Would you agree with these car reassignments?

[Mach1bud]

I know technically the new Charger is a sedan, but in my eyes, and many others, it's still a Muscle car.

 

A muscle car cannot be defined by a dictionary. It's about the feel of the car, the attitude. I have two Mustangs, a 1972 Mach 1, and a 2010 GT. My buddy has a 2008 Charger SRT8. All three cars feel like Muscle cars to me.

 

All that's just my opinion though, I understand how others feel differently. It's all good.

 

 

OT: The classes really need to be rebalanced. Lowrider class should be there, and they should just split sports in two, and eliminate the coupes category.

[Dumb guy]

No I don't agree. I liked the game when it came out. Not with all these changes.

If you're looking for a driving game, may I suggest forza of Gran Turismo.

The GTA series has NEVER been a driver. Just a bit of every genre. Just enough.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Dumb guy

[ArcadeWilliamz]

No I'm happy enough how the cars are.

[trappinbenny12]

The Bullet needs to be reassigned to the sports class as it doesn't fit in with the rest of the supers. It's the only super to me that doesn't look like a super car and is based off the Ford GT, which is a real life sports car. Maybe because the Bullet in other gta's was one of the fastest cars they put it as a super, but since the cars in this game are more strongly based on real life cars and their real life stats compared to other gta's, it should be placed in the sports category.

[eroch]

The Bullet needs to be reassigned to the sports class as it doesn't fit in with the rest of the supers. It's the only super to me that doesn't look like a super car and is based off the Ford GT, which is a real life sports car. Maybe because the Bullet in other gta's was one of the fastest cars they put it as a super, but since the cars in this game are more strongly based on real life cars and their real life stats compared to other gta's, it should be placed in the sports category.

It sucks because it's the GT40 was a race car, and the GT irl is like a racecar in driving, but the Bullet seems to fail to be a racecar and a super.

[DevilDaRebel]

who-dat, on 22 Sept 2014 - 6:20 PM, said:who-dat, on 22 Sept 2014 - 6:20 PM, said:

 

Ibareny, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:57 PM, said:Ibareny, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:57 PM, said:

 

HEISENBERG6749, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:49 PM, said:HEISENBERG6749, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:49 PM, said:

HEISENBERG6749, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:49 PM, said:HEISENBERG6749, on 22 Sept 2014 - 5:49 PM, said:

 

Any way to thumbs down a thread? That is what is really needed here.

Get out.

 

On topic: I agree OP, I've always wondered why the Buffalo S was never in the muscle class.

 

I don't agree too much with the Off Road classes, but I can see why would you want to.

He can be in this thread and state his opinion....that's what a forum is for, discussion. Heisenberg doesn't agree w/OP and he stated it, doesn't mean he cannot participate in this discussion.

 

OT: I like the 2 classes of off-road idea. And IMO, all modern cars in GTA that are or could be considered muscle, should in fact be classed in the sports car class....true muscle cars rely on raw torque and horsepower, whereas the modern cars that are classed as muscle rely on modern technology and computers to produce more power than just a large motor can offer.....they use the 'brain' of the car to augment the 'muscle' of the car.

 

 

What opinion is that? Randomly coming into a thread and saying he wants to thumbs it down? That's no way to discuss things.

 

Also Dodge Charger are considered Muscle cars... Even though some may call them sedans.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Ibareny

[the nameless]

I'd say yes but not the Manana. It's clear some cars need reclassifying, they should certainly add a tuner class, but any reclassification should come with the option to sell that car (if you bought it) for full value, or get back your modding money if you robbed it, because I'm sure some people bought the Buffalo S because it was a 4 door sports car, and may not have if was a muscle class. I'm sure the same would happen to other cars.

[Iroquois]

I agree OP with all of those suggestions. One thing i would add is the voltic. Technically, it should be under compact or sports but definitely not a super (im talking about real life here though). In game, it would be too fast for compacts. Lotus elises only weigh 500kg i believe (dont know if that includes nonessential parts/interiors taken out). Hell, esprits dont even classify as supers either. Those would be sports as well.

[elfoam]

Buffalo S is slightly faster than the Blade which itself is already too fast in muscle class. So no, can't agree.

[AceThaCreator]

Another one that should be moved is the Exemplar to sedans.

