Would you agree with these car reassignments?

[The Lonesome Drifter]

THIS is what we need...

 

Hyper Class:

-Adder

-Entity XF

-Turismo R

-Cheetah

-Chrometorno

 

SuperSports:

-Bullet

-Voltic

-Infernus

-Vacca

-Elegy (debatable)

 

SubSports:

-Prenumbra

-Futo

-Sultan

-Buffalo/Buffalo S

-Schwartzer

-Sentinel/Sentinel XS

[RicoPPP]

all we need is better tuning packages. so that for example every super car goes equally fast when fully modded. there should only be difference in handling.

 

the tuning isn't that great now. i cant see difference from the best package to second best package. even the turbo doesn't make that much difference in my experience. i mean common a 50k turbo on a real car that car would fly. but now when im in gta:o on the freeway and i match the speed with some random truck and put down the gas its crawling away from it rather that launching away. in my opinion all the vehicles pull up way too fast. its like every car goes under 5 sec from 0-60 or faster. a standard van should go 0-60 in 10-15sec.

[Eamonn3]

Vans can be used as Utility vehicles as well as all trucks. So basically their whole system at the moment with cars should really be re-evaluated. Maybe break things down more simple. Use the "Need for Speed Carbon" idea as an example. They broke things down into 3 classes. Muscle, Tuner and Exotic for the 3 main gangs in the game. The Prairie i'd put in the same class as the Penumbra and the Futo and have that be a Tuner class. Stick the Rhapsody in that with the Fusillade as well. So the Compacts would lose 2 cars in that class. The Hearse i'd stick in Utility vehicles since it is basically one with how you are carrying caskets around in the back.

 

Camaro I doubt had ties to Australia my friend. But i'm not a fan of Chevy, so if you could just get me a link to read up on it, that would be great. The GTO though when it came back for a short time, was in fact based off of the Holden Monaro. Then as a MOPAR fan that I am. I know Australia had a Chrysler Charger that was pretty mean with a straight six HEMI , I believe that was the engine. But typically Muscle means American cars with big V8 engines kicking out a ton of horse power. Some folks just don't read up enough on cars to know that Muscle cars aren't exclusive to America as you stated and as I gave an example of at least 2 that I know of. Here's a 3rd for ya. The Ford Falcon from the Mad Max/ Road Warrior movies. That's a Muscle car from Australia.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Eamonn3

[..GhosT]

Well, the Dodge Charger is known in three classes in real life actually.

Muslce, Sports and Sedan.

 

Whof*ckknows why. Its a muscle in my opinion.

[Eamonn3]

Must be made in America my arse, there were and still are a ton of muscle cars made in Australia, where do you think the current Camaro, the recent Pontiacs and the Chevy SS came from, the moon?. Many of the old Australian muscle cars were amount the best ever built in fact. There were even some built in the

Camaro I doubt had ties to Australia my friend. But i'm not a fan of Chevy, so if you could just get me a link to read up on it that would be great. The GTO though when it came back for a short time, was in fact based off of the Holden Monaro. Then as a MOPAR fan that I am. I know Australia had a Chrysler Charger that was pretty mean with a straight six HEMI , I believe that was the engine. But typically Muscle means American cars with big V8 engines kicking out a ton of horse power. Some folks just don't read up enough on cars to know that Muscle cars aren't exclusive to America as you stated and as I gave an example of at least 2 that I know of. Here's a 3rd for ya. The Ford Falcon from the Mad Max/ Road Warrior movies. That's a Muscle car from Australia.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

1) Buffalo S - Muscle.

 

This is currently a sports car and I can't understand why. The engine sounds like a muscle car, modded right it looks like a muscle car, and it's based off the modern Dodge Charger, which far as I know counted as a muscle (though maybe it's a sedan these days being a 4 door, not really sure). This car just don't seem like a sport to me. It doesn't have that tuner vibe which sports cars has. The Buffalo S just screams bad ass muscle in it's design.

 

2) Manana - Muscle.

