9 Year old girl accidentally kills instructor with uzi

[Sean O'God]

 

She was training to use a gun. Guns are created to kill. Mission accomplished.

 

But seriously, I feel sorry for her because she has to live with the fact that she killed someone for the rest of her life. It just goes to show how easy it is to die and how it could happen at any moment. Just take this time to be thankful to be alive.

She was training to use a gun? Did she want to learn how to use a gun? Or did somebody else want her to learn to use a gun?

That´s the real question.

 

Yeah. I doubt a 9-year-old girl would have much interest in learning to use an SMG. It was probably her parents that wanted her to fire the gun. Whoever let her fire that gun is damn irresponsible.

[GunWrath]

 

 

Why the f*ck does a 9-year-old need to know how to fire an uzi anyway? I learned how to shoot when I was 11, but nobody was about to hand me a f*cking submachine gun.

 

 

.. I'm not expert by any means in all forms of weapons but I can handle just about every reasonable firearm out there, why?

Because you're not 9-years-old?

No, because I was properly trained in firearms, safety and maneuvers. People see 9yrs old as infants on this board for some odd reason. At 9yrs old, you can properly shoot a weapon, be aware of it's safety and how to use one if trained correctly. Obviously this girl had no training and even the most common-sense would tell me I should use a ghost method with her hands to ensure she doesn't lose control. Not to mention, I wouldn't have given her a full magazine either.

 

Proper (ghost method):

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Improper:

 

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"Here ya go darlin, now squeeze" .. the guy had no clue what he was doing and safety rules were non-existent here.

 

By the way, the first picture is of a 9yr old competitive shooter.. so yes, even a 9yr old is competent enough to use a firearm.

 

I'm not disputing that you could teach a 9-year-old to fire a weapon--whether or not it's a good idea is a different story--but you sure as f*ck can't expect them to handle an automatic weapon, no matter their supposed skill level.

 

Look at the minors in Africa and all over the world that shoot automatic AK-47's man.. some are younger than 9yrs old. It can be done and has been done. The fact here is.. the girl was NOT an experienced shooter obviously, even with experience she probably would have had a bit of trouble because it's an Uzi without a stock.. that much I will agree with but it doesn't mean because she's 9 that she couldn't handle it if trained right. You can blame the parents 100% if you wish but the instructor should have had the common-sense to be like 'Yeah mom and dad, I just can't allow this' or he could have been a properly trained and intelligent instructor and stood footed with her and his hands on hers to ensure the Uzi didn't lose control.

 

I'm not saying the parents are in the right.. I've already stated that they are partly to blame but sometimes people put their trust in others and mistakes can happen.. doesn't mean they should be crucified for it. Hell, they probably weren't gun nuts either or never shot an automatic themselves.. for f*cks sake, if they were serious shooters, they wouldn't be at a Burgers N Bullets range. That sounds like some duct tape business to me.. but again, people do stupid sh*t and I'm sure they thought the instructor they had that day was going to help her or teach her to shoot an automatic that day. Now they know..

 

I have no problem with a parent wanting their kid to try an automatic, think me crazy if you wish.. but if someone was there to help them shoot it or to assist them properly, it would be fine. That's what I'm getting at here.. the instructor failed. End of story.

 

#gunsliveon.

 

 

lol

 

My logic is poor? Why? Because I'm pro-gun?

No. Because you're pro-stupid.

 

That's cute.

Edited August 28, 2014 by GunWrath

[Payne Killer]

 

 

Just don't let a kid use a fully automatic weapon, i mean look at her little arms, they can't handle that much recoil.

Yup, Hell sometimes a grown man can't even handle the recoil.

 

I remember when i was going though the academy we had to fire all sort of difference weapons to get to know how they work, how to fire them, unload them ect.

 

Some guns have a major recoil-kick the first time i shot a 12-guage it kicked me so hard i almost fell on my ass but the FTO caught me and restabled my balance and showed me a better stance when shooting and it worked.

 

My whole family are firm believers in the right to bare arms.

 

All of the boys in my family were taught how to shoot BB guns as young as 6 and as we got older to where we could go hunting we transitioned to 22. Hunting rifles and even though we asert out right to bare arms in our family we aren't fanatics and we had VERY strict rules about guns.

