Regarding jets and buzzards

[The Amazing Warrener]

The Buzzard is so easy to take out, come on...

Edited August 31, 2014 by The Amazing Warrener

[iTz-JoNeSy]

The Buzzard is so easy to take out, come on...

So I thought. I couldn't kill it for sh*t. I know exactly what I'm doing but this buzzard pussy wouldn't die and I have no idea why. The weapons seem like they're firing potato when it comes to air units. A lot of people just haven't faced a good buzzard pilot, which is why they are saying they aren't over powered. I literally couldn't spawn, couldn't hit the pilot even with auto aim picking him up, done little to no damage hitting it directly with mini gun and heavy sniper, couldn't get to my car, couldn't even drive my car. I was a trapped rat and had to go passive for my first time, something I wouldn't of needed to do patches ago. If I die 10 times before they finally crash, just imagine how many times lower ranks will die or how less experienced players die.

Edited August 31, 2014 by iTz-JoNeSy

[Sky_Light12]

 

The Buzzard is so easy to take out, come on...

So I thought. I couldn't kill it for sh*t. I know exactly what I'm doing but this buzzard pussy wouldn't die and I have no idea why. The weapons seem like they're firing potato when it comes to air units. A lot of people just haven't faced a good buzzard pilot, which is why they are saying they aren't over powered. I literally couldn't spawn, couldn't hit the pilot even with auto aim picking him up, done little to no damage hitting it directly with mini gun and heavy sniper, couldn't get to my car, couldn't even drive my car. I was a trapped rat and had to go passive for my first time, something I wouldn't of needed to do patches ago. If I die 10 times before they finally crash, just imagine how many times lower ranks will die or how less experienced players die.

 

just get chased by veteran pilot in a buzzard , i've get out from my sultan RS in middle of road then riddled his buzzard with minigun & combat MG to his body . i'm underestimated him by experinced gunner skill

just around 15 mins later separated from my friend , that pilot is using lazer but lucky i managed to hide in bank , however he's lucky because i'm not in narrow areas ( which makes diffcult to get hit by a jet )

Edited August 31, 2014 by Sky_Light12

[gorskiegangsta]

 

 

I've been griefed exponentially more with bullets and stickies. Rockstar can nerf everything in game, making guns fire rainbows, and griefers will still manage to find a way.

Buzzards and Jets don't need a nerf. Tanks didn't need one either. Rockstar just had to fix their spawn system and PV insurance policies regarding tanks/broke griefers, which they've done. If you're being griefed, report the perpetrator, vote to kick, go to passive mode, and/or switch sessions altogether. No point of losing sleep over it.

 

I'll never understand this logic. Why would you report somebody for using features that R* has implemented?

You should understand and accept the risk when entering a public lobby that not everybody will be playing nicely. Remember you can always find a new session.

Switching sessions is a point which I've clearly made. As for 'implemented features', Rockstar's reporting feature includes griefing.

 

 

 

 

 

I've been griefed exponentially more with bullets and stickies.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa! No! Hold the phone! This isn't you being griefed, this is "other people playing normally".

PERCEPTION ISSUE

Rockstar can nerf everything in game, making guns fire rainbows, and griefers will still manage to find a way.

Buzzards and Jets don't need a nerf. Tanks didn't need one either. Rockstar just had to fix their spawn system and PV insurance policies regarding tanks/broke griefers, which they've done.

Yes.

If you're being griefed, report the perpetrator, vote to kick, go to passive mode, and/or switch sessions altogether. No point of losing sleep over it.

Hmm, you're suffering from "victim culture" there. People attack each other all the time in free mode. Maybe you should stick to jobs or invite lobbies, which you can start from SP.The only perception issue here is you missing my point. I've made it perfectly clear that I'm against nerfs of any kind, and that ultimately you shouldn't be "losing sleep over it".

[iBUCKEYE]

Buzzards are impossible to take down?... What? In free aim, as long as there's not 2+ on you at once, they are very manageable. As for auto-aim? You're dead as soon as you get in the pilot's seat.

 

Jets are only scary when a good pilot is in one(there goes 85% of the population)

[iBUCKEYE]

If the pilot is decent enough there can be no chance to fight back at all, especially from the buzzard.

 

The buzzards rockets can easily shoot further than the minigun, so your only chance if the pilot simply shoots from a distance is a sniper. A good buzzard pilot will just fly over your head and start bobbing forward and backward so they can shoot you from an angle you cannot aim at. Then their is also the co-pilot rocket method where an RPG can be fired at a 90 degree angle and your screwed on ground.

 

If your solution for a Jet is to snipe them out, shut the f*ck up. Iv'e never been sniped out of a jet, and when I have hit the pilot, every time it only took a tiny amount of health off them.

