Why I feel that GTA IV does not have great gameplay at all...

[Osho]

But about the toll thing. It was not forced, you wouldn't get it on screen. You didn't have to go to the toll in order to not have your health away for example. You wouldn't get a message saying: "You didn't payed for the toll! Now you must go to us and pay it'' .02 The toll thing made the game more realistic. My take.

You make no sense at all. Tolls and Food both function differently to pop up, any warning.

Why would a Toll booth pop up a warning to pay them? Unless, I'm willing to cross the bridge.

Food warnings aren't a major pain. How busy are you that you can't spare few seconds to eat?

There! You wont receive any warnings, if you aren't willing to criticize everything blindly, and develop enough understanding to feed yourselves, that's common sense, let alone realistic/not!

If you're so sensitive enough to read simple pop ups, which can be completely avoided, then it's you, who is at fault. Don't blame the game.

[Wolfhuman]

 

But about the toll thing. It was not forced, you wouldn't get it on screen. You didn't have to go to the toll in order to not have your health away for example. You wouldn't get a message saying: "You didn't payed for the toll! Now you must go to us and pay it'' .02 The toll thing made the game more realistic. My take.

You make no sense at all. Tolls and Food both function differently to pop up, any warning.

Why would a Toll booth pop up a warning to pay them? Unless, I'm willing to cross the bridge.

Food warnings aren't a major pain. How busy are you that you can't spare few seconds to eat?

There! You wont receive any warnings, if you aren't willing to criticize everything blindly, and develop enough understanding to feed yourselves, that's common sense, let alone realistic/not!

If you're so sensitive enough to read simple pop ups, which can be completely avoided, then it's you, who is at fault. Don't blame the game.

 

 

Damn dude, no need to be so cold on it.

 

You said that you didn't liked toll but that is something different than getting a message every now and then. So you were the one that didn't made sense by bringing that up.

Toll and the food thing are two complexly different things. Do you have every now and then a message that you missed your toll payment? No, but with the food thing you will get a message

 

It isn't fun to play and get pop ups that you are losing muscle. I played San Andreas close to release, do you think that it is fun to play the game for 5 years and for 5 years almost everyday you get a pop up saying that you lost muscle or that you have to eat? No. Such thing you get don't with toll.

 

If you play it everyday (like i did) it gets annoying at some point. And there is no way to stop those messages and if you don't listen you will die. I am not busy, but i don't want to go to the Burger shot everyday for 5 years just to eat dude lol.

[Osho]

Those warnings/pop ups can be easily avoided, that's what I'm trying to say; PLAY SMARTLY!

You are anyway visiting them, either before starting a mission, or if you are injured or if you're low in health during missions. It fills up the cycle, and doesn't bother you for the next 48 hours.

Restaurants/hot dogs in IV are just pointless, since it doesn't motivate the player to visit them, outside when hurt or low on health.

In SA, it takes just a little effort, and serves a reason to visit them, which are enough of them to easily access, and put it to use.

Anyways, let's end it here.

[Wolfhuman]

Those warnings/pop ups can be easily avoided, that's what I'm trying to say; PLAY SMARTLY!

You are anyway visiting them, either before starting a mission, or if you are injured or if you're low in health during missions. It fills up the cycle, and doesn't bother you for the next 48 hours.

Restaurants/hot dogs in IV are just pointless, since it doesn't motivate the player to visit them, outside when hurt or low on health.

In SA, it takes just a little effort, and serves a reason to visit them, which are enough of them to easily access, and put it to use.

Anyways, let's end it here.

 

But then you have to eat it and go to burger shots just to avoid it, technically the same principle. It maybe doesn't motivate the player but the player can go there to have his health up.

I do appreciate your like for the health thing and the thinking.

 

But yes, let's end it. End of the line lol.

[LeonTheKiller]

You do remember that 1 in-game hour is exactly 1 IRL minute, right? 48 minutes while playing SA is worth from the first mission to the countryside missions.

