Taste in older things

[Mister Pink]

 

Rollerblading, skateboarding, skydiving, videogaming, cheap travel > Poking a dead animal with a stick/chasing pigeons/throwing stones at your friends balls/running around like a maniac

 

 

Tell you what I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square next Saturday, you bring some stones and a stick, and I'll bring along the decomposing cat. If you don't have the time of your life, I'll buy you a rollerblade. Now you can't say fairer than that.

 

Just bring along a spare pair of socks, because your other pair will be blown right off.

 

 

Hahaha!

[ArcadeWilliamz]

I think 80s music sounds a lot better than modern day.

[MarshalMoo]

Older eggs peel easier after being boiled, but you risk eating a rotten egg!

[Kampioen]

No need to explain yourself, ddyoung, I'd fight alongside with ya. I had two relatives that fought in WWII and since I was a kid I always wished of going back in time to fight alongside them or in the war in general. Though I think I'd skip past the beach invasions.. yeah, no thanks. I'd probably be the first one to die, drowned by my own gear.

 

On a serious note, I'm more a fan of old advertising, posters, signs, things of that nature. To this day, I think they stand out better than most signs and advertising we have now. I also love 50's style deco.. like in soda bars and food joints.

 

 

 

 

 

Especially considering in those days, people actually believed what advertising had to say, some still believe it today.

 

I can't believe what I'm reading. To be fascinated by a WW2 is one thing, I am fascinated by it too. I've done a tour of Normandy where I visited Point du Hoc and many other WW2 sites. But to actually want to physically experience it, that's a whole other thing. If you would have said you would like to watch it as like an invincible eye in the sky, sure, I would have agreed, that would be very interesting. But to actually want to experience and participate in the horrors of war first hand for fun, that's kinda sick to me.

 

I've also been quite fascinated by WWII and to a certain degree I still am.

Love movies about WWII and as ddyoung said I'm very much interested in the thought of how I would have coped with the whole thing being just a regular guy.

At the same time I usually wonder if I wouldn't be the guy that gets a bullet in the head in the very first day on the front.

The randomness of death during the war is what would make me think twice before doing such step back in the past.

Cause making it through was really just a matter of luck, fate or accident and that's not a very amusing idea.

 

Gun, old design and advertising stands out cause back then you needed to be very skilful and talented to be in the business.

There were no computers which meant that only selected artists could aspire to the job.

Today you still need to be skilful and talented to work at the top level but computers allowed a lot of untalented people to produce design and advertising that are out there polluting cities.

 

Never mind about a shot in the head, that's nothing compared to what could happen. You could have your legs blown off, you could get your balls shot off, you could get shot in the stomach, you could end up blind and/or deaf, you could end up getting horribly burned and you could (and would) see this stuff happening to other people. I really don't see what would be fun about it.

[Shyabang Shyabang]

You can thank certain WWII themed movies that make war look awesome.

[Fuzzknuckles]

Modern, contemporary, mainstream media, 99% of the time, is rubbish. Old stuff had heart, and, more importantly, wasn't subject to the scrutiny of the fickle internet. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is the beginning of the downfall of society. And yet here I am, on the internet.

[Mr. Scratch]

You can thank certain WWII themed movies that make war look awesome.

I blame Tarantino, always, for anything.

[Abel.]

 

No need to explain yourself, ddyoung, I'd fight alongside with ya. I had two relatives that fought in WWII and since I was a kid I always wished of going back in time to fight alongside them or in the war in general. Though I think I'd skip past the beach invasions.. yeah, no thanks. I'd probably be the first one to die, drowned by my own gear.

 

On a serious note, I'm more a fan of old advertising, posters, signs, things of that nature. To this day, I think they stand out better than most signs and advertising we have now. I also love 50's style deco.. like in soda bars and food joints.

 

 

 

 

 

Especially considering in those days, people actually believed what advertising had to say, some still believe it today.

 

I can't believe what I'm reading. To be fascinated by a WW2 is one thing, I am fascinated by it too. I've done a tour of Normandy where I visited Point du Hoc and many other WW2 sites. But to actually want to physically experience it, that's a whole other thing. If you would have said you would like to watch it as like an invincible eye in the sky, sure, I would have agreed, that would be very interesting. But to actually want to experience and participate in the horrors of war first hand for fun, that's kinda sick to me.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with "fun".