 

Nobody under 16 was allowed to even look at a gun without an adult present let alone fire it and if we did we lost our gun for a whole year which meant no hunting trips.

 

My uncles were combat vets of Vietnam & Desert Storm and they had semi and full auto weapons but you weren't allowed to fire them until you turned 18 and that wasn't a state law but a family law and it was strictly enforced.

 

I have several guns in my home two handguns one is a service pistol, 12 gauge and a M-16.

 

My eldest daughter knows how to use the 9mm and her hunting rifle and as she gets older i will teach her how to use bigger guns but i won't let her use anything that i don't think she could handle on her own.

 

The blame lays both with the parents and the instructor from my understanding he was by no means an expert and has just opened his gun range when this incident occurred and when you mix guns with an inexperience teacher something is bound to happen and such as this situation someone was bound to eventually get hurt and in this case killed.

 

But the parents hold part of the blame too even if the parents aren't gun "experts" it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a gun like the Uzi on full auto is sometimes too powerful to a grown man and more so for a little petite child and they should have known better.

Should've had her start with a .22 pistol.

[Frank Brown]

I don't think this is an issue that needs regulation. It's a common sense issue. You don't give a 9 year old girl something with that much kick. The parents and instructor are both at fault here.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

My biggest question though is, how on Earth is possible that it is legal for kids to use firearms in a shooting range?

Excuse my ignorance but is it really legal in the US?

If the answer is yes then I don't get it.

Yes it's legal for a child is handle and use lethal weapons such as firearms and bows.

 

As far as i know there are no laws on the books stating what age a person is legally able to fire a gun it's more of less up to the gun range owner/operator to make the rules/age limits.

 

I know the gun ranges around here in my town require kids to be 10-13 years of age and even then they are only allowed to fire small caliber bullets such as .22 but a lot of parents don't take their kids to the gun range they teach them out in a field and teach them how to shoot empty cans off the fence post.

 

Some gun ranges only allow them to fire a child hunting rifle until they are of a certain age to move on to bigger guns and others require the kids to take a gun safety class before they are allowed to fire a gun in their range and they have to start out with small guns like the .22 before they are allowed to move up to the bigger guns even if they are under a certian age such as i mentioned about some gun ranges have age limits on guns other don't and allow the child to move on to the next weapon if they are professiant enough with the starting guns

[make total destroy]

 

Look at the minors in Africa and all over the world that shoot automatic AK-47's man.. some are younger than 9yrs old. It can be done and has been done.

 

Yeah, and I'm sure plenty end up killing themselves and/or other unintended targets. Either way, those are child soldiers forced to fight in wars, not kids with their parents at Burgers N Bullets. We're talking about two radically different situations here.

 

The fact here is.. the girl was NOT an experienced shooter obviously, even with experience she probably would have had a bit of trouble because it's an Uzi without a stock.. that much I will agree with but it doesn't mean because she's 9 that she couldn't handle it if trained right. You can blame the parents 100% if you wish but the instructor should have had the common-sense to be like 'Yeah mom and dad, I just can't allow this' or he could have been a properly trained and intelligent instructor and stood footed with her and his hands on hers to ensure the Uzi didn't lose control.

I can't imagine how experienced any 9-year-old shooter can be, but I doubt any amount of experience can teach a 9-year-old weighing like, 70lbs., how to fire an automatic weapon safely. Any parent who thinks they can just hand their kid an Uzi is irresponsible, at best. If ya wanna teach your kids to shoot, get a .22.

 

I'm not saying the parents are in the right.. I've already stated that they are partly to blame but sometimes people put their trust in others and mistakes can happen.. doesn't mean they should be crucified for it. Hell, they probably weren't gun nuts either or never shot an automatic themselves.. for f*cks sake, if they were serious shooters, they wouldn't be at a Burgers N Bullets range. That sounds like some duct tape business to me.. but again, people do stupid sh*t and I'm sure they thought the instructor they had that day was going to help her or teach her to shoot an automatic that day. Now they know..

Would anyone other than a gun-nut teach their 9-year-old to fire an Uzi?

[SolidSnails]

I know where im going too take my kid on their b-day.

