Soft-body Physics on Next Gen?

[JohnDoe7125539271]

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

It's not that GTA V's crashing is more forgiving than GTA IV's, It's that GTA V added upgrades that counter it (armor and bulletproof tires) and some effects are turned off in multiplayer. GTA V's effects are much harsher than GTA IV's. People don't notice however because most of their time is likely in Online with their own personal car. Drive recklessly in Story Mode and your car or yourself won't make it out.

 

 

It definitely is. Of course there is a difference between your personal car in Online & a random car in Singleplayer. But still... compare V SP to IV SP. IV had a lot more damage. Compare V Online to IV Online, and there is more damage aswell. Damn, in V your car can be hit by a train, look like this, and you can still drive!

 

 

 

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

It's not that GTA V's crashing is more forgiving than GTA IV's, It's that GTA V added upgrades that counter it (armor and bulletproof tires) and some effects are turned off in multiplayer. GTA V's effects are much harsher than GTA IV's. People don't notice however because most of their time is likely in Online with their own personal car. Drive recklessly in Story Mode and your car or yourself won't make it out.

Exactly, most people have quite heavily armoured vehicles now in GTA online and they take a bashing.

 

 

Even without armor, they're way harder to bust up with crashes than in IV...

[gizmonomono]

 

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

It's not that GTA V's crashing is more forgiving than GTA IV's, It's that GTA V added upgrades that counter it (armor and bulletproof tires) and some effects are turned off in multiplayer. GTA V's effects are much harsher than GTA IV's. People don't notice however because most of their time is likely in Online with their own personal car. Drive recklessly in Story Mode and your car or yourself won't make it out.

Exactly, most people have quite heavily armoured vehicles now in GTA online and they take a bashing.

 

 

Even without armor, they're way harder to bust up with crashes than in IV...

 

They're not. They just explode before you can do it. That being said, put your car in front of a moving train to see how busted up it can get.

Edited September 1, 2014 by gizmonomono

[Ninja_Gear]

 

Would be fun.

Hell even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's

 

And some more:

 

If they do not upgrade their physics, it will be feeling like GTA SA does now on XBOX360 when you download it from XBL. It will feel extremely outdated as even its driving physics feel like PSx gen.

[gizmonomono]

 

Would be fun.

Hell even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's

 

And some more:

 

If they do not upgrade their physics, it will be feeling like GTA SA does now on XBOX360 when you download it from XBL. It will feel extremely outdated as even its driving physics feel like PSx gen.

 

"...even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's"

Yes, EVEN next gen games are better looking than GTA V. Hahaha

[arziben]

I really don't understand why they softened the cars so much from IV to V

the system in IV was realistic and pleasing, now all cars are f*cking armored...

[JohnDoe7125539271]

 

 

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

It's not that GTA V's crashing is more forgiving than GTA IV's, It's that GTA V added upgrades that counter it (armor and bulletproof tires) and some effects are turned off in multiplayer. GTA V's effects are much harsher than GTA IV's. People don't notice however because most of their time is likely in Online with their own personal car. Drive recklessly in Story Mode and your car or yourself won't make it out.

Exactly, most people have quite heavily armoured vehicles now in GTA online and they take a bashing.

 

 

Even without armor, they're way harder to bust up with crashes than in IV...

 

They're not. They just explode before you can do it. That being said, put your car in front of a moving train to see how busted up it can get.

 

 

Well... it still drives pretty. In IV you don't need to hit a train, to get squashed wheels as example.

[gizmonomono]

 

 

 

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

It's not that GTA V's crashing is more forgiving than GTA IV's, It's that GTA V added upgrades that counter it (armor and bulletproof tires) and some effects are turned off in multiplayer. GTA V's effects are much harsher than GTA IV's. People don't notice however because most of their time is likely in Online with their own personal car. Drive recklessly in Story Mode and your car or yourself won't make it out.

Exactly, most people have quite heavily armoured vehicles now in GTA online and they take a bashing.

 

 

Even without armor, they're way harder to bust up with crashes than in IV...

 

They're not. They just explode before you can do it. That being said, put your car in front of a moving train to see how busted up it can get.

 

 

Well... it still drives pretty. In IV you don't need to hit a train, to get squashed wheels as example.

 

It drives in Online. Single player is a different story.

[VercettiGuy]

All I want is that they take that stupid car explosion thing out. It's so annoying,everytime my car crashes on the roof it explodes.

[DevilDaRebel]

Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

What makes you think the game will run on a new engine? You do know that it is going to be a port right? Not like actually a brand new game that comes with it's own brand new engine. You will get better graphics, more grass, maybe a few animals here and there. That is it. None of this "new engine" crap.

 

Actually, there is a new engine, as seeing as we are getting 3d grasses and tree.

 

To have better "graphic" you need a new engine, or at least an updated one.

 

So it's just not a port.

 

 

 

Ummmm......no. That's not how engines work.

 

 

Whatever the case is, It's not a port. We are getting new stuff and updated things.

 

More like a re-mastered version.