Ddyoung and GW are humbled by the sacrifices that WWII veterans have made and, thus, would've been honoured to serve alongside them had they been alive and of combat age during the war. I share their sentiments and lament the fact that I've let down the countries that I hold dear today.

War is horrid for all involved, make no mistake, but it comes naturally to many people to yearn to fight for their country.

Mr Killa: No need to bite Palikari's head off for expressing his opinion.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Failure

[Doc Rikowski]

Never mind about a shot in the head, that's nothing compared to what could happen. You could have your legs blown off, you could get your balls shot off, you could get shot in the stomach, you could end up blind and/or deaf, you could end up getting horribly burned and you could (and would) see this stuff happening to other people. I really don't see what would be fun about it.

A lot of bad things could happen to you even today. Accidental death, sickness and injury can happen to you in any moment no matter where you live and what you do.

Life is dangerous but you still live it and hope for the best. We control nothing in our existence.

People back then just lived their life with the given circumstances and I doubt they were constantly thinking about all of the above that you mentioned.

Anyway war ain't fun but it will always fascinate the human being to the point of actually participating in it.

 

Btw Shya, "Saving Private Ryan" didn't make war look awesome. Actually the opposite.

[ddyoung]

 

 

 

Honestly, I would have loved to have been an adult during the 40s. Call me crazy, but I've always wanted to go back in time and be a soldier during WWII in Europe. It has just always fascinated me, how ordinary people did such extraordinary things. And then there was the 1966 Mustang

 

Talk about sugarcoating the past, lol.

 

How am I sugarcoating it? I know that the war was brutal, deadly, and destructive. I know what I would have to go through if that ever happened.

 

 

Yet you still want to experience it first-hand?

 

Yes, call me cynical.

[Kampioen]

It has nothing to do with "fun".

 

Ddyoung and GW are humbled by the sacrifices that WWII veterans have made and, thus, would've been honoured to serve alongside them had they been alive and of combat age during the war. I share their sentiments and lament the fact that I've let down the countries that I hold dear today.

War is horrid for all involved, make no mistake, but it comes naturally to many people to yearn to fight for their country.

Mr Killa: No need to bite Palikari's head off for expressing his opinion.

 

 

Well, if you have a good moral compass then you should be above that. It may come naturally to some to want to fight for their country, but people with good morality would prefer not to fight at all.

 

A lot of bad things could happen to you even today. Accidental death, sickness and injury can happen to you in any moment no matter where you live and what you do.

Life is dangerous but you still live it and hope for the best. We control nothing in our existence.

People back then just lived their life with the given circumstances and I doubt they were constantly thinking about all of the above that you mentioned.

Anyway war ain't fun but it will always fascinate the human being to the point of actually participating in it.

 

Btw Shya, "Saving Private Ryan" didn't make war look awesome. Actually the opposite.

 

 

Are you seriously comparing the dangers of daily life to the dangers of fighting in WW2? Please. Just because you could get injured in daily life doesn't mean it makes sense to willingly put yourself in a situation where it is thousands of times more likely, just because it fascinates you.

 

It sounds to me like you guys are disappointed that there's not a good war to fight in today. That's a pretty disturbing way of thinking. By the way, the soldiers in WW2 didn't fight out of a fascination with war, they fought because they felt it was necessary. I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in it.

 

And Saving Private Ryan does make war look awesome. At least a lot more awesome than it really is. Go find some pictures and videos of real war on the internet and tell me that it looks the same. It is absolutely disgusting and Saving Private Ryan uses many of the same Hollywood techniques of glorifying war that the cheap action movies use. Only the beach scene was stomach-wrenching enough to give a decent portrayal of real war.

 

Yes, call me cynical.

 

To be completely honest, I would rather call it psychopathic.

Edited August 20, 2014 by CenMan

[Special Members]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr Killa: No need to bite Palikari's head off for expressing his opinion.