 

It's a nice addition, but in PS2 interior loading times are awful in SA. And there's no hot-dog vendors like in IV.

?? http://gta.wikia.com/Vendors

 

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[donnits]

SA is my second favorite GTA game, but i got to admit, if you have an OCD about things like i do - feeding him appropriately without getting too fat or too skinny was kinda annoying. That was a realistic addition in the most unrealistic game in the series (which is not an insult to the game). I still love the game, i'm just saying that i get where SoL is coming from. And paying tolls is very much so different. You just have to slow down, wait 2 seconds and you're done. No OCD about. If it bothers you so much, you can even use a bike to go in between the tolls to skip it entirely. Or, pull up your phone if you're in a car to bypass the paying animation. I do the phone trick every time i'm in a car, as it cuts down the waiting period drastically.

My two cents.

Edited October 6, 2014 by thekillerdonuts

[Lethal Vaccine]

Krampet and KillerDonuts did bring up a good point about the toll booths. It's true, and I only learned about this tbh last week. You can just drive through the middle of the Toll Booths connecting both sides, thus avoiding to pay and you never get a wanted level, either. It doesn't JUST work with motorcycles, you can even do it with cars, but they gotta kinda be skinny. Even a Turismo, Schafter, Sentinel, etc fits through there easily. You gotta kinda slow down though when using a car, cuz it is a tight squeeze and you don't want to hit the pole that is kinda right in front of the entrance and fly through the windshield or flip the car, etc...

[Wolfhuman]

Krampet and KillerDonuts did bring up a good point about the toll booths. It's true, and I only learned about this tbh last week. You can just drive through the middle of the Toll Booths connecting both sides, thus avoiding to pay and you never get a wanted level, either. It doesn't JUST work with motorcycles, you can even do it with cars, but they gotta kinda be skinny. Even a Turismo, Schafter, Sentinel, etc fits through there easily. You gotta kinda slow down though when using a car, cuz it is a tight squeeze and you don't want to hit the pole that is kinda right in front of the entrance and fly through the windshield or flip the car, etc...

 

Dude, it's only like $5, lol. C'mon now .

[Lethal Vaccine]

I don't buy hotdogs or anything, either. I just go to safehouse and save....Full health again.

 

I see where Osho is coming from in San Andreas. It might have "forced" you to do it "eventually" (buy food), but it was allowing you to use the Burger Shots and Cluckin' Bells which Rockstar took time to put into the game.

 

In IV, there might be burger and hotdog stands, but like I said, I save the game to fix my health, 100% of the time. If you look in my stats at Burgers or Hotdogs eaten, it says 0.

 

As for guns/ammo and armor, I just called Jacob, and the same in TLaD, I just called Terry, lol...TBoGT is coming next in the coming days. First finishing TLaD and am 96.67% so far...Just got 50 Pigeons to kill and I'll do those tomorrow.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Militia

[Kampret]

@_Douglas_: Damn! I completely forgot about those.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

You're completely missing the point. I don't have a problem with food itself. In GTA IV you can buy hotdogs, burgers etc to restore health, but the difference is Niko's health won't deplete if he isn't fed after a certain amount of time. That's all I'm trying to say. I didn't like feeding CJ once every 48 hours game and it wasn't because I was lazy. It was just a stupid and pointless prerequisite that didn't serve anything to the gameplay.

I didn't like paying the toll either, every time and it wasn't because I'm lazy. It was just a stupid and pointless prerequisite that didn't serve anything to the gameplay, too.

The difference you don't see, is the players freedom to feed only once every 48 game hours, which can be done EASILY!

Also, you won't die instantly, rather start losing wait slowly, and gradually depleting CJ's health, giving you enough time to feed him.

No way, I'm going to buy any argument against it. It simply isn't game breaker, nor makes it a chore, unlike paying toll, EACH TIME. There is no easy room to avoid it, unless I change the vehicles, or simply pick the wanted level and lose it.

