Middle Eastern Conflict [General]

[Dingdongs]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well that was before Daesh was this big, back then they were a sunni militia so people supporting them thought they could fight back the shia militias since there was a civil war between both people. The leader got ambitious and that's how ISIS was born, I can't blame the people who supported them before they showed their true colours but now that we saw their true colours there is no excuse to support them. Anyone supporting ISIS after what they done is an asshole like them.

 

Same thing happened in Syria, Daesh convinced people to join him so they can get rid of Assad, ISIS had a low profile back then so people didn't know them well to know how scum of a people they are.

Fair enough. I understand why many Sunnis flocked towards those militias with al-Maliki's treatment of Shiites. I'm glad you believe that people that are still with them should be condemned though.

Edited July 30, 2015 by Irviding

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

I edited it to make some minor corrections and additions that didn't change the posts contentwise. I often do that. You shouldn't lie that my posts had different content before some minor corrections. Though that may be true in your imagination, in reality it's false.

 

 

How am I lying, you posted something offensive, I posted that you shouldn't say that, you responded that both are savage, I posted again, you edited your post and said you didn't post that.

 

If anyone is lying its you, what do you call this "Sunni's savages (IS) who's hate for us is their main instrument of propaganda" then you posted your other post calling both people savages I pointed that out then you edited it.

[Eutyphro]

I edited my post 'calling both people savages' (IS and Shia militias) before you even responded, with some minor corrections. And I've never made a post contentwise that said the nonviolent majority are savages, though this has consistently been your interpretation.

I 'call that' me saying IS are Sunni savages. Nothing more. It doesn't say anything about the majority of Sunni's who are not supporting IS or oppose them.

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

When I posted it was not edited. Here we go again with the "Sunni Savages", when you post that it implies that you call every sunni a savage. What you should say is ISIS savages because ISIS has gone a different path from the one sunni has gone and what they do shouldn't be blamed on sunni's, they have their own Quran, their own rules, they are a different group now. Stop doing that because it makes you sound like an asshole even if you don't mean it.

Edited July 30, 2015 by ClaudeSpeed1911

[Eutyphro]

Then how does the post say 'edited 9 hours ago' and your post 'posted 8 hours ago'...? Man forget about it.

Edit: now it say posted 9 hours ago, edited 9 hours ago.. forget about it..

Edited July 30, 2015 by Eutyphro

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

I forgot about it but my point is that you shouldn't post stuff like this because they implied a different meaning even if you didn't mean it.

[sivispacem]

Oh for f*ck's sake, go get a room you two.

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

Sorry about that.

[acmilano]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-08/we-have-civil-war-inside-turkeys-descent-political-social-and-economic-chaos

 

Turkey is getting into chaos too. Another country could become a victim of this conflict.

[MaXWebeR]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-08/we-have-civil-war-inside-turkeys-descent-political-social-and-economic-chaos

 

Turkey is getting into chaos too. Another country could become a victim of this conflict.

First you people should make some facts clear. Iraq and Syria were "regional" states which were "created" by political and economical interests of the major western powers after WWI.

 

Turkey is not a regional state, it is not even founded by a politic treaty. Turkey is the descendant of those Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, it may has some serious flaws like as dangerous social illness and ignorance which are coming from some religious sick traditional doings and other maladaptive cultural codes.( Erdogan -and also his "old" party AKP's ossified voter core formed by those sick people who lives in sick old tradition.)

 

Anyway, it is still a major nation, old major culture as well as Turkish-Anatolian state dynamics have thousand of years hardcore governing experience over lots of ethnic groups with an istitutional empire and extremely organised army tradition.(Thanks to nomadic, Byzantine and Ottoman's high level empire cultures.) Turkish people could be united and organised so easily as a state like they could be enemy against themselves easily for some political, visional or cultural differences. Life in Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir, west coast, also mainland of Anatolia and Rumeli business as usual generally. So don't think those Turks like heavily armed aggressive Arabs who sit on a desert all day. Both people are very different. Modern or conservative, socialist or nationalist whatever, I am definetly sure that Turks are more social and reasonable people than Arabs. It is a fact.