Well, he did claim nonsense like "all young people today are idiots" even when he hasn't met 1% of young people in the western world, and "all music today sucks", even though I'm pretty sure he has only listened to about 0,001 % of todays music. He claimed things as truths. He didn't just "express his opinion". Edited August 20, 2014 by Mr.Killa

[Abel.]

I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in .

You misunderstand me. I don't have some morbid fascination with war and completely understand that soldiers in WWII overwhelmingly fought out of duty/necessity and not out of any 'interest' in war. I'm just trying to say that I respect the grave sacrifices made by allied soldiers and would've been honoured to serve alongside them had I been alive and of combat age during the war. This has nothing to do with any sort of macabre, misguided desire to fight and kill (ideally there would be no war).

 

 

Killa: I understand that he stated his opinions as absolute truths, but he later asked for suggestions about modern music so it's not as though he's completely resistant to the views of others on matters of modernity. He doesn't honestly believe that all modern kids are idiots either.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Failure

[Kampioen]

 

I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in .

You misunderstand me. I don't have some morbid fascination with war and completely understand that soldiers in WWII overwhelmingly fought out of duty/necessity and not out of any 'interest' in war. I'm just trying to say that I respect the grave sacrifices made by allied soldiers and would've been honoured to serve alongside them had I been alive and of combat age during the war. This has nothing to do with any sort of macabre, misguided desire to fight and kill (ideally there would be no war).

 

 

Oh alright, that seems reasonable. If I lived during that time I like to think I would have been in the resistance (I'm Dutch). Of course I have no idea if I actually would, maybe I would be too scared. Although I did sense some desire to fight in a war from the other two posters.

[Abel.]

 

 

I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in .

You misunderstand me. I don't have some morbid fascination with war and completely understand that soldiers in WWII overwhelmingly fought out of duty/necessity and not out of any 'interest' in war. I'm just trying to say that I respect the grave sacrifices made by allied soldiers and would've been honoured to serve alongside them had I been alive and of combat age during the war. This has nothing to do with any sort of macabre, misguided desire to fight and kill (ideally there would be no war).

 

 

Oh alright, that seems reasonable. If I lived during that time I like to think I would have been in the resistance (I'm Dutch). Of course I have no idea if I actually would, maybe I would be too scared. Although I did sense some desire to fight in a war from the other two posters.

 

 

I don't think they meant anything inflammatory by what they were saying--naturally I can't speak for either ddyoung or GW, but all I got from their posts is a reverence for service personnel and that they'd be proud to fight alongside the allies in WWII if they were of combat age in the 1940s.

 

 

Though I like to think I'd be eager to sign up and aid the allies if I were a young man in Britain circa 1939, I admire your humility in admitting that you'd be scared to fight. However, you'd be surprised at the amount of courage a person can muster in a desperate time--I'm sure you would've aided the Dutch resistance in some capacity. Also, to bring a bit of light into what is a rather dark discussion, Audrey Hepburn was a valuable member of the Dutch resistance:

 

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/04/wwii-files-audrey-hepburn-and-the-dutch-resistance/

Edited August 20, 2014 by Failure

[Kampioen]

 

 

 

I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in .

You misunderstand me. I don't have some morbid fascination with war and completely understand that soldiers in WWII overwhelmingly fought out of duty/necessity and not out of any 'interest' in war. I'm just trying to say that I respect the grave sacrifices made by allied soldiers and would've been honoured to serve alongside them had I been alive and of combat age during the war. This has nothing to do with any sort of macabre, misguided desire to fight and kill (ideally there would be no war).

 

 

Oh alright, that seems reasonable. If I lived during that time I like to think I would have been in the resistance (I'm Dutch). Of course I have no idea if I actually would, maybe I would be too scared. Although I did sense some desire to fight in a war from the other two posters.

 

 

I don't think they meant anything inflammatory by what they were saying--naturally I can't speak for either ddyoung or GW, but all I got from their posts is a reverence for service personnel and that they'd be proud to fight alongside the allies in WWII if they were of combat age in the 1940s.

