Naroon Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I've heard murmurs around the web that the Episodes games were more well-optimized than the base game of IV. Is this true? It's no secret that GTA IV was one of the worst PC ports in modern history, so this would be intriguing if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 In my experience, I would say that it's pretty much negligible. IV is unoptimized for dual-cores only. As long as you got HT dual core or a pure quad core, it'll run like a dream. And people are trying to max out all of the sliders, resulting in crappy performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroon Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Ah, that's interesting to hear. Yeah, I've seen a lot of people just mindlessly turning all the sliders up and expecting 120+ fps somehow, lol. Seems lowering traffic density, shadows, and things of that nature would greatly reduce the rendering overhead. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Been playing both for years, actually upgraded my PC just to get IV to run a BIT better than usual.. and I can agree with them, EFLC (especially BoGT) run extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDog77 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Back in the days before I upgraded, I found that EfLC (TBoGT in particular) actually ran a good deal WORSE than vanilla. Apparently Rockstar pimped it out a bit more than vanilla with extra visual and lighting effects that put extra strain on the CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koger Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 For me TLAD runs the best. Then IV comes second. TBoGT runs a little crapier probably because it's using the 1.0.7.0 shadows. On IV I'm using 1.0.4.0 for eye-candy reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBOSS54320 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 In my experience, I would say that it's pretty much negligible. IV is unoptimized for dual-cores only. As long as you got HT dual core or a pure quad core, it'll run like a dream. And people are trying to max out all of the sliders, resulting in crappy performance. The sliders were never an issue for me. The only thing that really effected my performance was shadows. gunziness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroon Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 I wonder whose brilliant idea it was to make so many of the graphical options be processed by the flippin' CPU of all things. I know it was a straight port from the 360, but still, holy hell how incompetent can devs be sometimes? It's like the developers of Starcraft refusing to stop coding their games in x87... Just outright lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTAuthority Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) I wonder whose brilliant idea it was to make so many of the graphical options be processed by the flippin' CPU of all things. I know it was a straight port from the 360, but still, holy hell how incompetent can devs be sometimes? It's like the developers of Starcraft refusing to stop coding their games in x87... Just outright lunacy. It's not really any intentional 'idea' - it's just that since the start of D3D draw calls have been processed by the CPU, and we all know how much AMD and console developers have been talking about how high draw call latency is on PC - and IV's framerate is directly correlated to the amount of draw calls processed during a frame. IV is primarily unoptimized due to its assets having a high material count, which would not have been fixable for PC without completely redoing all assets. Edited September 26, 2014 by NTAuthority Kampret 1 Inactive in GTA/R* title modification indefinitely pursuant to a court order obtained by TTWO. Good job acting against modding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 In my experience, I would say that it's pretty much negligible. IV is unoptimized for dual-cores only. As long as you got HT dual core or a pure quad core, it'll run like a dream. And people are trying to max out all of the sliders, resulting in crappy performance. The sliders were never an issue for me. The only thing that really effected my performance was shadows. I mean how people back in 2008 tried to put the view distance and/or detail distance slider ALL the way up to 100. Shadows are quite the performance killer though, gotta agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'm glad I can run shadows High and still have decent frames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroon Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 I wonder whose brilliant idea it was to make so many of the graphical options be processed by the flippin' CPU of all things. I know it was a straight port from the 360, but still, holy hell how incompetent can devs be sometimes? It's like the developers of Starcraft refusing to stop coding their games in x87... Just outright lunacy. It's not really any intentional 'idea' - it's just that since the start of D3D draw calls have been processed by the CPU, and we all know how much AMD and console developers have been talking about how high draw call latency is on PC - and IV's framerate is directly correlated to the amount of draw calls processed during a frame. IV is primarily unoptimized due to its assets having a high material count, which would not have been fixable for PC without completely redoing all assets. True. I imagine this was a major factor in RDR never making it to PC, the dev studio behind that outright stated that it was meant for PS3 & 360, so I guess the heads of R* didn't feel like giving them the budget to basically rebuild the game from scratch to work properly on PC. GTA V on PC will most likely be really well optimized. Since both the PS4 and X1 are already