Sofa Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) The gta franchise being misogynistic? Yes sure, if you want to redefine the word....why not. Did a bunch of "good folk" just learn this word recently? It pops up in popular culture alot lately. Well, here is another: -fallacy- As in [this case] labeling a work of entertainment that consists mainly of juvenalian satire and parodies by claiming directly or indirectly that its featured stereotypes are intented as an actual depiction of the demographic. Or a indirect and unintentional or otherwise, statement of actual opinions, ideals, values or world view not publicly expressed by the developer. That would be misinterpreting the genre completely, as in Poes law, one might say. Stahp bein so srs..... Honestly I feel really bad for Floyd. He had a girlfriend who was f*cking some dude on a 'business trip', a weeded-out cousin who's a lapdog for the most psychotic person in the GTA universe, and that same psychotic person eventually killed him AND his girlfriend. Damn. Well, i have to admit i found it quite funny how he's getting walked on, the sty the condo turns into by the uninvited sure brings back memories. Floyd is a pure beta, as one dimensional as everyone else, betas get stepped on. Betas should be stepped on, untill they stand up in indignation and develop selfrespect. I've had a few "trevorish friends", when faced with wades, rons, and floyds, they go into alpha mode, but if your boundaries are clear, they're harmless to you and quite likeable. I guess i blame betas, they're annoying enablers. Without betas there would be no effective "politically correct" rhetoric getting irrelevant support for irrelevant issues. Who should care if someone gets offended by art or entertainment? Noone but the offended! Posturing is pointless. As long there is no actual political discrimination, no harm, no foul. I'd welcome a female protagonist as long as she is not softened, the franchise has surely been missing out on this. There's plenty of female [criminal] archetypes to derive a interesting character without a sexualized basis. My favorite would be something of a griselda blanco type, a sadistic, ruthless and effective woman with a leading position in a drug cartel, i bet griselda would have eaten your babies to convince you to settle your debt. But i don't think current writers would be up for it, first off, they are not that good really, secondly, i doubt they will deviate much from the current formula, if at all. It's not broken if it brings record profits. The housers are the tarantino of the gaming industry(not necessarily a compliment). Edited September 19, 2014 by Sofa The_Wizzard_73 and Mr_Leone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pau Diaz Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 I read that R* decided to scrap a female protagonist at the last minute. Now if this isn't a blatant attempt to undermine woman's potential in a video game, I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well, however Rockstar wishes to portray women, they always deny them the chance to come out on top. They get them out of the way by either killing them or removing them from the story. I reckoned that the story-line with Johnny and Ashley could have gone on longer, but, Johnny's remark of 'you can kill yourself on your own,' - a fine show of indifference and lack of empathy. We never see how they reconcile until we see Ashley getting banged by Trevor in GTA V - a very fine way to show a lack of consideration for Ashley. Really, seeing Ashley getting corn holed by Trevor after five years of waiting to see what came next, only to witness Johnny getting killed, without doing something was a big slap in the face, in my view. She could have pulled a gun and fired a warning shot to save her boyfriend, but no, she just stood by and watched it happen. Anything else to her credit? She dies in a heroine orgy! If this doesn't exemplify repression of the woman, tell me what does! Johnny goes to Trevor (knowing he's a f*cked up psycho to begin with) for banging his girl and later saying he still loves her. Trevor brutally kills him, smashing his head so hard that a piece of Johnny's brain gets stuck on Trevor's shoe. As for Ashley, it is up to you to choose whether you want to kill or spare her. Despite Johnny's brutal death and him taking a stand to get his girl back.... in your opinion, Ashley was repressed??? You and the people who think like you need some serious, professional help. Or just step down the feminist bandwagon and start thinking objectively for once. Or, even better, stop playing GTA alltogether, this game is obviously not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detective Phelps Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 ^Still doesn't change the fact that she dies anyway. Even if you spare her, she dies... ... in a heroine orgy! Pau Diaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Read the whole post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detective Phelps Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Only if you read mine. Anyway, I was only pointing out that she dies, even if you spare her. I wasn't talking about how her character was represented or anything. I have already made my point clear. Sex sells, and the video gaming industry is eager to capitalise on this. And it's not just sex. Women are also shown as weak (e.g Ashley). Once again, it's not only R*. This is a common practice in the video games industry. They make the women either sexualised, stressy, or