[trappinbenny12]

Another one that should be moved is the Exemplar to sedans.

Why exactly? The Exemplar (even though it is 4 door) fits more into the coupe class than the sedan class because of its more luxurious design, all sedans have a more common plain jane look to me.

[the_warbsta]

We need more baja vehicles

[Delta India Echo]

The Schwartzer and Rapid GT (More like Turd GT) should be in Coupes. And Exemplar should in Sports.

 

They really went full spastic with these vehicle classes.

[Guest]

Elegy RH8 should be a Super and not a Sports car.

[justinlynch3]

HEISENBERG6749 what do you think of the concept of seperating the off road class?

There is no way you can tell me in a all stock race, heck even a customs race, that a Rebel or SK has any kind of pray again the Sanchez, BF, Buggy, etc. Unless it's a straight up hill climb or driving though insane deep water, all this light bikes/buggy's will blow any truck/jeep away by miles, even the 6X6.

 

It's simply unfair to class the trucks/jeeps into the same class as the buggy's/bikes.

[Eamonn3]

Buffalo based off of a Dodge Charger is not a muscle car at all. It is a sedan, with FOUR DOORS. Sports sedan at most. Muscle, definitely not.

 

Manana is based on what, a 1970's Buick Lesabre? Not a muscle car. It's a cruiser/lowrider capable. Nothing more.

Charger is a Muscle car and a sedan. Go read up on what Dodge calls it and argue with them that it's not a Muscle car. So the Buffalo should be allowed to be in both classes. We have motorcycle's in a motorcycle class as well as a off road class with cars. So why not rework all the car classes to make more sense?

[Jun2nolimit]

The buffalo is 100% a muscle car

A Muscle car can have four doors

Look at the 60s era chevy novas they came out with a four door nova and it is most definitely a muscle car

And the same goes for the buffalo

if you looked into it alot of classic muscle cars are 2dr but also offer as a 4door

The doors don't make car muscle what makes a car muscle is the big body matched with a v8 It has nothing to do with doors

Edited September 23, 2014 by Jun2nolimit

[Arrows to Athens]

The Buffalo S was a muscle car before I think.

[RicoPPP]

 

By this definition, an AC Cobra, Ford GT, GT40, etc. are muscle card. They also don't have to be American. Holden developed several of their own Muscle cars around the time the trend picked up in the States. They don't need to be 2-door either. The original Dart had 4-door variants, but otherwise the car was the same.

 

Things can be mutually exclusive. Just because an American made car with lots of power has 2 doors, doesn't mean it is a muscle car. But, all muscle cars are American and have 2 doors with high power. I'm just going by the definition here. Don't blame me for setting the definition as I didn't do it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel

 

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

 

http://www.dodge.com/100/charger/

 

 

2 doors has nothing to do with muscle car. it has to be a v8 car for an affordable price produced in us au or uk. don't talk about stuff you don't know nothing about.

Edited September 23, 2014 by RicoPPP

[who-dat]

The buffalo is 100% a muscle car

A Muscle car can have four doors

Look at the 60s era chevy novas they came out with a four door nova and it is most definitely a muscle car

And the same goes for the buffalo

if you looked into it alot of classic muscle cars are 2dr but also offer as a 4door

The doors don't make car muscle what makes a car muscle is the big body matched with a v8 It has nothing to do with doors

You are correct that a muscle car can be a four door.....however you are incorrect in saying any modern car with modern technology is a muscle car. I've already explained why, but I can further elaborate if more explanation is needed.

[HEISENBERG6749]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel

 

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

 

http://www.dodge.com/100/charger/

 

 

2 doors has nothing to do with muscle car. it has to be a v8 car for an affordable price produced in us au or uk. don't talk about stuff you don't know nothing about.

 

When I say "muscle car" I am talking about the purest of pure in terms of what it is and what "muscle cars of today" try to live up to. Take your 3rd link from the top, that is a good example. I am referring to "Intermediate Muscle Cars" or TRUE muscle cars. Not Full Sized Muscle Cars, not Pony Cars that are thrown into the group of muscle cars. I'm talking about the Chevelle SS, an Olds 442, the Goat, and the Road Runner for example. These are muscle cars and they set the standard for the class.