 

 

A re-mastered version is just a port that has been shined up.

 

And no you are not getting new things, you are getting things from single player that the hardware can now handle in online.

 

 

Okay for the idiots saying it's a port.

 

HOW CAN IT BE A PORT IF WE ARE GETTING UPDATED THINGS?

 

A PORT IS JUST A COPY. GTA V ON CURRENT GEN IS NOT A COPY.

 

ffs.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Ibareny

[Ninja_Gear]

 

 

Would be fun.

Hell even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's

 

And some more:

 

If they do not upgrade their physics, it will be feeling like GTA SA does now on XBOX360 when you download it from XBL. It will feel extremely outdated as even its driving physics feel like PSx gen.

 

"...even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's"

Yes, EVEN next gen games are better looking than GTA V. Hahaha

 

Carmageddon isn't a high budget game, and GTA V is on par with PSx gen games. R* just dropped the ball when it comes to driving/damage physics.

[CarimboHanky]

some people are up for a huge disappointment when they release the same game but with "nicer" graphics...

[BondageKitty]

 

 

 

Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

 

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

 

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

 

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

 

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

 

What makes you think the game will run on a new engine? You do know that it is going to be a port right? Not like actually a brand new game that comes with it's own brand new engine. You will get better graphics, more grass, maybe a few animals here and there. That is it. None of this "new engine" crap.

Actually, there is a new engine, as seeing as we are getting 3d grasses and tree.

 

To have better "graphic" you need a new engine, or at least an updated one.

 

So it's just not a port.

 

 

Ummmm......no. That's not how engines work.

 

Whatever the case is, It's not a port. We are getting new stuff and updated things.

 

More like a re-mastered version.

 

A re-mastered version is just a port that has been shined up.

 

And no you are not getting new things, you are getting things from single player that the hardware can now handle in online.

 

 

Okay for the idiots saying it's a port.

 

HOW CAN IT BE A PORT IF WE ARE GETTING UPDATED THINGS?

 

A PORT IS JUST A COPY. GTA V ON CURRENT GEN IS NOT A COPY.

 

ffs.

It is both a port and a remaster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remaster

 

Also it is the very same engine, RAGE. You don't need separate engines for small things. An engine is the code that runs the game. Just look at all the games Rockstar has done with the same engine in the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Advanced_Game_Engine

Edited September 1, 2014 by BondageKitty

[CrazyDog150]

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

 

 

GTA IV was unrealistic as sh*t.

Of course a Sabre goes flying and spins 3 times while in the air when I crash a Patriot into it.

So realistic!

[161isaiah161]

It never happen due to not being possible (thats why racing games don't have it) and that 7 year olds will spam r on why they can't cheat races anymore

[BondageKitty]

It never happen due to not being possible (thats why racing games don't have it) and that 7 year olds will spam r on why they can't cheat races anymore

What do you mean not possible?

 

 

[streetx1xracer]

 

It never happen due to not being possible (thats why racing games don't have it) and that 7 year olds will spam r on why they can't cheat races anymore

What do you mean not possible?

 

 

I think he's referring to the power of the systems. Beam.ng has a lot of inputs going in just to make a crash realistic.

[Ninja_Gear]

 

 

It never happen due to not being possible (thats why racing games don't have it) and that 7 year olds will spam r on why they can't cheat races anymore

What do you mean not possible?

 

I think he's referring to the power of the systems. Beam.ng has a lot of inputs going in just to make a crash realistic.

 

Tell that to the creators of Burnout Paradise.

 

[Zwenkwiel]

 

Would be fun.

Hell even next gen Carmageddon's damage physics are indefinitely better then GTA V's

 

And some more:

 

If they do not upgrade their physics, it will be feeling like GTA SA does now on XBOX360 when you download it from XBL. It will feel extremely outdated as even its driving physics feel like PSx gen.

 

what is this?

I don't even....

How could I not know about this?

off to google for me, need to know more

thanks for bringing it to my attention though

 

 

Okay for the idiots saying it's a port.

 

HOW CAN IT BE A PORT IF WE ARE GETTING UPDATED THINGS?

 

A PORT IS JUST A COPY. GTA V ON CURRENT GEN IS NOT A COPY.

 

ffs.

 

it's a port, look it up before you start calling people idiots next time.

being wrong is one thing, antagonizing those trying to inform you only makes you look like an ass.

 

and finally to all the people saying GTA V dropped the ball

you can't just point to some racing game and say:" see their physics and damage is a lot better" while completely disregarding all the differences between a racing game and a big ass open world game like GTA V.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[Laveerre]

Would be nice, people wouldn't drive max speed their f*cking chrome Adders all the time

[Ninja_Gear]

 

Okay for the idiots saying it's a port.

 

HOW CAN IT BE A PORT IF WE ARE GETTING UPDATED THINGS?

 

A PORT IS JUST A COPY. GTA V ON CURRENT GEN IS NOT A COPY.

 

ffs.