weak. Check my posts on the previous pages, and you'll see. This isn't just R*. Ubisoft, Deep Silver, and a lot of others do this as well. Edited September 19, 2014 by Detective Phelps Pau Diaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pau Diaz Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Well, however Rockstar wishes to portray women, they always deny them the chance to come out on top. They get them out of the way by either killing them or removing them from the story. I reckoned that the story-line with Johnny and Ashley could have gone on longer, but, Johnny's remark of 'you can kill yourself on your own,' - a fine show of indifference and lack of empathy. We never see how they reconcile until we see Ashley getting banged by Trevor in GTA V - a very fine way to show a lack of consideration for Ashley. Really, seeing Ashley getting corn holed by Trevor after five years of waiting to see what came next, only to witness Johnny getting killed, without doing something was a big slap in the face, in my view. She could have pulled a gun and fired a warning shot to save her boyfriend, but no, she just stood by and watched it happen. Anything else to her credit? She dies in a heroine orgy! If this doesn't exemplify repression of the woman, tell me what does! Johnny goes to Trevor (knowing he's a f*cked up psycho to begin with) for banging his girl and later saying he still loves her. Trevor brutally kills him, smashing his head so hard that a piece of Johnny's brain gets stuck on Trevor's shoe. As for Ashley, it is up to you to choose whether you want to kill or spare her. Despite Johnny's brutal death and him taking a stand to get his girl back.... in your opinion, Ashley was repressed??? You and the people who think like you need some serious, professional help. Or just step down the feminist bandwagon and start thinking objectively for once. Or, even better, stop playing GTA alltogether, this game is obviously not for you. Well, surely Ashley wouldn't have been so blind as to not predict what might have happened. She must've known known Trevor's type well enough to predict that he'd have attacked Johnny. One way R* shows its misogyny is by making Ashley stupid enough to fall for a guy like Trevor and be deluded enough to believe that he'd provide her and Johnny with their fixes. I don't know if in real life, the girlfriend of the president of a biker gang, however small, would run the risk of putting her boyfriend in the position in such danger, and if she did, she'd have done it in order to set up Trevor to be killed himself for whatever reason. I like GTA in every other aspect. I am not going to stop playing it. True, I am not for the way that women are treated in the game, but the rest of it is very creative, adventurous, witty, even funny, at times. It's a good mental exercise, which actually helps me plan and carry out my daily routine. Edited September 19, 2014 by Pau Diaz Detective Phelps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vannimon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well, I always found the way Rockstar portrayed women humorous, as that was the intent, humor. Anyone offended is just a moron as Rockstar is doing it for humor. If you're offended, don't play the damn games! My case is closed. Good day all, and live long and prosper! Sofa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Where are the Kikis, Kates, and Elizabetas? My problem is that almost all the females in the game aren't really characters, but caricatures, just there to make some sort of statement about the world Pau Diaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Well, however Rockstar wishes to portray women, they always deny them the chance to come out on top. They get them out of the way by either killing them or removing them from the story. I reckoned that the story-line with Johnny and Ashley could have gone on longer, but, Johnny's remark of 'you can kill yourself on your own,' - a fine show of indifference and lack of empathy. We never see how they reconcile until we see Ashley getting banged by Trevor in GTA V - a very fine way to show a lack of consideration for Ashley. Really, seeing Ashley getting corn holed by Trevor after five years of waiting to see what came next, only to witness Johnny getting killed, without doing something was a big slap in the face, in my view. She could have pulled a gun and fired a warning shot to save her boyfriend, but no, she just stood by and watched it happen. Anything else to her credit? She dies in a heroine orgy! If this doesn't exemplify repression of the woman, tell me what does! Johnny goes to Trevor (knowing he's a f*cked up psycho to begin with) for banging his girl and later saying he still loves her. Trevor brutally kills him, smashing his head so hard that a piece of Johnny's brain gets stuck on Trevor's shoe. As for Ashley, it is up to you to choose whether you want to kill or spare her. Despite Johnny's brutal death and him taking a stand to get his girl back.... in your opinion, Ashley was repressed??? You and the people who think like you need some serious, professional help. Or just step down the feminist bandwagon and start thinking objectively for once. Or, even better, stop playing GTA alltogether, this game is obviously not for you. Well, surely Ashley wouldn't have been so blind as to not predict what might have happened. She must've known known Trevor's type well enough to predict that he'd have attacked Johnny. One way R* shows its misogyny is by making Ashley stupid enough to fall