Tolls were present in GTA SA, but did you pay even once?

No. Simple as that.

 

 

Your argument is flawed as f*ck. If you don't mind having to go to a restaurant to feed CJ than why is paying a simple toll such a game breaker? Both principles are the same aren't they?

 

As for the restaurants in GTA IV being pointless I guess the restaurants in VC are pointless too.

[Osho]

If you don't mind having to go to a restaurant to feed CJ than why is paying a simple toll such a game breaker? Both principles are the same aren't they?02As for the restaurants in GTA IV being pointless I guess the restaurants in VC are pointless too.

I'm not sure why are you not able to catch a simple point.

Food isn't a problem for me, in the grand scheme of thing(s). GTA SA gives me a lot, to the point, that I'm overwhelmed, with the kind of gameplay at display, which doesn't suck for my taste... or leave you feeling disappointed within few hours after finishing the story, freeroaming around the Liberty City.

It just bored the f*ck out of me, and gave me no good reasons, why I shouldn't feel annoyed?

But, you are still not going to admit the glaring flaws about everything outside the story, and technical marvel at display in GTA IV.

I can ignore food, gym, or anything as long as the overall gameplay is tailored specifically for the players who want to have fun, and enjoy the sandbox gameplay. Its a monumental task to achieve. But, the gameplay of SA is f*cking spot on, with a decent enjoyable story that's just an additional part to this mind blowing game.

Its very much easy for me, to not cry about such mini issues, which aren't big deal for me, at all!

I can deal with it. But, if you cannot. I already said, its completely fine!

As regards to the toll, I was only trying to picture a simple irrelevant feature, and its indeed, not at all required. But, I understand the reason behind the inclusion, thus I never complained about it, ever! Except just pointing out my disapproval, that's it. There's any way nothing much to spend the money on Liberty City ( oh! How realistic? Looking at you, Wolfhuman ), so on a positive side; Niko can at least spend some money, viewing through the bland economy of IV. I can deal with the tolls, in this regards, just like the annoying phone calls that you have never seen me complaining about either.

I'm willing to welcome any similar features, like Food in GTA SA, with open arms, as long as the game offers plenty of challenge, and huge satisfaction, which the gameplay of IV just failed to meet the basic requirements, let alone improve the consistently good fun I had with SA and VC.

 

feeding him appropriately without getting too fat or too skinny was kinda annoying.

Do you even realise about how annoyng driving was during IV release? That's something you do the most throughout GTA IV, than feeding CJ once in a while. Many players found the driving way annoying, but still many tried and learned to adapt to IV driving. Didn't you? They key word here is to adapt. I don't see feeding CJ, even remotely annoying than IV driving. Because you lose energy very slowly, and don't die instantly.

You are talking as if, CJ becomes too skiny or too fat, in the blink of an eye. There are different set of meals to solve your minor quibble regarding it ( ever heard about salad meal? )

Such a simple system.

Seriously, why we have all sorts of complaining about how downgraded/easy V feels, if one can't even handle SA role-playing elements?

Throw as many reasons as you want, but the thing is, its not at all annoying, at all, esp., when I consider many things about IV's gameplay, which is discussed by OP, already.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Osho

[Algonquin Assassin]

But, you are still not going to admit the glaring flaws about everything outside the story, and technical marvel at display in GTA IV.

 

 

 

I'm more willing than you think I am.

[Osho]

I've hardly come across people who do admit, outside their shameless mockery at display towards many of the elements, simply because the game was trying to sell; FUN?

This is something which has become some sort of a fashion, for the people who are more than willing to defend ONLY themselves, without ignoring minor issues even after so many years.

Quite offtopic here. But, I'd be glad to see any points, which isn't covered by OP perfectly. He has more than covered everything, but still things are getting repeated!