 

Technically we need a low riders class, but since we don't have one would anyone else this this car would be better suited to perhaps muscle then sports classic? I've heard it said before that this car doesn't fit the sports classic theme, and as the game stands, muscle is the only other place I can see it going.

 

3) Rancher XL - Off Road & SUV's.

 

Currently this truck is only selectable if you own one, it doesn't show up by default which is a crying shame. Currently a off road truck I think this should double for the SUV class and be added as a default selection for both.

 

4) Sadler - Vans.

 

For whatever reason pickup trucks are classed with van.... cause that makes total sense right? But why is the Sadler classed utility? It's clearly massively OP for that class and is no more a utility then the Bison.

 

5) Paradise - Vans.

 

I mean what do I have to say... it's a van... I mean you need no further explanation... it's literally a van. So whys it classed Off-Road?

 

 

While I'm here I want to suggest a new class, Off Road - Light. Right now a number of off road vehicles makes everything else completely obsolete. Separating Off Road into 2 classes of Light and Heavy might just help in solving this issue. Here would be my listing.

 

Off Road - Light.

- Sanchez Livery.

- Sanchez 2.

- Blazer.

- Hot-rod Blazer.

- Dune Buggy.

- BF Injection.

- Bifa (may be spelled wrong).

 

Off Road - Heavy.

- Dubsta 6X6.

- Sandking SWB.

- Sandking XL.

- Rebel.

- Rebel (rustic).

- Rancher XL.

- Patriot.

The muscle class is curently the most interesting balanced class...bringing in the buffalo s is completely retarded

Also i beleve the real life equalivent is still often considered a sport car

 

on the manana...it just need to be in a lowrider class. Simple as that

 

the own one thing on the rancher makes it interesting in some way...but hey i dont mind if it changes

 

I totaly agree with that stuff about the sadler

 

Isnt the paradise able to be selected when doing a custom van race ?

 

Sanchez still woud own...and also i feel the big offroaders are populair enough to consider splitting them up useless

I have seen more garages with one of the big offroads in then garages with the smaller ones....so no...its not needed to split them

Edited September 24, 2014 by goldadderXD

[Delta India Echo]

Well, the Dodge Charger is known in three classes in real life actually.

Muslce, Sports and Sedan.

 

Whof*ckknows why. Its a muscle in my opinion.

Sports?

 

It's not a race car. It should be muscle and sedan only.

[lilmoonpie]

The Exemplar is not a Sports car. It couldn't keep up without a stats tweak.

 

There should be two categories of Sports cars: Sports "customs," I guess - all the Sports cars you can buy, and Sports "street," featuring all the Sports cars you can sell, like the Futo, Sultan, Penumbra, Fusilade, etc. Those low-end Sports cars can't keep up with the models you can buy, but it'd still be fun to race them.

 

No use splitting the off-roaders when racers should have the sense to know which off-roader to pick, depending on the race.

Edited September 24, 2014 by lilmoonpie

[Mach1bud]

Multi class racing would solve all this. At least for crews and friends.

[HEISENBERG6749]

My likes in this thread as of right now: 11

Rico's likes in this thread as of right now: ZERO

I'm glad to see that NOBODY is agreeing with me (likes means disagreeing right?) and that clearly you have everyone against me. Oh wait, could that possibly be backwards? You couldn't be more wrong or delusional.

Neither answers.yahoo.com (not a SINGLE positive rating on any of the answers there from the link you provided by the way) nor Urbandictionary.com are reputable sources, but let's for a moment disregard the "f*ck yeah" in the oh-so-accurate definition by the latter and notice that it's definition allows for V6 engines. Wait a minute! That completely goes against not only your other sources but what Muscle Car Club (an actual recognized association) says.

Again, your Carsdirect link says, and I quote, "For the purist, a Muscle Car is a two door (car), that is as light and cheap as possible, and has the largest motor that will fit installed". Thank you for helping to prove my point AGAIN! Even your bankrate link says "most experts agree it's (a muscle car is) a smaller, two-door car powered by a high-displacement engine typically found in a larger, full-size sedan." Experts say that it has two doors. You say it can have four.