[Danz.]

I don't think this is an issue that needs regulation. It's a common sense issue. You don't give a 9 year old girl something with that much kick. The parents and instructor are both at fault here.

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Isn't it funny how most americans give the exact same excuse that she wasn't ready to use a fully automatic gun, because of the lack of a proper training? A kid or a minor isn't supposed to handle a loaded gun at any moment. What if she had killed the instructor with a .22 pistol? What would you say?

 

"lel what a bunch of newbies. Should've had more training..."

 

No!

 

Kids are supposed to play videogames, do sports, study and do other healthy stuff... not to shoot a f*cking gun.

 

Blame the idiot parents who didn't tell the girl to NOT mess with weapons, the instructor for letting kids shoot guns and, especially, the american culture for being so annoying and ethically aloof.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Danz.

[GunWrath]

 

 

Look at the minors in Africa and all over the world that shoot automatic AK-47's man.. some are younger than 9yrs old. It can be done and has been done.

 

Yeah, and I'm sure plenty end up killing themselves and/or other unintended targets. Either way, those are child soldiers forced to fight in wars, not kids with their parents at Burgers N Bullets. We're talking about two radically different situations here.

What does being forced matter at all? I said that minors are capable of shooting automatics, you disagreed, then I proved you wrong now it's 'Well they were forced'.. That doesn't mean sh*t to what I've said. You're just looking for outs to try and defend your statement. Dude, kids can shoot automatics.. but to shoot them responsible and properly is up to proper training. She was neither trained or had any knowledge of weapons it seems and neither did the instructor, so you can't blame the parents 100% when the instructor had no f*cking clue what he was doing.

[Lelouch The Zero]

I don't wanna live in america anymore, I'm ashamed to even call myself american because half the people here are f*cking stupid.

[GTA36362355]

"Alriiiiight. Alright full automati...."

Edited August 28, 2014 by Mister Kay

[make total destroy]

What does being forced matter at all? I said that minors are capable of shooting automatics, you disagreed, then I proved you wrong now it's 'Well they were forced'.. That doesn't mean sh*t to what I've said. You're just looking for outs to try and defend your statement. Dude, kids can shoot automatics.. but to shoot them responsible and properly is up to proper training. She was neither trained or had any knowledge of weapons it seems and neither did the instructor, so you can't blame the parents 100% when the instructor had no f*cking clue what he was doing.

My point was that you can't compare the two at all, and I'm legitimately concerned with your well-being if you think it's a fair comparison. And like I said, I'm sure child soldiers have a lot of accidents with their weapons.

 

I don't understand why you're getting so worked up, either. Go drink some of your water-beer, and take a few deep breaths.

[Doc Rikowski]

 

My biggest question though is, how on Earth is possible that it is legal for kids to use firearms in a shooting range?

Excuse my ignorance but is it really legal in the US?

If the answer is yes then I don't get it.

Yes it's legal for a child is handle and use lethal weapons such as firearms and bows.

 

As far as i know there are no laws on the books stating what age a person is legally able to fire a gun it's more of less up to the gun range owner/operator to make the rules/age limits.

 

I know the gun ranges around here in my town require kids to be 10-13 years of age and even then they are only allowed to fire small caliber bullets such as .22 but a lot of parents don't take their kids to the gun range they teach them out in a field and teach them how to shoot empty cans off the fence post.

 

Some gun ranges only allow them to fire a child hunting rifle until they are of a certain age to move on to bigger guns and others require the kids to take a gun safety class before they are allowed to fire a gun in their range and they have to start out with small guns like the .22 before they are allowed to move up to the bigger guns even if they are under a certian age such as i mentioned about some gun ranges have age limits on guns other don't and allow the child to move on to the next weapon if they are professiant enough with the starting guns

 

 

Thanks for the answer.

Then I think this should be strictly regulated by law and possibly strictly implemented.

I understand your point of view and even GunWrath's one.

The way guns were used and regulated in your family seemed reasonable and responsible to me given the general US situation and considering that gun culture is traditional in many American families.

But we all know that not all people are reasonable and responsible, like this incident showed us, so maybe some rules concerning age, gun ranges and type of weapons should be created.

