Killing is Okay, Destroying Cars is Not?

[theaimpolice4]

Or you could just stop being a dick and not blow up cars if you dont have to.

 

Ive never been sent to BS and im quick to RPG/sticky vehicles that decide to bother me

[minifat]

Or you could just stop being a dick and not blow up cars if you dont have to.

 

Ive never been sent to BS and im quick to RPG/sticky vehicles that decide to bother me

NO! GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!

[theaimpolice4]

 

Or you could just stop being a dick and not blow up cars if you dont have to.

Ive never been sent to BS and im quick to RPG/sticky vehicles that decide to bother me

 

NO! GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!

 

You must have a high insurance bill

[cjdavies]

On foot, player in cars comes to run you over or whatever, you RPG them, bad sport and pay insurance, makes sense!!

[theaimpolice4]

You guys act like you are automatically whisked away to bad sport if you blow up a PV...or even 5 PVs.

 

Insurance and BS arent serious if you arent indiscriminately destroying vehicles.

 

If its a problem for you, you're probably being a dick

[LukeMayhem]

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.

But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

Edited October 7, 2014 by LukeMayhem

[theaimpolice4]

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

[LukeMayhem]

 

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

 

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

[theaimpolice4]

 

 

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

 

Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

 

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:

1) gets BS points for destroying your PV

2) gets BS points for killing PM player

3) pays car insurance

4) pays medical

 

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

 

and if your being antagonized by another player you can

1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points

2) blow up their car and leave the scene

 

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

 

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

[anybodykilla]

I just pour gas on someones car and light it up using my super car muffler,

No bs warnings for a long time.

[LukeMayhem]

 

 

 

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

 

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

 

 

Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

 

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:

1) gets BS points for destroying your PV

2) gets BS points for killing PM player

3) pays car insurance

4) pays medical

 

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

 

and if your being antagonized by another player you can

1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points

2) blow up their car and leave the scene

 

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

 

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

 

BTW I dont condone blowing up PVs.

[saintsrow]

 

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

 

Clear, concise, rational, great explanation.

 

But in other words, what is also clear is that GTAO game design is an embarrassment to the whole field of online games, given its one dimensional, simple-minded, basically brain-dead focus on 24/7 killing and griefing, with an almost complete lack of other obvious alternative game modes that should have been implemented. What the hell were they thinking???

Edited October 7, 2014 by saintsrow

[Feurian42]

In truth R* don't care what you do. They only put a price on destroying cars so you need money, thus encouraging the purchase of cash cards, bs is only in the game to disguise that fact.

[Mathew442]

I don't destroy Supercars because I don't have millions of dollars to waste. But I have no problem destroying cheaper vehicles. Like if someone is chasing me and I kill them, I will blow up their vehicle so I get a headstart escaping while they have to get their vehicle back.

[Feurian42]

Just had a thought, if you destroy someone else's car it should cost triple, for pain and suffering and you pay the medical bill. C4 someone else's Zentorno with them in it = $20k

[hyperar]

I don't understand the big deal with bad sport, i mean, if you go to the bad sport lobby is to join people like you, that enjoys playing like you, so, what's the problem?, is the "bad sport" title?, would you stop crying if we call you "criminal" or other "cool" name?

In truth R* don't care what you do. They only put a price on destroying cars so you need money, thus encouraging the purchase of cash cards, bs is only in the game to disguise that fact.

 

This is the most stupid comment ever.

[hugh750]

 

1.16 was, by far, the coolest update, just because they got rid of Bad Sport for blowing up personal vehicles if the owner was inside them.

That's gone? Damn, I liked that one - in one shot it put an end tho the old "drive backwards in a PV with no rear-window" trick. Guess that will be coming back with a vengeance.

 

it should come back!!

last night i did rooftop rumble and one of my fellow players in a zentorno attacked me while i was delivering the documents, he used the backup trick, i shot at him through his windshield but it didn't damage his health and he killed me, when i respawned he ran me down and parked on me, i died again, it seems he didn't know or care that if you took your time in delivering the documents you get paid more, sorry if i went off topic.

[Solo Wing Pixy]

 

 

 

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:

1) gets BS points for destroying your PV

2) gets BS points for killing PM player

3) pays car insurance

4) pays medical

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

and if your being antagonized by another player you can

1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points

2) blow up their car and leave the scene

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

Uhh you realise this is GTA right? Where we steal cars, kill players and blow up sh*t cars. This isn't be-a-civilised-person-who-does-boring-sh*t game. Edited October 7, 2014 by Alectfenrir

[LA_Takers]

I don't understand the big deal with bad sport, i mean, if you go to the bad sport lobby is to join people like you, that enjoys playing like you, so, what's the problem?, is the "bad sport" title?, would you stop crying if we call you "criminal" or other "cool" name?

 

 

In truth R* don't care what you do. They only put a price on destroying cars so you need money, thus encouraging the purchase of cash cards, bs is only in the game to disguise that fact.

This is the most stupid comment ever.

Bad sport is still an undesirable punishment because it causes poor matchmaking due to the extremely low population.

 

Also, you can end up in bad sport after a few rampages, but that doesn't mean you always want to play that aggressively.

[theaimpolice4]

 

 

 

 

'You should not f%#k with another mans automobile' Very true.But its GTA, a video game?? So blowing up a PV is bad, but allowing you to be killed in a vehicle while in passive mode is ok??? R* logic again.

i thought if someone killed you in passive mode they pay your medical bills in addition to BS points

Doesnt stop them from doing it but.

Much like IRL, jail is a deterrent to crime but doesnt mean you cant get mugged while walking home.