[MaXWebeR]

Anyone seen the situation in Turkey at the moment?

People have been rioting and smashing up Chinese owned businesses and attacking Asian tourists, due to the Chinese governments treatment of Turkic Uighurs. Now they've attacked the Thai Embassy for deporting 100 Uighurs back to China.

The retarded thing is, a lot of the Chinese restaurants and things that have been destroyed were actually owned by Uighurs.

 

Turkey's really going down a hole. Every day there are people arrested for speaking out against the government, even making jokes on Facebook will get the police booting down your door. Erdogan's a madman on some crazy power trip with some delusion about bringing back the Ottoman Empire.

 

Honestly, I really don't think Turkey's future looks bright, the young and educated are either moving abroad or rioting against the government, the religious right is growing rapidly along with nationalism and racism, the situation with the Kurds is looking worse everyday. I really hope this somehow resolves peacefully, but I honestly think the situation in Syria is going to push Turkeys issues to the boiling point and I don't know what will happen then, but it won't be good.

 

You maybe right about that Turkey's future looks not so bright, the Turkish economy is not productive enough because our academic system's education capabilities are still weak so Turkey doesn't have modern and qualified middle class workers enough. "Sick" nations usually have bad economies and "weak" people. Remember that.

 

Also yes, Turkey is dominated by center right religious and nationalists but your so called "rioting" people who were attacking eastern people and Chinese restaurants were Ulkucu's. The Ulkucus are ultra nationalist fascit group with a limited number. They are fanatic partisan core of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Basic MHP voters usually aren't aggressive like that. There is a sensitive line between the AKP and MHP's conservative masses. Also this time, Erdogan has bigger problems than Ottoman dreams or Syria. Haven't you people ever heard about Fettullah Gulen? The communion?

 

Sorry for the bad English by the way.

[acmilano]

 

Anyone seen the situation in Turkey at the moment?

People have been rioting and smashing up Chinese owned businesses and attacking Asian tourists, due to the Chinese governments treatment of Turkic Uighurs. Now they've attacked the Thai Embassy for deporting 100 Uighurs back to China.

The retarded thing is, a lot of the Chinese restaurants and things that have been destroyed were actually owned by Uighurs.

 

Turkey's really going down a hole. Every day there are people arrested for speaking out against the government, even making jokes on Facebook will get the police booting down your door. Erdogan's a madman on some crazy power trip with some delusion about bringing back the Ottoman Empire.

 

Honestly, I really don't think Turkey's future looks bright, the young and educated are either moving abroad or rioting against the government, the religious right is growing rapidly along with nationalism and racism, the situation with the Kurds is looking worse everyday. I really hope this somehow resolves peacefully, but I honestly think the situation in Syria is going to push Turkeys issues to the boiling point and I don't know what will happen then, but it won't be good.

 

You maybe right about that Turkey's future looks not so bright, the Turkish economy is not productive enough because our academic system's education capabilities are still weak so Turkey doesn't have modern and qualified middle class workers enough. "Sick" nations usually have bad economies and "weak" people. Remember that.

 

Also yes, Turkey is dominated by center right religious and nationalists but your so called "rioting" people who were attacking eastern people and Chinese restaurants were Ulkucu's. The Ulkucus are ultra nationalist fascit group with a limited number. They are fanatic partisan core of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Basic MHP voters usually aren't aggressive like that. There is a sensitive line between the AKP and MHP's conservative masses. Also this time, Erdogan has bigger problems than Ottoman dreams or Syria. Haven't you people ever heard about Fettullah Gulen? The communion?

 

Sorry for the bad English by the way.

 

Hey,do you know maybe what is the situation with conflict between Turkish Army and PKK? News said that there was a lot of victims in eastern Turkey. Also was those clashes reason why all those refugies are now escaping to Balkan and Europe.?