 

 

 

I still don't agree with nerfing though. If your creative you can get away and call in your own buzzard without dying.

Buzzards aren't hard if you're competent.

 

 

As for jets, I sniped a kid out of his jet a week or two ago. Granted, he was using rockets(lol) and flying low, but its very much possible.(and most pilots are sh*t anyway).

 

Jets are only "OP" when you're out in the open or against a damn good pilot.

[Stephen]

If anything OP they make the Buzzard weaker with every patch. I swear it takes less bullets everytime to get it smoking and stalling out. The Buzzard that you get from random spawns are stronger than the ones you order up from Pegasus.

[Arrows to Athens]

Buzzards do take skill to use and master. Not only do you have to be a good pilot but you have to be a good aimer. The Buzzard can smoke easily and has a big window for you to get locked on by auto aim or sniped out of. A lot of turbulence can make it even more difficult for the buzzard user. But as a professional pilot like myself I try to keep a good distance between my opponent who is on foot so I can avoid being locked on to and getting insta killed. But I am always vulnerable to decent snipers. Due to the big window decent snipers can pick you off quite easily. A few sniper shots to the buzzard will make it smoke as well. You can pull out a minigun and take the pilot out very easily if you're decent at aiming. I encountered 2 players trying to take me down using a minigun and killed them both with the rockets because they're aim wasn't that good.

Edited August 31, 2014 by Fearx--

[iTz-JoNeSy]

Buzzards do take skill to use and master. Not only do you have to be a good pilot but you have to be a good aimer. The Buzzard can smoke easily and has a big window for you to get locked on by auto aim or sniped out of. A lot of turbulence can make it even more difficult for the buzzard user. But as a professional pilot like myself I try to keep a good distance between my opponent who is on foot so I can avoid being locked on to and getting insta killed. But I am always vulnerable to decent snipers. Due to the big window decent snipers can pick you off quite easily. A few sniper shots to the buzzard will make it smoke as well. You can pull out a minigun and take the pilot out very easily if you're decent at aiming. I encountered 2 players trying to take me down using a minigun and killed them both with the rockets because they're aim wasn't that good.

My mini gun was hitting it just fine. For some odd reason, he wasn't taking any damage. My combat MG had a perfect lock and still did nothing. I always manually aim after auto aim has locked on. I didn't get much time to do anything and sniping him was impossible because he didn't miss with a single missile (still wondering how he did this, it was like he was able to lock on to us). I had around 3 seconds before being blown up again. He was gliding pretty fast sideways and circling the area I spawn in. I've never seen such a Rambo buzzard in all my days. Jets are also becoming jet li's in the city and no building, tower or ninja turtle can save you when you have to focus on both ground units and air.

Edited August 31, 2014 by iTz-JoNeSy

[Fail_At_GTA]

Just want to say [email protected]

 

Clearly you haven't been against a good jet pilot. A single person cant snipe down my jet or even get close to hitting me with a minigun. Also you think jets just crash? Maybe you do, but people like myself can shoot under bridges fairly easily without being shot down or crashing, only a noob crashes.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Buzzards do take skill to use and master. Not only do you have to be a good pilot but you have to be a good aimer. The Buzzard can smoke easily and has a big window for you to get locked on by auto aim or sniped out of. A lot of turbulence can make it even more difficult for the buzzard user. But as a professional pilot like myself I try to keep a good distance between my opponent who is on foot so I can avoid being locked on to and getting insta killed. But I am always vulnerable to decent snipers. Due to the big window decent snipers can pick you off quite easily. A few sniper shots to the buzzard will make it smoke as well. You can pull out a minigun and take the pilot out very easily if you're decent at aiming. I encountered 2 players trying to take me down using a minigun and killed them both with the rockets because they're aim wasn't that good.

My mini gun was hitting it just fine. For some odd reason, he wasn't taking any damage. My combat MG had a perfect lock and still did nothing. I always manually aim after auto aim has locked on. I didn't get much time to do anything and sniping him was impossible because he didn't miss with a single missile (still wondering how he did this, it was like he was able to lock on to us). I had around 3 seconds before being blown up again. He was gliding pretty fast sideways and circling the area I spawn in. I've never seen such a Rambo buzzard in all my days. Jets are also becoming jet li's in the city and no building, tower or ninja turtle can save you when you have to focus on both ground units and air.

 

Maybe he was one of those IV hardcore players. These players are just nuts with their aiming. All they do i just play 24/7 and they're that good. I'm a pro at piloting and using the buzzard as a weapon against players but aiming with that thing while being locked on to is not easy. Not to mention that the blast radius of the Buzzard missiles are immense. I've noticed this a lot. Even if you shoot the missile like 6 feet away from a player they will still die. Maybe it's lag or the blast radius is too OP.