How about this....if we want facts on muscle cars we will defer to the experts. And if we want information on what your OPINION is on the matter, or what seat provides the best view on a short bus, THEN you can speak up. Until then, shut the f*ck up and try to understand what you are reading and not pick and choose little tidbits here and there to piece together a half-assed argument that is littered with poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

Edited September 24, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[derrick2222]

Yes those are really well done, good job.

[Mach1bud]

 

My likes in this thread as of right now: 11

 

Rico's likes in this thread as of right now: ZERO

 

I'm glad to see that NOBODY is agreeing with me (likes means disagreeing right?) and that clearly you have everyone against me. Oh wait, could that possibly be backwards? You couldn't be more wrong or delusional.

 

Neither answers.yahoo.com (not a SINGLE positive rating on any of the answers there from the link you provided by the way) nor Urbandictionary.com are reputable sources, but let's for a moment disregard the "f*ck yeah" in the oh-so-accurate definition by the latter and notice that it's definition allows for V6 engines. Wait a minute! That completely goes against not only your other sources but what Muscle Car Club (an actual recognized association) says.

 

Again, your Carsdirect link says, and I quote, "For the purist, a Muscle Car is a two door (car), that is as light and cheap as possible, and has the largest motor that will fit installed". Thank you for helping to prove my point AGAIN! Even your bankrate link says "most experts agree it's (a muscle car is) a smaller, two-door car powered by a high-displacement engine typically found in a larger, full-size sedan." Experts say that it has two doors. You say it can have four.

 

How about this....if we want facts on muscle cars we will defer to the experts. And if we want information on what your OPINION is on the matter, or what seat provides the best view on a short bus, THEN you can speak up. Until then, shut the f*ck up and try to understand what you are reading and not pick and choose little tidbits here and there to piece together a half-assed argument that is littered with poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

I agree with him, not you. Calm down dude. Clearly many people also consider it a muscle car, or this conversation wouldn't be happening.

 

You can throw definitions around all you want, to me, it looks, sounds, and performs like a muscle car. It's just my opinion, I didnt need to read anything on the Internet to tell me what to think.

[elfoam]

 

Must be made in America my arse, there were and still are a ton of muscle cars made in Australia, where do you think the current Camaro, the recent Pontiacs and the Chevy SS came from, the moon?. Many of the old Australian muscle cars were amount the best ever built in fact. There were even some built in the

 

Camaro I doubt had ties to Australia my friend. But i'm not a fan of Chevy, so if you could just get me a link to read up on it that would be great. The GTO though when it came back for a short time, was in fact based off of the Holden Monaro. Then as a MOPAR fan that I am. I know Australia had a Chrysler Charger that was pretty mean with a straight six HEMI , I believe that was the engine. But typically Muscle means American cars with big V8 engines kicking out a ton of horse power. Some folks just don't read up enough on cars to know that Muscle cars aren't exclusive to America as you stated and as I gave an example of at least 2 that I know of. Here's a 3rd for ya. The Ford Falcon from the Mad Max/ Road Warrior movies. That's a Muscle car from Australia.

Under the body the Camaro is 100% VE commodore (same size as the magenta prototype Torana they built before the VE), same exact car as the VE underneath with the slightly shortened chassis. The pre production car was developed in Melbourne and Adelaide and was doing laps around here a long time before it ever went to the states.

 

I've owned myself a lot of the Australian muscle cars, including the Charger, great car. Those are actually the same underneath as the American mopars. The Australian cars had the local straight six but also came with the 318, 340 and 360 v8s. The big blocks weren't an option but do fit and some guys have retro fitted them.

 

I've also had the original 1960s, early 70s Monaros which are I'd say the most beautiful looking car built in Australia. Probably have to see it in person to appreciate but they are a very sexy feminine shape while still being a beast.

 

The little lc and lj Toranas also look a bit that way but the later Torana especially the A9X hatchback looks all balls and was very successfull on the racetracks.