[Avskygod0]

The entire middle east can be described as: Too many religions and false flags. As a true European the only acceptable solution is to take the place for ourselves, and force stabilization, as in actually stabilize the place and not hearts and minds garbage

[Tchuck]

Too many religions and false flags? What? Do you even listen to the words you think up?

 

"True European".... Lol.

 

No, the only acceptable solution is not to "take the place for yourselves". The only solution is to stop interfering when the west isn't welcome/needed, to handle the refugee crisis properly, and provide support for those fighting ISIS and other destructive forces.

 

Really, dude, just get out of this subforum. It's for the grown ups.

[Dingdongs]

God save the King

[Eutyphro]

The fact that someone is actually able to formulate a serious response to that comment surprises me.

[Pete4000uk]

It's all kicking off over Syria today

[Mrdankles]

Why do people care so much what goes on over there unless you live there. Countries should worry about themselves.

[sivispacem]

Because this isn't 9000BC and events occurring in foreign countries actually affect us?

[Stephan90]

There are reports that Putin's airforce was bombing the Syrian, moderate opposition instead of ISIS. Not sure if true. But it would cause a greater diplomatic conflict, because the United States don't want a solution with Assad.

[sivispacem]

The locations of reputed airstrikes are centred on areas held by the FSA and don't correlate with major IS strongholds. Russia aren't bombing IS, they're bombing the moderates.

[Stephan90]

It is sad that this becomes more and more an East-West conflict because Assad is Putin's ally and vice versa.

[acmilano]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/chinese-warship-on-its-way-to-syria/article7707301.ece

 

Looks like China is entering into conflict too.

[Der_Don]

So I read about America bombing a Doctors-without-borders-hospital in Kundus a few days ago. I was of the impression that this is just another case of collateral damage like the hundreds of other incidents over the last decade. Horrible, but kinda "normal" by now. Now I read that the US military had the exact GPS-coordinates of the organization's hospital. So they must have known that the building they are bombing, is a hospital. And after the first attack Washington has been informed what kind of building they're targeting. Yet their attack went on for another 30 minutes. They killed 19 people, 12 doctors and 7 patients, and wounded another 37. This is not collateral damage, this is war crime.

 

https://twitter.com/MSF_uk/status/650244285124751360

https://twitter.com/pollylondon/status/650260410487148544

[Raavi]

From what I gathered the Afghans claimed that a number of Taliban insurgents had entrenched themselves inside the hospital. Whilst the MSF denies that there were even any wounded Taliban in the hospital at the time, let alone a group of insurgents that used the hospital as a fighting position.

 

This could indeed be seen as a violation of international law. To quote Article 19 of the Geneva Convention:

 

"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy."

Whilst it could be argued by the Afghans and the US that they had credible intelligence that there were indeed able-bodied Taliban on the grounds of the hospital, they as it would appear now did not warn the hospital beforehand. Making this a possible war crime. That being said even if the UN finds it to be a war crime, there really is only so much they can do about it, which is basically nothing. The UN is an organisation with a lot of bark but little to no actual bite.

[GTA_stu]

It also comes at a time when the West was rallying hard against the Russian intervention in Syria saying it will "lead to civilian deaths". Then not even 24 hours later we go and blow up a hospital. Then the other day Obama was saying "Russian strikes will lead to increased radicalisation and extremism" yh not like that hasn't already been happening for over a decade thanks to Western efforts or anything.

 

Comical levels of hypocrisy.

[sivispacem]

The fact it's hypocritical doesn't preclude us bring right, though. Great power politics has always been vwced on "do as I say, not as I do".

[Stephan90]

It is pretty ironical that Obama and Ban Ki Moon want an investigation on one single bombing, while the UN declared the whole Iraq war as illegal, but there were no punishments for that.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

Edited October 4, 2015 by Stephan90

[undertaker fan]

Simply UN is a big joke!

[sivispacem]

That's not really irony.