Edited August 31, 2014 by Fearx--

[MadeBrazen]

Reckon ive sussed it

 

You get the old heat seeking AA launcher but ammo is like 2 or 3k per missile and the reload time is longer than the musket.

 

Pilot gets one burst of counter measure tin foil or whatever. Can also escape a long distance shot (minimap needs an incoming fire direction indicator)

 

This should eliminate the griefing factor, pilot gets one kill, if he wants another he is gonna expose himself to AA or he will have to bugger off.

 

The expensive ammo should deter most people from just firing them off willy nilly (as rockstar get ever nearer to controlling the money properly) so pilots at least get a chance to fly around a bit.

 

Shabba!

[TWOGUN]

In my very very very capable hands the buzzard is severely Over powered . I rarely have to get within their weapon range to get the kill. It's not easy to do. That's why there is no portable anti air weapon .

[MrWuggy]

This is BS. Yes, the explosive cannon is probably OP but it's not a durable jet, a few shots with the heavy sniper and he'll fly away.

[kimle]

These two need massive nerfs. They've made weapons about as powerful as my super soaker, tanks into paper, and left air units way too over powered. If you come across good jet/buzzard users, you'll know that it's pretty much impossible to take them down. Even good players have no choice but to jump in passive mode. I enjoy battling but I'm getting pretty tired of the new run away on foot, fight only with a jet routine.

yes lets replace all weapons with pillows im sure that would please you?

[Arrows to Athens]

This is BS. Yes, the explosive cannon is probably OP but it's not a durable jet, a few shots with the heavy sniper and he'll fly away.

This is the problem. As soon as the pilot sees smoke being emitted from his jet he will immediately fly towards the base and parachute out so he can acquire another fresh one. It takes about two minutes or so for the Jet engine to fail so the pilot will have enough time to acquire another one.

[TWOGUN]

 

 

This is BS. Yes, the explosive cannon is probably OP but it's not a durable jet, a few shots with the heavy sniper and he'll fly away.

This is the problem. As soon as the pilot sees smoke being emitted from his jet he will immediately fly towards the base and parachute out so he can acquire another fresh one. It takes about two minutes or so for the Jet engine to fail so the pilot will have enough time to acquire another one.and then just shoot that one. Not much else you can do.

[MrWuggy]

Well to me one of the most satisfying things in the game is forcing a jet to go back to base. Fighter jets are inherently powerful aircraft so it stands to reason that users who are adept at piloting will be able to wreak havoc on a lobby.

I rarely encounter people in jets, and the ones I do eventually end up crashing. A counteraction to the fighter jets would be nice, maybe a surface to air heat seeking missile.

Edited August 31, 2014 by MrWuggy

[Arrows to Athens]

In my very very very capable hands the buzzard is severely Over powered . I rarely have to get within their weapon range to get the kill. It's not easy to do. That's why there is no portable anti air weapon .

Over powered? Have you seen what that thing was capable of in TBOGT? People would just get into that thing and just hold down Square.

[NubcakeVII]

I've never been griefed by a Buzzard. I don't really see how you could. They're not so hard to take down with a Heavy Sniper or Minigun, or even just pelting it with rounds from an assault rifle.

 

Jets, on the other hand, need to be nerfed. It's getting pretty ridiculous. Just take away the explosive rounds, or at least give us a lock-on missile launcher for better defense.

[OwensRacing]

Not so easy but blowing the tail rotor off an enemies Heli is so satisfying. Three weapons I use for this. Heavy Sniper, Mini Gun, and Combat MG. Usually first two. Depends on how stable the pilots is flying.

 

I hope they bring the heavy sniper back up to its regular power. That will make a huge diff. Remove cannons from Lazer. Add cannons to Annihilator aka Shamu.

Edited August 31, 2014 by OwensRacing

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

buzzard is only overpowered in the hands of buzzard masters, that are capable of hovering almost on top of you and from there shoot rockets....now the jet....thats an other thing

i can end up with a better kd ratio when using that thing, and i consider myself a pretty bad pilot

[Alvarez]

 

 

What we need is the Heat-seeker Rocket launcher from S.A.

if there's something better than that , how about airstrike called '' air superiority '' , which calls lazer out of nowhere and destroy any hostile aircraft nearby u This.

This.

This.

 

Then, the Lazer asshole must prove how good a pilot he is, instead of playing Stuka all the time.

BRB, E-mail.

I suggest others do the same.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

What we need is the Heat-seeker Rocket launcher from S.A.

if there's something better than that , how about airstrike called '' air superiority '' , which calls lazer out of nowhere and destroy any hostile aircraft nearby u

This.