 

The Fords all look tough as nails. The "XY GTHO Phase 3" was the most famous Ford built here but it's basically identical to the two door version in the states (other than being a sedan plus dropping a faster motor in it here). The big coupes (like in mad Max) aren't as famous here as the earlier sedans but popular overseas.

[RicoPPP]

 

My likes in this thread as of right now: 11

Rico's likes in this thread as of right now: ZERO

I'm glad to see that NOBODY is agreeing with me (likes means disagreeing right?) and that clearly you have everyone against me. Oh wait, could that possibly be backwards? You couldn't be more wrong or delusional.

Neither answers.yahoo.com (not a SINGLE positive rating on any of the answers there from the link you provided by the way) nor Urbandictionary.com are reputable sources, but let's for a moment disregard the "f*ck yeah" in the oh-so-accurate definition by the latter and notice that it's definition allows for V6 engines. Wait a minute! That completely goes against not only your other sources but what Muscle Car Club (an actual recognized association) says.

Again, your Carsdirect link says, and I quote, "For the purist, a Muscle Car is a two door (car), that is as light and cheap as possible, and has the largest motor that will fit installed". Thank you for helping to prove my point AGAIN! Even your bankrate link says "most experts agree it's (a muscle car is) a smaller, two-door car powered by a high-displacement engine typically found in a larger, full-size sedan." Experts say that it has two doors. You say it can have four.

How about this....if we want facts on muscle cars we will defer to the experts. And if we want information on what your OPINION is on the matter, or what seat provides the best view on a short bus, THEN you can speak up. Until then, shut the f*ck up and try to understand what you are reading and not pick and choose little tidbits here and there to piece together a half-assed argument that is littered with poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

 

 

Can you read?? guess not. did you read the post you get likes on? did you read the other posts in this topic? i thought i was talking to an grown up i was wrong. congrats on your 11 likes wow you must feel so good.

 

for one last time now read this very carefully maybe you understand. MOST EXPERTS AGREE THAT MUSCLE CARS HAVE 2 DOORS DOES THAT MEAN ALL EXPERTS?? THE ONLY THING THAT EXPERTS ARE AGREEING ON IS THAT IS HAS TO BE CAR WITH A V8 AND FOR AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. A CHARGER SRT8 MEETS THAT REQUIREMENTS ITS CHEAP AND GOES FAST. THAT'S WHY SOME PPL AND DODGE ITSELF CALLS IT A MUSCLE CAR.

 

now watch this and shut the f*ck up

 

 

 

How many doors does that car have????????????????????????????

Edited September 25, 2014 by RicoPPP

[joejuggernaut]

 

 

 

By this definition, an AC Cobra, Ford GT, GT40, etc. are muscle card. They also don't have to be American. Holden developed several of their own Muscle cars around the time the trend picked up in the States. They don't need to be 2-door either. The original Dart had 4-door variants, but otherwise the car was the same.

 

Things can be mutually exclusive. Just because an American made car with lots of power has 2 doors, doesn't mean it is a muscle car. But, all muscle cars are American and have 2 doors with high power. I'm just going by the definition here. Don't blame me for setting the definition as I didn't do it.

 

the term muscle car comes from the hot rodding community I don't care what Merriam Webster has to say they are very wrong in a lot of ways and I would take the people who do something over people would just write something in a book I don't ask my plumber what's wrong with my drain then say well google said this is what's wrong with it. A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. that definition right there is based off of Muscle Car Club which is used that definition since the 1970.

[Eamonn3]

 

My likes in this thread as of right now: 11

Rico's likes in this thread as of right now: ZERO

I'm glad to see that NOBODY is agreeing with me (likes means disagreeing right?) and that clearly you have everyone against me. Oh wait, could that possibly be backwards? You couldn't be more wrong or delusional.

Neither answers.yahoo.com (not a SINGLE positive rating on any of the answers there from the link you provided by the way) nor Urbandictionary.com are reputable sources, but let's for a moment disregard the "f*ck yeah" in the oh-so-accurate definition by the latter and notice that it's definition allows for V6 engines. Wait a minute! That completely goes against not only your other sources but what Muscle Car Club (an actual recognized association) says.