 

 

And I find it rather funny when you said I don't know what I am talking about, because in the link you provided (3rd one from the top) the "Strict Definition of a Muscle Car" backs me up 100%, yet you can't seem to understand this. "Muscle Cars" with 4 doors are NOT TRUE MUSCLE CARS. At least they aren't by the clubs that define what a muscle car is, and the manufacturers that make them. Someone said earlier that the Nova was a muscle car...not at all. It is a compact car, at least according to the 3rd link you posted, and according to Wikipedia, and Chevrolet as well. It's okay if you want to argue with me. I'm just pointing out the FACTS here. Some people like to use them in discussions, but please feel free to say whatever OPINIONS you may have as to why the people that determined what a muscle car is are wrong.

 

I also find if hilarious that you quote only part of something. Let's take this from your second link...This is WORD FOR WORD:

 

"A large V8 engine is fitted in a 2-door, rear wheel drive, family-style mid-size or full-size cardesigned for four or more passengers. Sold at an affordable price, muscle cars are intended for mainly street use and occasional drag racing"

 

You catch that? TWO DOORS, MORON! Well, 2 of your sources DIRECTLY CONTRADICT what you trying to show us all that you know something. Next time, you might want to read your sources more carefully before you become an expert in 5 minutes on a subject and learn us all something. Your 3rd link also makes absolutely no mention of any "muscle cars" made outside of the US. Why is this? Probably because they aren't muscle cars, simple as that. Muscle cars must be American made.

 

Did someone just get burned?

Edited September 23, 2014 by HEISENBERG6749

[theicide]

Moving the mañana to muscle won't help it. It will still be outclassed. There should be a lowrider class for the mañana, voodoo, tornado and peyote. I agree with 2 off-road classes. Futo, asea, surge and premier should be compacts. Scwartzer and penumbra to coupes. I don't see the need to seperate the pickups from the vans. There performance is close and there are only 3 pickups (Sadler, bobcat and bison). But the sadler should be in the vans/pickups class. Buffalo s would dominate muscles. It is more competive against coupes. Rename coupes to coupes/sports sedans to stop people complaining about 4-doors being in the coupes class. I disagree with comments on moving elegy and massacro to supers. They are slower than supers. Maybe divide the sports into two classes. High performance sports and sports. I agree that voltic is outclassed in supers.

Edited September 23, 2014 by theicide

[Special Agent 25]

agree 100% with #1 & #5, buffalo s should be Muscle and even though i can't stand the paradise(Worst van in game) it should be vans, it's only classed as off road because of the name of update it was released with which is off road, others are fine as they are though.

Edited September 23, 2014 by L5B4LIF3

[Eamonn3]

I'll say it again. Dodge considers the Charger still a Muscle car. All of you players that have issues with that, can go take it up with them. Case closed the Buffalo is a Muscle car just like it's real life counterpart. The Dart at 1 point was a Muscle car but isn't anymore. So the Premier that kinda looks like a 2013-2014 New Dart, should never be considered a Muscle car. Maybe an American tuner if putting it in a class other than sedan.

[RicoPPP]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel

 

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

 

http://www.dodge.com/100/charger/

 

 

2 doors has nothing to do with muscle car. it has to be a v8 car for an affordable price produced in us au or uk. don't talk about stuff you don't know nothing about.

 

When I say "muscle car" I am talking about the purest of pure in terms of what it is and what "muscle cars of today" try to live up to. Take your 3rd link from the top, that is a good example. I am referring to "Intermediate Muscle Cars" or TRUE muscle cars. Not Full Sized Muscle Cars, not Pony Cars that are thrown into the group of muscle cars. I'm talking about the Chevelle SS, an Olds 442, the Goat, and the Road Runner for example. These are muscle cars and they set the standard for the class.

 

 

And I find it rather funny when you said I don't know what I am talking about, because in the link you provided (3rd one from the top) the "Strict Definition of a Muscle Car" backs me up 100%, yet you can't seem to understand this. "Muscle Cars" with 4 doors are NOT TRUE MUSCLE CARS. At least they aren't by the clubs that define what a muscle car is, and the manufacturers that make them. Someone said earlier that the Nova was a muscle car...not at all. It is a compact car, at least according to the 3rd link you posted, and according to Wikipedia, and Chevrolet as well. It's okay if you want to argue with me. I'm just pointing out the FACTS here. Some people like to use them in discussions, but please feel free to say whatever OPINIONS you may have as to why the people that determined what a muscle car is are wrong.

