo-nazis? That's such a straw-man tactic.

[Ash_735]

It's kinda like Hotline Miami, ...without the quickness, and the neon art, and the style, and the kick ass soundtrack, but in a twin stick shooter style.