Cause I completely agree on the fact a child can be trained to shoot firearms (just as he/she could be trained to drive a truck, which is illegal though) but the mere fact that this can be achieved doesn't necessarily mean the child is safe in a gun range.

There's also the problem with maturity. If we consider children not mature enough to drive, drink or vote till a certain age, then why do we consider them mature enough to handle and fire an automatic weapon?

It's not just the technical aspect, there's also the psychological one.

 

I fired with a lot of weapons in the army and I enjoyed it (it is indeed fun). As a kid I was often playing cops and robbers or cowboys and indians, I had tons of WWII toy soldiers and loved war movies.

If my father told me when I was 9, let's go to fire a real weapon, I would have said hell yeah let's go.

But that's when parenting comes in place. You can't let children get involved in things that are not suitable for their age, their body and their mind.

When I used real weapons I "sensed" the power given by a firearm. It can really seduce in a bad way a young mind.

God knows where I'd be if I had shot real firearms at 9!

 

Probably I'd be like my South African cousin. He's a mercenary.

[161isaiah161]

One problem is why are they teaching a kid to shoot a uzi anyway

[r0eladn]

One problem is why are they teaching a kid to shoot a uzi anyway

 

Before the Germans get there.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

I don't wanna live in america anymore, I'm ashamed to even call myself american because half the people here are f*cking stupid.

Sometimes when people i meet while playing Online and they ask me where i'm from sometimes i think twice about telling them i live in America and i think about telling them i live in Canada

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Again, this is happening in America, which is not a surprise. Full of fat, retarded, mentalist human beings.

 

Since the country is pretty much pro-gun, there should be a law that states people under the age of 16 should not be using guns, let alone buying them or training your children, especially with a mentally handicapped instructor.

[GunWrath]

 

What does being forced matter at all? I said that minors are capable of shooting automatics, you disagreed, then I proved you wrong now it's 'Well they were forced'.. That doesn't mean sh*t to what I've said. You're just looking for outs to try and defend your statement. Dude, kids can shoot automatics.. but to shoot them responsible and properly is up to proper training. She was neither trained or had any knowledge of weapons it seems and neither did the instructor, so you can't blame the parents 100% when the instructor had no f*cking clue what he was doing.

My point was that you can't compare the two at all, and I'm legitimately concerned with your well-being if you think it's a fair comparison. And like I said, I'm sure child soldiers have a lot of accidents with their weapons.

 

I don't understand why you're getting so worked up, either. Go drink some of your water-beer, and take a few deep breaths.

 

You can compare the two, you think that it's an impossible feat for a minor to shoot an automatic, I've shown you an example. Up to you to reject it or accept it man.. but don't be an idiot about it. Forced or not.. it can be done. That's truth. My well-being I'm sure is far better than yours, my friend. You're unemployed, a pot head and some sort of forum troll.. I don't need a lecture from you.

 

Worked up? You've yet to see me worked up man. I love these topics because it brings you leftists and the like in here and I get to have a decent debate and watch how most of you get to throwing out insults rather than debate like human beings. So by all means, keep disagreeing with me when I've shown you fact after fact.. just makes your kind even more hilarious.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Listen GunWrath, you need to understand that not every girl or boy at whatever age will understand how to use any type of gun. In a way you are right that some can even at younger age, but that varies from person to person, not everyone is the same. So stop saying that you can easily train children you utter f*cking tool. Doesn't matter if the instructor is good or not, there's always a risk. Which is why there needs to be a law where once you are 16, you can start going to shooting ranges to learn how to use a weapon. Because the older you get, the more you understand and overall there is less risk.

 

But wait, this is America. Where even the simplest of things can go wrong because the intelligence level is so low in the human beings who live there.

Edited August 28, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt

[make total destroy]

 

You can compare the two, you think that it's an impossible feat for a minor to shoot an automatic, I've shown you an example. Up to you to reject it or accept it man.. but don't be an idiot about it. Forced or not.. it can be done. That's truth. My well-being I'm sure is far better than yours, my friend. You're unemployed, a pot head and some sort of forum troll.. I don't need a lecture from you.

You can compare the two, but it doesn't make the comparison any less laughable. Anyway, I never said it was impossible, I said it was irresponsible. Not to mention unnecessary.

