Why is R* hesitant to add Heist?

[luisniko]

 

 

 

 

 

Heist means bunch of money.

 

No it doesn't.

I'm sure it'll be only slightly higher per minute earnings than the higher contact missions (and *that* will be because cash-cards). Anyone expecting to walk away with millions will be horribly disappointed when it does come out. I'm more interested for the gameplay value.

 

 

Your way of defending Rockstar is ridiculous.... I can't even say anything

 

Jesus... Look at how these people defending Rockstar's obvious mistake. No wonder why game industry start fooling people now. It's because idiots tolerate and support things like this. How pathetic.

 

 

You're getting mad now, aren't you?

 

I am neither an idiot nor tolerant. This is an awesome game - probably the best one I've ever played in my life. When heists are released, whenever that is, it will be a welcome addition to something that I believe doesn't actually need it. That's just my opinion though. I love this game. That doesn't mean I'm suckling the teat of Rockstar. It just means I'm not a blind, self-entitled mong that has no patience and lacks imagination and creativity.

 

 

 

 

No I wasn't getting mad. Much more like you were getting mad. I just had a facepalm to what your kind said and accept the dark future of gaming industry with developers fooling their buyers.

 

Don't worry. Once you grow older, wiser, understand more about value in words, and develop more business mind, you'll understand why this move of Rockstar's isn't right..

Edited August 27, 2014 by luisniko

[strakan7]

 

I was thinking more along the lines of first, they need a hook to really push nex gen sales - whala, specialized content (heists, etc.)

 

and two,

 

360 and PS3 are old tech and the coding is compromised my modding. R* wants to release it to where it won't be modded silly in 10 hours.

Iff they will add Heists to Xbox 360 and PS3 , the game will just explode, you see how lagging the games is now ? all textures just disappear in front of us. So in my opinion Heists will be only on PS4, and XO

 

they would just be abused by our current 'community'. modders, glitchers and griefers would ruin heists before they had a chance to be any good.

[Pedinhuh]

 

 

I was thinking more along the lines of first, they need a hook to really push nex gen sales - whala, specialized content (heists, etc.)

 

and two,

 

360 and PS3 are old tech and the coding is compromised my modding. R* wants to release it to where it won't be modded silly in 10 hours.

Iff they will add Heists to Xbox 360 and PS3 , the game will just explode, you see how lagging the games is now ? all textures just disappear in front of us. So in my opinion Heists will be only on PS4, and XO

 

they would just be abused by our current 'community'. modders, glitchers and griefers would ruin heists before they had a chance to be any good.

 

If they release heists for next-gen consoles only, then they will show their true color: Money, without giving a f*ck about those who were fooled and bought the game thinking they would get what were promised to them, like myself.

I thought the map would change overtime and I thought we would have heists for current-gen as we were promised to, also i don't have money to buy a PS4 or X1 and even if I already had one of these I'm not buying the same game over again.

I R* does that, then it will show us that they went down to EA standards.

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

 

 

Heist means bunch of money.

 

No it doesn't.

I'm sure it'll be only slightly higher per minute earnings than the higher contact missions (and *that* will be because cash-cards). Anyone expecting to walk away with millions will be horribly disappointed when it does come out. I'm more interested for the gameplay value.

 

 

Your way of defending Rockstar is ridiculous.... I can't even say anything

 

Jesus... Look at how these people defending Rockstar's obvious mistake. No wonder why game industry start fooling people now. It's because idiots tolerate and support things like this. How pathetic.

 

 

You're getting mad now, aren't you?

 

I am neither an idiot nor tolerant. This is an awesome game - probably the best one I've ever played in my life. When heists are released, whenever that is, it will be a welcome addition to something that I believe doesn't actually need it. That's just my opinion though. I love this game. That doesn't mean I'm suckling the teat of Rockstar. It just means I'm not a blind, self-entitled mong that has no patience and lacks imagination and creativity.

 

 

 

 

No I wasn't getting mad. Much more like you were getting mad. I just had a facepalm to what your kind said and accept the dark future of gaming industry with developers fooling their buyers.

 

Don't worry. Once you grow older, wiser, understand more about value in words, and develop more business mind, you'll understand why this move of Rockstar's isn't right..

 

Lol - oh okay then. I'll wait till then. Thanks for the advice and good luck with your campaign

[LonerStoner97]

Rockstar are going to add something exclusive to the new gen version, so there saving sh*tty heist for us, while the new gen get loads of exclusives, we will be stuck with heist.