 

 

Though I like to think I'd be eager to sign up and aid the allies if I were a young man in Britain circa 1939, I admire your humility in admitting that you'd be scared to fight. However, you'd be surprised at the amount of courage a person can muster in a desperate time--I'm sure you would've aided the Dutch resistance in some capacity. Also, to bring a bit of light into what is a rather dark discussion, Audrey Hepburn was a valuable member of the Dutch resistance:

 

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/04/wwii-files-audrey-hepburn-and-the-dutch-resistance/

 

 

I think I probably wouldn't be too scared. I don't think I have a great fear of death anyway, what I meant was that you never know what it's like when you actually have to face that decision and it's not just hypothetical. I think it would sort of speak for itself that I would fight if my country was occupied by another country. But then again, none of my family members did so maybe it's not so obvious. My family isn't Jewish so they weren't in very serious danger, they were just very poor.

[gtamann123]

I have been thinking a lot about the past lately and fantasizing on how cool it would be to live back in a time where an honest blue collared man with a good unionized job could do very well for himself.

 

He Could:

 

Drive This:

 

 

Instead Of This:

 

 

Live Here:

 

 

Instead Of Here:

 

 

Eat This:

 

 

Instead Of This:

 

 

Plus have this left over in his savings account:

 

As Opposed to this:

 

Do This when he gets to old age:

 

 

Instead of this:

Edited August 20, 2014 by gtamann123

[Mr. Scratch]

Yeah...try and say the same thing about Eastern Europe.

[gtamann123]

My post is more of a reflection on the golden days of the American middle class (Late 50s-mid 70s)

Edited August 20, 2014 by gtamann123

[LanaDelRey888]

I won't lie and say I'm a 80's kid, as I was born late and basically grew in the 90's. Good music only lasted till the late 90's. You do get good music occasionally these days, but still, they're very rare.

I know I cherished everything the 90s had to offer because =

 

* As a kid, a dollar was big. $5 made me rich!

* Appreciated girls who wore a lot of denim.

* Everything was cheaper.

* Listened to music from Walkmans before iPods.

* Played Playstation before Xbox.

* Played Pokemon on GB & collected cards.

* Witnessed the young & innocent days of Britney.

* F355, Diablo, 993 Turbo - sound familiar?

* We still had freedom, no 'police state' of today

* We had less reality show garbage that only focused on ratings and not quality

[LanaDelRey888]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, I would have loved to have been an adult during the 40s. Call me crazy, but I've always wanted to go back in time and be a soldier during WWII in Europe. It has just always fascinated me, how ordinary people did such extraordinary things. And then there was the 1966 Mustang

Talk about sugarcoating the past, lol.

 

How am I sugarcoating it? I know that the war was brutal, deadly, and destructive. I know what I would have to go through if that ever happened.

 

Yet you still want to experience it first-hand?

 

Yes, call me cynical.Can't blame you - I blame video games, books, documentaries for your, and many other eager volunteers', mentalities.

 

'Anyone, who truly wants to go to war, truly has never been there before!' - Larry Reeves

 

Edit - Don't get me wrong, not quashing your opinions, I'm just pointing the severity of something you just said you wanted to be involved in. A lot of my colleages and two of my cousins have been in either Iraq / Afg and it doesn't take much to realise the toll it takes on both sides of the war.

Edited August 21, 2014 by LanaDelRey888

[Danz.]

 

 

Instead Of This:

 

 

Hey, but these cars are cool as sh*t! I've never seen either of them here in Brazil.

 

 

...Am I the only one who thinks like that?

Edited August 21, 2014 by Danz.

[Kampioen]

Probably, lol. I drive something like that just because it's cheap, would much rather have a sedan.

[LightningLord]

While I'm pretty satisfied with me being where I am now, sometimes I do prefer things from back then. Like how cars on the road had variety. Now 80% of traffic is SUV's. Food was more affordable. (A few cents back then for a burger and now it's $5 to $10) and a few other things.

[Doc Rikowski]

Are you seriously comparing the dangers of daily life to the dangers of fighting in WW2? Please. Just because you could get injured in daily life doesn't mean it makes sense to willingly put yourself in a situation where it is thousands of times more likely, just because it fascinates you.

 

It sounds to me like you guys are disappointed that there's not a good war to fight in today. That's a pretty disturbing way of thinking. By the way, the soldiers in WW2 didn't fight out of a fascination with war, they fought because they felt it was necessary. I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in it.