for a guy like Trevor and be deluded enough to believe that he'd provide her and Johnny with their fixes. I don't know if in real life, the girlfriend of the president of a biker gang, however small, would run the risk of putting her boyfriend in the position in such danger, and if she did, she'd have done it in order to set up Trevor to be killed himself for whatever reason. I like GTA in every other aspect. I am not going to stop playing it. True, I am not for the way that women are treated in the game, but the rest of it is very creative, adventurous, witty, even funny, at times. It's a good mental exercise, which actually helps me plan and carry out my daily routine. My university professor (with a PhD...) wanted to prove that our local children's stories and the new Harry Potter series were all degrading towards women and that these books/works should be banned so that our poor children are safe from such bad influence. So sorry if my post was a little aggressive, but such people piss me off in a number of ways. Especially when you had to take one of her classes and adopt her opinion if you wanted to pass her exam. If you look at it, misogyny is everywhere. Not just in games, but everywhere if you're persistent enough to look for it. The point of GTA is making fun of society the way it is. GTA V centres around three main protagonists, all from a different social class (Michael - rich, Franklin - the hood, Trevor - redneck county; what's ironic about Trevor is that he's Canadian, but is actually more "American" than the Americans themselves). Of course you won't see women from the hood hold high positions in society because that's how it is in real life too. You also won't see many intelligent women in a typical redneck society because there are none. Whereas in Michael's world, people, both men AND women, have their own problems and are far from saints. But bashing GTA because of misogyny alone? I know it's mainstream in 2014 to promote feminism (have a look at the new EU commissariate under Juncker - the guy made it public that he wouldn't confirm the new EU commission if there weren't at least 8 women in it; this is where you start thinking... are we gonna choose our candidates based on their experience, knowledge and morals, or based on their sex? This doesn't feel like 21st century at all), but this is really starting to get old and annoying. Just imagine if Juncker said that there should be at least 10 muslims/christians/white people/black people/whatever in the commission - people would freak out. Edited September 19, 2014 by ribon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landotel Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well I hope some people realized that the GTA series is based on stereotypes and that R* was never really being sexist in the game so I'll list almost everyone down as either protagonist, antagonist, main characters, and even some static characters. Michael de Santa - Middle aged man who can't even take care of his own kids Franklin Clinton - The "gangsta" who is trying to get out of the hood Trevor Philips - One crazy sociopath and that Trevor could be bi Lester Crest - fat, smart, and disabled nerd Dave Norton - Typical corrupt agent Lamar Davis - Typical crazy gangster Devin Weston - Middle aged man who only cares about his money and that does yoga Amanda de Santa - Cheating wife Jimmy de Santa - Fat stoner kid that only plays video games Tracey de Santa - Some party girl Brad Snider - A sociopath's friend Harold "Stretch" Joseph - A gangster who just got out from prison and then plans to betray his homies Wei Chang - Chinese triad leader Martin Madrazo - a Cartel leader Solomon Richards - A fading away director who can only make crappy movies now Ron Jakowski - A paranoid conspiracy theorist out from the city Wade Hebert - some type of Juggalo parody Molly Schultz - A serious lawyer who works with some rich bullsh*tter (best way to explain this description) Isiah Friedlander - Your typical greedy therapist who barely listens to you Simeon Yetarian - A business man who calls it "legit" when you realize that you were getting ripped off Fabien LaRouche - Just some yoga teacher who is a pervert The_Wizzard_73, VolkXue and Pau Diaz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shattered-minds Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Satire seems to be the get out of "jail free card" when it comes to the sexism argument and whilst I agree with it to a point, I don't think it's as clear cut as that. For it to be satire, it needs to be satirising something and sometimes it can be hard to see what that something is. GTA's satire has always been hit and miss, mainly because I think the writing of characters is lazy. They rely heavily on stereotypes and try to portray it as satire. But they tend not to satirise that character trope, instead the the characters just end up playing into those stereotypes. Outside of characters, their satire is almost spot on. LA, and in turn, LS is a place of extremes. One end it is full of vapid, shallow people that will do anything to make it to the stop of stardom and stay there. Then on the other end you have the slums with gangsters who complain about how hard life is on the streets and at the same time relish it and mock those try to break away from their silly little gangs. Mix that in their websites, radio shows and tv shows, satirising everything from america's gun obsession, attitudes towards sex and women, obsession with celebrity culture, extreme patriotism etc. I don't think that