 

Am I lecturing you, or having a discussion?

 

 

Worked up? You've yet to see me worked up man. I love these topics because it brings you leftists and the like in here and I get to have a decent debate and watch how most of you get to throwing out insults rather than debate like human beings. So by all means, keep disagreeing with me when I've shown you fact after fact.. just makes your kind even more hilarious.

 

You literally just insulted me like, twice.

 

I don't even know what you're on about. You must think I wanna take everyone's guns away or some sh*t. (Hint: I don't)

Edited August 28, 2014 by ShootPeopleNotDope

[161isaiah161]

Again, this is happening in America, which is not a surprise. Full of fat, retarded, mentalist human beings.

 

Since the country is pretty much pro-gun, there should be a law that states people under the age of 16 should not be using guns, let alone buying them or training your children, especially with a mentally handicapped instructor.

Exactly giving a under 16 year old (or even most adults) a gun is bad but and this is a sad thing is that the law won't be changed or even put in place due to the fact that there will be a insane amount of backlash and people thinking that not letting a kid have a automatic gun is a violation of there rights

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

That right there is strictly the truth. The best of the best. The people are so f*cking insane in that country, that they won't even let the law make gun control a bit safer for them by increasing the age restriction. What can you do though? It's what happens when all they do is stuff themselves with burrito's and cheese burgers.

[Frank Brown]

 

I don't think this is an issue that needs regulation. It's a common sense issue. You don't give a 9 year old girl something with that much kick. The parents and instructor are both at fault here.

 

Isn't it funny how most americans give the exact same excuse that she wasn't ready to use a fully automatic gun, because of the lack of a proper training? A kid or a minor isn't supposed to handle a loaded gun at any moment. What if she had killed the instructor with a .22 pistol? What would you say?

 

 

She's a 9 year old kid. If she's never fired a gun before/has only fired a few times, starting her off with an automatic weapon and standing right next to her is an idiotic move. It's the parents fault for letting her, and the instructor's for following through with it.

 

 

 

Blame the idiot parents who didn't tell the girl to NOT mess with weapons, the instructor for letting kids shoot guns and, especially, the american culture for being so annoying and ethically aloof.

 

What? Not every parent is stupid enough to start their kid off on an automatic weapon. There is nothing wrong with familiarizing your child with firearms at a young age and with the right supervision.

 

But sure, that's annoying.

[trip]

I'm Amercan and was raised anti-gun (and I still am), but even I was tought basic gun safety and how to shoot when I was like 11 or 12.

 

I just want to know when did a day out with the family change from miniture golf and dinner to unloading a few magazines from a sub machine gun?

 

The US government is so concerned about the health and well-being of its people that it puts restrictions on what you can eat and how big your soda can be. Heck, kids can't smoke, drink, they have to wear helmets when riding bicycles, but I guess the government thinks an 8 year old(the youngest age that range will let you be to handle a sub machine gun) is 'cool' for handeling sub machine guns.

[GunWrath]

I didn't mean to insult you man.. it's that water beer that I drink, please forgive me.

 

Irresponsible to let a minor shoot a weapon? I don't see how it's irresponsible. Sure, it's irresponsible if it's like 'Yo dawg, take this glock my man and go cap dem redz down the street.. if u do dat, den you in cuz' Yeah, that's irresponsible. But because a minor is interested in the sport, in firearms, hunting or just likes guns doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to try them, shoot them or build their lives around them. It isn't up to you to decide nor me. However, if they wish to shoot a weapon, it needs to be under responsible, experienced and safety-guided individuals.. Thankfully, we live in a country where we can let our children shoot guns for fun as long as it's supervised and responsible shooting.

 

There are people that still live outside of normal society in the US that rely on their firearms to have food on the tables.. and their children use firearms. I'm sure they didn't just hand them a gun and go 'Alright bud, good luck, see ya at dark'. You're taught.. unfortunately, this girl wasn't and resulted in this dude dying, by his own faults as well as the parents. But just because she lost control of the gun, killed this dude doesn't mean she isn't capable to ever fire a gun again or learn to use one. It's just one of the those cases of failure to exercise safety and proper training by a supposed instructor.