 

 

it's a port, look it up before you start calling people idiots next time.

being wrong is one thing, antagonizing those trying to inform you only makes you look like an ass.

 

and finally to all the people saying GTA V dropped the ball

you can't just point to some racing game and say:" see their physics and damage is a lot better" while completely disregarding all the differences between a racing game and a big ass open world game like GTA V.

 

Ehms.. something went wrong there. I did not post that lol. PS Carmageddon for next gen looks pretty sweet.

[CarimboHanky]

Would be nice, people wouldn't drive max speed their f*cking chrome Adders all the time

 

OFF TOPIC

 

im always on my phone and visit the forum on "mobile version", so i never get to see peoples signatures.

 

im on my computer and have to tell you that your signature had me laughing for a good 15 minutes hahaha

[RSRocks]

I would Rockstar like to add the GTA IV driving physics, these were awesome! Hopefully this or an improved version in GTA 6!!!

[Ninja_Gear]

I would Rockstar like to add the GTA IV driving physics, these were awesome! Hopefully this or an improved version in GTA 6!!!

Well... it seems R* wants to please 12YOloswaggers who like Saints Row like gameplay. So GTA 6 will most likely be even more Saints Row like.

 

I agree with you though.

[Khelandros]

 

Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:Khelandros, on 01 Sept 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

 

Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:Ibareny, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

 

Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:Khelandros, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

What makes you think the game will run on a new engine? You do know that it is going to be a port right? Not like actually a brand new game that comes with it's own brand new engine. You will get better graphics, more grass, maybe a few animals here and there. That is it. None of this "new engine" crap.

 

Actually, there is a new engine, as seeing as we are getting 3d grasses and tree.

 

To have better "graphic" you need a new engine, or at least an updated one.

 

So it's just not a port.

 

 

 

Ummmm......no. That's not how engines work.

 

 

Whatever the case is, It's not a port. We are getting new stuff and updated things.

 

More like a re-mastered version.

 

 

A re-mastered version is just a port that has been shined up.

 

And no you are not getting new things, you are getting things from single player that the hardware can now handle in online.

 

 

Okay for the idiots saying it's a port.

 

HOW CAN IT BE A PORT IF WE ARE GETTING UPDATED THINGS?

 

A PORT IS JUST A COPY. GTA V ON CURRENT GEN IS NOT A COPY.

 

ffs.

 

 

Maybe you should go look up the definition of a port before you go around calling people idiots.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

*Being chased by a Cradder with a C4-wielding-arm sticking out would be much more dangerous(could be a pro, depending on player preference)

 

 

You mean a Chrentorno?

[Zwenkwiel]

Ehms.. something went wrong there. I did not post that lol. PS Carmageddon for next gen looks pretty sweet.

 

sorry bout that, messed up trying to delete the quote train, fixed it now.

[JohnDoe7125539271]

 

Unrelated, but liked the damage in IV a lot better than IV.

 

IV = crash into the wall with a speeding Sabre & enjoy driving with 3 wheels, if alive.

V = crash into the wall with a speeding Adder and... nothing happens.

 

The cars feel like toys in V & drive around corners like some miniature RC cars with Formula One speed. In IV they felt heavy, and you could really cause some damage with a fast Hummer. In V? You could crash a Panto 100 times, it would still drive.

 

GTA IV was unrealistic as sh*t.

Of course a Sabre goes flying and spins 3 times while in the air when I crash a Patriot into it.

So realistic!

 

 

But V isn't? The Sabre would be scrap metal, with the right speed. But atleast you're not able to drive it anymore in IV, while you can crash it into everything at any speed in V, and it still drives perfectly. Nobody said it was realistic, but it is definitely MORE realistic than V or any GTA.

 

You actually had to break before driving narrow city curves in IV, otherwise your car wheels might get stucked deep in your cars body. In V you're driving them with 200 Km/h-125 mph, and you can do it. And if you still crash, doing six barrel-rolls,... well, it doesn't matter. Your car is going to fine anyway.

 

SO realistic!

[BondageKitty]

 

 

 

 

It never happen due to not being possible (thats why racing games don't have it) and that 7 year olds will spam r on why they can't cheat races anymore

What do you mean not possible?

 

I think he's referring to the power of the systems. Beam.ng has a lot of inputs going in just to make a crash realistic.

 

Tell that to the creators of Burnout Paradise.

 

GTA IV's crash physics aren't too far behind from Burnout Paradise, Burnout Paradise uses many particles, car parts, slow motion and the exaggerated speed however.

 

Fun fact: Before adapting the RAGE engine, Rockstar Games used Renderware in games before GTA IV. That engine was used in Burnout Paradise and made by Criterion, the makers of said game.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RenderWare

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

the only physics that might need to be adjusted are the ones that make any sport car being decent offroad and most of them totaly ownign any suv or offroad vehicle when offroading

further then that, no.

gta isnt a pure racegame so it doesnt need such things at all

[PoeticWhisper]

Adjust what he have now. Make damaging your car a lot easier. Add the tires being hit off from singleplayer, and make it dent easier. Boom perfect.