 

And Saving Private Ryan does make war look awesome. At least a lot more awesome than it really is. Go find some pictures and videos of real war on the internet and tell me that it looks the same. It is absolutely disgusting and Saving Private Ryan uses many of the same Hollywood techniques of glorifying war that the cheap action movies use. Only the beach scene was stomach-wrenching enough to give a decent portrayal of real war.

I wasn't comparing the odds, I was just saying life is unpredictable no matter which the circumstances are.

 

I wasn't even saying I'd like to put myself in a war situation. I was just saying I would probably be in the war if I was alive back then.

People fought back then but if you were against violence or war you could have still chosen not to fight it and face the consequences.

It is always a "voluntary" act to participate in a war.

The fascination I meant is the fascination and the rhetoric that human societies apply to war.

Even today personal or collective fascination and rhetoric are part of the war effort.

 

Many WWII veterans considered the beach opening scene of SPR (a pretty long introduction to the story itself) as a very faithful depiction of war and its horrors.

I watched it on the big screen and it was pretty shocking and unlike any other war movie I had seen before in my life.

It gave me a lot to think and it showed me war is basically the peak of human insanity.

The movie is a quite clear example of the horrors of war and of the senselessness of some orders and missions.

What the film glorifies is comradeship. Which is a real thing in war and basically the best part of being part of an army at war or in peace time.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Doc Rikowski

[LanaDelRey888]

There is no 'good side' in any war. Both sides are evil for constructing mass death and destruction among each other. It's just that some are either less barbaric or sadist, but that don't make them angels either.

 

The side that wins in a war will have it's own share of atrocities kept in a box, and what was done by their opponents will be fully exposed in justifying the 'winners' decision in participating in the war, and their actions taken.

 

Like I said, I have many friends and family in the military, and I myself thought of that as a career path. I have strong patriotism, but I don't buy into war.

[Kampioen]

 

Are you seriously comparing the dangers of daily life to the dangers of fighting in WW2? Please. Just because you could get injured in daily life doesn't mean it makes sense to willingly put yourself in a situation where it is thousands of times more likely, just because it fascinates you.

 

It sounds to me like you guys are disappointed that there's not a good war to fight in today. That's a pretty disturbing way of thinking. By the way, the soldiers in WW2 didn't fight out of a fascination with war, they fought because they felt it was necessary. I think many of them would disagree with you that a fascination with it is a good enough reason to want to participate in it.

 

And Saving Private Ryan does make war look awesome. At least a lot more awesome than it really is. Go find some pictures and videos of real war on the internet and tell me that it looks the same. It is absolutely disgusting and Saving Private Ryan uses many of the same Hollywood techniques of glorifying war that the cheap action movies use. Only the beach scene was stomach-wrenching enough to give a decent portrayal of real war.

I wasn't comparing the odds, I was just saying life is unpredictable no matter which the circumstances are.

 

I wasn't even saying I'd like to put myself in a war situation. I was just saying I would probably be in the war if I was alive back then.

People fought back then but if you were against violence or war you could have still chosen not to fight it and face the consequences.

It is always a "voluntary" act to participate in a war.

The fascination I meant is the fascination and the rhetoric that human societies apply to war.

Even today personal or collective fascination and rhetoric are part of the war effort.

 

Many WWII veterans considered the beach opening scene of SPR (a pretty long introduction to the story itself) as a very faithful depiction of war and its horrors.

I watched it on the big screen and it was pretty shocking and unlike any other war movie I had seen before in my life.

It gave me a lot to think and it showed me war is basically the peak of human insanity.

The movie is a quite clear example of the horrors of war and of the senselessness of some orders and missions.

What the film glorifies is comradeship. Which is a real thing in war and basically the best part of being part of an army at war or in peace time.

 

 

That sounds a lot more logical.