[Wolfhuman]

 

Except just pointing out my disapproval, that's it. There's any way nothing much to spend the money on Liberty City ( oh! How realistic? Looking at you, Wolfhuman )

 

feeding him appropriately without getting too fat or too skinny was kinda annoying.

Do you even realise about how annoyng driving was during IV release? That's something you do the most throughout GTA IV, than feeding CJ once in a while. Many players found the driving way annoying, but still many tried and learned to adapt to IV driving. Didn't you? They key word here is to adapt. I don't see feeding CJ once every 48 hours, even remotely annoying than IV driving. Because you lose energy very slowly, and don't die instantly, as you can easily go and get food without starving to death. Don't forget CJ is a gangster, and fat, muscle, and food system together form an interesting system that will allows CJ to easily gain respect.

You are talking as if, CJ becomes too skiny or too fat, in the blink of an eye. There are different set of meals to solve your minor quibble regarding it ( ever heard about salad meal? ) Seriously, you call SA as your 2nd favorite, and don't know how to play with the simple mechanic, and feel annoyed, for the little effort, and common sense on your part to play with the simple system?

Then why we have all kinds complaining about how downgraded/easy V feels?

If you can't handle SA role-playing elements.

Throw as many silly reasons as you want, but the thing is, its not at all annoying, at all, esp., when I consider many things about IV's gameplay, which is discussed by OP, already.

 

 

wtf? When did i approved the IV's monetary system? I actually think that it was bad. You couldn't spend much money on stuff, weapons and clothes were the most valuable, that's it. It was probably more about doing stuff to get the money than the money itself. But that was a little mistake since you can't spend it that much.

 

I like RP, i follow the traffic laws in V at times. But i think that the the problem was: the time. Since gta does not has real life time , it will make 1 hour, 60 seconds. Thus you need to feed him more than you would have feed more in real life time. IF this was implemented with real life time or if it was less often needed then i would agree with it. I prefer real life time tho, it is more more realistic. So it was not about the actual thing itself, but the time for it.

[Osho]

I was directing your attention towards IV broken economy, regarding your point about Tolls felt realistic, while the entire economic system seems quite unrealistic relative to the city detailed setting. Not even as good as SA. That's all.

 

Regarding that food thing, I'm not arguing about the time, rather ( read the quote again above ) "too skiny/too fat" part only!

I mean, its absolutely wrong. You have good options to maintain the balance by picking the right diet.

[Algonquin Assassin]

If the there's one I'd have to be critical of GTA IV it's the economy system. If it had been done better the stock market would've been a great addition being that it's based on NYC and all.

 

Even if It wasn't exactly rags to riches like VC and SA it would've been nice if Niko could've bought a penthouse or a house in Alderney with its own garage.

 

It's a shame after everything he goes through he doesn't really get a taste of the American Dream.

[Wolfhuman]

I was directing your attention towards IV broken economy, regarding your point about Tolls felt realistic, while the entire economic system seems quite unrealistic relative to the city detailed setting. Not even as good as SA. That's all.

 

Regarding that food thing, I'm not arguing about the time, rather ( read the quote again above ) "too skiny/too fat" part only!

I mean, its absolutely wrong. You have good options to maintain the balance by picking the right diet.

 

Toll was realistic, economic system felt unrealistic, yes. I just talked about toll being a realistic feature, but that does not mean the environment is also realistic too.

 

If the there's one I'd have to be critical of GTA IV it's the economy system. If it had been done better the stock market would've been a great addition being that it's based on NYC and all.

 

Even if It wasn't exactly rags to riches like VC and SA it would've been nice if Niko could've bought a penthouse or a house in Alderney with its own garage.

 

It's a shame after everything he goes through he doesn't really get a taste of the American Dream.

 

But the thing with IV was, that it was dark. The ending of the game is just dark. IV went into another direction unlike it's predecessors. And it showed that the end of the game doesn't mean victory unlike past gta's.

[Vercetti42]

If the there's one I'd have to be critical of GTA IV it's the economy system. If it had been done better the stock market would've been a great addition being that it's based on NYC and all.