 

You can blame the parents only if you'd like but I've yet to see any of you that complain against my views that the instructor was in the wrong. All I see is 'OMG, SHE 9, SHE GOT GUN, THAT f*ckED UP.. WORST PARENTS 2014.. BAN GUNZ' .. when I've shown that 9yr olds are totally able to use firearms responsibly. The parents were obviously not aware of the types of safety rules that should be in place, they obviously wasn't aware that at any age, a fully automatic weapon can present a danger to any inexperienced shooter regardless of age and they happened to find out the hard way.

 

You don't f*cking hand an inexperienced shooter anything other than a semi-auto.. even then, you give them a brief on the weapon, it's capabilities and how to properly shoot it or what to expect. If you happen to take the automatic route, you ensure that the shooter is capable of firing the weapon, after a quick assessment, this instructor should have known that this was going to have severe kick back and he should have got behind her and held her hands.. even a common-sense instructor would have f*cking known this.

 

This isn't about the parents at this point.. because there you have it. The instructor violated all safety rules when it comes to firearms the moment he handed over the uzi and just watched.. parents are not at fault. I'm sorry but that's the deal, homies. Even though common sense would have told them 'Hey babe, she's never done this, perhaps we're going too far' but they had an instructor there and they had trust and felt comfortable with it. It's easy to sit here and lay blame on who and what you would have done.. but again, not everyone is going to think or act the way some of us do. People do stupid sh*t.

 

 

@Danz, you're just mad that blitz rejected you.. haha. Go kiss your cousin, you creep.

Edited August 28, 2014 by GunWrath

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blame the idiot parents who didn't tell the girl to NOT mess with weapons, the instructor for letting kids shoot guns and, especially, the american culture for being so annoying and ethically aloof.

 

What? Not every parent is stupid enough to start their kid off on an automatic weapon. There is nothing wrong with familiarizing your child with firearms at a young age and with the right supervision.

 

But sure, that's annoying.

 

Nope. I just said before, that varies from person to person. Not every kid will understand the situation or get used to it easily, and there's more risk in teaching them at a young age, REGARDLESS if they are trained buy a professional or not. Sorry to say, but parents in America that do this ARE thick.

 

What is wrong in teaching them once they reach 16? Because like I said, the older you get, the more you understand things and there will be less risk at that time.

Edited August 28, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt

[Frank Brown]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blame the idiot parents who didn't tell the girl to NOT mess with weapons, the instructor for letting kids shoot guns and, especially, the american culture for being so annoying and ethically aloof.

 

What? Not every parent is stupid enough to start their kid off on an automatic weapon. There is nothing wrong with familiarizing your child with firearms at a young age and with the right supervision.

 

But sure, that's annoying.

 

Nope. I just said before, that varies from person to person. Not every kid will understand the situation or get used to it easily, and there's more risk in teaching them at a young age, REGARDLESS if they are trained buy a professional or not. Sorry to say, but parents in America that do this ARE thick.

 

 

You realize there are exceptions, yes? Obviously, if your child doesn't seem capable of handling a weapon (mental disorder, no arms, etc.), you shouldn't take them out to do that.

 

Again, this is a rare occurrence.

[Danz.]

@Danz, you're just mad that blitz rejected you.. haha. Go kiss your cousin, you creep.

[Flachbau]

America - where you can eat burgers in a restaurant and also go outside to fire a weapon.

 

What imbeciles this girl has for parents. 'Oh, my daughter is only 9 but I'll let her fire a sub-machine gun!!! NOTHING COULD GO WRONG!!!!!!!!"

[make total destroy]

I didn't mean to insult you man.. it's that water beer that I drink, please forgive me.

 

Irresponsible to let a minor shoot a weapon? I don't see how it's irresponsible.

That's not what I said. As I mentioned, I learned how to shoot when I was 11. The thing is, it was with a .22 pistol and .22 hunting rifle. Both were manageable for my age, height, and weight. That's responsible shooting. If you wanna teach your kid to fire an Uzi, give it a few years. There's no practical reason a 9-year-old should be firing an Uzi.

 

No doubt the instructor f*cked up, but so did the parents for thinking this was a good idea.