R* are inherently sexist or misogynist. I just think they can't write characters outside of stereotypes and that makes them appear sexist. Sofa, Xerukal, OneManCrimeWave and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbatron Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) I've said it last page, and I will say it again, I don't think R* treat its female characters unfairly at all. Paige Harris and Taliana Martinez are amongst the two most competent heist members (aside from the moral issues, but that is the same for male characters). Also Particia Madrazo surely has to be respected for managing to develop a hold over both the two (arguably) most psychotic characters in the game. Yes some female characters are based on stereotypes, but it is the same with the males. The only hint of sexism is that the protagonists have been male dominated. That is surely because they realise the majority of players are male, and it helps with identification. One of the big problems they had with Trevor (whilst imho, an innovative character), some fans clearly didn't identify with him because he killed Johnny/occasionally woke up in a dress/wasn't professional enough for some people's tastes. Edited September 19, 2014 by Jimbatron Xerukal, OneManCrimeWave and The_Wizzard_73 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iam2fresh Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 well the men are just fat, lazy, selfish or/and stupid assholes so i think it balances out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Wizzard_73 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) OMFG....! Ok, I couldn't take it any longer. I have to post this ONE little tidbit then finish reading the rest of these posts. Sofa, Ribon, Jimbatron & a couple others I gave thumbs up to. You're 100% correct! Thank You!! Lemme add this for the misinformed, young, naive... Meth. Crystal. Ice. What the hell ever you wanna call it, is BAD STUFF people! And those thinking R*'s portrayal of Ashley was wrong, unfair, blah blah blah, obviously have NEVER seen what this drug does to people. My point? Ashley is a friggin junkie!! She will bend over for ANY one for her next fix. Johnny? He got punked by that Italian dude in TLAD (Ray?) because Ray used Ashley to get what he wanted. She's a Meth-head! Plain & simple. Johnny got punked by Billy from the word Go in that game. And, he got dead because he tried to be high & mighty against ANOTHER meth'd up psycho... Trevor! I guess those that didn't actually play the game never realized Trevor was addicted to meth too? Prostitutes are just that. Low esteem women who are probably hooked on drugs too, so sell some tail for the next hit. Strippers? Easy money earned while providing perverted men & flat billed frat boys with a fantasy of sex. Pointless to even mention NPC's, right? Tracey was spoiled brat who really wasn't that bright. Amanda was the typical spoiled housewife who was neglected by her husband who'd rather fool around with another woman. Forgot the fact Amanda WAS a stripper when Michael met her! Show of hands that think the portrayal of Trevor's mom wasn't what you'd expect? My hand isn't raised. She's EXACTLY what I expected! LoL!! I didn't wanna go on & on about this subject. Those that think the same as the media complaining about this game, you need to live. Maybe even grow up? Carry on. Edited September 20, 2014 by The_Wizzard_73 Sofa and OneManCrimeWave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMisanthrope Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 ..... Okay than. I thought this topic was gonna be something entirely different... Wow. You guys must be real bored to go into that sort of detailed discussion on this topic. It's a f*cking video game, and quite frankly I love the offensive, satirical, stereotypical approach that Rockstar uses. I don't usually make childish remarks but I'm gonna this time, I hope the next GTA is even more offensive than this one just in spite of you people who create such idiotic threads. It's kinda sad. It's almost like you guys wanted the game to resemble every day real life, mundane personalities. It would've made a very boring game with such a creative cinematic approach. Mind you I'm not saying that is the point you're all making, but I just take it as you would've done it differently or wish they had. While I'm all for what most of you speak of, I just don't believe this is the place to conversate of such things, and once again over a video game, a video game meant to target those with a silly or sick sense of humor. I loved the introduction to Trevor when he stomps Johnny's skull to bits. The part where I ran Ashley over and Wade commentted about it. haha I liked when he killed Floyd and Debora and walked out of the apartment covered in their blood. Was it screwed up? Yes, but it fit perfectly to how Trevor would deal with the situation. As a matter of fact everything about the game was well done and fit like a glove. Nothing about it was normal, nor was it ever suppose to be, neither do I think it should have. It's a game that was meant to be vulgar and offensive in some areas and it should always remain that way. That's just MY take, and opinion on it. Either way I'm done here you can all talk about this crap all you want to. Be my guest.... haha The_Wizzard_73 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhmuhhuh Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Women in GTAV: Prostitutes/porn stars (e.g Tracey), strippers (the unicorn, Blood-is-in-Diamond's hideout), the bitch (Debra and Molly). There's also the cheat (Amanda), and the fat one (Maude). I agree with Fuzz. The only reason women are presented like sex objects is because of the audience, the CoD kids who don't know how to respect women. Surely you are just as bad by saying fat women and bitchy women are just bitches and fat. Like that doesnt mean they have anything else to them. Is Molly even a bitch? Shes a business woman and thats all we see her as. Some of the prostitutes wont cheat etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detective Phelps Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Some of the prostitutes wont cheat. Prostitutes don't cheat? How the f*ck is that possible? You mean the strippers, right? Any more comments on the sexualisation of most female characters? I'm very interested on your opinions on this. Surely you are just as bad by saying [that] fat women and bitchy women are just bitches and fat. But those characters are bitchy/fat. I was only pointing that out! All female characters in GTA V fit into at least 1 of the categories I've posted in previous pages. Like that doesn[']t mean they have anything else to them. Tell me more about Denise, then. Or Molly. What else does Denise have? (other than her Vaginal power sessions, or whatever the f*ck they are) Edited September 20, 2014 by Detective Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhmuhhuh Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Some of the prostitutes wont cheat. Prostitutes don't cheat? How the f*ck is that possible? You mean the strippers, right? Any more comments on the sexualisation of most female characters? I'm very interested on your opinions on this. Surely you are just as bad by saying [that] fat women and bitchy women are just bitches and fat. But those characters are bitchy/fat. I was only pointing that out! All female characters in GTA V fit into at least 1 of the categories I've posted in previous pages. Like that doesn[']t mean they have anything else to them. Tell me more about Denise, then. Or Molly. What else does Denise have? (other than her Vaginal power sessions, or whatever the f*ck they are) Being fat isnt a trait though! You can be fat and cool, you can be fat and a bitch. Maude just happens to be fat (and old I guess) We dont know what else Denise or Molly have because they dont extend their characters. That doesnt mean they dont have other aspects to them we just see whats needed in the storyline. It is hinted with Molly that she isnt actually that bad she is just doing her job and fancies Devin so overlooks his flaws. She is more antisocial than a bitch I reckon. (she has no hobbies etc). She wasnt particularily nasty to Franklin until he told her she stands no chance with Weston. She is depicted as being one of the most intelligent people in the game. Debra too is portrayed as being much more intelligent and successful than her idiot husband Floyd. That doesnt sound like sexist writing to me, quite the opposite. I would say Denise is a strong willed family woman who was willing to look after Franklin even if he was a pain in the arse until he went too far. Then she decided to look out for herself and wanted a career (as odd a choice as it was) so again these are actually good traits and not ones that sexually pigeon hole a character. Everyone can fit into one character if you break it down that way. But thats not the only character traits they have. Oh and I meant the lap dancers not the prostitutes! Even with Amanda, I would say she cant be defined as just being a cheat. Michael is hardly the perfect husband so there are reasons for her to do what she does. Every character in the game is flawed in one way or another (like humans in general) i dont think their sex has got anything to do with it. Edited September 20, 2014 by muhmuhhuh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pau Diaz Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Where are the Kikis, Kates, and Elizabetas? My problem is that almost all the females in the game aren't really characters, but caricatures, just there to make some sort of statement about the world Yeah, I think so, too. I haven't run accross Kiki yet. I'll check her out to achieve my 100% ratio, but I agree with you. Kate is a caricature of a depressed woman who grew up with brothers that turned to crime to get revenge on their father for beating them. She's an exaggerated portrayal of a person who's repressed guilt for a long time and hides it under a veneer of self-sufficiency and lack of preparedness for a relationship. Elizabeta is overweight due to her excessive taking of drugs and decadent lifestyle. She's an over-inflated and oversimplified image of an abused child that took to extreme measures, instead of using her head a little more, very aptly fitting the profile of a racial stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlitoDorito Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 There's Trevor's mum/mom. The old hag, a weird accent and i wanted to kill her! but other than that she's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanje Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Also one more thing, i don't get the "all women are bitches or useless in this game (or whatever your trying to say) except the fat ones, but it don't matter because they are fat" so you are all for women to be shown in strong roles... unless they are fat? IDK it just seems like if you are fighting for women's rights you should be all for any scene showing a woman who knows how to get things done and take