Killing is Okay, Destroying Cars is Not?

[houstoneagle]

ZeusMowat_278, on 06 Oct 2014 - 8:37 PM, said:

I prefer no bad sport warning for destroying cars like in 1.16

 

and no having to pay insurance unless unoccupied

 

GRINCH ASS BITCH, on 06 Oct 2014 - 8:52 PM, said:

Bad Sport has always been a terrible system. Remember the thread about the two level 100s spawn raping a level 6 with heavy snipers? That's perfectly fine, but sticky bomb a car that's chasing you down and OH NO, BAD GUY, YOU'RE BEING A BAD PERSON!!!!!

 

Rockstar's incompetence is laughable.

 

it's inconsistent and unfair, you're right

 

saintsrow, on 07 Oct 2014 - 12:22 AM, said:

GTA0 should have a hair trigger that dumps players into Bad Sport just as soon as they start acting like an asshole, killing or harassing other players. Bad Sport should consist of a continuous 5 star wanted level.

 

GTAO should have a hair trigger that dumps players who whine about others killing them into Bad Sport. Bad Sport should consist of being run over continuously while in passive by a Zentorno while you have nothing to climb up onto. Plus fire trucks spraying you like a dog sprays a fire hydrant.

 

NBAKingzFan10, on 07 Oct 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

 

LA_Takers, on 06 Oct 2014 - 7:54 PM, said:

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

 

 

Unfortunately, the latest update includes destroying an OCCUPIED PV as identically "bad sport" plus $10,000 fine, not just unoccupied PV.

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:

Or you could just stop being a dick and not blow up cars if you dont have to.

Ive never been sent to BS and im quick to RPG/sticky vehicles that decide to bother me

 

Blowing you up in your car is as legitimate as machine gunning you in your car. I shouldn't have to pay $10k to kill you just because you happen to be in your car.

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

 

minifat, on 07 Oct 2014 - 01:13 AM, said:

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:

Or you could just stop being a dick and not blow up cars if you dont have to.
Ive never been sent to BS and im quick to RPG/sticky vehicles that decide to bother me

NO! GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!

You must have a high insurance bill

 

 

Since this latest update, I'm sure he does. The people who say oh I don't mind the insurance aren't adding up all the amounts. This piles up quickly, especially if you're a sticky bomb artist like me.

 

cjdavies, on 07 Oct 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

On foot, player in cars comes to run you over or whatever, you RPG them, bad sport and pay insurance, makes sense!!

 

Exactly, it doesn't make any sense.

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 02:05 AM, said:

You guys act like you are automatically whisked away to bad sport if you blow up a PV...or even 5 PVs.

Insurance and BS arent serious if you arent indiscriminately destroying vehicles.

If its a problem for you, you're probably being a dick

 

I don't want to pay even once if I'm blowing up a PV, as long as you're in or right next to it when I do. I agree you should pay insurance in all other cases for destroying a PV.

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 02:51 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 02:26 AM, said:

 

theaimpolice4, on 07 Oct 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 02:08 AM, said:

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:
1) gets BS points for destroying your PV
2) gets BS points for killing PM player
3) pays car insurance
4) pays medical

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

and if your being antagonized by another player you can
1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points
2) blow up their car and leave the scene

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

 

 

Correction: If bad guy is in his car in ACTIVE mode and gets blown up, you still have all those terrible things happen to you except paying the medical.

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

LukeMayhem, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

 

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

 

Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:
1) gets BS points for destroying your PV
2) gets BS points for killing PM player
3) pays car insurance
4) pays medical

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

and if your being antagonized by another player you can
1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points
2) blow up their car and leave the scene

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

 

BTW I dont condone blowing up PVs.

 

 

Neither do I, unless a player is in or right next to one.

 

Feurian42, on 07 Oct 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Just had a thought, if you destroy someone else's car it should cost triple, for pain and suffering and you pay the medical bill. C4 someone else's Zentorno with them in it = $20k

 

No.

 

lol232, on 07 Oct 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

I don't mind paying the insurance, I do, however, mind being bad sported.

 

I mind both. Is that OK?

 

LA_Takers, on 07 Oct 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

 

HollywoodVice, on 07 Oct 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

Yeah sure, no consequences for your bullsh*t behavior...

Tween entitlement at its finest.

Paying insurance is enough in most cases, but I would support increasing the payment to say $10,000 automatically as a minimum.

 

 

It basically already is. When discussing this issue, we should differentiate between unoccupied and occupied (standing next to PV counts as occupied). This is how it was before the last update.

 

Kahkenbols, on 07 Oct 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

 

saintsrow, on 07 Oct 2014 - 05:40 AM, said:

 

NBAKingzFan10, on 07 Oct 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

 

LA_Takers, on 06 Oct 2014 - 7:54 PM, said:

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

 

Clear, concise, rational, great explanation.