Again, your Carsdirect link says, and I quote, "For the purist, a Muscle Car is a two door (car), that is as light and cheap as possible, and has the largest motor that will fit installed". Thank you for helping to prove my point AGAIN! Even your bankrate link says "most experts agree it's (a muscle car is) a smaller, two-door car powered by a high-displacement engine typically found in a larger, full-size sedan." Experts say that it has two doors. You say it can have four.

How about this....if we want facts on muscle cars we will defer to the experts. And if we want information on what your OPINION is on the matter, or what seat provides the best view on a short bus, THEN you can speak up. Until then, shut the f*ck up and try to understand what you are reading and not pick and choose little tidbits here and there to piece together a half-assed argument that is littered with poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar.

 

Shut it Heisenberg. Dodge make's the Charger and they call it a Muscle car and a Sedan. 707 HP V8 HEMI HELLCAT qualifies it as a Muscle car. MOPAR fans such as myself are not going to back down or give a bloody inch in not calling the Charger a Muscle car. So keep wasting your time arguing with us that the Charger is not a Muscle car all you want. It's a bloody dang Muscle car to us and we are not changing our minds because some kid is forcing his view that it isn't .

 

So just shut it already. It's a Muscle car as well as a Sedan and I already stated it a few times already.

[elfoam]

 

 

Muscle car or family sedan?

[elfoam]

 

 

Not American, muscle car or not?

[HEISENBERG6749]

the term muscle car comes from the hot rodding community I don't care what Merriam Webster has to say they are very wrong in a lot of ways and I would take the people who do something over people would just write something in a book I don't ask my plumber what's wrong with my drain then say well google said this is what's wrong with it. A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price. that definition right there is based off of Muscle Car Club which is used that definition since the 1970.

 

Okay, so if you are so keen on using the "hot rodding communitiy's" definition of what a muscle car is, why do you fail to understand it in its entirety? I agree with you 100% in that the strict definition provided above by Muscle Car Club is accurate and indicative of what a muscle car is. But at the same time, you need to do some looking into their website. Old-school Chargers were muscle cars. They were INTERMEDIATE SIZED, The Chargers of today are classed as full sized, and as sedans. And that is accurate when you consider their sheer size and weight. They come in at well over 4300 lbs curb weight. Take a look and see what Muscle Car Club says about sized vehicles such as these. It calls them full sized muscle cars, which to the purist like me, is NOT a true muscle car, which can only be an intermediate sized car meeting the strictest definition. I've got a Mustang GT. Is it a muscle car? Nope, it's a pony car. What does Muscle Car Club say about the Mustang GT? Well, it says it is a "Pony Car". Can it be grouped in with muscle cars? Sure, but is it a true muscle car by the strictest definition, no!

 

Those that want to say Dodge calls the Charger a "muscle car"....why wouldn't they? It's simply marketing. It doesn't mean that they are right. Take this for example:

2015 Dodge Charger: The World’s Only Four-Door Muscle Car Gets New Exterior, 300 Horsepower V-6 With Best-in-class 31 MPG Highway, Standard Segment-exclusive TorqueFlite eight-speed Automatic Transmission and World-class Handling and Refinement

 

Straight from here: http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?&id=15535&mid=

 

Dodge apparently considers the Charger to be the world's ONLY 4 door muscle car, even when powered by a V6. Maybe we should look again at the Muscle Car Club definition where it states. "powered by a V8 engine". At BEST the Charger R/T's and Hellcat MAY be considered by some to be Fullsize Muscle Cars, but they are not TRUE Muscle Cars, at least according to the strictest definition provided by Muscle Car Club.

[HEISENBERG6749]

 

Can you read?? guess not. did you read the post you get likes on? did you read the other posts in this topic? i thought i was talking to an grown up i was wrong. congrats on your 11 likes wow you must feel so good.