 

But I don't think Saving Private Ryan was really that realistic in portraying war. Yes, the beach scene was an accurate portrayal. It was brilliantly done and it really gave a very good sense of what those landings must have looked like. But the movie is essentialy an action movie. You see the fighting, but you don't see the real brutalities. If I remember correctly, there were hardly any civilians in that movie. No people being brutalized or executed, no dead children in the streets. There was also hardly any backstory to the lives of those who fought. Sure there was some, to tie it together, but you never really got a sense of the real human consequences of war. Just the usual delivering of the letter if I remember correctly, and the old man going back to the graveyard in Normandy. (I've been at that location by the way, very impressive.) Also, didn't Tom Hanks disable a tank with his pistol at the end when he was sitting up injured against the wall?

 

Of course, this was the intent of the movie so it doesn't make it a bad movie. It needs to be viewable to an audience without them feeling too uncomfortable. They need to be uncomfortable to a degree, but not on the level of witnessing actual war in all its facets.

Edited August 23, 2014 by CenMan

[Doc Rikowski]

I agree. It's not a perfect movie in that sense cause it focuses mainly on the military point of view but I think there are plenty of movies that also focus on the civilian side. Maybe not made in Hollywood.

[Kampioen]

I agree. It's not a perfect movie in that sense cause it focuses mainly on the military point of view but I think there are plenty of movies that also focus on the civilian side. Maybe not made in Hollywood.

 

Definately. People should watch them more.

[Naughtius Maximus]

I think that would be better for me, at least, if I'd spend my youth during 90's. I was born in mid 90's, so me and my kind were actually stuck on the edge during which the culture was going to a much more bigger change, also the whole childhood fun was moving through on the cyber platform while playing on the street was slowly fading. Now, I'm a youngster and when you think about it, actually there is no much to take fun from. That's why I would like to be a 90's young, most probably. As a matter of fact, most of our generation fallen to that "edge" I talked about, and have spent their dozens of time in front of computer... for nothing. Sure, we took fun by playing Knight Online together, but what after all this?.. I consider all of the time I spent in front of computer as waste. Although I wasn't hopped up on PC too much, I still think that I've throwed some time from my life for nothing. That's the interesting enigma of the 90's born, especially the ones born during mid 90's or late 90's.

 

Like I said, I'd probably like to be a youngster during 90's, I'd consider my time to be wasted on fun and not for nothing. The whole culture built prior to 2000's didn't screamed for selling people "swag", they screamed quality, IMO. I've always like cult films much more than the garbage sh*ts produced for money. I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino (especially his Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction), Martin Scorsese and actors such as Michael Madsen, Harvey Keitel. I've heard of how some people idolized Mr.Blonde when Reservoir Dogs became a successful hit. Although it's a bit annoying, and would probably make Kurt Cobain teen sh*t, most of our brothers were gathering in front of TV, watching the clip of "Lithium" by Nirvana everyday after coming back from schools, wearing like Kurdt. I think these are worth it when you think about today's sh*tty idols. My taste of music was generally prone to older times. I'm a big fan of Rock & Metal genre... I really like Mötley Crüe, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, Dio, Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, AC/DC. Also I like Punk Rock a bit... The Clash, Ramones, Sex Pistols... Most of them (even all of them) were formed prior to 90's, but they were honorably mentioned during that period. At the same time, I once have listened hip-hop too much, but I am not listening it now at that frequency. 2 Pac, Biggie, Cypress Hill, N.W.A... the rap was gold, totally reflecting lifestyle sort of compared to today's sh*t which is all about "My ex had a huge booty... but no matter remember I hit it first.", "Rolling on my fancy wheels with meh homies.", "I be a rich-ass playboy. Partyin' and f*ckin' b*tches all the time. But I be proud of it."

 

To be honest, I don't like the youth I live too much. Besides personal issues, I think culture is a quite important factor as well. Our teenhood was covered with computers and MMO games which maybe offered us some good time, but not quality time of course. At least, our childhood was a bit decent, but it's quite tragedic when you think about the quick change afterwards. And our next generations' situations are much more worse I think... they're all covered with being bigoted wannabes who are blindly hopped up on wacky culture features: sh*tty music, senseless movies, screwed up political views just for they're being popular Like I said, I don't want to qo back too much, but I'd like to be young during 90's... thanks God, I'm not amongst the next and worse generations, but I still believe we couldn't waste our precious time on quality things too much... that's why.

Edited August 24, 2014 by TheUnholy