 

But in other words, what is also clear is that GTAO game design is an embarrassment to the whole field of online games, given its one dimensional, simple-minded, basically brain-dead focus on 24/7 killing and griefing, with an almost complete lack of other obvious alternative game modes that should have been implemented. What the hell were they thinking???

 

 

What if someone is shooting at you from within their car. Shouldn't that clear you of any wrongdoing if you blow them up? It fits under the you're just killing the player incentive but used an RPG to do it and they happened to be in their PV. Bad sport for PV destruction should not count if the player is in the car. Update 1.16 had it right. They should just let passive mode ghost out your car like a non-contact race, you can't hit other players or pvs, but AI and objects can still damage you. IF passive worked for the players PV we wouldn't even have a need for any of this insurance or BS penalties.

 

I cosign that, that's a great post.

[BLVDKillz]

I kinda think it is stupid since you can keep killing someone in a tank nothing happens but blowing someones car no no they dont like that and you get bad sport even though you're paying for the car but in passive mode yes you pay a medical bill but its like $200 - $500 compare to 100k car.

 

Btw the price could be higher for the medical bill since i haven't been on for a while.

[MikeyBelic]

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action?

 

Killing causes players to potentially: lose money, lose ammo, and spawn in a different spot.

 

Destroying personal vehicles causes players to: call Mors Mutual Insurance, call their mechanic to bring it back to them.

 

To be clear my argument is that neither of these actions should be punished, not that both of them should be.

 

And it's okay for players to constantly fork out 10k to fix there cars when some 14 year old who spends his time blowing peoples cars up constantly for his own retarded satisfication?

 

It's fair. You lose $500 cash when you die if you're HOLDING cash. Bank it. It's annoying to have people kill you when you're trying to do something but that's just how it happens. Use passive mode if it annoys you that much. Not a perfect solution but it's good enough, most grievers won't bother coming after you if they see that stamp of disapproval.

[God-eater]

it should come back!!

 

last night i did rooftop rumble and one of my fellow players in a zentorno attacked me while i was delivering the documents, he used the backup trick, i shot at him through his windshield but it didn't damage his health and he killed me, when i respawned he ran me down and parked on me, i died again, it seems he didn't know or care that if you took your time in delivering the documents you get paid more, sorry if i went off topic.

 

Well, FF is off on missions, so there's not a whole lot you can do about that except get in a car of your own or get off the ground. I try to be on foot as little as possible on missions - when I am on foot I assume any other player in a car that comes near me is going to try to run me over and take preventative measures.

 

I don't accept rides on missions because they'll drive out to the hills, throw you out and try to run you over. Sit there and honk all you like - I'm not getting in. I'll steal a compact from an NPC rather than get into another player's Zentorno.

 

I never get into non-objective aircraft with other players because every other time the pilot will deliberately crash the plane to kill the passengers (and that should so not count as a kill - just encourages stat-padders to do it - and makes A Titan of a Job an annoying gamble every time - "Will he land it or plow into a building to get the 5 free kills for his K/D?").

 

In nutshell, my biggest problem with GTA is other players - it's why for the most part I have nothing to do with any of you. My opinion literally could not be lower, and the only reason I allow randoms on Missions is because they soak up bullets and save me ammo costs. I have no expectation that they will be competent, pursue the goal, know what to do, not be idiots, not deliberately fail the mission - in fact, I just assume that every random GTA payer I meet is the most unskilled, most annoying, most pointlessly trollish scrub to ever survive their own abortion, who will take any and every opportunity to try to make me angry. It saves me so much time.

 

Of course, R* is just encouraging the behavior by allowing players to shoot from their PV's, wrapped in a $5-$10K shield.

[LonerStoner97]

 

They have to change it back, this bad sport warning 20 times a game is getting old.

 

Man. You explode 2 players at the same time and your entire television screen fills up with those black notification boxes.

First, Rockstar needs to tell me who I killed. Then, they need to inform me that my mental status is raising. Then, they need to tell me that I need to stop being a Bad Sport.

Then, they call my actual house to tell me there wasn't enough room on my television screen to tell me everything they had to tell me.

LOL!!

[Accendo]

There are consequences to one's actions. The most common argument against Bad Sport is that this is a game of mayhem.

This may be true for you. It is undoubtedly not true for some other players.

Either way,the game leaves you that choice. You have to be a pretty big dick to be in bad sport nowadays. Unless you're choosing "blow their car up" as your go-to move for every encounter then you should be able to play as you want without ending up there.

I blow people up all the time and I haven't been in bad sport since shortly after launch because that isn't the only thing I do.

[minifat]

They're called BS points for a reason.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

my car is honestly a good place to be in when tanks and jets are hunting

simply because people miught risk being put were they belong

[Dirty80s]

 

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

You must be really stupid if believe in the bull crap you wrote.