 

Even if It wasn't exactly rags to riches like VC and SA it would've been nice if Niko could've bought a penthouse or a house in Alderney with its own garage.

 

It's a shame after everything he goes through he doesn't really get a taste of the American Dream.

 

It's kinda stupid that Niko has so much money but he's always complaining that Roman is gambling away all off it when he is rich as hell.

 

I'm really enjoying SA atm. I remember SOL didn't you want it to get it off PSN? I suggest you give it a new playthrough, it's really good and fun!

[Algonquin Assassin]

Not saying he should've conquered the city obviously, but a little taste of the American Dream would've been nice.

 

Besides I've always felt like the money Roman used to buy the Algonquin safe house and the new taxi depot (which is never seen ingame) should've come out of Niko's money instead of it being twisted around as money from an insurance payout.

 

Vercetti42: Yeah I was going to do that, but haven't gotten around to it. Kind of like purchasing the PC version of GTA IV lol. I say I'm going to a lot of things, but don't do them.

 

However I've been concentrating pretty hard on my 100% save of GTA IV. More than likely after that.

[PhillBellic]

Besides I've always felt like the money Roman used to buy the Algonquin safe house and the new taxi depot (which is never seen ingame) should've come out of Niko's money instead of it being twisted around as money from an insurance payout.

 

That would have made money more important in IV. Additionally, I wished the new Taxi Depot was on the map as well.

 

Cheers.

[Lethal Vaccine]

The only thing my 1.2 million dollars in IV goes for is after 100%, I buy all the grenades I can from Little Jacob, get inside my AP Police Stockade and cause havok on the bridges with the cops. The explosions get so big and violent that my PS3 lags very slowly from too many explosions............Meanwhile, my vehicle is in perfect condition and I have not a spec of health or armor taken off.

 

That's what money is used for. Then I reload of course, for the next time, not save over it...

[Vercetti42]

I like the fact that IV did something new to the series though, by not having a happy ending and all.

 

SOL, get IV for PC too. There are some mods which allow you to role-play as a cop and you will surely like that!

 

E: Stupid forum.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Vercetti42

[Kalvin]

I feel IV's gameplay is fine, except it's a bit limited/lacking in variety (no goofy/random outfits, no random hairstyles growing out of nowhere, no planes), but that's to fit the story so that can be easily excused.

[Osho]

Did I read properly that one can excuse the gameplay ( flaws/content ) -- if it meant to fit the story?

 

Wow! So, the gameplay we had in GTA 3, VC, SA which poured in equally good consideration towards the gameplay, freedom, and non-linear fun, TOO! along side the story; such a prioritisation was rubbish.

Hmm...

[Kalvin]

I meant that in IV they were aiming to not have the player make Niko have silly haircuts and outfits to fit his story, I didn't say anything about the other GTAs.

[Osho]

@ Kalvin.

Okay. Nice for clearing, that up

[Error2k]

- No stupid weapon wheel addition,

- Niko can actually climb things and choose whether or not to climb over. You can actually hang on ledges and shimmy instead of being "forced" to climb like in V.

- Melee is way better

- Vehicle handling is better

- and more...

 

1. Good luck with that f*cking gta 4 weapon switching. WHY V WEAPON WHEEL IS STUPID?

2. And? What's the point of this? What is this, Assassin's Creed? And in V we're not forced. Our character is only auto climbing when the wall is very small. Is it really that annoying?

3. Maybe animations are better but in V it's much easier to hit someone. Who uses melee anyways?

4. Not everyone likes GTA 4 handling.

Edited October 7, 2014 by quxxo

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Great points. However I disagree with you on the Most Wanted missions and the Import/Export activities.

 

@above: Stupid, null, and void points.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Sting4S

[Official General]

All I can say to Vercetti42 is that if he thinks IV does not have great gameplay, then when he finally plays V, we'll see what he thinks of IV then.