 

for one last time now read this very carefully maybe you understand. MOST EXPERTS AGREE THAT MUSCLE CARS HAVE 2 DOORS DOES THAT MEAN ALL EXPERTS?? THE ONLY THING THAT EXPERTS ARE AGREEING ON IS THAT IS HAS TO BE CAR WITH A V8 AND FOR AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. A CHARGER SRT8 MEETS THAT REQUIREMENTS ITS CHEAP AND GOES FAST. THAT'S WHY SOME PPL AND DODGE ITSELF CALLS IT A MUSCLE CAR.

 

How many doors does that car have????????????????????????????

 

I can read just fine, how about you? The car has 4 doors. The car is not a true muscle car. Most true muscle cars (by the strict definition) didn't appear until 1964 or later. Proof: The strict definition only includes intermediate size vehicles. In reality, performance oriented intermediate size vehicles didn't appear until 1964. Before then, manufacturers took existing fullsize vehicles and added extra performance to them. Because of this, the early fullsize performance vehicles are generally considered muscle cars. (from Muscle Car Club) Under the description of a Fullsize Muscle Car, meaning that such a vehicle would be a Fullsize Muscle Car. Remember, only INTERMEDIATE SIZE cars qualify for the strict definition of a true muscle car.

 

Now let's see this: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/rambler/1957-1970-rambler-rebel-ar109410.html

 

"Little did Romney know that his new Rambler Rebel model was destined to become the grandfather of the muscle car era."

The Rambler Rebel in your video is not a true muscle car, but a precursor to them. The Rebel also fails to appear on the list of muscle cars recognized by Muscle Car Club. It was an important vehicle and design leading up to the production of muscle cars, but itself was not a true muscle car.

Edited September 25, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[n0tj0sh33]

You are annoying as crap dude just let it go the Dodge Charger is a muscle car

[elfoam]

Lol, you only need to drive a car to know if its a muscle car. It's a feeling thing, not something you read on some knobs website.

[HEISENBERG6749]

You are annoying as crap dude just let it go the Dodge Charger is a muscle car

V6 muscle car according to Chrysler.

 

You can argue with the experts all you want. I am not an expert, just someone capable of reading what the experts have to say and the marketing failures of a company, whose statement is completely unsupported by experts.

Edited September 25, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[Mach1bud]

 

 

You are annoying as crap dude just let it go the Dodge Charger is a muscle car

V6 muscle car according to Chrysler.

 

You can argue with the experts all you want. I am not an expert, just someone capable of reading what the experts have to say and the marketing failures of a company, whose statement is completely unsupported by experts.

Because what the experts on those websites say are just those particular people's opinions.

 

That's what you don't get. It's a feeling thing. It's not black and white. Those "experts" do not define anything. Individual owners do.

 

Like I said before, it looks, sounds, and performs like a muscle car to me. That's all I need to know.

[Econobrick]

3) Rancher XL - Off Road & SUV's.

 

Currently this truck is only selectable if you own one, it doesn't show up by default which is a crying shame. Currently a off road truck I think this should double for the SUV class and be added as a default selection for both.

I could take or leave the other suggestions, but I absolutely agree with this one... it's bothered me ever since the game came out.

 

Many of the other SUV's in the game can be used in both SUV and off-road classes, but not the Rancher.

 

It's annoying because the Rancher would actually be more competitive in SUV races than it is in off-road.

 

The thing's actually pretty fast on pavement, but slows down a ton on dirt.

 

It's also stupid because the Rancher and Granger are both Chevy Suburbans. Somehow, a late-model Suburban (Granger) is an SUV, but an 80's one (Rancher) isn't.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Econobrick

[HEISENBERG6749]

Because what the experts on those websites say are just those particular people's opinions.

 

That's what you don't get. It's a feeling thing. It's not black and white. Those "experts" do not define anything. Individual owners do.

 

Like I said before, it looks, sounds, and performs like a muscle car to me. That's all I need to know.

 

So when you get sick, do you go see a doctor or someone in pre-med school? Both are in the same field and one is more of an expert than the other. The expert has studied longer, practiced longer, has seen more, has had more experiences, yet you would discredit an expert saying that "it's only an opinion". True, it's only an opinion in either case, but I'd take the opinion that is supported by knowledge and experience over someone who is new to the field.