This.

This.

 

Then, the Lazer asshole must prove how good a pilot he is, instead of playing Stuka all the time.

BRB, E-mail.

I suggest others do the same.

 

I've noticed after a good jet pilot crashes he's not as good in PvP. Strange. And it's always the rank 200s piloting Jets.

Edited August 31, 2014 by Fearx--

[The Byzantine Empire]

The Laser can be OP, but the Buzzard isn't. Even an MG can take the Buzzard down, it is not well armored. Also the pilot is unprotected.

[SimpleJack_420]

The Buzzard is OP?

Thats what im saying lol. I can easily be killed from my whirlybird.

[SimpleJack_420]

Buzzards are weak in armor, leaves pilots very exposed, has worthless miniguns, and rockets that has no auto aim to ground units (topped by poor free aim). It's not OP. I don't know if your lagging or what, but it needs no nerfs.

 

Now jets could use removal of explosive bullets. A good jet pilot can zoom in, give a quick bust of fire exploding you, pull up and fly off to fast for you to respawn, select a weapon and start firing.

 

I'd rather go with the Annililator to have explosive rounds. At least that things slow and can be destroyed easier, unlike jets.

Everything you said I can agree with, but that first sentence is a total lie my friend (not including the armor thing). Im pretty good with the cannons and a dead eye with the uunguided rockets. My favorite addition to the 1.16 update was the No Homing Missile option they added to my whirlybird. Auto aim is for scrubs just saying. Now I dont have to stop chasing my target in his car because my missiles keep locking onto the cops chasing him. Edited August 31, 2014 by SimpleJack_420

[floof]

 

If the pilot is decent enough there can be no chance to fight back at all, especially from the buzzard.

 

The buzzards rockets can easily shoot further than the minigun, so your only chance if the pilot simply shoots from a distance is a sniper. A good buzzard pilot will just fly over your head and start bobbing forward and backward so they can shoot you from an angle you cannot aim at. Then their is also the co-pilot rocket method where an RPG can be fired at a 90 degree angle and your screwed on ground.

 

If your solution for a Jet is to snipe them out, shut the f*ck up. Iv'e never been sniped out of a jet, and when I have hit the pilot, every time it only took a tiny amount of health off them.

 

 

 

I still don't agree with nerfing though. If your creative you can get away and call in your own buzzard without dying.

Buzzards aren't hard if you're competent.

 

 

As for jets, I sniped a kid out of his jet a week or two ago. Granted, he was using rockets(lol) and flying low, but its very much possible.(and most pilots are sh*t anyway).

 

Jets are only "OP" when you're out in the open or against a damn good pilot.

How are you going to argue with my point about good pilots, then proceeded with an example of your against a bad pilot?

You could never kill a good buzzard pilot from ground because a good one will never give you the chance to even aim at him.

[Living Legend]

These two need massive nerfs. They've made weapons about as powerful as my super soaker, tanks into paper, and left air units way too over powered. If you come across good jet/buzzard users, you'll know that it's pretty much impossible to take them down. Even good players have no choice but to jump in passive mode. I enjoy battling but I'm getting pretty tired of the new run away on foot, fight only with a jet routine.

OP, what is your PSN? I'm pretty good pilot both Jet and Buzzard..Maybe I was spawn killing you.

 

LOL at everyone who says the buzzard is weak and it can be take out easily, well in auto aim maybe. BUT NEVER IN FA.

[iBUCKEYE]

 

 

If the pilot is decent enough there can be no chance to fight back at all, especially from the buzzard.

 

The buzzards rockets can easily shoot further than the minigun, so your only chance if the pilot simply shoots from a distance is a sniper. A good buzzard pilot will just fly over your head and start bobbing forward and backward so they can shoot you from an angle you cannot aim at. Then their is also the co-pilot rocket method where an RPG can be fired at a 90 degree angle and your screwed on ground.

 

If your solution for a Jet is to snipe them out, shut the f*ck up. Iv'e never been sniped out of a jet, and when I have hit the pilot, every time it only took a tiny amount of health off them.

 

I still don't agree with nerfing though. If your creative you can get away and call in your own buzzard without dying.

Buzzards aren't hard if you're competent.

As for jets, I sniped a kid out of his jet a week or two ago. Granted, he was using rockets(lol) and flying low, but its very much possible.(and most pilots are sh*t anyway).

Jets are only "OP" when you're out in the open or against a damn good pilot.

How are you going to argue with my point about good pilots, then proceeded with an example of your against a bad pilot?

You could never kill a good buzzard pilot from ground because a good one will never give you the chance to even aim at him.

Unless you're out in the open and he's got the drop on you....everything is fair game. Don't be a retard on the ground and you have a shot.