care of herself regardless if shes fat, ugly, frigid, etc maybe i am way off base though idk, but i respected the hell out of Elizebeta, Maude, Molly, they made something of themselves, and i thought so regardless of their looks :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtafaninwest Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I sure hope feminists and these dumb broads won't ruin the GTA franchise like they have everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I read that R* decided to scrap a female protagonist at the last minute. Now if this isn't a blatant attempt to undermine woman's potential in a video game, I don't know what is. Please don't try and make up false information to try and support your view, you're on a forum with a large group of people who tear through the games codes and files, there was never any "female" protagonist unless you count "last minute" as sometime in 2008 when they first started writing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Well, surely Ashley wouldn't have been so blind as to not predict what might have happened. She must've known known Trevor's type well enough to predict that he'd have attacked Johnny. One way R* shows its misogyny is by making Ashley stupid enough to fall for a guy like Trevor and be deluded enough to believe that he'd provide her and Johnny with their fixes. I don't know if in real life, the girlfriend of the president of a biker gang, however small, would run the risk of putting her boyfriend in the position in such danger, and if she did, she'd have done it in order to set up Trevor to be killed himself for whatever reason. Did you play "The Lost and Damned"? That's the character of Ashley, she constantly lets her addiction get the best of her leading her into the arms of people who are bad for me, it's how she got The Lost involved with the whole Diamond fiasco in Liberty City which lead to Jim being killed (by Niko) and the club house being trashed to the point where they had to burn it down. Johnny even says at the end of the game that he's done with Ashley, he's had enough and just wants to cut her out of his life as she brings nothing but trouble their way because of her addiction to crystal. Therefore her portrayal in GTAV is keeping in with the character, it's JOHNNY who's done a u-turn personality wise, we didn't expect him to go back to Ashley AND start using again, which lead to him becoming that weak shell we see in GTAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 And to round it off, I sense a couple of members here are really playing up their role, but whatever, we have choice to do that. Rockstar are not sexist, especially as they've written one of the best female characters of the previous gaming generation. Two in fact. Go and play Red Dead Redemption and see how the game has woman on BOTH sides of the scale, yes you have the damsels in distress, the hookers, barmaids, etc, but then you also have the strong women who don't fit in those stereotypes, you have Bonnie Macfarlane, Louisa, and Abigail Marsten who are very interesting characters (Louisa less so because she's a kind of sterotype rebel thing going on), Bonnie is incredible, and how the writing handles her is just amazing, always keeping her as a wise ally who will help John as long as he helps her and the farm in return and Abigail is written just as well despite only being in the game for the final third chapter. In fact you could say RDR has a better portrayal of morale based characters, which is seen in the main character throughout the game, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolstream Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Why is this always a topic in the gaming community? Who gives a flying ****, it's all pixels on a screen. If that honestly upsets you, how a game character acts in a virtual world.. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Everyone's a target. There are no exceptions, no grudges. The Housers just love to spray their alcohol-fueled urine onto anything and everything. If you're gonna get upset about it, be upset with everyone else. Do not exclude yourself as a "special case" group. We're all in this satirical clusterf*ck together. TheMisanthrope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolstream Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Everyone's a target. There are no exceptions, no grudges. The Housers just love to spray their alcohol-fueled urine onto anything and everything. If you're gonna get upset about it, be upset with everyone else. Do not exclude yourself as a "special case" group. We're all in this satirical clusterf*ck together. I'm in no way a special case. Apparently, if I don't have an issue with it, I'm an asshole. At least, that's what I take from all of this. Edited September 22, 2014 by Coolstream TheMisanthrope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) I was replying to the overall concept of singling out the treatment of women in GTA V and being upset about it only, while ignoring the fact that the opposite gender (and other races/religions/cultures) are treated just as bad, if not worse in some areas. The point I'm making has been made several times over in the thread anyway, though. GTA doesn't focus on one group only and decides to have a grudge. It targets everyone and everything equally. Wasn't replying to you at all. Just the OP/general topic. Edited September 22, 2014 by Xerukal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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