 

This is what you don't get. People are EXPERTS for a reason. They are experts because they are acknowledged by others (experts and novices alike) to have a superior understanding in a field. They don't care what you or I think. They simply tell it like it is and the only difference here is that I accept the expert opinion and you discredit them without basis or support.

 

Those experts actually DID define what a muscle car is. Those experts are a group of OWNERS. In fact, they provided a STRICT definition in addition to definitions of why something is or isn't a true muscle car. Something you also seem to be incapable of understanding.

 

It can look, sound, and perform like one, but that doesn't mean it IS one. And individual owners define what a muscle car is? Okay, so I guess I can go buy a Chevy Cobalt SS and say that I have a muscle car huh? I defined it, because to ME, a non-expert, I say it IS one. Solid reasoning you have there. Owners of what particular models then? I know a good place to start...the ones that are recognized as muscle cars by Muscle Car Club and other recognized groups filled with EXPERTS.

Edited September 25, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[Mach1bud]

 

 

Because what the experts on those websites say are just those particular people's opinions.

That's what you don't get. It's a feeling thing. It's not black and white. Those "experts" do not define anything. Individual owners do.

 

Like I said before, it looks, sounds, and performs like a muscle car to me. That's all I need to know.

 

So when you get sick, do you go see a doctor or someone in pre-med school? Both are in the same field and one is more of an expert than the other. The expert has studied longer, practiced longer, has seen more, has had more experiences, yet you would discredit an expert saying that "it's only an opinion". True, it's only an opinion in either case, but I'd take the opinion that is supported by knowledge and experience over someone who is new to the field.

 

This is what you don't get. People are EXPERTS for a reason. They are experts because they are acknowledged by others (experts and novices alike) to have a superior understanding in a field. They don't care what you or I think. They simply tell it like it is and the only difference here is that I accept the expert opinion and you discredit them without basis or support.

 

Those experts actually DID define what a muscle car is. Those experts are a group of OWNERS. In fact, they provided a STRICT definition in addition to definitions of why something is or isn't a true muscle car. Something you also seem to be incapable of understanding.

 

It can look, sound, and perform like one, but that doesn't mean it IS one. And individual owners define what a muscle car is? Okay, so I guess I can go buy a Chevy Cobalt SS and say that I have a muscle car huh? I defined it, because to ME, a non-expert, I say it IS one. Solid reasoning you have there. Owners of what particular models then? I know a good place to start...the ones that are recognized as muscle cars by Muscle Car Club and other recognized groups filled with EXPERTS.

Well I guess we will just disagree. I've owned and restored several classic/muscle cars. I have been a mechanic for 15 years. I currently own 2 mustangs, a classic, and a new one. Both are muscle cars to me.

Maybe you aren't a car guy so you don't understand. Its fine that you agree with the "experts", I do too for the most part. I'm just telling you that quite a few people disagree. It's all good man. You sound like you are getting upset, you shouldnt, it's not that serious.

 

Oh and by the way, I'm in The Muscle Car Club.

[HEISENBERG6749]

I am a car guy. I own an S197 Mustang GT Premium. Fun car, but not a true muscle car in my opinion. Might put some 4:10's in the rear end, and get an intake and tune for it. I heard that stomping on the gas with that setup will spin the tires all the way through 3rd.

Edited September 25, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[Mach1bud]

I am a car guy. I own an S197 Mustang GT Premium. Fun car, but not a true muscle car. Might put some 4:10's in the rear end, and get an intake and tune. I heard that stomping on the gas will spin the tires all the way through 3rd.

Well see, we have something in common. I have a 2010 GT premium. Bracket race it every friday, barely chirps third crossing the finish line. Still mostly stock, as funds have been going toward the Mach 1 build.

 

I guess we can agree that they are some badass American cars.

[AGiganticLlama]

No. I like having my Sadler in the utility class. Otherwise, I won't be able to massively own people in utility races.

 

lol