[Munkeyhaus]

I can see the possibility of Heists going exclusively next gen, but it would definitely piss off way too many people. So we all will get them.

 

That being said, you'd be lucky if the payoffs go past the sub 100G range. Most of the coveted toys in the game are still in the shadow of 2 million. So there's no way R* will let us make 1 million per, unless they hold some 48 hr event, once per month or something. Normal Heists will probably be timed events too, maybe once per game day - maybe per week. Gotta do something with those fancy planning rooms, right? They definitely won't be missions you can do constantly every five minutes.

[radd_bro]

They shall come in 2099.

/thread

[MikeNielson616]

Why even add heists? What is the point now? For fun? How many missions to people actually do for "fun"? I find them very boring, but use to do to make money. Now that it has been this long, there is no need to do heists since most of us have everything as it is.

 

If heists actually do come out.....they will just be disappointing. Then again people are happy doing crappy missions with a max of 3 other people....prob the same people who hate and complain about freemode.

 

 

 

 

....the more I think about this game the less I want to play it. At first GTAO was great, then once you learned everything you can't help but feel like they didn't even try. With that said, if heists do come out and the pay out is good.....I will just troll and grief aholes in freemode. Also, killing those people who can't seem to leave the lobby, crying into their mic etc. Can't stand people in game squeaking about others bothering them when they could just leave the dang session...

 

You are everything that is wrong with this game.

[Euphorica]

I believe they had heists ready at one point, then noticed something about the community or how the game works, realized it wouldn't work the way it was intended and began re-working it.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Euphorica

[johnjack84]

Want a logic breakdown?

 

Apparently, they are in paradox. Why?

 

Because...

 

Heist means bunch of money.

 

R* wants players to buy CashCards for money.

 

If Heist is low paying, then it'd be nothing different than doing contact mission and players will definitely just do contact mission instead.

 

If Heist is time locked, Rockstar will be complained for limitation while they were promoting "unlimited possibilities" and showed that players can do Heist anytime they want in the release trailer.

 

If Heist is extremely difficult, that means it clearly showing that Rockstar imbalanced the difficulty because they don't want players to win.

 

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Moral of the story: Money is source of all evil

This.

[Hylskriksen]

Heists are gonna be the big sales feature for ps4/pc/XBone.

1. You buy on ps3 first thinking you will get heists.

2. They release the game again, with heists and you buy the same game once more.

2x payment!

Its ofc money thats the issue/thing here.

[iddqdvie]

right now, payouts are somewhere at 1000$/min

 

a heist is not a single mission, u will need to prepare, and therefore its propably an evening filling thing. so the payouts can be relativly high, maybe they go up to 5k/min. then all they have to do is add 5 new cars instead of one. tada! moneyflow saved.

[CatchMeTrolling]

Because heists is the end game.

[OurJud]

... you see how lagging the games is now ?

 

No, I can't say I do.

[Barrago]

Because they don't have anything else planned. Once they let heists go, there'll be nothing left for a while.

[lilmoonpie]

I still say heists will be next-generation only as a way to try to con us into re-buying the game.

[danowar]

right now, payouts are somewhere at 1000$/min

 

a heist is not a single mission, u will need to prepare, and therefore its propably an evening filling thing. so the payouts can be relativly high, maybe they go up to 5k/min. then all they have to do is add 5 new cars instead of one. tada! moneyflow saved.

How would that work without being solo? What if someone gets kicked from a session, has to shut down the console, etc?

 

That means you wasted a whole evening. Would the alternative be to have each segment of planning done in a session with randoms? That won't work well.

 

I see heists as glorified missions with 5 steps or so. Doing planning and going back to freemode won't work seeing as I often lose players when I invite them to invite-only sessions.

 

Getting ready to do a heist only to have your fellow gamer have to turn off the system to eat dinner or clean their room isn't going to work.

[Munkeyhaus]

Eh, I'll end up with a PC or PS4 copy one day anyway, no con needed. I like the game, Story mode was always the meat and potatoes and Online's a bonus as always.

[Guest]

Rockstar did a pretty good Heist on us already.

I honestly don't even care about the payout of heists, as long as I can actually make a profit from it.

They just need to make it as expansive as they said they would, and just keep on their word.

If they were "still finishing Heists", why would they make a Spring release date when they had less progress done?

All it shows is that Heists are nothing more than a carrot on a string, and when the horse gets wise to the idea, Rockstar gives a little treat in the form of "DLC" in order to keep us running for a little bit longer.