x86-64 and the two systems rely on higher parallelization via multi-threading rather than fewer strong single-threads, I imagine the game should scale well on quad and hexacores, maybe even octocores too. Though it probably won't have Mantle API support if what the AMD guys hinted in one of their streams last week is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I'm glad I can run shadows High and still have decent frames Me too. Still managed to achieve over 30 FPS with shadows on high. Damn, my HD 6770 is still going quite strong. The thing with IV is how erratic and unpredictable the FPS really is. B Dawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebra Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I don't know why, but certain parts of the city cause a good deal of drops in FPS even though they don't seem visually demanding. I always get 60fps except for when I'm in Beachgate and when I'm looking at Algonquin from Hove Beach. Any other place and time, it's fine. Edited September 29, 2014 by PhilosophicalZebra Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol232 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Actually, for me, for some reason Steam version of GTA IV ran quite better than the disc version, (6 FPS difference) but I had a lot less framerate drops, and I maxed out the settings (even applied AA to the max in the AMD settings) so I don't see a huge difference. Both run fine, really, but the view distance and draw distance sliders are things that cause a lot of lag on older systems. You see, the game's 3D models were designed for the view distance of 21 and detail distance of 11 (which are the default on consoles), maxing out the sliders would cause the game to lag a sh*t ton simply because of that. Naroon and Kampret 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ironic one Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I don't know why, but certain parts of the city cause a good deal of drops in FPS even though they don't seem visually demanding. I always get 60fps except for when I'm in Beachgate and when I'm looking at Algonquin from Hove Beach. Any other place and time, it's fine. I've got the same problem in Chinatown. When I reach Chinatown FPS drops down. I suppose it's because of the number of light effects. There are lots of lanterns and lamps. Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampret Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I don't know why, but certain parts of the city cause a good deal of drops in FPS even though they don't seem visually demanding. I always get 60fps except for when I'm in Beachgate and when I'm looking at Algonquin from Hove Beach. Any other place and time, it's fine. I've got the same problem in Chinatown. When I reach Chinatown FPS drops down. I suppose it's because of the number of light effects. There are lots of lanterns and lamps. True, my framerate drops from 40 to 22 when I got to Chinatown. Anyone having framerate drops when looking to the right, after you got out of the Alderney safe-house?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_BlackScout Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 In my experience, I would say that it's pretty much negligible. IV is unoptimized for dual-cores only. As long as you got HT dual core or a pure quad core, it'll run like a dream. And people are trying to max out all of the sliders, resulting in crappy performance. Like a dream? GPU Usage with a i3 3220 2 cores 4 threads and a 750 Ti. Most settings on High, not even putting the sliders on minimum gives me 100 - 96% of Usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTAuthority Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 how is gpu usage relevant for a game that's limited by cpu singlethread performance due to its assets see also: making it 'more optimized' would've required redoing all art Naroon, BS_BlackScout and Kampret 3 Inactive in GTA/R* title modification indefinitely pursuant to a court order obtained by TTWO. Good job acting against modding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_BlackScout Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) What you mean with "redoing all art"?Remodeling? Also... Is it possible to do some really hard modding to improve the performance, or the game is really un-fixable? Edited October 4, 2014 by BlackScout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTAuthority Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Also... Is it possible to do some really hard modding to improve the performance, or the game is really un-fixable?viiv used to run at a quite nice framerate at max settings thanks to the v map being properly done, but then i broke something in tooling to make it heavier the fps drops from streaming were still there and that's the only ones i consider a real issue, but they only exist in patch 7 and somehow not eflc/4 BS_BlackScout 1 Inactive in GTA/R* title modification indefinitely pursuant to a court order obtained by TTWO. Good job acting against modding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_BlackScout Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Also... Is it possible to do some really hard modding to improve the performance, or the game is really un-fixable? viiv used to run at a quite nice framerate at max settings thanks to the v map being properly done, but then i broke something in tooling to make it heavier the fps drops from streaming were still there and that's the only ones i consider a real issue, but they only exist in patch 7 and somehow not eflc/4 Well I've always had a thought about the map being an issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 To be honest I found no differences in IV vs EFLC. Cheers. Kampret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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