So if your in PM in your car and get blown up, the aggressor:

1) gets BS points for destroying your PV

2) gets BS points for killing PM player

3) pays car insurance

4) pays medical

thats a pretty acceptable punishment for being a douche.

and if your being antagonized by another player you can

1) shoot them thru the windshield avoiding any costs or points

2) blow up their car and leave the scene

insurance bills are easily recouped in a mission.

If you wanna be a douche, by all means be a douche. But dont be a douche and try to also play the victim

Uhh you realise this is GTA right? Where we steal cars, kill players and blow up sh*t cars. This isn't be-a-civilised-person-who-does-boring-sh*t game.

i never said dont have fun the way you want, just dont complain when you get BS for playing your way and having your type of fun

[meatrocket8]

[lol232]

I don't mind paying the insurance, I do, however, mind being bad sported.

[HollywoodVice]

Yeah sure, no consequences for your bullsh*t behavior...

 

Tween entitlement at its finest.

[LA_Takers]

Yeah sure, no consequences for your bullsh*t behavior...

 

Tween entitlement at its finest.

Paying insurance is enough in most cases, but I would support increasing the payment to say $10,000 automatically as a minimum.

[Ziggy_Ivanhoe]

 

 

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

 

Clear, concise, rational, great explanation.

 

But in other words, what is also clear is that GTAO game design is an embarrassment to the whole field of online games, given its one dimensional, simple-minded, basically brain-dead focus on 24/7 killing and griefing, with an almost complete lack of other obvious alternative game modes that should have been implemented. What the hell were they thinking???

 

 

What if someone is shooting at you from within their car. Shouldn't that clear you of any wrongdoing if you blow them up? It fits under the you're just killing the player incentive but used an RPG to do it and they happened to be in their PV. Bad sport for PV destruction should not count if the player is in the car. Update 1.16 had it right. They should just let passive mode ghost out your car like a non-contact race, you can't hit other players or pvs, but AI and objects can still damage you. IF passive worked for the players PV we wouldn't even have a need for any of this insurance or BS penalties.

[tator1]

The game is rated M for a reason.

[NBAKingzFan10]

This should sum up bad sport quite nicely:

There are so few things that give you a bad sport warning, that it should be easy enough to just not do them. Otherwise, you know the consequences and still made the choice soooo...

Edited October 7, 2014 by NBAKingzFan10

[Itzik_Maflitzik]

Rockstar's logic. Deal with it.

[garvdart]

 

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action?

Killing causes players to potentially: lose money, lose ammo, and spawn in a different spot.

Destroying personal vehicles causes players to: call Mors Mutual Insurance, call their mechanic to bring it back to them.

To be clear my argument is that neither of these actions should be punished, not that both of them should be.

 

The online element of this game is designed to suck your GTA$ from you.

The biggest ways of doing so:

Buying a car and upgrading it to the maximum, spending far more than you paid for the car...

 

"Well that's only if you buy all the cosmetic crap, just armor, bulletproof tires, turbo + transmission."

Selling that car and getting a fraction of the money you put into back.

 

"Try selling a car in real life, 3 minutes after buying one it's value is dropped."

 

Destruction of personal vehicles. whether someone else's or your own.

" oh no guess it's time to get out of free roam and play a mission,race, deathmatches and get paid"

 

Being murdered by cops with just a one-star wanted level. The cost of medical bills is ridiculous.

 

"Learn how too avoid police, it's called evasive driving"

 

Bounties, muggers, and mercenaries. These are emotion-based reaction services designed to spend your GTA$. Ever have one fail? Exactly.

 

"Then don't use them"

 

Joining jobs. You do know that when you join a job you're charged a fee, right? Right? Yeah.

 

" $200 bucks chump change, Rob a store and earn 10x that at minimum, or steal a baller and make $10k"

 

I could keep this list going for house, but you get the overall point: the game is designed to make you need more money to keep playing. Yes, it's about cash cards.

"Rank 370 ish and I have over 3million legit, all the toys, seriously stop the cash card conspiracy crap, every single game out there has some form of money sink in it, diablo 3 armor repair ? Crafting. World of war craft same, skyrim , dead rising, dead island....too name a few.

 

Get out of free roam shenanigans and play some missions, jobs etc and you earn far more, and never ever have too buy a cash card. Personally if you want too kill/ blow stuff up join a mission like mixed up with coke, or a deathmatch that has forced and pickup since it doesn't use your ammo.

 

Avoiding bad sport lobby is so freaking easy if you join cooperative missions and or team based play every once and awhile it wipes the slate clean. Keeping an eye on your player status also helps.

 

Clean player. = have fun do what you want.

 

Dodgy player, stop blowing stuff up, don't quit jobs that are started, and avoid getting reported.

Edited October 7, 2014 by garvdart

[garvdart]

 

 

What fundamental differences between killing players and destroying their personal vehicles justifies R* punishing only the latter action

 

The distinction lies in that there is innate incentive to kill players by way of gun skins and KDRs. There is absolutely no reason to destroy an unoccupied PV and there is no inherent reward for doing so. Hence the latter action is seen as unnecessary and falls within the "bad sport" category, whereas the earlier is a rewarded part of the game and therefore goes unpunished.

 

Clear, concise, rational, great explanation.

 

But in other words, what is also clear is that GTAO game design is an embarrassment to the whole field of online games, given its one dimensional, simple-minded, basically brain-dead focus on 24/7 killing and griefing, with an almost complete lack of other obvious alternative game modes that should have been implemented. What the hell were they thinking???

Wait, let's see races, gta races, rally races, tennis, golf, darts, arm wrestling, skydiving, no killing needed.

 

PvP Killing included, deathmatch, team deathmatch, contend, capture, raid.

 

Player vs computer co-op missions, survival's.

 

Content Creator

 

I think there's plenty too do online, and there is more too come.