They wanted a major gimmick for Next-Gen, Heists are the perfect thing to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if their next advertisement mentions Heists for XB1/PS4/PC

Edited August 27, 2014 by Vegeto30294

[Munkeyhaus]

And I still say we didn't get Heists earlier because of the hacking and exploits. But I don't doubt the next gen theory either because it was really odd to release the game when they did, when it could have easily waited for the new consoles' release.

[prestonchan]

one thing they have to accept is

free roam is much funnier then ANY OTHER game mode

so why not just add more clothes, cars, weapons so we can use in free mode, instead of sh*tty heist with low pay which wont affect card sales?

[DopeFresh]

heists will come out when next gen comes out. (if rockstar never announced next gen, we would already have heists by now. mark my words.)

[CrazyWeasel]

Here we go again. Another "y no Heist?!" Thread, with latest conspiracy about when heists will be released, followed by a mass quantity of microtransaction and cash card conspiracies. GTA Forums new motto: post your outrageous idiotic theories about how a video game company is "ripping you off" one dollar at a time.

[Zwenkwiel]

Here we go again. Another "y no Heist?!" Thread

 

MODS CHANGE THE THREAD NAME, NAO!

[VCR]

one thing they have to accept is

free roam is much funnier then ANY OTHER game mode

so why not just add more clothes, cars, weapons so we can use in free mode, instead of sh*tty heist with low pay which wont affect card sales?

this is gta, we've got plenty of clothes

[luisniko]

If I own Rockstar, I'd be happy. Why?

 

I advertised GTAO and its overhyped Heist. People throw money to get my GTA. Then later on they found there's no Heist at all and pretty much different than what I advertised. Then, I drag them again with sweet words and empty promises about Heist. And the best thing is: half of my fans are actually supporting me doing that and tolerating me for not delivering the game as advertised! And the best of the best thing is that they always believe everything I say!

 

Can you imagine how happy I would be? I bullsh*t them, I get their money, and people are supporting me to do that. Wow! I'd be able to see paper notes flying everywhere in my house, man!

Edited August 27, 2014 by luisniko

[Roronoa Zoro]

Want a logic breakdown?

 

Apparently, they are in paradox. Why?

 

Because...

 

Heist means bunch of money.

 

R* wants players to buy CashCards for money.

 

If Heist is low paying, then it'd be nothing different than doing contact mission and players will definitely just do contact mission instead.

 

If Heist is time locked, Rockstar will be complained for limitation while they were promoting "unlimited possibilities" and showed that players can do Heist anytime they want in the release trailer.

 

If Heist is extremely difficult, that means it clearly showing that Rockstar imbalanced the difficulty because they don't want players to win.

 

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Moral of the story: Money is source of all evil

You seem very confused, let me help you:

 

Logic: the use and study of valid reasoning.

 

Assume: suppose to be the case, without proof.

 

Touting your assumptions as fact shows you have the mentality of a child. An intelligent adult using logic would never verbalize an assumption as fact so idiotically.

[brose_sfr]

heists will come out when next gen comes out. (if rockstar never announced next gen, we would already have heists by now. mark my words.)

^this is how I feel about the situation.

 

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i remember reading that they wernt going to release GTAV for the next gen. (ps4/xbox1) unless there was a demand for it.

 

a few months later next gen version was announced. it seems to me that they would have to rework heists so they could run them on both current gen & next. i doubt R* is as greedy as some like to think. I'm sure their intentions are to make money, but there's no way delays are because of cash cards. it's almost been a year since the release. relying on cash cards sounds like something a dying company would do to make a few dollars before they go under.

 

i bought this game because I'm a GTA fan. I don't care about Heist & probably never will.

 

maybe the delay is based in the connection issues? I almost never lose connection, but some day a few Finnish friends of mine can barely stay online for more than 10 minutes.

 

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please stop acting like the heist "promise" is the first time you've been let down. life is a lot harder then a missions game mode you've never played.

 

deal with your disappointment & move on (quickly)

 

you're only upsetting yourself.

[BrokenLizard]

if you don't see R*s shark card ploy, you must be blind. it's surely not as bad as people say, but it is pushed pretty hard.

I can see why R* might have held back heists a couple months, they would get exploited pretty bad. But to PROMISE their release months ago, and now for them to just shut up about it and not expect people to backlash, that's not the way to be doing things...especially with their high reputation above all these other developers they poke fun at.

Edited August 27, 2014 by BrokenLizard

[sultangris]

they wont run correctly on the slow outdated ps3, youll get them on the ps4 and pc version.