 

I also find if hilarious that you quote only part of something. Let's take this from your second link...This is WORD FOR WORD:

 

"A large V8 engine is fitted in a 2-door, rear wheel drive, family-style mid-size or full-size cardesigned for four or more passengers. Sold at an affordable price, muscle cars are intended for mainly street use and occasional drag racing"

 

You catch that? TWO DOORS, MORON! Well, 2 of your sources DIRECTLY CONTRADICT what you trying to show us all that you know something. Next time, you might want to read your sources more carefully before you become an expert in 5 minutes on a subject and learn us all something. Your 3rd link also makes absolutely no mention of any "muscle cars" made outside of the US. Why is this? Probably because they aren't muscle cars, simple as that. Muscle cars must be American made.

 

Did someone just get burned?

 

 

 

Moron

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130530115050AAwRmFC

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muscle%20car

from that link:

 

Requirements:

1. First and foremost, it must be made in AMERICA! f*ck yeah!

2. Rear drive only!

3. Must have a V8 95% of the time, with some domestic turbo 6s counted (Grand National, anniversary Firebird turbo, etc.)

4. Must have 2 doors 95% of the time, except in cases of old hotrod wagons or, barely, the new Charger Hemi.

 

http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/muscle-car-definition-understand-the-requirements

 

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto/best-american-muscle-cars-of-all-time-1.aspx

 

What is a muscle car? There isn't a settled definition, but most experts agree it's a smaller, two-door car powered by a high-displacement engine typically found in a larger, full-size sedan

 

http://www.therichest.com/luxury/auto/top-10-rarest-american-muscle-cars/

 

A muscle car is by definition an American-made car typically with two-doors and a hard top fitted with a V-8 engine. Though some muscle cars do have four doors and some may even be convertibles, two things are a must. They must be American-made and they must have a V-8 engine. The engine is the most important component of a muscle car. Anything less than eight cylinders cannot produce enough horsepower to provide the power that a muscle car needs.

 

 

 

 

and from my first link:

Definition[edit]

According to Muscle Cars, a book written by Peter Henshaw, a "muscle car" is "exactly what the name implies. It is a product of the American car industry adhering to the hot rodder's philosophy of taking a small car and putting a large-displacement engine in it. Were does it say 2 doors

The Rebel name was introduced by AMC in 1957 as a special model with a big V8 engine: the Rambler Rebel, the first factory-produced lightweight muscle car,^[2] and the first hint that muscle cars would be part of the company's future.

Again you're the morron idiot. everybody is telling you that the new charger is a muslce car i even gave you the link to dodge website that stated the new charger as a muscle car. once again muscle car must have an v8 at an affordable price just because 95% of muscle cars have 2 doors doesn't mean a muscle car needs 2 doors. Just back up you story that for example the rambler rebel 57' isn't a muscle car. and again you don't know sh*t. and nobody is agreeing with you here so you can stop high five yourself idiot.

Edited September 24, 2014 by RicoPPP

[Midnight Vibes]

The Bullet and Voltic should be Sports cars too. They're useless in the supers class. And the Schwartzer should be a Coupe.

Edited September 24, 2014 by robrabbitman

[Halal Cyborg]

The bullet would get spanked in sports tbh

 

SChwartzer is is probably a tiny bit faster than a schafter lol

[elfoam]

Must be made in America my arse, there were and still are a ton of muscle cars made in Australia, where do you think the current Camaro, the recent Pontiacs and the Chevy SS came from, the moon?. Many of the old Australian muscle cars were amount the best ever built in fact. There were even some built in the UK.

[trappinbenny12]

The bullet would get spanked in sports tbh

 

SChwartzer is is probably a tiny bit faster than a schafter lol

I wouldn't go that far now. The Bullet would be a upper tier sports car. It would be behind the carbonizzare and slightly above the Elegy in terms of speed (on straightaways mind you, not techical tracks because we all know the Elegy is the king of those type of tracks) which would make it like the fourth fastest sports car if it was moved to that category. The only thing that really hurts the bullet is it's less than stellar acceleration.

[Blingy]

/car thread full of people who know nothing about cars